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05-18-12, 2:11 AM
Anime Relations: Boku no Pico, Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2, Steins;Gate
MAL is a fantastic site, an incredibly useful tool for cataloging anime and for its database features. There's other sites that offer a few of the same tools, but none of these are as efficient, elaborate, and easy to use as MAL. Probably what sets MAL apart from most other database and anime sites is not necessarily the quality of the site and the ease of use, but rather the focus on the community, something that is full of issues and problems to the point where sometimes, even browsing the site becomes a headache in itself.

But why?

There's a lot of reasons for why. Some of these reasons are glaring and obvious to anybody who has their eyes open and some of these will most likely cause reactions to reach critical butthurt levels.

Chances are, if this blog post makes you upset then you are a part of the problem.

Now, let's get going.

One of the largest and most inherent problems with MAL is with the rating system. The fact that most people are incapable of using a proper rating scale and think that every popular anime that they watched is a perfect 10/10. Case in point, Code Geass. An awful, terrible anime full of so many issues and problems that anybody with taste would be plenty able to point out why it is shit. Ironically, on MAL it has holds its position at #9 on the ratings with a 8.99 average. This is not due to the quality of the anime, but rather because it's easily accessible to children and people who are just getting into anime. It's a show that appeals to the casual and entry level audience, and because they don't have much exposure or experience with the anime medium and are incapable of recognizing cliches, tropes and bad (read: awful) writing, it gets rated extremely high by the vast majority of the people watching it. There is a huge problem here and it skews the ratings to the point where top ratings become useless.

Code Geass isn't the only example either, and anime like Steins;Gate, Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, Death Note, AnoHana, and Kara no Kyoukai can easily fill the description that I just provided to varying extents. I wouldn't go as far as to say these anime are bad like Code Geass, but they are definitely accessible to newcomers and are rated highly for that same reason.





It's not only the very top of the ratings that is the issue, but the ratings themselves are terrible. Due to score inflation and a prevalent case of bad taste, mediocre anime is rated up highly while the more overlooked titles are generally given low ratings and passed on by people for that reason. For example, Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade. Why the heck does this only have a 7.84 rating when it's one of the best anime movies out there? Why does Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence only have a 7.96? Why does Texhnolyze have a 7.79 and Manabi Straight a 7.57? Contrast this with titles like Code Geass R2 at a 8.99, Steins;Gate at a 9.16, or AnoHana at 8.74 and it becomes very sad.

What the hell, MAL.

But it's not just bad taste, it's that people don't know how to use the rating scale.

No, a 8/10 is not "average" and a 7/10 is not "mediocre". That's not how a 10-point rating scale works and you should use it properly. I personally operate with a rating scale that has 5.60 as my mean rating, which is quite low but it's acceptable due to the masses of mediocre anime that I have seen. A 5/10 means that something is mediocre, a pass, but not necessarily bad. It can still be enjoyed at this rating. The very top section of the list, the 9s and 10s, should only be awarded to anime that truly amazed and stunned you, something that you can admit to liking without shame and enjoy again and again. It should be awarded to the top 5% of the anime you have seen, give or take, but not half of your list. Especially when you have seen a low number of titles, you aren't qualified to make the judgement on whether something truly is a masterpiece or not.

Personally I believe the best way to rate your anime is by conflating objective quality with personal enjoyment. Depending on your own rating criteria, you might choose only to rate based on one of these which is acceptable too, though some basic standards should still be enforced if you choose only to rate from enjoyment.





You also have the chuckling mongoloids who review anime after 1-3 episodes have been released of something currently airing, which is absolutely pointless and retarded as you can't pass proper judgement on an anime, much less review it, when only a couple episodes have aired. Everybody that does this is a moron and I encourage people to vote down all of those reviews that they see. I'm sure that most of them end up just doing it so that they can have the first or the second review and end up getting hits to their profile or something as a result of it.

In essence, it is attention-whoring at its finest.

