| the old evil itachi in the og naruto is the best itachi, eps 81-85 we're so good. I don't know if the plot twist was planned, it seemed unlikely but I prefer itachi evil than the wise leaf shinobi |
| Sometimes you need to sacrifice few lives to save thousands. |
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| well, i think some people like characters because they're conflicting and gray shaded? i sure do. not every character needs to be a saint for the audience to like them. |
| You’ve opened my mind, I’ll never like a villainous character again. I shouldn’t like bad guy cuz that’s not good. (This is fiction btw.) Trying to break this down between “actions are justified” and “scum” is so disingenuous it’s funny. If this a troll, mighty good job. |
itazuko said: That's completely your subjective opinion, since there is no objective moral truth the morality of itachi's decision remains subjective. If you're an utilitarianist you might consider itachi's decision as being justified since if a war were to break out more people would have died, if you're a deontologist you might consider it unjustifiable simply because a deontologist doesn't see any moral value in the consequences of actions but in the action itself, and since itachi killed innocent people a deontologist would obviously consider it immoral. My stance on this is that of an utilitarian, what itachi did was cruel but his intention was to reduce the number of victims, which he most likely did. looks like we've got a philosophy student here huh? Very nicely articulated |
| I always cringe when people attempt to justify Itachi's actions. And don't give me that "but the lives of the many outweigh the lives of the few!!!" crap. Itachi murdering his own family members just to avoid a war further down the line doesn't negate the fact that he literally massacred his clan. Murder is never justified unless it's in self-defense imo. The folks who defend Itachi's mass murdering ways remind me of the Light Yagami stans who still believe that what he did was right. |
CHAD ehm i mean great shinobi that made both hard and bad choices but with an unbased fandom imo🤝 |
PastUchiha98Dec 11, 2023 12:37 PM
| Feel pain, think about pain, accept pain, know pain... Shinra Tensei! |
Akilis93 said: they would. look at sasuke. What happen when Itachi saved but one child? that child went for a revenge. What would happen if he spared all children? even bigger mess. The point was to eradicate whole clan, to stop the cycle Agreed Baka . As Tanya Says The People That You Left Today Will Pickup Their Gun To Shoot Us Tomorrow . Either You Shoot Untill You Get Order Not To Baka  |
MUGIWARA_0001 said: Akilis93 said: depends how you look at it. is killing 100 people a bad thing if it saves another 2000? Or is letting them fight to the death and letting like 1000 ppl die from war. would you kill one terrorist by your hand if it would save your whole family? would you become a murderer who saved whole family? ask yourself that his point is why he killed children, women and elders? they were not going to attack konaha.. if i understood.. The elders may plot, the women may have more warriors, and the children will grow up to consummate their revenge. Konoha failed in its process of unifying the clans, what we watch in the series was the conclusion of the war. Whether you like Itachi or not, that massacre was going to happen just as well or worse, Itachi was convinced that his sacrifice prevented a greater evil. He was young and strong, but he lacked the knowledge to resolve the conflict any other way. In addition, it was in Danzō's interest that this massacre occur. I particularly prefer the bad ones out of selfishness. Orochimaru is my favorite character. I don't see why you can't like a character even though you know perfectly well that his actions are bad and unjustified. |
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Early_Morning said:
I always cringe when people attempt to justify Itachi's actions. And don't give me that "but the lives of the many outweigh the lives of the few!!!" crap. Itachi murdering his own family members just to avoid a war further down the line doesn't negate the fact that he literally massacred his clan. Murder is never justified unless it's in self-defense imo.
The folks who defend Itachi's mass murdering ways remind me of the Light Yagami stans who still believe that what he did was right.
I always cringe when people attempt to justify Itachi's actions. And don't give me that "but the lives of the many outweigh the lives of the few!!!" crap. Itachi murdering his own family members just to avoid a war further down the line doesn't negate the fact that he literally massacred his clan. Murder is never justified unless it's in self-defense imo.
The folks who defend Itachi's mass murdering ways remind me of the Light Yagami stans who still believe that what he did was right.
So u would rather thousands of people to die? Ok bro
| @Unkn0wnNnn Oh? So your argument is that people were going to die anyway, so Itachi killing his own people to avoid other people (most of whom were strangers to him) dying was justified? Are you seriously saying that if you had been in his shoes, you would've done the same thing to your own family to save the lives of complete strangers? Imo, the biggest problem with the massacre subplot is that we were told that Hiruzen wanted to settle things diplomatically but failed, which is stupid; all he had to do was name an Uchiha as his successor and that could've been enough to prevent the coup. Having Itachi (who had the Will of Fire and would've been the ideal candidate) or another notable Uchiha become the 5th Hokage would've appeased Fugaku and the other Uchiha who felt that the clan had been mistreated, yet apparently that solution wasn't even thought of in the source material. |
WematanyeDec 15, 2023 8:04 PM
| I always thought Itachi was a fascinating character! I don't know if his actions were justified, but I wouldn't call him scum either. From one perspective he is definitely a villain. But there is a lot of nuance to his character & story. |
| Yeah, I don't see him as a hero of any sort. Killing and turning your back on your own clan and family for corrupted leaders of the village? Nah. Even if the Uchihas were a threat, you don't do that to your flesh and blood. |
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