What's good about the action?

Jan 25, 2024 12:43 PM

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people have different likes and dislikes for me i love to watch action anime and i don't care about the storyline i just want some carzy action scenes so from my point jjk has a quite interesting action if you compare to demon slayer and one punch man it's just focus on actions but i think you want emotions more than actions so you are quite finding it hard in jjk

Jan 25, 2024 12:45 PM

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Abysss_ said:
One point I must make is that I found the animation hard to follow along. This is not an attack on the animation, I genuinely found it felt off and was too much. This could be due to the directing style overstimulating me, I have autism, causing me to struggle to properly absorb what was on screen. So, I apologies if this post is nonsense and I have missed blatant details.

The main appeal of the second season, for the majority, would be the fight scenes. But what makes them compelling to so many?

Frequently, I've witnessed fans proclaim that great action scenes can make up for sub-par characters and monotonous storytelling. But are action scenes not made by the structure, the story, on which they stand? These moments can, and should strive to, be more than superficial spectacle. They are a chance of showcasing the conflict of character relationships and their breaking points. A chance to display profound disagreements on ideologies. A chance to exhibit tremendous conviction.
A debate without words, but movement.

Berserk spoilers in example:

I struggle to see this in JJK. There is little to dig into beyond the spectacle. I didn't watch this expecting it to be some deep, complex, and philosophical story that will enlighten me on existence. But I'd be lying if said I wasn't expecting something more... substantial.

Am I simply blind to the depth of the work?
Can you provide me examples of what makes the action great?
I just want to understand the appeal; the absurd love of the series is fascinating.

I won't lie it feels very overanimated at times. like just too many flashing lights and colors and characters often losing their solid line work and just becoming color blobs. I have a feeling they overdid it with the effects to try and hide imperfections with the animation, of which there are probably many considering the timeframe

Jan 25, 2024 12:46 PM

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Abysss_ said:
One point I must make is that I found the animation hard to follow along. This is not an attack on the animation, I genuinely found it felt off and was too much. This could be due to the directing style overstimulating me, I have autism, causing me to struggle to properly absorb what was on screen. So, I apologies if this post is nonsense and I have missed blatant details.

The main appeal of the second season, for the majority, would be the fight scenes. But what makes them compelling to so many?

Frequently, I've witnessed fans proclaim that great action scenes can make up for sub-par characters and monotonous storytelling. But are action scenes not made by the structure, the story, on which they stand? These moments can, and should strive to, be more than superficial spectacle. They are a chance of showcasing the conflict of character relationships and their breaking points. A chance to display profound disagreements on ideologies. A chance to exhibit tremendous conviction.
A debate without words, but movement.

Berserk spoilers in example:

I struggle to see this in JJK. There is little to dig into beyond the spectacle. I didn't watch this expecting it to be some deep, complex, and philosophical story that will enlighten me on existence. But I'd be lying if said I wasn't expecting something more... substantial.

Am I simply blind to the depth of the work?
Can you provide me examples of what makes the action great?
I just want to understand the appeal; the absurd love of the series is fascinating.

Joey from Trash Taste-esque opinion.

Jan 25, 2024 1:56 PM

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I’m not someone who really looks into stuff like that all that often but some clear ones I found from just watching would be Yuji and Mahito, they are on both sides of the same coin. They both fill the same role for their sides respectively just endlessly killing each others friends in this fight between curses and humanity. Another would be the ideological differences between jogo and Sukuna, Jogo was a more reserved curse trying to as sukuna said take the role of humans and curses would then become the new humans. Sukuna says this is foolish though because it limited how strong he could become. Rather than try to become the new humans he should be more like sukuna and just tear everyone and everything down and not care about societal roles. There are lots of things to like about jjk story and theme wise but jjk is like dragon ball in the sense that themes and story are in the background while the fights take the foreground making it harder to find those aspects you were asking for.

Jan 25, 2024 4:04 PM

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Fuji v mahito is literally one of the most layered fights in new gen shounen that was set up since the arc mahito was introduced to in season 1. if you dont see the context behind the other fights in the season then maybe you just need to rewatch it, its not rly that hard to grasp but since its not in your face like other shone abt the plot lines it relies on the viewer to actually pay attention to things which is a proven scarcity in this day n age.

