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Mar 27, 2021 7:38 AM
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I was kinda curious to see how different the novels were to the anime and i remember one of the most common criticisms were about the dialogue being weird and boring(for anime-onlies) and some people even said Tappei was bad at writing dialogue, so i went to the Arc 4 finale on the novels and just lol, the dialogue is like 15 times better, i get it that it's also 15 times bigger so it would take like half an episode for every conversation but how did they butcher the dialogue that much? Subaru especially even feels more mature by the way he talks, Emilia was also more serious and less "innocent derpy" like in the anime, Roswaal seemed more impacted by his talk with Beattrice and many more things.
I just hope that since Arc 5 is way smaller than Arc 4 they can adapt the dialogues without changing much of it, cause that's really one of my only complaints about this season in comparison to s1
Mar 27, 2021 7:40 AM
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Go ahead and blame the guy who did the script, he made things too confusing, and also the Crunchyroll translators for mistranslating some lines and furthering the confusion.
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Mar 27, 2021 8:56 AM
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Gilgameshuu said:
Go ahead and blame the guy who did the script, he made things too confusing, and also the Crunchyroll translators for mistranslating some lines and furthering the confusion.


In my language I remember that in Episode 6 of Part 2 it ends with Subaru saying "I came to surrender" and that in the Third Trial of Sanctuary Reinhard says "she" in the subtitle even though he seems to be talking to Subaru.
Mar 27, 2021 1:00 PM
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LightVelox said:
I was kinda curious to see how different the novels were to the anime and i remember one of the most common criticisms were about the dialogue being weird and boring(for anime-onlies) and some people even said Tappei was bad at writing dialogue, so i went to the Arc 4 finale on the novels and just lol, the dialogue is like 15 times better, i get it that it's also 15 times bigger so it would take like half an episode for every conversation but how did they butcher the dialogue that much? Subaru especially even feels more mature by the way he talks, Emilia was also more serious and less "innocent derpy" like in the anime, Roswaal seemed more impacted by his talk with Beattrice and many more things.
I just hope that since Arc 5 is way smaller than Arc 4 they can adapt the dialogues without changing much of it, cause that's really one of my only complaints about this season in comparison to s1

Is the Anime dialogue just bad in comparison to the light novels or do people genuinely think the anime dialogue is trash? Because I’m and anime only and I don’t think it’s bad... it’s not anything special, not the best part of the show, but I don’t see how it ruins the show for people.
Mar 27, 2021 1:56 PM
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Nickmgic said:

Is the Anime dialogue just bad in comparison to the light novels or do people genuinely think the anime dialogue is trash? Because I’m and anime only and I don’t think it’s bad... it’s not anything special, not the best part of the show, but I don’t see how it ruins the show for people.


It misses out on some useful bits of characterization, lore and information that only novel-readers would know beforehand. If anime-only folks get confused or find something is off, odd or weird, then it pretty much points to what I am saying. Of-course, I exclude those who have attention-span problems around concerning whatever dialogue is already there.

I don't think the anime dialogue is trash because it carries the entire gist by the end, however, it could have been handled better in terms of the final result/impact. (speaking of Season 2's adaptation as a novel reader over here).

Then again, anime is the marketing / promo for the source material, so it is basically teasing the viewer to pick up the novel to know more details if they are invested in the series. The tactic obviously fails against those who don't care about the show in the first place.
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Mar 27, 2021 2:02 PM
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I haven't read the LN but the dialogue was one of the very few things that did lose me at times during the new season. I think season 2 is better as a whole but that's definitely one of the parts of season 1 that I prefer.




