| Honestly, I felt teased. I don't mind Frieren vs Denken being saved for last but, Fern's team battle turning into somewhat of a filler feels-trip short story disappointed me so. But if this is going to be a multiple-stage exam, then I guess it makes sense that they give Wirbel's team some build-up for whatever purpose they'll have later on in the story. And of course, if the team of Wirbel passes the exam/to the next stage, then I guess it's also a planted seed for Ubel's character's redemption at some point. She did show some hints of having a mutual understanding of Wirbel's situation of trying to humanize one's self presumably trying to escape a dark past, especially with Wirbel saying something about going back to "unnecessary killings" to her. |
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| Trying to buy time are you? Very well! I will monologue my backstory! |
| And I think we know now why the proctors aren't so concerned about killing off candidates. Don't want too many others getting their hands on those top tier spells elf encyclopedia is handing out. |
| Cursive is the future. - Nate Bargatze |
| Episode 21 And now, the Frieren and Denken fight as for this trio, simply passing the test is not enough. While that's going on, Lawine and Kanne are fighting Richter, whose concentrated earth attacks are piercing through Kanne's shield spells. Denken's fire vortex spell is quite the sight to behold, but that drained all his mana and while that would have easily defeated just about anybody else, not against Frieren. Frieren leverages the situation threatening to kill Denken unless Laufen hands over the Stille. And then Frieren breaks the barrier to allow the rain in so that Lawine can defeat Richter as just like in Pokemon, water type attacks are supereffective against ground types. Even after being schooled by Frieren, Denken's party still passes as they steal a Stille from another party despite having no mana left. That was some great display of magic and quick thinking by Frieren going to show that she has been through just about everything. |
| Lol at Stark getting the "That's Rough Buddy" meme |
| I like how the show isn't flagrant with Frierin's power. It keeps her low key and only reminds you now and then that yes, she is one of the most powerful magic users in the world. It doesn't have her constantly running into low tier villains so she can show off how overpowered she is. |
| I'm curious if they're still going to have Frieren continue with the test. Being more aware of her past exploits, plus witnessing her destroy the barrier, she's more than qualified to have a license. None of the other contestants would want to mess with her after seeing that. Geez, I wonder how ancient Serie must be. She seemed already ancient a thousand years ago when Frieren first met her. I'd be curious if her and Kraft knew each other, or which one is older. |
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| I love that Denken was ready to brawl. Shows he's a well-rounded character not overly dependent on his magic. |
| The tomatoes are coming! Arm the dicer! Prepare the olive oil! |
| I'm happy that most threats to kill another mage turned out to be bluff, I wasn't feeling comfortable with the thought of otherwise likeable characters being killers. And speaking of likeable, Denken is just such a blast, it's kind of sad that we'll likely only see a little more of him before Frieren moves on. I legitimately felt a shiver run up my spine as Frieren composed her shield busting spell |
| Quantum ille canis est in fenestra |
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@runec Works for Mash.
| @marklebid Also Louie the Rune Soldier. |
| I'm glad we didn't have to wait another 5 or 6 episodes to find out what the connection was between Frieren and Serie. Not feeling the need to drag things out just to create a mystery that's not really a mystery is one of the signs of a good, and confident, story teller. (looking at you Rouge Robot) Denken was already a good character, but that last ten seconds elevated him to a great character. I wasn't sure what he was planning to do there until he took his cloak off. Great shot with him coming in with the uppercut too. That talk of shields being weak to physical attacks has me wondering if Frieren has developed a better shield spell or if her and Fern are just able to pour more mana into their shields and that's why we haven't seen anything get through their defenses yet. Graumann said: My guess is Serie would probably be the only one who could exempt her from having to finish the test and I don't think she'll do that since she probably wants to see what Frieren will do for the rest of it.I'm curious if they're still going to have Frieren continue with the test. Being more aware of her past exploits, plus witnessing her destroy the barrier, she's more than qualified to have a license. |
| Cursive is the future. - Nate Bargatze |