There's more inherent problems than this, though. By and large, most of the people that make up the community are children with a tiny amount of anime watched that tend to obfuscate any intelligent material on the forums with their idiocy and narrow-minded opinions. They prevent any intelligent discussion or arguments from taking place because they take any opposing and conflicting opinions as something horrible and insulting. It's almost hilarious how defensive some people get.

It would be hard pointing out how many times I've seen people hate on or liking something just because they see other people doing it, simply because they want to fit in with the herd and follow along with the sheep mentality. These same people will almost exclusively watch current anime just so they can post in relevant threads and be "in" with the current anime scene, while concurrently dismissing any anime that's older simply because it's not pretty and HD. You are cutting yourself off from a lot of great anime by doing this and you should be smacked for it.

Goddamn, stop that.

Also, an anime is not bad just because it has cute girls in it. No, you horrendous troglodyte. Slice of life anime is wide and varied and encompasses a lot of different styles and shows and is more than just K-ON and Hidamari Sketch. Though, those two anime are not bad in any way either just because they lack death and gore and complex themes. This is not what defines a good anime and by following that mindset you come across as an ignorant kid that is talking out of his ass (or her ass, sorry ladies).

Seriously, get out with your gore and pseudo-psychological babble. Elfen Lied is a bigger pile of shit than almost anything out there.

That's probably it for what I can currently be assed to type about.

I love you MAL, but seriously, you have some major problems. Get that worked out, son. There's lots of great people on here too, often with good taste and intelligent opinions, but unfortunately this blog describes and details the vast majority of the website. It could probably extend into other anime sites and the anime community in general, which is a bit of a sad state for things.

Remember, guys, always trust in Veronin-sempai.



Disclaimer: Ranting and holding a negative and likely disagreeable opinion does not by default equate to trolling. I believe everything that is typed here, even though I am a jackass about it.
Posted by Veronin | 05-18-12, 2:11 AM | 56 comments
Fourteenthangel | 05-10-13, 5:11 PM
>Problems with the MAL community.
Wow, this whole "article" was a perfect example of what's wrong with MAL community:
-Everybody must comply to your rating standards or they have "bad taste", are "stupid", "horrendous troglodyte" or "imbeciles".
-You must hate all popular series because they are popular and you must show the world you are "able to rise above the hype"
-You of course, never even think about the possibility of people rating the series SOLELY on their "enjoyment" level, because of course, "objective quality" not only exist, it's the same for everybody. Of course, when people like you speak of "objective quality", what they mean is "my subjective opinion".
Read more at http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=704781#ViuLc7qSwdXUPSx2.99

You sir have just won the internet!
 
Fourteenthangel | 05-10-13, 5:07 PM
I can argue that Code Geass has it flaws but I wouldn't go as far as to say it is complete shit.
 
Shrabster | 05-04-13, 6:55 AM
I find this agreeable but it's an incurable problem since being a plebeian isn't punishable by death, unfortunately.
 
Amble | 04-14-13, 12:43 PM
>A K-ON fanboy complaining about Code Geass being overrated? Makes sense.

 
sushiisawesome | 03-27-13, 5:11 AM
A K-ON fanboy complaining about Code Geass being overrated? Makes sense.
 
NFH | 03-25-13, 9:37 AM
>Problems with the MAL community.
Wow, this whole "article" was a perfect example of what's wrong with MAL community:
-Everybody must comply to your rating standards or they have "bad taste", are "stupid", "horrendous troglodyte" or "imbeciles".
-You must hate all popular series because they are popular and you must show the world you are "able to rise above the hype"
-You of course, never even think about the possibility of people rating the series SOLELY on their "enjoyment" level, because of course, "objective quality" not only exist, it's the same for everybody. Of course, when people like you speak of "objective quality", what they mean is "my subjective opinion".