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Mar 27, 2021 5:23 PM
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Nickmgic said:

Is the Anime dialogue just bad in comparison to the light novels or do people genuinely think the anime dialogue is trash? Because I’m and anime only and I don’t think it’s bad... it’s not anything special, not the best part of the show, but I don’t see how it ruins the show for people.

the anime dialogue isn't trash, but it feels weird, it doesn't look like a real conversation it's kinda generic, while in the novels everything flows naturally, the dialogues make more sense, feel real and show the characters's personalities better, Subaru especially has better dialogue, he doesn't feel like someone "lost" in everything like in most of the anime's chats
Mar 27, 2021 5:48 PM
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LightVelox said:
Nickmgic said:

Is the Anime dialogue just bad in comparison to the light novels or do people genuinely think the anime dialogue is trash? Because I’m and anime only and I don’t think it’s bad... it’s not anything special, not the best part of the show, but I don’t see how it ruins the show for people.

the anime dialogue isn't trash, but it feels weird, it doesn't look like a real conversation it's kinda generic, while in the novels everything flows naturally, the dialogues make more sense, feel real and show the characters's personalities better, Subaru especially has better dialogue, he doesn't feel like someone "lost" in everything like in most of the anime's chats


I think it's largely due to the constraints of Arc 4 being monstrous and them rushing to figure out what to cut out and not having time to give the dialogue breathing room. Hopefully Arc 5, which is significantly shorter (but would still need 1.5-2 cours) will be better as they won't need to chop out as much.
Mar 27, 2021 7:23 PM
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They should just cut those stupid dialogues (most of them at least), because surely that is not the strength of ReZero (an anime only here).
S1 was so much better (at least as far as I remember), I honestly don't understand why people praise this S2 too much to the point said that S1 is not good in comparison.
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Mar 27, 2021 8:02 PM

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Jim_Heart said:
They should just cut those stupid dialogues (most of them at least), because surely that is not the strength of ReZero (an anime only here).
S1 was so much better (at least as far as I remember), I honestly don't understand why people praise this S2 too much to the point said that S1 is not good in comparison.

I have the opposite opinion, I don't know what people see in Season 1 that makes it better or even on par with Season 2 which is far better in terms of story, character progression, mysteries and world/history building. Season 1 has better and more consistent animation and you may have enjoyed it more and I can understand that, but Season 2 blows Season 1 out of the water from a writing perspective. Things don't just happen randomly and are properly explained and fleshed out, everything comes full circle at the end of the Season, the story starts to focus more on other characters and not just Subaru alone, there are a lot of things that make Season 2 better than Season 1, these are just some of the things that come to mind.
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Mar 27, 2021 8:37 PM

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Gilgameshuu said:
Jim_Heart said:
They should just cut those stupid dialogues (most of them at least), because surely that is not the strength of ReZero (an anime only here).
S1 was so much better (at least as far as I remember), I honestly don't understand why people praise this S2 too much to the point said that S1 is not good in comparison.

I have the opposite opinion, I don't know what people see in Season 1 that makes it better or even on par with Season 2 which is far better in terms of story, character progression, mysteries and world/history building. Season 1 has better and more consistent animation and you may have enjoyed it more and I can understand that, but Season 2 blows Season 1 out of the water from a writing perspective. Things don't just happen randomly and are properly explained and fleshed out, everything comes full circle at the end of the Season, the story starts to focus more on other characters and not just Subaru alone, there are a lot of things that make Season 2 better than Season 1, these are just some of the things that come to mind.

I probably should rewatch entire anime later to make more solid argument.
But some things I remember from S1 is it actually has more mystery feels than S2, again I don't understand why most people just realize this in S2, we heard the name of Satella and her mysterious connection with Emilia since earlier episodes of S1 for example.
But my biggest complain with this anime is it's become more like a battle shonen with those nonsense talk no jutsu. S1 in comparison feels more like a thrilling video game where we don't have clear idea how to solve the parts but we keep trying and trying.
I remember that Rem's arc in the middle of S1 was also quite boring though, but I enjoyed the beginning and the last arc in S1.
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Mar 27, 2021 9:39 PM
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Jim_Heart said:
Gilgameshuu said:

I have the opposite opinion, I don't know what people see in Season 1 that makes it better or even on par with Season 2 which is far better in terms of story, character progression, mysteries and world/history building. Season 1 has better and more consistent animation and you may have enjoyed it more and I can understand that, but Season 2 blows Season 1 out of the water from a writing perspective. Things don't just happen randomly and are properly explained and fleshed out, everything comes full circle at the end of the Season, the story starts to focus more on other characters and not just Subaru alone, there are a lot of things that make Season 2 better than Season 1, these are just some of the things that come to mind.

