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Feb 21, 2023 2:51 PM
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But is there a single reason for which Naoto not only remembers about time travels but he recalls all timelines while he himself never acutally got back in time? Like its not only that for some reasons he knows some stuffs, but he even remebers the timelines that technically never happend for him, ALL OF THEM, and that's just horrible writing.
Like the incosintency there is so massive that i wish the author would not try to pull weird gimmicks he himself is not aware in the slightest how they are supposed to work and just keep takemichi in one place for once, at this point why isnt everyone aware of every little change in every single timeline that happens? I guess not even Okarin's Reading Steiner could compete with Naoto's sheer schizophrenic multidensional brain on that matter and his massive balls and i wish the author would at least jack off on a livestream or something and make a bs explaination for Naoto, anything at all just give him a reason for it please, even "its just magic", i will gladly accept anything, just give him something at all instead of just bending the time space rules themselves for your lack of crativity and writting and cause you need a narrator and takemichi is a character too dumb for it.
Feb 21, 2023 3:01 PM
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wow another plothole in this shitshow, I'm not surprised. i read the manga, i believe there is nothing shown that explains why this is, could be wrong tho. absolutely hated both the manga and show, but i gotta say s1 was mid at best. a great question tho, just goes to show how absolutely not thought-thru this show is.
Feb 21, 2023 4:21 PM
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I do have a theory but in order to prove it right I’d need Naotu to say something like “I’ve lived my life 5 times Takemichi. You’re lucky you get to zip back and forth but I have to wait and watch it play out every time” then hit him for dramatic effect lol

(Basically I think Naoto remembers because he’s connected to the time travel and he knows every timeline because he doesn’t go to specific dates like Takemichi he has to actually live out every timeline. It’s a pretty simple theory but makes sense to me)
Feb 21, 2023 5:32 PM
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I think Naoto just lives through a single timeline and is not aware of the previous timelines (or maybe I'm wrong)
He just remembers the goal everytime Takemichi retuns to the present(future?) and gets more info about the incidents from Takemichi to deduce what happened in the other timelines (since he's a detective, it wont be hard for him to deduce things based on known info)
Not saying this show doesn't have any flaws, I mean the final arc is so fucked, I'd rather not even start.
Feb 21, 2023 7:11 PM
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I think each author will have his own way of exploiting his own work. However, when it comes to the bottom line, it will certainly be answered to satisfy readers. geometry dash lite
Feb 21, 2023 7:11 PM
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I think each author will have his own way of exploiting his own work. However, when it comes to the bottom line, it will certainly be answered to satisfy readers. geometry dash lite
Feb 21, 2023 7:41 PM
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RaidenSteiner said:
But is there a single reason for which Naoto not only remembers about time travels but he recalls all timelines while he himself never acutally got back in time? Like its not only that for some reasons he knows some stuffs, but he even remebers the timelines that technically never happend for him, ALL OF THEM, and that's just horrible writing.
Like the incosintency there is so massive that i wish the author would not try to pull weird gimmicks he himself is not aware in the slightest how they are supposed to work and just keep takemichi in one place for once, at this point why isnt everyone aware of every little change in every single timeline that happens? I guess not even Okarin's Reading Steiner could compete with Naoto's sheer schizophrenic multidensional brain on that matter and his massive balls and i wish the author would at least jack off on a livestream or something and make a bs explaination for Naoto, anything at all just give him a reason for it please, even "its just magic", i will gladly accept anything, just give him something at all instead of just bending the time space rules themselves for your lack of crativity and writting and cause you need a narrator and takemichi is a character too dumb for it.

bruh read the manga , anime is bullshit going on
Feb 21, 2023 10:23 PM
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LuFFY-Itachi said:
RaidenSteiner said:
But is there a single reason for which Naoto not only remembers about time travels but he recalls all timelines while he himself never acutally got back in time? Like its not only that for some reasons he knows some stuffs, but he even remebers the timelines that technically never happend for him, ALL OF THEM, and that's just horrible writing.
Like the incosintency there is so massive that i wish the author would not try to pull weird gimmicks he himself is not aware in the slightest how they are supposed to work and just keep takemichi in one place for once, at this point why isnt everyone aware of every little change in every single timeline that happens? I guess not even Okarin's Reading Steiner could compete with Naoto's sheer schizophrenic multidensional brain on that matter and his massive balls and i wish the author would at least jack off on a livestream or something and make a bs explaination for Naoto, anything at all just give him a reason for it please, even "its just magic", i will gladly accept anything, just give him something at all instead of just bending the time space rules themselves for your lack of crativity and writting and cause you need a narrator and takemichi is a character too dumb for it.

bruh read the manga , anime is bullshit going on

manga is trash to what do you mean,


the last arc was complete bullshit with that ass ending
Feb 21, 2023 11:08 PM
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just drop the show and stop bitching it hasn't really changed much since season 1 if you don't like it drop it as simple as that
Feb 21, 2023 11:29 PM

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I swear, ya'll are the biggest crybabies, not even Takemicchi. If you hate it, stop watching it????🤨🤨🤨🤷‍♀️ There is a thread every week why Tokyo Revengers is bad. If people don't like it, why they keep watching it and making these annoying threads?