| Episode 22 Now that the first test has wrapped up, there's plenty of down time until the next one begins. The other parties take much different approaches there as Ubel is being watchful, and Richter sees everybody as an enemy. But in the meantime, Frieren is enjoying a heaping pile of steak at Leckler's tavern that she once visited and give the head chef a premium knife. While I knew that using up that much magic would make her hungry, I thought that elves were supposed to be vegan. Seeing that Stark had nothing to do during the first exam that Wirbel puts him to work. With just the ladies around, Frieren, Fern, Lawine, and Kanne hang out together before notice of the second of three parts arrives, and the proctor is none other than the infamous Sense, who is so difficult that nobody has passed any tests proctored by him. Pretty much, this episode is some down time until the next exam seeing that everybody is burnt out from the first exam and needs some time to relax as a dungeon conquest is coming for the second exam, and it every mage for themself from hereon out. |
| Too bad Stark, your wife is back, no more bachelor life. I was thinking as far as Sense goes, she may not let you pass, but she seems to value your life unlike the first test's proctor, so even if you fail you should survive, but the little end credit scene makes me wonder about that. Maybe her definition of "pacifist" and her objection to the deaths in the first exam were some twisted logic she adheres to. |
| I had a good laugh during that scene with Stark meditating and a "Sensei" was talking to him xD I almost settled with this being a filler 'bonding' episode until Lawine mentioned that their gonna be rivals next time. Only then did I realize that this was a neccesary build-up episode to soften us up, showing us the bonds the characters have before some of them end up (presumably) getting rid of the other. I noticed that one of the teams that passed the first exam isn't even a part of the OP credit sequence so, I'd assume they'll be the fodders to feed the characters with evil intent. We're in the climax now, y'all. |
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LouieGrandie said: Not to mention she seemed to be having some random food cravings like she was pregnant xDAnd Fern pounding on the back of Stark doesn't get more newlyweds in love than that. As the great living "Onee-chan Admirer" legend, Sein once said, "JUST START DATING ALREADY!". |
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| Frieren just casually eating her own bodyweight. How exactly does murder girl's power work? She's clearly a sociopath so I don't see how she can empathize with anyone. |
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Frieren just casually eating her own bodyweight.
How exactly does murder girl's power work? She's clearly a sociopath so I don't see how she can empathize with anyone.
How exactly does murder girl's power work? She's clearly a sociopath so I don't see how she can empathize with anyone.
| @runec Maybe she's like Syler from Heroes |
runec said: When it comes to Wirbel, I think it was him saying something along the lines of "not running away from a necessary killing" that she empathized with. From a sociopath's perspective, there might be a very different basis for "necessary killing". But he still said it and she empathized with it, differing context it might have.How exactly does murder girl's power work? She's clearly a sociopath so I don't see how she can empathize with anyone. (If only he didn't try to act like he actually enjoys killing then the sociopath wouldn't have gotten a very useful killer skill.) I'm assuming she'd have to lead their conversations to somewhere she could actually empathize with, regardless of the context the speaker meant it. She did seem to have baited Wirbel by telling him the "still want to be human" line, which led to him saying the "Necessary killing" line. |
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runec said:
How exactly does murder girl's power work? She's clearly a sociopath so I don't see how she can empathize with anyone.
When it comes to Wirbel, I think it was him saying something along the lines of "not running away from a necessary killing" that she empathized with. From a sociopath's perspective, there might be a very different basis for "necessary killing". But he still said it and she empathized with it, differing context it might have.How exactly does murder girl's power work? She's clearly a sociopath so I don't see how she can empathize with anyone.
(If only he didn't try to act like he actually enjoys killing then the sociopath wouldn't have gotten a very useful killer skill.)
I'm assuming she'd have to lead their conversations to somewhere she could actually empathize with, regardless of the context the speaker meant it.
She did seem to have baited Wirbel by telling him the "still want to be human" line, which led to him saying the "Necessary killing" line.
| @Jozuwa-_- I can't imagine she succeeds with it very often given her personality. It doesn't seem like she has a lot of other powers unless she's secretly hiding another 10 or 20 powers or maybe she can only do one or two at a time. |
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@Jozuwa-_- I can't imagine she succeeds with it very often given her personality. It doesn't seem like she has a lot of other powers unless she's secretly hiding another 10 or 20 powers or maybe she can only do one or two at a time.