Jan 25, 2024 10:11 PM

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Arun_rio said:
people have different likes and dislikes for me i love to watch action anime and i don't care about the storyline i just want some carzy action scenes so from my point jjk has a quite interesting action if you compare to demon slayer and one punch man it's just focus on actions but i think you want emotions more than actions so you are quite finding it hard in jjk

I get his point tho, for example, to me shibuya was extremely poorly written (altho had good action ofc yes) BUT that doesn't makes up for the writting because (and here's my point) the dying scenes, when you focus too much on action, you forget how to writte emotions it seems? Lol, or may be is a Gege problem. i felt nothing on those dying scenes and, also mostly bc those characters backgrounds were lackluster too. I didn't feel empathy towards them bc what i knew about them or the time i spent with them was so little

Jan 25, 2024 11:51 PM

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I hate overdone camera work and overblown colors, too but thats what other people like dude. Its called being a different person.

Jan 26, 2024 12:30 AM

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ratliker63 said:

Abysss_ said:
One point I must make is that I found the animation hard to follow along. This is not an attack on the animation, I genuinely found it felt off and was too much. This could be due to the directing style overstimulating me, I have autism, causing me to struggle to properly absorb what was on screen. So, I apologies if this post is nonsense and I have missed blatant details.

The main appeal of the second season, for the majority, would be the fight scenes. But what makes them compelling to so many?

Frequently, I've witnessed fans proclaim that great action scenes can make up for sub-par characters and monotonous storytelling. But are action scenes not made by the structure, the story, on which they stand? These moments can, and should strive to, be more than superficial spectacle. They are a chance of showcasing the conflict of character relationships and their breaking points. A chance to display profound disagreements on ideologies. A chance to exhibit tremendous conviction.
A debate without words, but movement.

Berserk spoilers in example:

I struggle to see this in JJK. There is little to dig into beyond the spectacle. I didn't watch this expecting it to be some deep, complex, and philosophical story that will enlighten me on existence. But I'd be lying if said I wasn't expecting something more... substantial.

Am I simply blind to the depth of the work?
Can you provide me examples of what makes the action great?
I just want to understand the appeal; the absurd love of the series is fascinating.

I won't lie it feels very overanimated at times. like just too many flashing lights and colors and characters often losing their solid line work and just becoming color blobs. I have a feeling they overdid it with the effects to try and hide imperfections with the animation, of which there are probably many considering the timeframe

the op post was very civil about it and kept it respectable but you on the other hand here spouting nonsense. Not once did the animation team add ugly or overbearing after effects. Even when the episode was broken and the animation was struggling the compositing team did a fantastic job. Also flashiness is Ufotable style, if you don't like it, don't watch it.

Jan 26, 2024 12:36 AM

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Abysss_ said:
One point I must make is that I found the animation hard to follow along. This is not an attack on the animation, I genuinely found it felt off and was too much. This could be due to the directing style overstimulating me, I have autism, causing me to struggle to properly absorb what was on screen. So, I apologies if this post is nonsense and I have missed blatant details.

The main appeal of the second season, for the majority, would be the fight scenes. But what makes them compelling to so many?

Frequently, I've witnessed fans proclaim that great action scenes can make up for sub-par characters and monotonous storytelling. But are action scenes not made by the structure, the story, on which they stand? These moments can, and should strive to, be more than superficial spectacle. They are a chance of showcasing the conflict of character relationships and their breaking points. A chance to display profound disagreements on ideologies. A chance to exhibit tremendous conviction.
A debate without words, but movement.

Berserk spoilers in example:

I struggle to see this in JJK. There is little to dig into beyond the spectacle. I didn't watch this expecting it to be some deep, complex, and philosophical story that will enlighten me on existence. But I'd be lying if said I wasn't expecting something more... substantial.

Am I simply blind to the depth of the work?
Can you provide me examples of what makes the action great?
I just want to understand the appeal. The absurd love of the series is fascinating.

it's understandable the action may not be to everyone's liking. There are millions who the action appeals to, there are millions who love the animation, including me. That doesn't mean everyone liked it. I for one didn't feel like watching a fight again to understand it.

Jan 26, 2024 1:59 AM

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psykixk said:
Fuji v mahito is literally one of the most layered fights in new gen shounen that was set up since the arc mahito was introduced to in season 1. if you dont see the context behind the other fights in the season then maybe you just need to rewatch it, its not rly that hard to grasp but since its not in your face like other shone abt the plot lines it relies on the viewer to actually pay attention to things which is a proven scarcity in this day n age.

I dropped the show as this fight began. I wasn't a fan of the portrayal of good and evil. Mahito came across as evil for the sake of it and I vehemently detested seeing him on screen. Not a good hate, but the sort of hate that made me want to stop watching the show.

So I can't comment on the potential nuance of this fight.