>ANN should be more to your liking since they do have a few professional reviewers
Have you even read the bullshit those imbeciles spout?
For some reason, no matter how uninformed, ignorant and outright stupid those reviews are, because ANN reviews are considered as reliable source by Wikipedia, they are holier than God. Never understood that position, to be honest.
 
forvea | 03-23-13, 1:49 PM
Fat troll is fat :)
 
CyberHorus | 03-06-13, 10:18 AM
>In essence, it is attention-whoring at its finest.

I don't think YOU have the right to bitch about these people.
 
Miketsukami-kun | 02-09-13, 9:46 AM
I agree about the rating scale problem and even think that I should lower a lot of my score which have been happening once in a while I used to have more than double the 10s that I have now and I believe becoming more critic is something that happens natuaraly with time with time.

About the rest I completly disagree FMAB is on of the few non-garbage shounen sorry for the people who like long popular shounen but most of those are garbage that don't even deserves to be watched. Steins;Gate is on of the better sci-fi out there and I'm really picky with sci-fi they must be heavily based on reality or use real theories to discribe something or even create a plausible theory to discribe the scenery which almost never happens on anime then again not all of those 10s should be 10s since most of the popular shows are mediocre no the best cases or garbage on the worst cases.
 
Doragon_dirudos | 01-24-13, 5:47 PM
I mostly agree with you and to be honest I usually give average anime a rating of 7 but I think that I should revise my list. as far as My 9 or 10s are concerned the show is required to make me cry or destroy my body with adrenaline rushes.
 
Doragon_dirudos | 01-24-13, 5:38 PM
@ThangLong
"@Veronin, that's why other movie sites such as Rotten Tomatoes have the critic scores apart from the user's score. Critics are the people who spends their time doing nothing but" getting paid to rate certain movies 10/10.

ftfy
 
ThangLong | 01-13-13, 6:14 AM
@Veronin, that's why other movie sites such as Rotten Tomatoes have the critic scores apart from the user's score. Critics are the people who spends their time doing nothing but watch movie to review it so their rating would be more "objective." Unfortunately, MAL does not have this since not a lot of people critic Anime for a living (I think ANN should be more to your liking since they do have a few professional reviewers). I do agree that the rating formula in MAL has inherit problems, IMDB's does a much better job btw. However, it's a price to pay to have a democratic system (every votes are equal) vs. republic system (critics' votes counted more).
Regarding the Bell curve distribution, I don't believe it should be a Normal distribution like you indicated. Trying to manipulate your ratings to replicate the "natural" order is a completely wrong application of statistics. Since people have to spend time and effort to watch an anime, it's only natural that they've already chosen an anime that's appealing to them. Thus, the curve should skewed up, not normal distribution.
Finally, your point on bad anime with popular following have higher rating than good but obscure ones is completely spot on. However, this is true in every social entertainment from music, movie, to arts...etc. The key is marketing, promotion, and shock value. MAL is not alone for having this problem, it's just part of life, so there is no reason to be disappointed of MAL because of it.
 
Toastghost | 11-08-12, 10:35 PM


Mine is mostly 7s (although i rate on enjoyment). And the few anime i would rate two or less i stopped watching half episode in XD

But i get what you mean, from what i assume this eventually happens to most forums; it starts good/close knit, then starts to grow, and as it grows begins to...well... rot (only way i could put it) this happened to fluidanims (although on a smaller scale)

Damn i miss that site :(
 
TallonKarrde23 | 07-16-12, 10:17 PM
Gintama is objectively the best anime there is. Deal with it, komkom.
 
edwd2 | 07-09-12, 8:17 PM
The sad truth about MAL rating system:

1. new guy joins MAL
2. new guy watches CG, TTGL, Steins;Gate, FMA, DN etc and gives them 10s
3. new guy looks at LoGH, Aria, Gintama, Mushishi and gives them 2s
 
Anise_Punter | 07-07-12, 5:10 PM
Also I meant to write "six 9s and one 7" because you're right, people don't know how a bell curve works here.
 
Anise_Punter | 07-07-12, 5:08 PM
The rating scale even when properly used is going to be slightly inflated because people gravitate towards things they already like. Now, this is no excuse for an average rating of like 7.7 or whatever the average across MAL is (my own average is like 6.07 and I still think that's way too high), but here's a situation that is probably responsible for some grade inflation, and there's not really a way to fix it.