I probably should rewatch entire anime later to make more solid argument.
But some things I remember from S1 is it actually has more mystery feels than S2, again I don't understand why most people just realize this in S2, we heard the name of Satella and her mysterious connection with Emilia since earlier episodes of S1 for example.
But my biggest complain with this anime is it's become more like a battle shonen with those nonsense talk no jutsu. S1 in comparison feels more like a thrilling video game where we don't have clear idea how to solve the parts but we keep trying and trying.
I remember that Rem's arc in the middle of S1 was also quite boring though, but I enjoyed the beginning and the last arc in S1.


Re:Zero has always done that: start an arc by presenting a problem that causes a lot of suffering mixed with not knowing what's going on and then finish it Demon Slayer style.

Yes, Arc 3 was very dark... until it wasn't. After Episode 18 we had two episodes of fighting the White Whale, the rest of the season fighting the Witch Cult and with several melodramatic moments like this season.

Maybe you enjoyed season 1 more because everything was new and it was easier to get excited since you didn't know what could happen.
Mar 27, 2021 10:33 PM
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Idk whether what you are saying is true or not but the dialogues in this show are absolutely atrocious. I haven't seen such tasteless drama writing since, like what, Violet Evergarden or some shit. Each and every sentence of this show is tilting me.
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Mar 27, 2021 11:35 PM
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I think the dialogue are very witty and unique to each character personality traits, it kinda helps in the novel so we know who the one are talking. The anime dialogue feels bad because lack of face mimic and characterization, while the VA was doing a good job.. the animation wasn't.. (Compare s1 ep 18 and s2p2 ep 2). The novel are 150x times better because it constantly flows and perfectly balanced between serious and fun, the anime cut all the fun part making them feels like reading a solid textbook and exposition.
Mar 28, 2021 3:54 AM
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I really didn't mind the dialog as you can see in my list i love heavy dialog that is good like monogatari oregairu and also bottom tier so im kinda sad people hating dialog so much like they're just so used to shounen battle anime let's take an example for jjk and i think it's quite oVeRaTeD but don't know if it's gonna be great at further ep though im still at ep 17 and so far 7 out of 10.....
Mar 28, 2021 5:00 AM

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I doubt the dialogue was butchered if it is this bad
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Mar 28, 2021 5:16 AM

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Atlos said:
I doubt the dialogue was butchered if it is this bad

Well you didn't read the novels so you can't really tell.

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I personally didn't think it was butchered per-say but it definitely did lost the flow it had in the novels. I also think it was a notch too overexcited in the anime compared to the calmer tone in the novels and it made it a little cringier.
Mar 28, 2021 5:33 AM

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Atlos said:
I doubt the dialogue was butchered if it is this bad

Well you didn't read the novels so you can't really tell.

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I personally didn't think it was butchered per-say but it definitely did lost the flow it had in the novels. I also think it was a notch too overexcited in the anime compared to the calmer tone in the novels and it made it a little cringier.
While it might have been worse in the anime I don't think it is good in the novel, while I haven't read it I can make a fairly educated guess
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Mar 28, 2021 6:57 AM

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Atlos said:
QcDiablo said:

Well you didn't read the novels so you can't really tell.

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I personally didn't think it was butchered per-say but it definitely did lost the flow it had in the novels. I also think it was a notch too overexcited in the anime compared to the calmer tone in the novels and it made it a little cringier.
While it might have been worse in the anime I don't think it is good in the novel, while I haven't read it I can make a fairly educated guess


Wow! even the haters know more about Re:zero than the fans. We must believe what the haters said!!!
Mar 28, 2021 7:07 AM

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Atlos said:
While it might have been worse in the anime I don't think it is good in the novel, while I haven't read it I can make a fairly educated guess


Wow! even the haters know more about Re:zero than the fans. We must believe what the haters said!!!
What are you trying to say? I've watched enough shitty light novel adaptations to be able to pick up these things
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Mar 28, 2021 7:12 AM

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Atlos said:
DiceYJ said:


Wow! even the haters know more about Re:zero than the fans. We must believe what the haters said!!!
What are you trying to say? I've watched enough shitty light novel adaptations to be able to pick up these things


Oh wow. A weebs who has watched enough shitty light novel adaptions. What a legendary :O
Mar 28, 2021 10:46 AM

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Atlos said:
QcDiablo said:

Well you didn't read the novels so you can't really tell.

