About geto's idea in ep 5

yoru987 said:

I mean that plan would entail killing EVERYONE who isn’t a sorcerer… just cause there’s some evil non-sorcerers hardly means that everyone deserves to or should die. Most people are neither good nor bad, like nanami told yuuji in s1. I think it’s obvious why most sorcerers weren’t on board with geto. No matter how painful jujutsu sorcery is, most would resign to just leaving that world altogether like nanami did initially rather than deciding everyone else should die.
To answer your other question, yea if somehow all or most strong sorcerers decided they would be alright with killing everyone I think they could do it. Unless the non-sorcery world could nuke them fast enough they’d probably be able to off normal people

yoru987 said:

I mean that plan would entail killing EVERYONE who isn’t a sorcerer… just cause there’s some evil non-sorcerers hardly means that everyone deserves to or should die. Most people are neither good nor bad, like nanami told yuuji in s1. I think it’s obvious why most sorcerers weren’t on board with geto. No matter how painful jujutsu sorcery is, most would resign to just leaving that world altogether like nanami did initially rather than deciding everyone else should die.
To answer your other question, yea if somehow all or most strong sorcerers decided they would be alright with killing everyone I think they could do it. Unless the non-sorcery world could nuke them fast enough they’d probably be able to off normal people

Ironman2255 said:
Bro, Getting inspired form Attack on Titan... 😆?

Arshi2282 said:
yeah i can kinda understand why they didn't want to kill everyone
But so is it ok for us to say that their emotions held them back to improve their life status?
Was it all because of their blind emotions?
So in the end was geto right?

yoru987 said:

I’m not sure if you’re being serious or not, but I’ll answer anyways I guess

I mean no, even if they were to do it, even IGNORING the fact that they would commit mass murder, which I think you’re underestimating the emotional toll it’d cause on sorcerers, cause it’s not like they are senseless murderers, it’s also not like they could do it consequence free. Non sorcerers would retaliate, and while the special grade sorcerers would probably not take much damage, lots of sorcerers would still die. Shoko is the only one we know that can heal others. Cause if u remember sorcerers only exist in Japan. So it’s basically 100 people against 8 billion. And one person that has a healing factor. So the odds kinda suck even w curses techniques. Also you don’t know what the sentient curses would do, like sukuna and mahito and the rest.

I would by no small measure say that geto was the one blinded by emotions. Not that I don’t empathize with him cause I do. But from my perspective there’s no denying that gojo’s perspective of generational change through education was superior to geto’s genocidal aspirations. Again, unless you are a senseless psychopath, mass murder will f you up mentally. So no, choosing against mass genocide doesn’t mean sorcerers chose based on “emotions”, it means they don’t wanna be mass murderers for the slight chance they might make a world full of just sorcerers. I also don’t think most of them would even want a world of just sorcerers but that’s a whole other convo

deg said:
to destroy is easy but to create is hard thats why the dark side is tempting

creating a better world for all is hard but its better for everyone so thats my choice

yoru987 said:

I’m not sure if you’re being serious or not, but I’ll answer anyways I guess

I mean no, even if they were to do it, even IGNORING the fact that they would commit mass murder, which I think you’re underestimating the emotional toll it’d cause on sorcerers, cause it’s not like they are senseless murderers, it’s also not like they could do it consequence free. Non sorcerers would retaliate, and while the special grade sorcerers would probably not take much damage, lots of sorcerers would still die. Shoko is the only one we know that can heal others. Cause if u remember sorcerers only exist in Japan. So it’s basically 100 people against 8 billion. And one person that has a healing factor. So the odds kinda suck even w curses techniques. Also you don’t know what the sentient curses would do, like sukuna and mahito and the rest.

I would by no small measure say that geto was the one blinded by emotions. Not that I don’t empathize with him cause I do. But from my perspective there’s no denying that gojo’s perspective of generational change through education was superior to geto’s genocidal aspirations. Again, unless you are a senseless psychopath, mass murder will f you up mentally. So no, choosing against mass genocide doesn’t mean sorcerers chose based on “emotions”, it means they don’t wanna be mass murderers for the slight chance they might make a world full of just sorcerers. I also don’t think most of them would even want a world of just sorcerers but that’s a whole other convo

Lightsrevenge said:

Yes they would be heavily outnumbered and even if they got Gojo on their side and even if they won. What happens next? They rebuild society, have children of their own and what happens if those children don’t have cursed energy? Not talking about heavenly pact just an ordinary child. Are they going to kill them too? There are too many flaws with Getos plan.

Arshi2282 said:
now that you mentioned thinking to the consequences of war and the fear created from it the curses themselves may gain a great power and destroy everything

You now i understand that geto is being emotional and he's hatred for non-sorcerers is leading him to his path but i really couldn't figure out if the emotions of him was leading him to the better results or those of other sorcerers

But i think they wouldn't have so much problem in that mass murder plan since they could kill many people without being recognized as the enemy

But i think i have found the main problem in my thinking cause I saw geto's way as the only way out

Probably i didn't even understand gojos solution

Can you explain how is he helping the situation

I thought he's trying to make more powerful students so they don't die but still it doesn't change the fact that they are all going to be in fight forever
Besides the curses are getting stronger alongside them and as far as i know there would be many new losses so i kinda can't understand his solution

yoru987 said:

I think the consequences of waging war on all non-sorcerers would ultimately undermine the initial goal to create a happier world for sorcerers. Thinking about it personally, if by the end of my journey I fulfill my genocidal dream but half of my peers died and the other half is either depressed, suicidal, or has completely renounced any semblance of humanity they had, makes me wonder what I even fought for. ( I think of Reiner from aot here for example) If everyone is too mentally distraught to even enjoy this new world of only jujutsu sorcerers, did I really win? Did I really achieve my goal? Idk, but I’d say no.