Jan 26, 2024 2:10 AM

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Abysss_ said:

psykixk said:
Fuji v mahito is literally one of the most layered fights in new gen shounen that was set up since the arc mahito was introduced to in season 1. if you dont see the context behind the other fights in the season then maybe you just need to rewatch it, its not rly that hard to grasp but since its not in your face like other shone abt the plot lines it relies on the viewer to actually pay attention to things which is a proven scarcity in this day n age.

I dropped the show as this fight began. I wasn't a fan of the portrayal of good and evil. Mahito came across as evil for the sake of it and I vehemently detested seeing him on screen. Not a good hate, but the sort of hate that made me want to stop watching the show.

So I can't comment on the potential nuance of this fight.

And the little, of the fight, that I did see, I wouldn't exactly call subtle storytelling. The potential impact of the fight is mostly flattened due to the way the story has unfolded. Up to this point most of the major events of shibuya have felt like plot devices to develop Yuji, something I don't appreciate. E.g. The destruction of Shibuya, Nobara's death, Nanami's death.

So, from what I saw, this fight was going in the direction of further breaking down Yuji, by presenting his similarities to Mahito. But at this point I feel as if enough has already happened. So much of the arc has felt uneccesary, particularly the deaths. Little beyond shock value.

I'm sure there is value in the fight. Most likely a demonstration of the changes in Yuji's characters portrayed through how he uses violence. But I'm rambling on about a fight I haven't even properly seen, so I'll stop here.

Jan 26, 2024 3:00 AM

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Everyday there’s a new post on JJK about: “oh the action/animation is garbage, i was expecting more, anime in the 90’s is still the best, i don’t get why people like JJK”

Bro we get it, you don’t like modern anime and you prefer a deeper story, just go watch Steins;Gate or FMAB. Yall don’t need to constantly bash this show bc it’s popular or it’s not your cup of tea. It doesn’t make you guys cool or different bc you don’t like one of the most popular series out there

It’s popular for a reason, bc it’s good. Just deal with it and move on

Jan 26, 2024 3:07 AM

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Fuji v mahito is literally one of the most layered fights in new gen shounen that was set up since the arc mahito was introduced to in season 1. if you dont see the context behind the other fights in the season then maybe you just need to rewatch it, its not rly that hard to grasp but since its not in your face like other shone abt the plot lines it relies on the viewer to actually pay attention to things which is a proven scarcity in this day n age.

@psykixk I also do not appreciate the infantilising tone to your text.

You claim the fight is layered yet fail to articulate on your point. You provide no reasons. You provide no examples. I am completely happy to admit I am wrong about the depth of the fights, but as of this moment your opinion lack substance.

Writing in such a way will leave you with not so much as a single person to take you seriously. I strongly suggest you evaluate yourself.

Jan 26, 2024 3:17 AM

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I hate overdone camera work and overblown colors, too but thats what other people like dude. Its called being a different person.

@DGemu I created this post to learn and understand differing perspectives, so leaving it as something to ignore and simply accept is dull. The reasons why we feel differently is what's interesting, to me.

Jan 26, 2024 3:32 AM

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part of why the animation is hard to follow is the censorship rules of dimming and ghosting plus this person https://myanimelist.net/people/51884/Teppei_Itou is bad at compositing

Jan 26, 2024 9:26 AM

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@psykixk I also do not appreciate the infantilising tone to your text.

You claim the fight is layered yet fail to articulate on your point. You provide no reasons. You provide no examples. I am completely happy to admit I am wrong about the depth of the fights, but as of this moment your opinion lack substance.

Writing in such a way will leave you with not so much as a single person to take you seriously. I strongly suggest you evaluate yourself.

@Abysss_ did you miss mahito's entire introduction? mahito is a curse born from human disdain. he's a complete foil to the words that Yuji's grandpa cursed him with. senseless killing v senseless saving, not even good v bad, just two ideals set up against each other. its about Yuji breaking free from the ideal that he has cursed himself with, and to make the viewers realize that this isn't a story where there are unbreakable truths or ideals that will overpower "evil". I also dont gaf about how you feel regarding how I talk to you, be glad your even taken seriously, you literally sound like any person who's not willing to actually engage with the story and instead resort to making reductionist statements to cope with the fact that you can't consume media like a vegetable. you're not unique or smart for making basic statements without actually presenting your reasoning and its even funnier given the fact that you mention stuff that you've completely missed while watching claiming it lacked that thing.

Abysss_ said:
They are a chance of showcasing the conflict of character relationships and their breaking points. A chance to display profound disagreements on ideologies

youre laughably ironic. mahito is everything that you complained the story lacked, it's insane. dont backtrack.