You (or a hypothetical person) pull(s) up two series at random, K-On! and Hidamari Sketch. They loved K-On, but did not like Hidamari Sketch as much. They then watch all of K-On's associated series - the sequel, the specials, what have you, and they're similar enough that you give them all 7s or 8s or what have you. But this hypothetical person didn't watch any more of Hidamari Sketch - so they have like six 7s and one 5. And they made Hiro cry.

Your objections re: people who review shows when only one episode is out is spot-on. That's the reason this site has the "blog" feature in the first place as something different from reviews!
 
closetnerd | 07-06-12, 10:37 AM
tl;dr- shellys tastes>everyone elses
 
ridojiri | 06-28-12, 6:46 AM

you mad?
 
Veronin | 06-17-12, 7:21 PM
@Hybridiction
I pray you bear me henceforth from the noise and rumour of the field, where I may think the remnant of my thoughts in peace, and part of this body and my soul with contemplation and devout desires.
 
Hybridiction | 06-17-12, 7:17 PM
Do you set down your name in the scroll of youth, that are written down old with all the characters of age? Have you not a moist eye, a dry hand, a yellow cheek, a white beard, a decreasing leg, an increasing belly? Is not your voice broken, your wind short, your chin double, your wit single, and every part about you blasted with antiquity? And will you yet call yourself young
 
Nasty001 | 06-16-12, 5:00 AM
Ok, I see ur point.
 
EVB | 06-07-12, 7:05 PM
This blog post is excellent.
 
Montanz14 | 06-05-12, 4:17 AM
"Stop liking what l don't like"
 
TheWindWaker | 06-04-12, 12:25 PM
I give 10s to everything cause I'm not an elitist snob
 
UrbanScythe | 06-02-12, 7:49 AM
Im happy MAL is "broken" since its still better than hypocrites and arrogant elitists lurking in this blog.
 
Mktn | 05-30-12, 10:28 AM
LET THE PURGE BEGIN
 
LelouchMERAMERA | 05-30-12, 6:55 AM
but you should only use MAL to track anime and call each other faggots.
 
lordpassion | 05-30-12, 6:53 AM
tl;dr

Komeji is a loser

Asuza is a slut

etc.
 
Rill_Demover | 05-27-12, 11:37 AM
tl;dr
 
gibemonipls | 05-26-12, 11:52 AM
Why do you even watch anime if you're too pretentious to enjoy anything?
 
xVividTangerine | 05-24-12, 2:17 PM
Autism. Autism everywhere.
 
jgomezg | 05-22-12, 1:38 AM
You've made a fair point in the end, but just as well, this is less of a problem with MAL itself and more the inevitable result of having so many people from completely different backgrounds and schools of thought together in an online community, where they are always free to rate anime or even fiction and entertainment in general as they wish.

But as much as some of those radical divergences can be explained by something as superficial as using a different scale or snap judgments due to youth or inexperience, others aren't nearly as easy to dismiss. Subjectivity isn't only limited to what we consider personal enjoyment, you know, because it also affects how we tend to perceive the virtues and flaws of everything, all the way from writing and directing to animation and character design.

For instance, I don't particularly agree with quite a few of your anime ratings, and not only with respect to Code Geass -which after a couple of rewatches I still find to be constantly misjudged both by those who love it, yes, but also by those who hate it. Our differences also include the likes of Black Lagoon and even Gundam Unicorn, among others, which I also find to be more interesting than your ratings apparently suggest.

Rather than getting into a debate about this though, I prefer to simply agree to disagree, accepting that even rational individuals can reach distinct conclusions.
 
Failures | 05-19-12, 12:08 PM
Anyway, good read. I pretty much agree with everything. I might disagree with you on somethings Veronin/Komeiji, but you really know how to back up your opinions. That, I like.
 