| @runec I'd guess there've been plenty of men who've been willing to at least sit down and have an extended conversation with her. Seems like that's all it really takes. They did say she'd killed a first class mage when taking a previous exam so she must have more spells than what we've seen so far. |
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@Jozuwa-_- I can't imagine she succeeds with it very often given her personality. It doesn't seem like she has a lot of other powers unless she's secretly hiding another 10 or 20 powers or maybe she can only do one or two at a time.
| @runec That's a good point. She'd have many abilities by now if it was easy for her to do, and it would definitely be too OP if she could use all of them at once. I do see her hiding her skill(s) knowing that there are more stages for the exam. It'd be interesting to see if she does have plenty of them, how her 'copy' skill works, and what the drawbacks are, in the next coming episodes. For now, my only guesses are: that there's not much waiting time for her ability since she immediately took steps towards getting Land's 'cloning' ability, just a little after she copied Wirbel's (which was a day or two after the exam, I think?), And that maybe it requires a certain level of feelings she should empathize with. Land is better off keeping his mouth shut and be good at avoiding monologues when she's around. xD |
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zkeleton said: It might be a cruel idea but, I won't be surprise if at some point in the exams, she unleashes her OP-ness and wipe out the entire 2nd season's side-characters to give Frieren a 'Rage/Punishing moment' for pivotal character development.@runec I'd guess there've been plenty of men who've been willing to at least sit down and have an extended conversation with her. Seems like that's all it really takes. They did say she'd killed a first class mage when taking a previous exam so she must have more spells than what we've seen so far. |
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@runec I'd guess there've been plenty of men who've been willing to at least sit down and have an extended conversation with her. Seems like that's all it really takes. They did say she'd killed a first class mage when taking a previous exam so she must have more spells than what we've seen so far.
It might be a cruel idea but, I won't be surprise if at some point in the exams, she unleashes her OP-ness and wipe out the entire 2nd season's side-characters to give Frieren a 'Rage/Punishing moment' for pivotal character development.@runec I'd guess there've been plenty of men who've been willing to at least sit down and have an extended conversation with her. Seems like that's all it really takes. They did say she'd killed a first class mage when taking a previous exam so she must have more spells than what we've seen so far.
| @Jozuwa-_- I'd like to hope this show is above that sort of thing as that would be more shonen I would think. |
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@Jozuwa-_- I'd like to hope this show is above that sort of thing as that would be more shonen I would think.
| @runec Definitely. But I do feel some dark moments caused by Ubel are looming around the corner. Either that or I'm really just craving for some Frieren chaos xD |
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| It's quite cute how the random team assignments for the mages have turned into "friendships" of a sort |
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| This was a good episode! (Episode 23) A good balance of fun, intrigue, and action. Looks like I'm gonna get me some Frieren chaos after all. Just not in the way I thought it would be. And looks like they found an interesting way to drop the side characters. Probably in a much nicer way than my preferred "Ubel method"... but there's still time and I still have my hopes up :P |
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| Episode 23 Onto the second test that's a dungeon raid with the objective being to reach the bottom floor before dawn. For Frieren, going with Fern and the test proctor Sense tagging along, her experience venturing through dungeons is proving to be quite useful as Himmel was quite the dungeon enthusiast, though falling for that mimic when Fern was 99% sure of it is something only a fool would do. While that's happening, Denken's party along with Methode and one other gets attacked by gargoyles and that other examinee ends up in a trap and was forced to give up. And then Wirbel's party gets attacked by replicas of other test takers. Likewise, Denken's party is dealing with replicas, with the first being a replica of Laufen. After defeating it, now Denken's party is up against fake Frieren. Denken better hope his combat experience against Frieren will help him out this time knowing that she's going to be tough to beat. Pretty uneventful from Frieren's end, but for Denken and Wirbel, it's about to become a big battle. I have to think that Frieren and Fern will end up battling against replicas as well, and it will be interesting to see who their opponent is. |
| I'm not exactly sure what Denken's idea of examining the entrances to the dungeon was, nor his idea of trying to get people to work with him. He just seemed to sit there like a log until every other group got tired of waiting. Kanne and Lawine seemed like they might have worked with him, otherwise, I am surprised they didn't follow Frieren and Fern. But Denken didn't even seem motivated to enter the dungeon until they got tired of waiting. Then he didn't even do any studying of the entrances, he just got up and walked in with the people left. |