Jan 26, 2024 10:38 AM

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@Abysss_ did you miss mahito's entire introduction? mahito is a curse born from human disdain. he's a complete foil to the words that Yuji's grandpa cursed him with. senseless killing v senseless saving, not even good v bad, just two ideals set up against each other. its about Yuji breaking free from the ideal that he has cursed himself with, and to make the viewers realize that this isn't a story where there are unbreakable truths or ideals that will overpower "evil". I also dont gaf about how you feel regarding how I talk to you, be glad your even taken seriously, you literally sound like any person who's not willing to actually engage with the story and instead resort to making reductionist statements to cope with the fact that you can't consume media like a vegetable. you're not unique or smart for making basic statements without actually presenting your reasoning and its even funnier given the fact that you mention stuff that you've completely missed while watching claiming it lacked that thing.

Abysss_ said:
They are a chance of showcasing the conflict of character relationships and their breaking points. A chance to display profound disagreements on ideologies

youre laughably ironic. mahito is everything that you complained the story lacked, it's insane. dont backtrack.

I understood everything you stated about Mahito already. I am not arguing he IS evil for the sake of it - I did state "he CAME ACROSS as evil for the sake of it". Although, he is ,fundamentally, the concept of evil, with him being born of human disdain. I'm talking about the presentation and how it came across to me. As viewers we are allowed to make our own interpretations. We are allowed to feel certain ways about parts of the story.

You have explained a confrontation of their, very obvious, surface level ideologies, that is not much. Remember, I'm, mainly, only going off what you have said. (I wouldn't even say their ideologies are all that well explored, for me at least).You could take the idea of senseless saving as a criticism of battle shounen, satirising it, but such an argument falls flat when viewing the series as a whole. This is what I mean by depth. A confrontation of ideals that explores themes and could provide social commentary. I'll admit there are flaws in my post. I failed to properly articulate what I prefer and look for.

Even if Mahito's fight was the pinnacle of writing, that doesn't change the fact that there are all the other episodes of the Shibuya Arc. That is just a handfull episodes. That can't make up for an entire arc.

I want to drop this discussion of Mahito's fight as, like I have stated, I dropped the show at the start of the confrontation so I'm unable to give a nuanced opinion on it. But from what you have said it does seem this conflict may be leaning towards what I want, but I have no intentions of returning to it. Personally, action easily bores - and rarely entertains me.

Now the use of "vegetable". I did explain I have autism, which is a disability. So yeah....
I know you don't care but please stop hurling your vomit disguised as words at me. I sincerely hope you can grow as a person. Become someone kind.

Anyway, what if someone had severe learning difficulties and they only wished to understand a series. You are being beyond vile.

I agree, I provided no reasons for my personal feelings. But you have missed the entire point of the post. This is a question for those who love the series. To explain why they love it. It's not about why I dislike it. I want to understand you.
If you wanted to know why I dislike it you could have simply politely asked. Looking back, maybe, it would have been best to create a section on why I personally have a distaste for the work, I apologies for not doing that.

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Jan 26, 2024 10:50 AM

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psykixk said:
@Abysss_ did you miss mahito's entire introduction? mahito is a curse born from human disdain. he's a complete foil to the words that Yuji's grandpa cursed him with. senseless killing v senseless saving, not even good v bad, just two ideals set up against each other. its about Yuji breaking free from the ideal that he has cursed himself with, and to make the viewers realize that this isn't a story where there are unbreakable truths or ideals that will overpower "evil". I also dont gaf about how you feel regarding how I talk to you, be glad your even taken seriously, you literally sound like any person who's not willing to actually engage with the story and instead resort to making reductionist statements to cope with the fact that you can't consume media like a vegetable. you're not unique or smart for making basic statements without actually presenting your reasoning and its even funnier given the fact that you mention stuff that you've completely missed while watching claiming it lacked that thing.

Abysss_ said:
They are a chance of showcasing the conflict of character relationships and their breaking points. A chance to display profound disagreements on ideologies

youre laughably ironic. mahito is everything that you complained the story lacked, it's insane. dont backtrack.

I understood everything you stated about Mahito already. I am not arguing he IS evil for the sake of it - I did state "he CAME ACROSS as evil for the sake of it". Although, he is ,fundamentally, the concept of evil, with him being born of human disdain. I'm talking about the presentation and how it came across to me. As viewers we are allowed to make our own interpretations. We are allowed to feel certain ways about parts of the story.

You have explained a confrontation of their, very obvious, surface level ideologies, that is not much. Remember, I'm, mainly, only going off what you have said. (I wouldn't even say their ideologies are all that well explored, for me at least).You could take the idea of senseless saving as a criticism of battle shounen, satirising it, but such an argument falls flat when viewing the series as a whole. This is what I mean by depth. A confrontation of ideals that explores themes and could provide social commentary. I'll admit there are flaws in my post. I failed to properly articulate what I prefer and look for.