Failures | 05-19-12, 12:06 PM
>Remember, guys, always trust in Veronin-sempai

Not sure if want...
 
Veronin | 05-18-12, 11:29 AM
Seems to be the direction most communities go in once they start to become big and popular. MAL was sure as hell a well-known anime site back then too, but it still wasn't even a fraction of what it is today. It's grown and grown and it's going to keep growing with every year until it becomes something else entirely. Almost every anime fan that uses the internet has a MAL account these days, or at least that's how it seems. Most of the regular users, reviewers, even the admins like Xinil are inactive or completely gone so the new wave is starting to take over the site now.

This is why we can't have nice things.
 
IllegalCyrus | 05-18-12, 11:07 AM
That kind of happened to a former community of mine. Back in mid 10-early 2012. This community was tightly nit and very mature while having so much fun. We can fuck around and call each other names and make all sorts of jokes. But then new kids came in and like MAL, the place turned into a PG-13 place with the owner not even thinking anything is wrong. Staff is either out of commission or don't give a shit. While people who do care are pushed to the sidelines. Which is hilarious.

MAL is turning into a PG friendly place where kids can have fun while people with intelligent opinions and such are pushed back to clubs/not even participating at all. Which is sad. While not being here for any of MAL's so called good times. MAL can be good again. But that's up to Xinil and the moderators. To lay down the law and try to help make this place better. Rori kind of did that reviews and tried to make kids think on how they rated and reviewed stuff. While he was a little harsh. His intentions were good. Kids just need to learn how to get less butthurt and such. This also means for the moderators to tell the kid when it isn't anything to deal with it.
 
Veronin | 05-18-12, 10:52 AM
@IllegalCyrus
It's a real shame that all the reviews now are horrible and getting shitcanned. This used to be my go-to place for reviews and general opinions on anime, but now that entire aspect seems to be completely lost, not only due to the poor reviews but with everything described here. It's a nice place still and you can meet a lot of cool people, make friends, compare compatability and all that, but it just feels a lot more... casual, entry-level, PG-13. It used to be more of a community back when I first came here in 2008 but nowadays it's a bit of a clusterfuck.
 
IllegalCyrus | 05-18-12, 10:38 AM
Community-wise, I still browse to find people with taste and try to make friends. But overall, MAL isn't that good. Sometimes when I'm bored and have nothing better to do, I look through people's profiles and see if they have the stereotype favorites. Boys 12-17 with shounen/Code Geass/Death Note (Not saying Shounen is bad. But it is typical) Girls the same age range with KEY, Higurashi, DRRR, Black Butler, and Ouran. It's kind of amusing to see for yourself.

Now in terms of objective. In my opinion, it's extremely simple. Just ask yourself does it deserve it? Point out what you feel is wrong. Rewatch it and see if it truly is worth a 10 and such. It's just applying logic, analyzing the show, and asking yourself questions. That's what I do with rating shows.

I knew a person who used a 4 ratings scale on MAL, he didn't care and never changed it. I found this truly idiotic because this gave inflated scores for anime that don't deserve it. The reviews on MAL are just bad. Rori is banned, Arch hasn't written a review in a while and Nom is gone. Those 3 were all really good reviewers IMO. But with them gone, reviewing is now a free-for-all pretty much. AniDB atleast have previews for a show that is airing so they can give an impression. Which usually don't shadow over until the show is done and the person has made a full review. But MAL is honestly full of people my age. That's what I see a lot, there is older members too but it's more dominated by 12-19 year olds.

Cute girls doing cute things is just good-hearted fun at the least. If you enjoy deep shit and gore. First off, look at the genres. If this is your first SoL, then it's acceptable. But if you are known to hate the genre. Why care? It's a lost cause for the person to find something good in the genre.

I know this is the first thing you said, but I given up on MAL's top anime. Manga is acceptable though. For anime, I go to AniDB rankings because I agree with more of the higher titles then MAL. But a good community is based on a good staff that cares and an owner that cares. Xinil most likely gives no shits about this site anymore and it's honestly a tragedy that it's like that. But we just have to make the best of it.
 