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I personally didn't think it was butchered per-say but it definitely did lost the flow it had in the novels. I also think it was a notch too overexcited in the anime compared to the calmer tone in the novels and it made it a little cringier.
While it might have been worse in the anime I don't think it is good in the novel, while I haven't read it I can make a fairly educated guess


>While I haven't read it I can make a fairly "educated guess"

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Mar 28, 2021 10:54 AM
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Atlos said:
QcDiablo said:

Well you didn't read the novels so you can't really tell.

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I personally didn't think it was butchered per-say but it definitely did lost the flow it had in the novels. I also think it was a notch too overexcited in the anime compared to the calmer tone in the novels and it made it a little cringier.
While it might have been worse in the anime I don't think it is good in the novel, while I haven't read it I can make a fairly educated guess


People are entitled to their own opinions but this is a massive yikes lmao
Mar 28, 2021 2:49 PM
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LightVelox said:
I was kinda curious to see how different the novels were to the anime and i remember one of the most common criticisms were about the dialogue being weird and boring(for anime-onlies) and some people even said Tappei was bad at writing dialogue, so i went to the Arc 4 finale on the novels and just lol, the dialogue is like 15 times better, i get it that it's also 15 times bigger so it would take like half an episode for every conversation but how did they butcher the dialogue that much? Subaru especially even feels more mature by the way he talks, Emilia was also more serious and less "innocent derpy" like in the anime, Roswaal seemed more impacted by his talk with Beattrice and many more things.
I just hope that since Arc 5 is way smaller than Arc 4 they can adapt the dialogues without changing much of it, cause that's really one of my only complaints about this season in comparison to s1


My main problem doesn't come from the dialogues.it just that they make some scenes overly dramatic unlike the novel.
Mar 29, 2021 6:03 AM

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I personally found that several dialogues were really artificial at times, especially in S2 part 2.

Many people loved that scene, whereas I just found it very poorly handled. I went to read the WN version and appreciated it leagues more.

It feels like most of the times the screenwriter just takes the dialogue in the LN, cuts a few parts and calls it a day. Really not the best approach to the task.
Mar 29, 2021 6:43 AM
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This season was just cringe. Especially the dialogue. The character interactions and reactions felt very very unnatural to me. There was no sense of urgency at all, and it has lost it's intense suspense.
Mar 29, 2021 6:47 AM
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flack said:
This season was just cringe. Especially the dialogue. The character interactions and reactions felt very very unnatural to me. There was no sense of urgency at all, and it has lost it's intense suspense.


Personally, I don't think the season was "just cringe", but I do agree that there was issues with the presentation in terms of urgency. The desperation of the last life that I remember reading didn't come over into the anime, which is pretty disappointing.

I still don't think it was a bad adaptation but it certainly could have been much, much better.
Mar 29, 2021 11:27 AM
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Yeah, dialogue and pacing were the main issues. There were some pretty good lines here and there, and Emilia's development was long awaited reward, but I was cringing at the dialogue sometimes or looking at the time bar, and it didn't happen in previous seasons. Hopefully next season will fare better.
Mar 29, 2021 5:53 PM

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Well we read the translation of some crunchyroll guy we don't know lmao so I think criticizing the written quality of dialogues is a little bit beyond our scope

Maybe someone who speaks Japanese could confirm. I remember season 1 dialogues being lovely most of the time and I watched the bluray.
Mar 29, 2021 5:55 PM

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This season was just cringe. Especially the dialogue. The character interactions and reactions felt very very unnatural to me. There was no sense of urgency at all, and it has lost it's intense suspense.


This season (both parts) were infinitely better than season 1 in all aspects but animation.
Mar 29, 2021 8:28 PM

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Rojaseb said:
Well we read the translation of some crunchyroll guy we don't know lmao so I think criticizing the written quality of dialogues is a little bit beyond our scope

Maybe someone who speaks Japanese could confirm. I remember season 1 dialogues being lovely most of the time and I watched the bluray.

Agreed. The CR person whosoever is translating. is not great at all. As an example in Episode 12,



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