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| This is one of the best series of this season. Really powerful!! |
| Shockingly good episode! The events that took place were really brutal to watch but it's just another example of Magi rising above my expectations once again. |
| And sometimes, we get good episodes. |
| In the flash back they talk about how magicians were used to do menial things, like conjure water, build houses and heal those that are sick. But when they wanted to they had a lot of them killed. Then they had to serve in the war. Now even though its really sad (especially when his daughter died in the war D=), what they are doing now is just oppressing those that are non magic users, how are they any different? |
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Hannah_Ana said: I am just...speechless. A powerful episode. ^ |
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| holy shit that was HUGE Jump in quality, the 14 last episodes were pretty average but this one is just on another level. |
| just started watching the 2nd season of magi, and daym the previous epi and now this. totally moved by it, that at times its no longer about right or wrong its about taking a path and doing something about it.nothing goes right in the world so why bother doing things right, what's right for you will be wrong for others. just do what you chose to do -right and wrong the division created by people for self satisfaction, so as to name themselves right and thus believe to correct the wrong- |
noire1266Mar 26, 2014 5:54 AM
For I am aware of my own ignorance, thus i won't judge you |
| I feel bad for mogamett's life. |
| If you want everything you'll end up with nothing. |
| Best episode of Magi so far, and I'm not even joking. 10/5 |
| I loved the episode. Really tense and catching. I feel for the old man. Though I HATED the choice of the ending theme in the last seconds, that was horrible. |
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| Pretty dark information and backstory this episode, pretty nice development though! |
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UnbornMVs said: This episode left me speechless. It was splendidly done. |
| I guess I really am coldhearted. I felt nothing :/ |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| A lot of people are assholes, you can't deny that. But there are a lot of non-assholes inside the 5th area, which makes it wrong. |
| The music that started playing at the end was so nice - was that the ending song? It sounded nice over the voices. |
| Powerful episode. Am I the only one who relates the "Goi" meaning to today's "gaijin"? I wonder if the writer was secretly xenophobic and was subtly hinting at their current prejudice feelings? lol I'm thinking way too much into this. |
| i felt like that episode turned into an intense philosophical depiction of the book Animal Farm. weird |
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| What an amazing episode! Easily one of the best episodes of the series. God, I love this show so much. |
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| I still don't see how they are any better, they saw Goi as livestock and "goi" saw them as tools . . . Both subjugated one another however the magicians did it on a much grander scale. If anything the head mage is nothing more than a hypocrite. I'm disappointed that the entire city goes along with his hypocrisy and not one person realizes it . . . Bleh. |
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giamon said: The FEELS! You end up pitying the old guy for what he's been through. Pretty much that, this anime likes to play with my feels. IronLobster said: 5/5 This adaption is everything I hoped for so far. The last scene was done so well with the nobles turning into beasts. That ending T_T, this series is really awesome though. |
nerfxJan 4, 2015 12:48 PM
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| I know that it sounds strange but... I´m agree with this "dumbeldor impostor", Magicians should lead the world, but i don´t feel necessary to use humans as cows or pigs are used... |
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| What an intense ending! I'm liking the new ED theme. I get the argument and symphatize somewhat on the magician's side, but it all boils down to faux Dumbledore's preconcieved notions about how gois are. It looks like he had to hang with a horrible bunch. So maybe it's okay if they become a sort of magicians' haven, however if they are expanding the borders his argument fails imho. Anywhoms, cool ending. |
| Unexpectedly powerful episode, hopefully more to come :D |
| Wow... The emotion at the end... Just amazing, Sana dying... And everything that has happened to Mogamett... What an episode, not a lot happened but the intensity of the ending wow. 10/5. And the ending music playing while he was speaking and seeing the humans turn to pigs... It was an amazing scene. |
| Magoi underground resource facility . Ideology of Magicians and Non-Magicians . Truth of the known entities called Magicians . Changes we can only thought for the better, became significantly overpowering . Lust to Dominate . This is why Harmony wouldn't be that easily achieved . Which is why Realization needs to be establish . Truly a Powerful Episode . |