Yukinon- | 05-18-12, 10:30 AM
I totally agree but Gintama is really good.
 
TehRoboRoller | 05-18-12, 8:58 AM
Ah, I see your point. That's indeed just dumb. An actual 1 is in my opinion almost impossibly bad.
 
xx_mirai | 05-18-12, 8:40 AM
Oh, I think I could still enjoy the first season, if I went on pure enjoyment and if I forgot about R2's existence altogether. Maybe if R2 had better directing and writing, the slight trainwreck of the first season wouldn't have escalated in a huge trainwreck like it did. My heart sinks a bit whenever I see people raving and flailing about R2's finale. Just. Why.

It's true that when you're watching a lot of stuff, it piles up really quickly. I try to not leave leftovers that are from over a week ago, but there are times when you just can't make it. I was watching even more stuff when the season first started, and had to drop things that weren't necessarily bad if only for lack of time. I might pick them back up in the future, who knows.
Good luck with those 100 episodes. Maybe you're better off putting some of those on hold until they end while trying to catch up with the more interesting stuff in time for the finale (or vice versa), but either way, it's gonna be a lot of work catching up with all of those.

Isn't it? Sometimes I think that hey, at least I wasn't that dumb when I was twelve, but then I remember some of the stuff I did and I just shudder. I just hope these people will grow up to be ashamed of their prepubescent selves as well.


@TehRoboRoller
Yes, I think I remember that too. The futile attempt to rig the ratings isn't what annoys me - it's that these people score everything they drop (after one episode, to boot) with a 1, wherein 1 supposedly stands for "unwatchable" and is everyone's default score for Mars of Destruction. If you were going to give it a 1 after one episode, it makes me wonder why you'd ever consider watching that one episode to begin with. It makes it seem like "it's bad because I dropped it" more than "I dropped it because it's bad", because you can't convince me that all those shows are that bad.
 
Revocrednu | 05-18-12, 8:32 AM
tl:dr
 
Veronin | 05-18-12, 8:17 AM
The first season by itself wasn't exactly horrible, but when you throw R2 into the equation and the fact that the first season was built with R2 in mind, it becomes pretty hard to just leisurely write it off. As a whole the entire CG franchise is bad. It starts out mediocre, becomes poor by the end of the first season, and then takes a turn for being absolutely horrible in the second season.

Definitely have to agree that watching current anime is always a plus. It would be just as weird for somebody to write off current anime as it would if they exclusively watched what's airing. It's like regular TV, and speculating and discussing the anime while it's still airing is a lot of fun. But goddamn, that stuff starts to pile up if you pick up a lot of shows and fall behind a few weeks. I'm primarily trying to work through my backlog since there's a lot in there, but the fact that there's nearly 100 episodes downloaded from this season alone and yet to watch, it's just what the fuck.

It's a really weird thing to be staunchly against what your previous self represented only a few years ago. But hey, puberty and all that does it. I just turned 19 and still feel like a kid for the most part, but compared to my 14-year-old self it's just laughable. And sad, and embarrassing. Mostly the latter.
 
TehRoboRoller | 05-18-12, 8:15 AM
If you only watch one ep, the database will not take your score into account when calculating the average. You need to watch 20% of the show iirc.
 
xx_mirai | 05-18-12, 7:48 AM
While I disagree with some of the things in this post (most notably the part about FMA:B, AnoHana and Kara no Kyoukai, since I enjoyed all of these very much - but hey, different people have different opinions and it's fine as long as they aren't being asinine douchebags about it), I'm in agreement with pretty much everything else.

