About Ymir's character as an individual (theories may contain spoilers)

Wintersbloom said:
Personally, I love the idea that the whole cycle could begin again, as if the memory paths were not only immovable and intertwined but looped.

As for the pigs, I think it's plausible she was meant to let them out and be accused so that everything could take place. Just like Eren was forced to act in order for someone at the end to find a similar tree and begin again a similar story with other people living through the same memories. I believe she knew she was supposed to free the pigs (whether from a dream of a future memory or not idk since she had no powers at the time).

Definitely an interesting character imo.

Aug1799 said:
Note: The first line itself has the biggest spoiler



Also there's the scene depicted where she opens the gate to some pigs, what was that? So she wasn't actually wrongfully accused? Did she actually open the pigs and let them roam free? Did she gave Stockholm syndrome or something?

Also the end where in the post credits scene, there was a giant tree and a girl walks in. Are we to infer that another person went in and just ended up repeating the whole Titan situation again?

Jazz421 said:

I believe that Ymir let the pigs out because of her own desire for freedom. She thought she could at least help them to be free, but she was discovered.

Aug1799 said:

but if that were to happen it's a bit sad huh?

all those PPL died, all those sacrifices, all that suffering just for a brief period of peace...

As for the pigs, after some thought, my personal theory is, she maybe did it to gain Fritz's attention.

ghier said:
I’m still unconvinced that her motivation even makes sense … who sets out to make something happen, which you can already see, just so you can see it again and it have some effect on you?

Aug1799 said:

yup that's exactly what i felt too. imagine saying, i cant climb a mountain but if you climb it for me in my stead I'll be as happy as if I'd climbed it myself.

that wouldn't make any sense

ghier said:

That too, yeah.

Also, didn’t she kind of already move on from her Stockholm syndrome when Eren came into the picture? She started ignoring the will of the royal family and pushed her own agenda with the Rumbling and Eren

TheSomeoneOP said:
I don't wish to participate in the convo but Who TF cares about Spoilers anymore? what are you waiting for? The English dub? bruh

Aug1799 said:

well it seems according to various popular interpretation, as Mikasa States herself that the headaches she would experience were caused by Ymir. Mikasa says - "it was you wasn't it? the one who constantly peeked into my head?"

So it seems Ymir was always fascinated by Mikasa since she saw herself in her..... but yup she's definitely pathetic for using eren and Mikasa just to satisfy her own personal agenda of gratification.

If you think about it from one pov, the irony is she did so much for Fritz's love but never got it, while at the same time she trampled on eren and Mikasa's love by giving them an ultimatum and forcing them to make a decision that she couldn't. which is exactly why i find her to be disgusting.

or maybe somewhere deep inside I just can't accept the fact that Mikasa had to make such a heartbreaking choice and I'm just putting it all on Ymir so that I can vent my frustration

Of all PPL why did it have to be Mikasa!!!!
It's just.... sad....

ghier said:

Tbh, I just don’t care about her because I think her motivation is nonsensical. She feels more like a plot convenience than an actual character after the ending.

Aug1799 said:

I mean it is his story after all, isayama planned to use Ymir's character in that way. But that's just how i see it.

I know you're entitled to your opinion as well, and i respect that.

Aug1799 said:
Note: The first line itself has the biggest spoiler



Also there's the scene depicted where she opens the gate to some pigs, what was that? So she wasn't actually wrongfully accused? Did she actually open the pigs and let them roam free? Did she gave Stockholm syndrome or something?

Also the end where in the post credits scene, there was a giant tree and a girl walks in. Are we to infer that another person went in and just ended up repeating the whole Titan situation again?

ANIk_003 said:

First of all let me say - King Fritz is the most Disgusting 🤮 character in the whole series.
Well all of your questions got answered, none the less if you think Ymir is the most disgusting charecter in the whole series then as a moral point of view - Yes! She didn't thought of any greater good and used her power under the most selfish and rotten person like a slave as she loved him.
But after her death after 2000 years she wanted to see what Mikasa does. This is not so disgusting, I would compare it with the feelings Annie felt when she refused to go along with them, she was too tired of these Titan things. She sought no hatred, she didn't wanted to confront Eren.

Aug1799 said:

2000 years later imagine you're just the foil of some weird helpless love crazed woman's salvation for which you watch your friends die, give up your love and ultimately die yourself.

I realise the end is logical and everything but it's just sad you know?

ANIk_003 said:

Yes Ymir's charecter is kind of hopeless, which was supposed to be the case also.
Yes the ending was sad, we are humans after all, we watch series to get rid of the realities at some degree. But AoT provides the exact harsh truth in front of us, and despite the stroy being great, it doesn't try to provide us the satisfaction. The only solace is that Eren and Mikasa's effort made it possible to end the Titan Power for good.
Also I hate the fact that Iseyama dragged the Titan powers again at the end to show us the cycle of war and hatred, but totally took the meaning and satisfaction out of the ending, I mean come on, at Season 4 it became clear that Titan power will be inferior to Human Weapons. Actually that makes much more sense, without the shear number of the Rumbling Titans from the Walls(Which is no more present) Titan Power stood no chance. I'm trying to say humans are more than enough to repeat the cycle themselves, no Titan plz.

Fuhrer_Wrath said:
@Aug1799 I don't think most abusive relationships are driven by helplessness.

A lot of the time there are adult women who are in relationships. Adult women who can end the relationship at any time but they don't out of some misplaced sense of loyalty or love driven by their owj psychological issues.

More often than not such women require external help to break away from such relationships and require psychological help even after that to break away from the mind set of just accepting abuse.

I get that you don't see Ymir that way.

But that's my interpretation of it. Ymir definitely was selfish. And her driving force was what she perceived to be love for Ymir.
But for the reason her driving force was a perceived sense of love for an abusive monster was because of her extremely abusive upbringing.

Which to me makes her as much a victim as she is a perpetrator.