Even if Mahito's fight was the pinnacle of writing, that doesn't change the fact that there are all the other episodes of the Shibuya Arc. That is just a handfull episodes. That can't make up for an entire arc.

I want to drop this discussion of Mahito's fight as, like I have stated, I dropped the show at the start of the confrontation so I'm unable to give a nuanced opinion on it. But from what you have said it does seem this conflict may be leaning towards what I want, but I have no intentions of returning to it. Personally, action easily bores - and rarely entertains me.

Now the use of "vegetable". I did explain I have autism, which is a disability. So yeah....
I know you don't care but please stop hurling your vomit disguised as words at me. I sincerely hope you can grow as a person. Become someone kind.

Anyway, what if someone had severe learning difficulties and they only wished to understand a series. You are being beyond vile.

I agree, I provided no reasons for my personal feelings. But you have missed the entire point of the post. This is a question for those who love the series. To explain why they love it. It's not about why I dislike it. I want to understand you.
If you wanted to know why I dislike it you could have simply politely asked. Looking back, maybe, it would have been best to create a section on why I personally have a distaste for the work, I apologies for not doing that.

@Abysss_ Im not taking you serious when you have neon emo genesis which is just a mid version of gurren lagann and crybaby madoka magica a 10. Its clear you like the more feminine shows that anime has to offer. People like JJK cause its catered towards men who like hot blooded action. Stay mad

Jan 26, 2024 11:06 AM

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@Abysss_ Im not taking you serious when you have neon emo genesis which is just a mid version of gurren lagann and crybaby madoka magica a 10. Its clear you like the more feminine shows that anime has to offer. People like JJK cause its catered towards men who like hot blooded action. Stay mad

Understandable opinion of Evangelion. I'd argue to get the true experience you need to have dealt with mental health issues. There a lot of flaws, but it's very special to me.

You are completely correct. I love what is deemed as feminine stuff. Masculinity can piss off.

Guess what. You'll love this.

I bawled my eyes out at the end of Madoka Magica and Evangelion. And I'm a guy. Who would have thought. Men with emotions?

There must be something wrong with me.

Ooooh another one
I love baking. And I'm a guy. Who would have thought. A man in the kitchen. Society will surely collapse.

But don't worry I am still a man. I'm bisexual. I'm attracted to penis. There's nothing more manly than having male genitalia in your mouth.

Jan 26, 2024 1:54 PM

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OP calmly explained why he disliked this season in the most benign manner, and simply wants to understand why the fans feel differently. He isn't hating on JJK or seeking attention because his thoughts oppose the popular opinion. My own feelings are quite similar. I also find the overwhelming praise for season 2 interesting. There are many aspects I can see as to why it appeals to such a wide auidence, but hearing from actual fans is more productive. Like Abysss, I'm also freely open to hearing contrasting views in hope of enlightenment, or on the off chance that it possibly even changes my own.

And yet, he still gets attacked by some for having the audacity of not liking what they like. Good job, guys.

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OP calmly explained why he disliked this season in the most benign manner, and simply wants to understand why the fans feel differently. He isn't hating on JJK or seeking attention because his thoughts oppose the popular opinion. My own feelings are quite similar. I also find the overwhelming praise for season 2 interesting. There are many aspects I can see as to why it appeals to such a wide auidence, but hearing from actual fans is more productive. Like Abysss, I'm also freely open to hearing contrasting views in hope of enlightenment, or on the off chance that it possibly even changes my own.

And yet, he still gets attacked by some for having the audacity of not liking what they like. Good job, guys.

@Pyro Dear Diary. Sorry kid this isnt tumbler no need to write a essay on your feels . Just admit you dont connect with testosterone inducing anime

Jan 26, 2024 7:08 PM

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@Pyro Dear Diary. Sorry kid this isnt tumbler no need to write a essay on your feels . Just admit you dont connect with testosterone inducing anime

@Gitown234 Let's be real, rookie. You wouldn't know a testosterone-fueled anime if it kicked you in the balls.

Jan 27, 2024 1:44 PM

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@Pyro Dear Diary. Sorry kid this isnt tumbler no need to write a essay on your feels . Just admit you dont connect with testosterone inducing anime

@Gitown234 Wow, this really comes across as a projection your own insecurities.

Please, for your own good, stop, you are embarrassing yourself.

I'd suggest examining the media and information you consume, and the people you associate with. You have an immensely unhealth mindset.