Also, Naoto is a detective. I don't think he remembers the timelines from the past. He knows the things because of the investigations and he most likely has connections because of his job. At least, that's what I got from the anime, I haven't read the manga.
Feb 22, 2023 1:14 AM

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If you don't have anything good or worthwhile to say then stfu please.
Feb 22, 2023 1:36 AM
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people just go and study ur physics or mathematics subjects u don't get potholes or logicless things there,its just entertainment show enjoy it or drop it
Feb 22, 2023 2:09 AM
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Sorry but disagreed
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Feb 22, 2023 2:31 AM

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Huh? I thought it was obvious why he remembers? The way time travel in Tokyo Revengers works is that it takes two people for it to happen. The 'traveler' and the 'trigger'. When they shake hands, the traveler goes back in time, while the trigger remains in the present. If any changes to the past change the present and a new timeline is entered, both the people involved in the time travel retain their memories from the previous timelines.

I'm not sure whether this has been explained in the anime yet but


But if you really care about the time travel being consistent and explained well, TR is probably not the show for you. The show's not about time travel, it just treats it as a plot device. If you like it being handled the way it is in shows like Steins;Gate and expect to see that here, you'll probably end up disappointed.
Feb 22, 2023 3:36 AM
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i don't know why so many people are so pissed about this show. They hated season and decided that season two would suddenly cleanse their hate after they read the manga and concluded that shit is also trash.

Please stop watching, no one's begging you to and you don't hate to come unto MAL every episode to rant about a point you ranted about the week before. It's obsessive.

In regards to the apparent plot hole with Naoto, there is nothing wrong, the writer just assumed y'all were smart enough to consider the fact that since he's the trigger, he will definitely be unaffected since he's somehow magic or whatever like Takemichi. There are stories that y'all don't have to think to deep y'know?

As stated in a tread here, time travel isn't the main focus of Tokyo revengers. The main focus is Takemichi trying to use it to save his friends. Hence we only get the basic rules of time travel: changes in past can change the future. It's not elaborated on further because that's not the point. Alternate timelines, what specific changes, and all other time travelling bs isn't touched because that's not the point.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a complex time travelling story but Tokyo Revengers isn't that story. Find that or wrote it yourself if that's what you want and stop coming after a show doing its own thing.

Hope this helped someone.
Feb 22, 2023 4:08 AM
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one asshole spoke shit about the show and a bunch of herds agreed and now we have a thread on it each week
Feb 22, 2023 7:24 AM
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HitgirlPlatinum said:
Huh? I thought it was obvious why he remembers? The way time travel in Tokyo Revengers works is that it takes two people for it to happen. The 'traveler' and the 'trigger'. When they shake hands, the traveler goes back in time, while the trigger remains in the present. If any changes to the past change the present and a new timeline is entered, both the people involved in the time travel retain their memories from the previous timelines.

I'm not sure whether this has been explained in the anime yet but


But if you really care about the time travel being consistent and explained well, TR is probably not the show for you. The show's not about time travel, it just treats it as a plot device. If you like it being handled the way it is in shows like Steins;Gate and expect to see that here, you'll probably end up disappointed.

THIS. THANK YOU.

People won't make the slightest effort to understand what's happening in the series, but they always have the biggest opinions to share, I swear. =-=
Feb 22, 2023 11:18 AM

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I swear, ya'll are the biggest crybabies, not even Takemicchi. If you hate it, stop watching it????🤨🤨🤨🤷‍♀️ There is a thread every week why Tokyo Revengers is bad. If people don't like it, why they keep watching it and making these annoying threads?