| For someone who is like a 1000 years old, Frieren has terrible dungeon sense. I wasn't expecting Frieren to also be the final boss. |
| Episode 24 And now the examinees are fighting replicas of themselves. Ubel's clone steals Land's golem going to highlight her murderous streak, but it turns out that she took it from Land's clone, who unlike the other clones is not a colorless copy. While everybody else is fighting, Frieren finds a secret passageway with a carving to depict the history of the place, then comes across Denken's party, whose pathway to the bottom is blocked by Frieren's clone. So Methode analyzes Frieren to figure out how to approach the battle against her clone. Edel ends up bailing when she comes across a clone of Sense, whose unexpected approach to dealing with defensive magic spells leaves her wounded as she came to realize these clones don't have minds. Looks like Fern has come up with a plan, and it will be interesting to see what it is as she has been traveling with Frieren, so she knows all her strengths and weaknesses. |
| Looks like the title for next season will change from "Frieren" to "Fern" xD Fern is about to unleash all of her frustrations with Frieren and vent it all out on the clone. I'm expecting a bloody mess :P Ubel needed to see the entire body of an opponent to use the binding skill yet she didn't use it when she was peeking at her clone, and its entirety while chit-chatting with Land...'s clone. Frieren enjoyed every second on Methode's breasts... lucky old elf. Sense is a "pacifist". Her clone, not so much. Good dialogue-dominant episode. |
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| Don't go trying to steal Fern's daughter.... |
marklebid said: Great point. And yeah, Edel's injury seems to be just fatal enough to make her back out and survive.They acting as if they're clones but with the goal of 'protect the dungeon boss' and 'delay intruders.' At least now her companions can inform the rest about the clones being mindless. marklebid said: LOL. Or offer a Grimoire as a peace offering xDNow dealing with Frieren clone *should* be fairly easy. Just toss a Mimic in there marklebid said: I see. No wonder she had to dash to attack so she wouldn't be entirely seen while running. Although, they should've both been able to use it the moment they saw each other's full body. Maybe it's part of her plan to make Land save her and increase the possibility of getting close to him enough to get that "sympathy".Seems to be a Goldilocks range requirement on the sight binding. |
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| Since the faux-Ubel (Fubel lol) would know the range of the spell I'm sure it stayed far enough away so the real one couldn't just peek around the corner and hit her with it. It's also possible that since her magic seems to work on totally different principles than normal magic that her range with the spell might be different than the original spell. So I guess Fern likes history. I figured she might have some advantage against Freiren with how fast she can spam spells. In a straight up one v one she probably wouldn't be able to overcome Freiren's mana advantage though. Those escape golems are fun. The mage developing those could make some good money depending on how much they cost to make. The way Lawine and Kanne were sneaking around makes me think they must have run into some copies too. I love the way Freiren just glommed on to that woman. She's such an 'in the moment' kind of person. Looks like Denken is going to get his wish with a bunch of them working together. |
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I love how the theme covered by last episode comes full circle in this episode. In Episode 23, Fern remarked that she was able to enjoy dungeons because of seeing how happy Frieren gets with dungeon loot. When they discovered the hidden room and saw the contents, Frieren didn't seem that excited compared to regular dungeon loot. In contrast, Sense and Fern were in awe of the discovery. Seeing Fern be so full of wonder also made Frieren happy:  |
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I love how the theme covered by last episode comes full circle in this episode. In Episode 23, Fern remarked that she was able to enjoy dungeons because of seeing how happy Frieren gets with dungeon loot. When they discovered the hidden room and saw the contents, Frieren didn't seem that excited compared to regular dungeon loot. In contrast, Sense and Fern were in awe of the discovery. Seeing Fern be so full of wonder also made Frieren happy:
| @Graumann Damn, I missed that. Good catch! I guess Frieren learned another feeling she never understood before. Now she knows how Fern and Himmel feel seeing her enjoying dungeon raids. |
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| Raid Boss Frieren. I hope they have to work for it to defeat her and not that she has some massive flaw that makes her a pushover. I can see Fern taking her out if the rest of the group can give her the opening to do so as Fern has sheer firepower like Frieren. I can also see them simply overwhelming shadow Frieren in a drawn out fight since the group also has the original Frieren to meet power with power. They could wear out her mana eventually. |
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