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| I'm really speechless. The whole Mogamett's speech about the past of the mages was really well done, and the performance of his seiyuu just made the whole thing even more powerful. The best thing is that despite how brutal the condition of the gois of the 5th Level is, Mogamett is not really evil, just extremely racist and blinded by his bias and belief that mages are superior to the goi, as he let the goi the posibility to ascend to other levels to be useful for the society. The great flaw of his system is that he should give a chance to all the children who born in the missery of the 5th Level and that want to be useful, like Marga. The ending scene when the nobles turns into beasts in Mogamett's eyes along the ending gave me shivers. Really liked how they approached this kind of issues about who should have the power and how even the people who the best intentions don't necessarily do the best actions to achieve the peace, who also happens in real life. So far, this second season have been best than the first. Hope the series maintains this level to the end. |
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| I don't understand Mogamett... He seems to be good, but he's second half is bad. White rukh shows his good intentions, but not only good intentions count, sometimes the effects turn out to be bad. Waaaah, I don't want Titus's death!!!!!!!!  |
| Funny how people were commenting that Mogamett reminds them of Hitler, when whole Magnostadt is actually more based on (((Our Greatest Ally))). A state that used to be Musta'sim (Palestine) is now taken over by the formerly oppressed Magicians (Jews). Except that the part where the Magicians are forced to work for the Goi reminds me more of WW2 Germany. The Magicians wore badges, just like the Jews wore yellow stars, and they were worked to the bone and discriminated, which is exactly like how Jews were treated in Germany back then. Even the word Goi comes from what Torah calls non-Jews (Goy, Goyim), and some extremist Jews actually think that everyone who doesn't have Jewish blood in them is as lowly as cattle. |
| I was going through the comments to hear people's take on this hierarchal system, only to be disappointed. I was not really disgusted by the overwhelming concensus that the people in district 5 deserved their state of living. Nor was I particularly annoyed by the pathetic attempt to justify the 'meritocratic' candy branded form of extreme conservatism and pro-capitalism that makes institutionalised prejudice a part of national economic policy. Huzzah! Nay, I was endlessly annoyed about the lack of reading comprehension, before commenting. Are we watching the same thing? Here is a paraphrased quote straight out of the episode, " If anyone tries to escape, the whole district is punished..." And yes, it's hard to break out of magic barriers, when you can't use magic and you're being drained of it. For fks sake, you're trying to push your political views even in a gridlocked simplified fictional world. Are you freakin' serious here? Well fine then, I may as well counter some of these 'shounen solution' comments here. What is with this bullcrap about how these people are free to access better education and work opportunities so they desire. And no more about this dumbed down view that the second generation desires only alcohol, debauchery and laziness WHEN THEY'RE BEING PLIED INTO SUBMISSION AND IT'S THEIR ONLY OUTLET AGAINST THEIR TERRIBLE, DEPRESSING WAY OF LIVING! We see this among people of native ethnicity all around america, canada, australia and new zealand. You mean to say they are lazy cunts, gtfo here heartless bastards. Search up the suicide rates, unemployment rates, depression percentages and murder rates for these groups. The country has failed these indigeneous people but like the Musta'sim royalty, it must be the cookie cut answer that it's their fault and they should be scapegoated when required. EVERY HIGH HDI COUNTRY employs some small part of government social programs in order to allow the lower class to ascend their position through access to education, basic healthcare, and food subsidies. If that isn't meritocracy, I don't know what is. |
Cloud_IllusionFeb 26, 2017 6:17 AM
| Nothing can happen until you swing the bat. |
| I can see the reason behind his logic, he's not totally wrong. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| Wow, this ideology / way of thinking is really deep.. I think this a metaphor to science vs politic and military in our world.. I also sometimes wonder why the fuck the power lust and stupid people who only know how to feed his belly and destroy people they hate to rule this world.. While We the man of science develop the world, fight the disease, understand to long consequences of what we do now, etc.. Yeah, the difference is science is not hereditary like magic is in Magi, so I can somewhat find the weakness of Morgamett's idea ... |
"The Slave is the have-not, the oppressed one with nothing to spare. But because the Slave is in that despairing situation, having nothing, it can kill the Emperor !" |
| Pretty flawed logic that guy has there. So because the "goi" (which is lumping 90% of the population anyway) treated the magicians like livestock, now they magicians have to do the same thing to them? It sure is a better world if you copy what they did to you... |