Also, Naoto is a detective. I don't think he remembers the timelines from the past. He knows the things because of the investigations and he most likely has connections because of his job. At least, that's what I got from the anime, I haven't read the manga.

but he's talking about timelines that technically never happened to him and got totally alterated by takemichi's loop but still he remembers them as they were in original before takemichi made any change to them, how do you explain this?
Also how tf did he even get in contact with takemichi in this current timeline when he's corrupt to the bone and ordered the hit on hina, and he's like "yeah i know you killed my sister but you didnt mean it lol, let's shake hands buddy" if u assume he deduce everyhting based on logic and facts then there's no reason he would have any faith in takemichi in this timeline.
Feb 22, 2023 11:32 AM

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If you don't have anything good or worthwhile to say then stfu please.


if you dont have anything to contribute the discussion with the stfu, i dont care if you care or not about subject, in fact i will totally forget your whole existence right after finishing writing this. 
Also sayin in advance if you dont have anything good to say about my reply just leave, positive vibes only ^.^/
HitgirlPlatinum said:
Huh? I thought it was obvious why he remembers? The way time travel in Tokyo Revengers works is that it takes two people for it to happen. The 'traveler' and the 'trigger'. When they shake hands, the traveler goes back in time, while the trigger remains in the present. If any changes to the past change the present and a new timeline is entered, both the people involved in the time travel retain their memories from the previous timelines.
I'm not sure whether this has been explained in the anime yet but

But if you really care about the time travel being consistent and explained well, TR is probably not the show for you. The show's not about time travel, it just treats it as a plot device. If you like it being handled the way it is in shows like Steins;Gate and expect to see that here, you'll probably end up disappointed.
Tbh i still dont understand why they even felt the need of time travel, there wouldve been way better way to tell the story, if they wanted a jump from point to point or just a motivation for takemichi's actions there wouldve been 1 million better things to do, the time travels in this anime feels almost pointless except for the the extra annoyance. Takemichi have all informations of future and just decides to not do anything about it or even prepare himself for whats to come, a lot of times he even willinglly decides to make the same mistakes he knows he will do in future and knows they are a mistake. Like what even is the point?  Addings gimmicks like that just for the sake of them to be present might be the worst decisions some authors do, like some isekais that couldve pretty well just be a fantasy anime but they really feel the need to kill a random guy in japan before anything acutally starts, its just pointless and servers no purpose to anyone. I'm pretty sure tokyo rev may been acutally decent if they cut out the time travel nonsense and just let the massively buff middle schoolers fight between each others and ride their probably not legally owned bikes.

Also i didnt expected anything like Steins;Gate, there a million ways to portray the mechanics and laws of time travel, but tokyo revengers time travel makes kinda no sense, at least in anime, if y'all right it may make more sense in manga or ln or whatever.
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Feb 23, 2023 2:43 AM
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RaidenSteiner said:
But is there a single reason for which Naoto not only remembers about time travels but he recalls all timelines while he himself never acutally got back in time? Like its not only that for some reasons he knows some stuffs, but he even remebers the timelines that technically never happend for him, ALL OF THEM, and that's just horrible writing.
Like the incosintency there is so massive that i wish the author would not try to pull weird gimmicks he himself is not aware in the slightest how they are supposed to work and just keep takemichi in one place for once, at this point why isnt everyone aware of every little change in every single timeline that happens? I guess not even Okarin's Reading Steiner could compete with Naoto's sheer schizophrenic multidensional brain on that matter and his massive balls and i wish the author would at least jack off on a livestream or something and make a bs explaination for Naoto, anything at all just give him a reason for it please, even "its just magic", i will gladly accept anything, just give him something at all instead of just bending the time space rules themselves for your lack of crativity and writting and cause you need a narrator and takemichi is a character too dumb for it.

I think you're right. This is one of the dumb animes i've ever seen.
Feb 23, 2023 6:14 AM
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it's is good anime for time pass
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RaidenSteiner said:
Tbh i still dont understand why they even felt the need of time travel, there wouldve been way better way to tell the story, if they wanted a jump from point to point or just a motivation for takemichi's actions there wouldve been 1 million better things to do, the time travels in this anime feels almost pointless except for the the extra annoyance.

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I'm pretty sure tokyo rev may been acutally decent if they cut out the time travel nonsense and just let the massively buff middle schoolers fight between each others and ride their probably not legally owned bikes.

Also i didnt expected anything like Steins;Gate, there a million ways to portray the mechanics and laws of time travel, but tokyo revengers time travel makes kinda no sense, at least in anime, if y'all right it may make more sense in manga or ln or whatever.


Hmm, I really just think it's not the show for you. If you don't like how the time travel is handled in the anime, you'll probably not like the manga either. And that's fine. No story could be universally liked and it's fine to have preferences.