Now you could say that gojo alone could do it, but it’s just so far fetched for me to say that even if just gojo has sacrificed his humanity to make a world of only jujutsu sorcerers, the sorcerers would just nod and go along with it. Sure, they wouldn’t be able to stop him, but I’d figure they’d lose it to know gojo is killing the whole world for them to be “happy”. When they themselves don’t want everyone to get killed.

I do think your point about the horrors of war springing out more curses is such a valid point and a likely occurrence and BIG issues for the plan too.

And regarding what you were saying about gojo’s plan, it’s not like it’s a surefire plan either I’d say haahahaha. I think he’s just hoping that by raising strong sorcerers they’ll be better equipped with fighting curses, and by putting better people in charge of administrative decision they’ll implement systems that assure that less people end up in situations they cannot handle.

Gojo’s plan doesn’t really address the core issue of the curses. He merely wishes for the current system to be less corrupt basically. I think he holds hope that by cleaning up the way the jujutsu world operates fewer people would have to die. But yea, it doesn’t solve the issue of curses being born from human negative emotions. Which is probably it’s biggest downside, cause that means pretty much an eternal struggle. So yea gojo’s plan doesn’t address to core issue, but I think even if geto’s does, there’s just sooooo much to lose doing it his way.

At the end of the day, personally, I don’t think there’s any “right choice”. I think all options come with risks and consequences and if we’re being realistic you don’t even know if things would go the way you plan, and you also can’t account for all possible setbacks or unexpected occurrences.

(Also sorry, I feel like my previous response sounded quite condescending and I didn’t mean it that way, I re-read it and cringed a bit)

yoru987 said:

I mean that plan would entail killing EVERYONE who isn’t a sorcerer… just cause there’s some evil non-sorcerers hardly means that everyone deserves to or should die. Most people are neither good nor bad, like nanami told yuuji in s1. I think it’s obvious why most sorcerers weren’t on board with geto. No matter how painful jujutsu sorcery is, most would resign to just leaving that world altogether like nanami did initially rather than deciding everyone else should die.
To answer your other question, yea if somehow all or most strong sorcerers decided they would be alright with killing everyone I think they could do it. Unless the non-sorcery world could nuke them fast enough they’d probably be able to off normal people

Isekai-Enjoyer said:

I mean, someone needs to do the math.

Will curses kill more than 7 billion people in the next hundreds of thousands of years? Is there any curse which could potentially destroy the world as well?

If the answer is yes, then I mean…

yoru987 said:

I think the consequences of waging war on all non-sorcerers would ultimately undermine the initial goal to create a happier world for sorcerers. Thinking about it personally, if by the end of my journey I fulfill my genocidal dream but half of my peers died and the other half is either depressed, suicidal, or has completely renounced any semblance of humanity they had, makes me wonder what I even fought for. ( I think of Reiner from aot here for example) If everyone is too mentally distraught to even enjoy this new world of only jujutsu sorcerers, did I really win? Did I really achieve my goal? Idk, but I’d say no.

Now you could say that gojo alone could do it, but it’s just so far fetched for me to say that even if just gojo has sacrificed his humanity to make a world of only jujutsu sorcerers, the sorcerers would just nod and go along with it. Sure, they wouldn’t be able to stop him, but I’d figure they’d lose it to know gojo is killing the whole world for them to be “happy”. When they themselves don’t want everyone to get killed.

I do think your point about the horrors of war springing out more curses is such a valid point and a likely occurrence and BIG issues for the plan too.

And regarding what you were saying about gojo’s plan, it’s not like it’s a surefire plan either I’d say haahahaha. I think he’s just hoping that by raising strong sorcerers they’ll be better equipped with fighting curses, and by putting better people in charge of administrative decision they’ll implement systems that assure that less people end up in situations they cannot handle.

Gojo’s plan doesn’t really address the core issue of the curses. He merely wishes for the current system to be less corrupt basically. I think he holds hope that by cleaning up the way the jujutsu world operates fewer people would have to die. But yea, it doesn’t solve the issue of curses being born from human negative emotions. Which is probably it’s biggest downside, cause that means pretty much an eternal struggle. So yea gojo’s plan doesn’t address to core issue, but I think even if geto’s does, there’s just sooooo much to lose doing it his way.

At the end of the day, personally, I don’t think there’s any “right choice”. I think all options come with risks and consequences and if we’re being realistic you don’t even know if things would go the way you plan, and you also can’t account for all possible setbacks or unexpected occurrences.

(Also sorry, I feel like my previous response sounded quite condescending and I didn’t mean it that way, I re-read it and cringed a bit)

Arshi2282 said:
Since the airing of ep 5 I've been thinking what would happen if just all the sorcerers would agree and accept to help geto achieving his goals
His reasoning is obviously correct.
There's no meaning in fighting to protect humans from the curses they make and then end up being hurt by them
I think if he had enough help they would most likely win.
And i think they could have rebuild the society themselves.
Its not something that can't be done. And obviously it would be a better future for sorcerers cause there would be no need to fight everyday anymore or at least if they had to fight they would get recognition for what they're doing
What is your ideas
Why do you think his plan was flawed and why no one accepted him

Arshi2282 said:
Since the airing of ep 5 I've been thinking what would happen if just all the sorcerers would agree and accept to help geto achieving his goals
His reasoning is obviously correct.
There's no meaning in fighting to protect humans from the curses they make and then end up being hurt by them
I think if he had enough help they would most likely win.
And i think they could have rebuild the society themselves.
Its not something that can't be done. And obviously it would be a better future for sorcerers cause there would be no need to fight everyday anymore or at least if they had to fight they would get recognition for what they're doing
What is your ideas
Why do you think his plan was flawed and why no one accepted him