Jan 27, 2024 2:08 PM

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Everyday there’s a new post on JJK about: “oh the action/animation is garbage, i was expecting more, anime in the 90’s is still the best, i don’t get why people like JJK”

Bro we get it, you don’t like modern anime and you prefer a deeper story, just go watch Steins;Gate or FMAB. Yall don’t need to constantly bash this show bc it’s popular or it’s not your cup of tea. It doesn’t make you guys cool or different bc you don’t like one of the most popular series out there

It’s popular for a reason, bc it’s good. Just deal with it and move on

@KarateJones Sorry if this comes across as rude, but, and I'm genuinely asking, did you read the post?
I spoke regarding my personal feelings and asked for an explanation of what makes the action great to you, the fans.

I am speaking with unfeigned curiosity.

I refuse to accept your statement of popularity being indicative of quality. Blind less acceptance of your surroundings is not an option. Without questioning and learning how are we, society, able to progress - whether that is art, science, politics etc.

Jan 27, 2024 5:34 PM

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Abysss_ said:
@KarateJones Sorry if this comes across as rude, but, and I'm genuinely asking, did you read the post?
I spoke regarding my personal feelings and asked for an explanation of what makes the action great to you, the fans.

I am speaking with unfeigned curiosity.

I refuse to accept your statement of popularity being indicative of quality. Blind less acceptance of your surroundings is not an option. Without questioning and learning how are we, society, able to progress - whether that is art, science, politics etc.

My apologies, it seemed like another routine post trying to diminish the show.

But to answer your question, no the fights aren’t deep or philosophical in any sense whatsoever. It’s as simple as 2 characters with unique & amazing abilities duking it out

It’s not meant to be awakening or thought-provoking. It’s merely a shonen anime (created by a rookie mangaka at that) that was created to be entertaining to the average consumer.

Imo it has some of the best fights I’ve seen in any anime. It’s flashy, it’s riveting, they all have unique abilities, the stakes are always high bc anybody can kick the bucket at any moment, it’s not like 95% of shows where the winner is easily predictable

Jan 28, 2024 2:42 AM

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There are two problems I noticed with JJK S2's animation, but they aren't very extreme:

1. Slow Motion. There are arguably more slow motion compared to season 1, and it can become excessive. Sometimes this could be a pain where you just want some fluid action but then the slow motion ruins it.

2. Camera angle switches. Most notably Yuji vs Choso, but also exists in other episodes. The camera angle would constantly be all over the place and quite hard to follow unless your paying attention.

Itsuki >

Jan 28, 2024 12:17 PM

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I did not read any comments (they are all very long and I am too tired to read a small essay)

In short, it flows pretty well, has some slow-mo in it which I think gives you a reprieve to absorb everything, the scale and visuals are an eye feast

Jan 28, 2024 12:59 PM

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deg said:
part of why the animation is hard to follow is the censorship rules of dimming and ghosting plus this person https://myanimelist.net/people/51884/Teppei_Itou is bad at compositing

oh it's deg. you know 4 years ago i would've agreed with you about Itou and his compositing. but since jjk s1, which if I'm remembering correctly was his first time as DOP, he has significantly and rapidly improved with every project hes worked on. and he can only get better from here.

Jan 28, 2024 4:04 PM

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The animation is often hard to follow, with it's intent, i completely agree, people are just overhyping it don't get me wrong it's good but not really that unique (talking only about the animation not the series). I think the last fight scene and choso plus itadori fight scene is quite nice.

Jan 28, 2024 5:00 PM

#31

OrbitalForce

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Good animation is derived on whether it handles physics (or the perception of it) well. If it's good, it give an "oomph" if yk what I mean.
It also has to be easy to understand what is going on in the scene.
Personally, I find no problem seeing what's going on in the fight scenes. It looks really good.
If you're talking about blurring, Blu-ray cuts out the blurring. They do it because of concerns for epilepsy

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Jan 29, 2024 1:56 AM

#32

dump1iNG

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Damn i thought i was the only one who found jjks hard to follow

Jan 29, 2024 11:11 AM

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Abysss_ said:
One point I must make is that I found the animation hard to follow along. This is not an attack on the animation, I genuinely found it felt off and was too much. This could be due to the directing style overstimulating me, I have autism, causing me to struggle to properly absorb what was on screen. So, I apologies if this post is nonsense and I have missed blatant details.

The main appeal of the second season, for the majority, would be the fight scenes. But what makes them compelling to so many?

Frequently, I've witnessed fans proclaim that great action scenes can make up for sub-par characters and monotonous storytelling. But are action scenes not made by the structure, the story, on which they stand? These moments can, and should strive to, be more than superficial spectacle. They are a chance of showcasing the conflict of character relationships and their breaking points. A chance to display profound disagreements on ideologies. A chance to exhibit tremendous conviction.
A debate without words, but movement.