For example, you call the time travel pointless and non-sensical, but it's one of my favorite aspects of the story. I genuinely would not like TR anywhere close to what I do if it was just middle schoolers being in gangs and nothing else. Imo, the time travel raises the stakes, and adds so much more desperation to the character's actions. It would make no sense for Takemitchy to still keep going even after he's beat if he didn't know that his perseverance could be the difference between Hina and his friends living or dying. It lets the characters develop in a way that wouldn't have been possible otherwise.

And I know that's not for everyone. I like how time travel in TR is simple and not explored much because the main focus of the story is Takemitchy's development and his relationships with the other characters, and going too much into explaining time travel would take away from that. And if you don't like that, that's completely valid, but that doesn't make the author bad. He wrote a story about the themes he wanted to convey, and I think he did a great job.

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Takemichi have all informations of future and just decides to not do anything about it or even prepare himself for whats to come, a lot of times he even willinglly decides to make the same mistakes he knows he will do in future and knows they are a mistake.


Takemitchy doesn't have all the information though. He only has what Naoto knows from police files and what little he gets to hear from the future characters. He always does the best he can with what he knows. If you have any particular instance you're talking about where he knowingly makes a mistake, then let me know, because I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about.
Feb 23, 2023 4:26 PM

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autumn_sky96 said:

THIS. THANK YOU.

People won't make the slightest effort to understand what's happening in the series, but they always have the biggest opinions to share, I swear. =-=


Haha, ikr? Also seems to be a case of misplaced expectations. People tend to get angry when they start a series expecting it to be one thing but it turns out to be something else. Oh well.
Feb 23, 2023 6:02 PM

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HitgirlPlatinum said:
RaidenSteiner said:
Tbh i still dont understand why they even felt the need of time travel, there wouldve been way better way to tell the story, if they wanted a jump from point to point or just a motivation for takemichi's actions there wouldve been 1 million better things to do, the time travels in this anime feels almost pointless except for the the extra annoyance.

...

I'm pretty sure tokyo rev may been acutally decent if they cut out the time travel nonsense and just let the massively buff middle schoolers fight between each others and ride their probably not legally owned bikes.

Also i didnt expected anything like Steins;Gate, there a million ways to portray the mechanics and laws of time travel, but tokyo revengers time travel makes kinda no sense, at least in anime, if y'all right it may make more sense in manga or ln or whatever.


Hmm, I really just think it's not the show for you. If you don't like how the time travel is handled in the anime, you'll probably not like the manga either. And that's fine. No story could be universally liked and it's fine to have preferences.

For example, you call the time travel pointless and non-sensical, but it's one of my favorite aspects of the story. I genuinely would not like TR anywhere close to what I do if it was just middle schoolers being in gangs and nothing else. Imo, the time travel raises the stakes, and adds so much more desperation to the character's actions. It would make no sense for Takemitchy to still keep going even after he's beat if he didn't know that his perseverance could be the difference between Hina and his friends living or dying. It lets the characters develop in a way that wouldn't have been possible otherwise.

And I know that's not for everyone. I like how time travel in TR is simple and not explored much because the main focus of the story is Takemitchy's development and his relationships with the other characters, and going too much into explaining time travel would take away from that. And if you don't like that, that's completely valid, but that doesn't make the author bad. He wrote a story about the themes he wanted to convey, and I think he did a great job.

RaidenSteiner said:

Takemichi have all informations of future and just decides to not do anything about it or even prepare himself for whats to come, a lot of times he even willinglly decides to make the same mistakes he knows he will do in future and knows they are a mistake.


Takemitchy doesn't have all the information though. He only has what Naoto knows from police files and what little he gets to hear from the future characters. He always does the best he can with what he knows. If you have any particular instance you're talking about where he knowingly makes a mistake, then let me know, because I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about.

Btw not really related but if you like TR for the time travel gimmick i think you would love Erased, if you didnt watched it already, the synopsis is basically the same, the protagonist travels in time in middle school to stop a unknown serial killer from killing someone dear to him, though it have a lot less fights and more mc doing the detective work and trying to solve some problems in hope the future will change. 
Feb 23, 2023 11:20 PM

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RaidenSteiner said:

Btw not really related but if you like TR for the time travel gimmick i think you would love Erased, if you didnt watched it already, the synopsis is basically the same, the protagonist travels in time in middle school to stop a unknown serial killer from killing someone dear to him, though it have a lot less fights and more mc doing the detective work and trying to solve some problems in hope the future will change. 


I did watch Erased! That's a really good anime too. They definitely have have their similarities, but as you said TR is a lot more shonen and action-y. Imo, they're both great, just slightly different flavors!

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