I remember watching Code Geass four years ago. R2, or at least its latter part, was the first anime I watched as it aired, and at the time I'm pretty sure that the first season sat at a 9/10 on my list. It's since gone down to a 7/10. I'm pretty sure it should go down a bit more, but I don't feel comfortable lowering its score without rewatching it first.
But putting aside my vicissitudes with CG, I do agree that people's opinion of it is definitely over-inflated. I think it's the kind of show that almost everyone loves when they watch it for the first time (case in point: it's pretty much everyone's gateway to anime by now, and if it weren't for Ouran High School Host Club it'd have been mine too), but the second season had a considerable drop in quality, and personally it made me question the first season as well, which is why I haven't ever rewatched it - I'm afraid it'll end up being even worse than I remember. And I automatically distrust anyone who still likes R2.

Watching currently airing anime takes away most of my free time, but I still try to watch half a dozen "older" shows as well at any given time. Admittedly it can make the experience more enjoyable if you watch a currently airing show and you can discuss it with other people (whereas it's sad when you watch an older show just to find out that the fanbase is long dead), but it has pretty much no meaning considering the ignorant pricks that inhabit MAL's forums. I personally watch currently airing anime just to make sure I don't miss out on anything of relevance.
I realize this is just personal preference, but I also dislike giving scores to anime until I'm done watching, simply because everything tends to fuck up to some extent during the season finale. It's been so hard to find something with a genuinely satisfying ending lately.

There was also a time where I actually tried to watch mostly top-rated shows on MAL, but I've since learned that those scores are unreliable, so I just watch whatever catches my fancy now. I try to assign scores based on MAL's rating system, where 6 is fine and 5 is average, but most people seem to think that the 6-1 portion of the scale is just for show, so just about everything fucks up, doesn't it. It's also annoying when people give a 1/10 score to shows they've dropped after only one episode. This is why we can't have nice things.

TL;DR people should be banned from rating anime until they've seen at least fifty to a hundred different titles and they're ready to recognize the existence of the full rating scale.
 
Veronin | 05-18-12, 5:40 AM
Yup, that's a large part of the reason. Heck, you can find a review I made of Code Geass from 4 years ago where I gave it a 9/10, while now that first season is sitting at a 4/10 on my list. It's easy to say most of what was said here because I was actually a part of that same group too and can speak from experience. Anybody could probably enjoy Code Geass (mostly in an ironic and derisive manner) even if they're sharply critical of anime, but to actually say that it's good, well.... that's probably not even possible.

Lowering ratings is pretty hard unless you still have a good idea of what the anime was like, so it's generally not advisable. Though in some cases it becomes clear, like when I had Shakugan no Shana sitting at a 7 on my list and then the third season came around last fall and made me realize how terrible the series actually is. Opinions change a lot over time so your current scores should try to reflect that. But if you can't really remember much of what you watched back then, nah. Leaving it as is would be best.
 
TehRoboRoller | 05-18-12, 5:30 AM
Ah yes, indeed, but balancing objective opinions and subjective opinions is what makes it hard.

Both Phantom and Code Geass were among the first anime I watched, and at the time, I thoroughly enjoyed them. Looking back now... Well, if I were to rewatch them, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't enjoy them nearly as much.

I have a couple of animes on my list that I feel I probably have ranked higher than I should have, but I really need to rewatch them in order to judge them properly.
 
Veronin | 05-18-12, 5:21 AM
Well, one thing to note is that while the quantity itself of anime you've seen plays a large part in where the majority of your ratings end up, the other half is you simply become more critical of most anime, seeing and being able to identify cliches and tropes because you have seen them often in anime already. While I don't think anime like Steins;Gate or Brotherhood are bad by any means because they are definitely good, it's still hard to offer very high ratings to them when I've already seen other anime that've surpassed them in many aspects. I try to compare and contrast with the best and the worst of the anime I've seen to arrive at the judgement of whether it was good, mediocre, or bad.

Phantom was kinda a tricky anime for me to rate for the same reasons. It was immensely enjoyable, but the writing was iffy in parts and the final arc and ending... oh god the ending, it made it hard to give a fair rating. It was an 8 after watching it a couple months ago and then got lowered to a 7 mainly because of its issues. I think the best way to rate is to factor in both objective quality and personal enjoyment.
 