| the nobles are wrong for using the magicians, but what Mogamett's doing is the exact same thing, using the Goi for his own gain. This often happens in revenge stories. the "good" guy kills the bad guy, but in doing so, he becomes just as bad as the bad guy and lost sight of what's truly right and wrong. If Mogamett hates Goi and wants to build a kingdom where only Magicians resided, then he could have just kicked the Goi out! Why enslave them? How inhumane. |
| directors speech + the memory sbow was so long that half way trough i said some1 plz shoot hes brains out with magic already, this bitch just whines and does the same things the kind he hates hypocrit |
| That ending illustrating those Scums as pigs and beasts was the best part of the episode hats down for the studio and story was typical but well directed. |
| Strange to have forgotten about this episode considering how - thematically speaking - it's arguably one of the most powerful moments in Magi. The cycle of discrimination between the mages and humans touches on so many aspects of human nature. While magicians suffered at the expense of power hungry humans, it's also true that innocent people such as Marga were caught in the crossfire of Mogamett's good intentions. It's not always hatred that drives people to hurt others, after all. Apathy & misguided righteousness can also be used to dehumanize people different from us. I think what really grips the heart about Mogamett's story is that his assessment of humans is fundamentally true. The instinct to conquer, to subjugate and to dominate others. I feel that I understand this much better now in comparison to when I first watched Magi several years ago. With that said, it's not the entire truth of what defines humans either. Certainly, Mogamett fails to see that as even a small girl such as Marga has an earnest desire to overcome her hardships in order to seek knowledge and learn. In that sense, she's as close as it gets to the ideal mage that Mogamett speaks of. On a side note, watching Sinbad's Adventure shortly before this definitely helped to fill in the context of the Parthevian Empire and the madness that it wrought. |
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| The director has become what he hated the most....it all needs to go. |
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| So to sum up Director Mogamett's lecture / "express ideology course" with a few words : "The oppressed became the oppressors". That's it. Magic is largely irrelevant here; the "magicians" and the "Goi" could just have been different social classes with the former being screwed over by the latter. The real world lacks magic but various revolutions and civil wars during history have been fought for far less than what the goi did to the magicians. Is that really the "truth" that Alladin and co needed to know in order to see the light and somehow accept that draining the life out of 200,000 people is morally just? Really? This was just a classic example of the oppressed becoming the oppressors, magic or no magic, and it is very obvious that the Director simply hates the Goi for taking both his wife and his daughter from him. I really don't understand why so many magicians would buy that crap without question.. Perhaps the full course of the ideology / propaganda classes is more insidiously effective? As for the "argument" of the Goi of the 5th district being lazy and doing nothing it was risible as well. They are that way by design, since there is no job they can do down there - not that they could do much with the life constantly being drained out of them.. And as for the magicians putting knowledge first that was also laughable. Knowledge comes after someone's basic needs are covered. And for that you need at least some money. Not all magicians would put knowledge first anyway, and many would do it to increase their power and/or wealth; not too many would pursue knowledge for knowledge's sake, in contrast to Mogamett's claim. You know, just like what normal humans / Goi do.. All in all, the ideological justifications of Mogamett have more holes than Emmental cheese. Why not be more honest and say "We did it just because we could / out of revenge / so that we could not suffer anymore" or just "Might is right"? |
SharpedonMay 31, 2021 1:38 AM
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| Although he does definitely have the right to exact revenge on the magicless, what he is doing to those 200,000 citizens of his country is wrong. He should have just killed all the non magicians who were opressing him and his people at the time, that should be the end of his revenge. |
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| have to say something about mogamet ideals. and i think it's quite for the reason aladdin came there. he sure have quite experience with humans to justify his ideology. but like being said here it's much as like hitler thought about superior race. he earlier noted that magician not have the kind of ambitious to being ruler, but he himself making the magician race thinks like that. apart from that, aladdin face are making sure that though mogamet story is touching, the viewer would be sided with aladdin point of view. kind of reminds me naruto and pain ideology part really. |
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