Here's a well known example - Berserk spoilers:

I struggle to see this in JJK. There is little to dig into beyond the spectacle. I didn't watch this expecting it to be some deep, complex, and philosophical story that will enlighten me on existence. But I'd be lying if said I wasn't expecting something more... substantial.

Am I simply blind to the depth of the work?
Can you provide me examples of what makes the action great?
I just want to understand the appeal. The absurd love of the series is fascinating.

EDIT:
Sorry, I failed to mention that I have not properly seen Yuji and Mahito's fight, so please refrain from using it as an example.

I mean I haven’t read far enough in Berserk to comment on your example, but I do agree that the action scenes in JJK are a bit overrated, Give Mappa credit for producing well animated sequences even if they are hard to follow at times. Some are actually good from the most recent season I liked the concept of the Mahito vs Yuji. Choso vs Yuji was genuinely breathtaking to watch, but like almost all the fights to start the Sabuya incident arc are mostly pointless besides build up. Sakuna vs Jogo turned into a mess.

Overall The problem with JJK fights definitely isn’t the animation, or the set pieces, or even choreography, it’s just that JJK’s writing is pretty average at best so you’re just not as invested into every fight, combine this with too big of a cast of characters and you end up feeling more underwhelmed than you expected. And I liked JJK S2.

Jan 29, 2024 11:35 AM

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Abysss_ said:
One point I must make is that I found the animation hard to follow along. This is not an attack on the animation, I genuinely found it felt off and was too much. This could be due to the directing style overstimulating me, I have autism, causing me to struggle to properly absorb what was on screen. So, I apologies if this post is nonsense and I have missed blatant details.

The main appeal of the second season, for the majority, would be the fight scenes. But what makes them compelling to so many?

Frequently, I've witnessed fans proclaim that great action scenes can make up for sub-par characters and monotonous storytelling. But are action scenes not made by the structure, the story, on which they stand? These moments can, and should strive to, be more than superficial spectacle. They are a chance of showcasing the conflict of character relationships and their breaking points. A chance to display profound disagreements on ideologies. A chance to exhibit tremendous conviction.
A debate without words, but movement.

Here's a well known example - Berserk spoilers:

I struggle to see this in JJK. There is little to dig into beyond the spectacle. I didn't watch this expecting it to be some deep, complex, and philosophical story that will enlighten me on existence. But I'd be lying if said I wasn't expecting something more... substantial.

Am I simply blind to the depth of the work?
Can you provide me examples of what makes the action great?
I just want to understand the appeal. The absurd love of the series is fascinating.

EDIT:
Sorry, I failed to mention that I have not properly seen Yuji and Mahito's fight, so please refrain from using it as an example.

bro, my English ain't that good but I will try my best to keep this short and simple and not waste much of my time and yours.
1-> the animation isn't that hard to follow nor is it bad or ugly looking from a technical standpoint. I don't really know how people with autism perceive media as I have not yet met a person with autism throughout my life so it's difficult for me to understand how you perceive the action sequences. And also I too found myself replaying for a few instances in the middle of an action sequence most of it was from sukuna vs mahoraga and Yuji vs mahito, and I also I'd like to mention that the artstyle has changed considering the previous season and the movie it's a lot simplistic and manga accurate with less shadow and dark shades (for which most part I think is to balance between the animating and also minding the release schedule, easier the pictures to draw the faster the work is done) and also because of the tough working condition animation at times looked a bit janky but not overly janky considering that almost all the major modern anime were being animated by mappa from CSM to VINLAND SAGA and also a few comercial project like that one anime about cooking food with the ingredients from a magical online grocery store in an isekai, don't get me wrong but had some genuinely impressive animation and also the studio taking part in behind the scenes work of other major studios like A-1 and cloverworks (there is huge list but I found them working mostly for these). So they had to compromise the animation part that even the one of the modern goat of animation Vincent had to submit an incomplete fight sequence (sukuna vs mahoraga)
2-> the fights here don't carry much deep meaning except the Yuji vs Choso in the public restroom sequence, one where I was somehow able to read an entire foreshadowed story of the fight between two brothers and each punch and jabs packed an entire level of emotions of avenging their fallen brothers/making sure that they fulfill the promise they gave to their loved ones (family member). Other than that most of the fights are just there for the sake of moving the plot and for the sake of its main genre action which I think the studio managed to pull off pretty decent. Now I'm continuing the story in the manga and not gonna lie the fights in the manga are pretty tough to make out or make sense of, so I think the directors and the studio managed to pull off bangers and bangers of action each episode simplifying it as much as possible while also not losing its complexity.