TehRoboRoller | 05-18-12, 5:08 AM
Oh, and another thing, I guess I view these ratings a little bit differently from most ppl. I do not consider a 10 to be perfect, I do not believe in perfection. To me, a 10 is the best thing I've ever watched, not the best thing I could potentially watch.

Oh, and we have no decimals, so a 9.5 is a 10.
 
TehRoboRoller | 05-18-12, 5:05 AM
I really shouldn't be one to talk, since I know my ratings are all messed up, but I felt I had to add something.

I haven't watched a billion different animes, I've watched 30+, and for the most part, only stuff that I thought I would enjoy, therefore, most of my scores are unusually high. I also do not rank shows completely objectively, I very much rate them according to my personal enjoyment.

For example, Phantom ~Requiem for the Phantom~ has so many flaws it's not even funny, but I still enjoyed the hell out of it, and it was one of the first shows I watched.

Most of what I've watched, I've given an 8 or a 9. If I were to watch every anime in the universe, my average score should be around five, but since I only watch what I believe I will enjoy, I hardly see anything wrong with an 8.1 average.
 
Veronin | 05-18-12, 3:32 AM
@lpfManiak
I don't expect everybody to follow the exact rating scale as me and of course there will be different criteria and opinions from person to person, but there is no reason to have a mean score above, say, a 7.0. This usually points towards score inflation or a lack of standards and it's something to be questioned and considered. Because of people using a poor rating scale, the ratings on the site are completely busted and broken. I can't rely on them and a high or low score for an anime really says nothing to me due to a large case of plebeian taste.

What I mean by watching current anime is something that can be easily seen on /a/ and other places as well. It's that people only follow what's currently airing so that they can discuss it, rather than watching some older shows that they would like and enjoy more. If it's not being talked about anymore, they don't care about it. This is very stupid.

It's also very silly to expect a cute slice of life anime to be something that it's not and to push unreasonable standards on it. You wouldn't expect action from a romance anime and you wouldn't expect a mystery anime to be an action anime. There are exceptions, but for the most part these anime do not have any deep or complex themes or messages in them and that does not by itself make a mediocre or poor anime. I see all sorts of people who disregard anime just because it's tagged as slice of life or has cute girls on the artwork. Anime is judged by its entertainment value and what it succeeded at doing, and as long as there aren't any glaring issues with the anime then it deserves to be praised. K-ON is one of the few 10s on my list because it was virtually flawless and took a mostly silly and lighthearted series and turned it into something truly spectacular.
 
lpf | 05-18-12, 3:22 AM
*can
 
lpf | 05-18-12, 3:12 AM
I do agree about the top, but I stopped caring about it. In any community with 1000+ members it will inevitably follow the plebeian tastes and there is nothing you do about it.

And I personally let people use the rating scale they want. I use a rating scale similar to yours but seriously if they're content with their own why not. In all honesty, I use this rating scale for myself and I don't give a fuck if there are people who disagree with it. My philosophy is to highlight the anime I truly esteem but I can understand that people don't share it.

I wholeheartedly agree about reviewing after 1 to 3 episodes. Such reviews can't be good, considering the little substance there is to review when only a couple of episodes aired. They prevent many actually good reviews to stand at the top.

When you talk about the community, if you're referring to the forums, yes, it's bad, but it's mostly because most users post on other users' profile when they want to have a serious conversation. Although this is one reason among others, ANN doesn't have the comments features and its forum is much better.

I don't really get your criticism about watching airing anime to be "in"; it's a great way to have a long-term topic of discussion in common with other people (notably on IRC in my case, but it applies to anywhere else). Those who ignore older anime are indeed upsetting, though.

I wouldn't say there are too many insults on MAL, compared to /a/.

Funny, because Elfen Lied has cute girls. and was horrible. But, seriously, what makes an anime bad a lacklustre is to only have cute girls. Now, it's debatable whether Hidamari or any other series has nothing more to offer, but accept that there are people who look for content and fail to find it.
 
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