And once again I'm genuinely sorry if u had a stroke reading the entire thing english ain't my 1st language and I haven't spoken or typed anything that requires this amount of sentences and words for a pretty long time.

Jan 29, 2024 9:25 PM

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Everyday there’s a new post on JJK about: “oh the action/animation is garbage, i was expecting more, anime in the 90’s is still the best, i don’t get why people like JJK”

Bro we get it, you don’t like modern anime and you prefer a deeper story, just go watch Steins;Gate or FMAB. Yall don’t need to constantly bash this show bc it’s popular or it’s not your cup of tea. It doesn’t make you guys cool or different bc you don’t like one of the most popular series out there

It’s popular for a reason, bc it’s good. Just deal with it and move on

@KarateJones Definitely not popular "because it's good". A lot of popular things are bad and mid actually. Nice analysis lol.

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Jan 30, 2024 7:21 AM

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grebun said:
@KarateJones Definitely not popular "because it's good". A lot of popular things are bad and mid actually. Nice analysis lol.

Nah bro don’t come at me with that. First off, check my other analysis since you want something in-depth.

Secondly: your statement is just false. In order for a show to become top 15 in all-time popularity, it’s gonna have to be good at something. Show me an example that proves otherwise.

And lastly: jjk score is rated top 100 all-time according to MAL. Yall haters just be talking out yalls ass atp.

Feb 1, 2024 12:48 AM

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Honestly it's mostly newcomer anime viewers who praise JJK. The animation is genuinely hard to follow and somehow that excites them? Every Mappa production till now that uses these crazy headache inducing camera angles in fights has been the most forgetful thing I've ever seen. Because they're not trying to sell you a story. They're trying to sell you their animation. It's like James Cameron's new Avatar movie. It's a 3 hour show off session with little to no plot. Can't fault them for it tho can we?

Feb 2, 2024 9:31 AM

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Honestly it's mostly newcomer anime viewers who praise JJK. The animation is genuinely hard to follow and somehow that excites them? Every Mappa production till now that uses these crazy headache inducing camera angles in fights has been the most forgetful thing I've ever seen. Because they're not trying to sell you a story. They're trying to sell you their animation. It's like James Cameron's new Avatar movie. It's a 3 hour show off session with little to no plot. Can't fault them for it tho can we?

@Otaku_4511 i can understand where you are coming from honestly i ain't mad cause after seeing your fav anime i know u enjoy a longer, a bit more direct action, not too many cuts between each punch/kick/attack in ur action sequences which most of ur fav anime has and still have even to this day.
But the only problem with your statement is that the fights are forgetful part and i think its just you (no offense) also when u said they are not trying to sell you a story like wdym "not trying to sell you a story"?!! have u seen CSM even if it has intense action sequences most of them are pretty damn short lasting for a maximum of 5 min as far as i remember, what happened to the rest of the 17 min per episode? there are 2-3 episodes as exception which had like almost 3-5 action sequences. And fym every mappa production has headache inducing camera angles did u forget about vinland, AoT, jigokuraku? As far as i remember these shows had prolly the most plain yet beautifully animated fight sequences that don't use over the top action sequence almost all the camera movements and angles in these anime are ur simple traditional og anime style. And also one more thing mappa aint the only one that produces action sequences that give 'crazy headache inducing fights' there is studio bones, A-1 pictures, Ufotable (they rarely use this type of action sequence), toei (DB might not have those but some recent one piece episodes had been going crazy with the angles), studio perriot (how could u forget the madara vs the entire ninja army??!!!). The main reason u could not follow the fight sequences because of the tight schedule which brought to action sequences being incomplete, and also the fight panels in the manga are already super hard to make out in the first place so i think the anime does a decent job of maintaining the complexity of the fight scene in the manga but only it could be better if given more time.

Feb 4, 2024 4:10 AM

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I actually quite enjoyed CSM. Some action sequences had the weird camera angles but overall there is a story there.

I meant all Mappa productions WITH THE ANGLES have been hard to follow, not general. Vinland had the Wit Studio staff anyways and yeah super easy to follow.

Ufotable in their FATE series had this problem every now and then in the movie trilogy but nothing too bad. I think they did a much more decent job in Demon Slayer (could be due to different staff).

I get what you mean I guess if the MANGA ITSELF is hard to follow + production problems, this had to happen.

Feb 5, 2024 3:00 PM

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The fight choreography is generally very good and at times quite creative. Of course there's still a few clichés here and there, but overall JJK's fights (especially in season two) were exciting to watch.

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