Horimiya
| Personally, I don't think they do. Many times, while watching the two leads interact, I had a strong impression that this relationship was all about Hori and the more the story progresses, the more I feel like that. First, Hori's jealousy. It's really getting out of hand at this point. Their female classmates cannot make some innocent remarks on Miyamura's good looks without Hori's jealousy flaring up and, what is even worse, she often takes it out on her boyfriend even though he has done nothing to deserve it. Now, the poor guy has to change how he interacts with his male friends too for fear of upsetting her. This shows that one, she doesn't trust Miyamura, which is quite surprising considering that he is a really nice person and he has never given her cause to doubt his loyalty or his feelings for her, and two, their relationship is not balanced since Hori holds all the power, for lack of a better term. Secondly, Hori's kink. Just to make it clear, I'm not kink-shaming, people are free to do what they want in their house/bedroom as long as there are respect and consent on both sides. The problem here is not the kink per se, but how Hori is pushing Miyamura to behave in a way that is the polar opposite of his own nature and he's forced to do so in public. Apart from the fact that this could potentially lead to Miyamura getting in trouble, it only takes a random passerby who witnesses their interactions and misinterprets them, Hori's behaviour is also showing that she doesn't respect her boyfriend and his limits at all, even though she claims that she loves him. It has been made abundantly clear that Miyamura is very uncomfortable with the whole thing, he's not secretly liking it and just pretending he doesn't, it's truly difficult for him to act in this way towards her, but instead of accepting him as he is, she nags him about it for her own personal satisfaction. There's no balance in their relationship at all. Hori is usually the one who makes decisions and Miyamura just goes along with what she wants. As an example, Miyamura doesn't like horror movies but he still watches them because he knows that his girlfriend enjoys them. Has Hori returned the favour? Has she ever made an effort to watch something he likes? Nope, not as far as I remember anyway. She's been shown thinking about it, but her thoughts have not translated into actions. Sure, this is a small and quite insignificant example if taken in isolation, but add it to everything else and you start to notice a pattern. It would have been fine if the anime was genuinely trying to portray an imperfect and not quite healthy relationship, but that's not what they're doing. Everything I've written above is usually downplayed or used for humour and it's obvious that the author still wants us to ship these two. Unfortunately, it has the opposite effect on me. What do you guys think about this? Do you like or dislike their relationship and why? |
| My thoughts, feel free to disagree & sorry if I offend anyone in advance: Why does everyone have to analyse it this deep & make it sound so devastating problematic & something entirely else lol. It’s not that deep. It’s a romcom SOL. It’s exaggerated for comedic purposes. It’s obviously a joke this episode when she told him to stay away from the guys....he doesn’t actually stop interacting with them in the manga either it’s just a one-off scene......................erhhhhhmagerdddddddd Also, a relationship is not a trade. She has “returned” Miyamura’s kindness in more ways than one. There are different love languages as well. Miyamura shows his love through his actions and words more than she does. No one said their relationship was perfect. Just like how all relationships aren’t all that wholesome in real life, if that’s what your analysis wants to do in comparing anime characters to realistic behaviour. |
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| no, it is certainly not a healthy relationship. someone please keep my boy away from this crazy homophobic possessive |
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| As of episode 9, no. It's severely imbalanced at best and downright toxic at worst, depending on how exactly you view Hori forcing Miyamura to play out her kinks (often in public) and make an absolute fool of himself. Hori never has to compromise in the relationship, it's always Miyamura who has to come to her. And even when he does, he often gets hit for his troubles or because other girls react to something Hori did or made him do. Whatever Hori wants, Hori gets, and Miyamura has to make constant sacrifices to appease her insane jealousy. The start of episode 10 is only making that even worse with Hori's jealousy turning towards Miyamura spending time with his male friends. Not only is that arguably pretty damn homophobic, it's forcing Miyamura to minimise his interactions with his own friends to prevent her from going absolutely apeshit or something. Mind you, I think OP has more or less nailed exactly how I feel about this show's central pairing and I think that's a big part of why I'm so cold on the show; it's hard for a romcom to be enjoyable if you aren't invested in the main couple and don't really want them to be together at all. |
ribbonaffair said: Why does everyone have to analyse it this deep & make it sound so devastating problematic & something entirely else lol. It’s not that deep. It’s a romcom SOL. It’s exaggerated for comedic purposes. I guess that's exactly the root of the problem for me, that because of its genre, the anime keeps playing for laughs everything that I feel is wrong and not funny about this relationship and doesn't really try to properly address Hori's faults. I was probably expecting a more serious approach when it comes to the main leads' relationship and how it's been handled and developed. LupaInscius said: Also, for me, Miyamura love Hori san because she is Hori san but Hori san love Miyamura more because...she doesn't have anyone else to love. I agree. Miyamura seems to really love her for who she is, can't really say the same for Hori. I think Hori could learn quite a lot from Remi on how to accept and respect her partner. |
ribbonaffair said: My thoughts, feel free to disagree & sorry if I offend anyone in advance: Why does everyone have to analyse it this deep & make it sound so devastating problematic & something entirely else lol. It’s not that deep. It’s a romcom SOL. It’s exaggerated for comedic purposes. It’s obviously a joke this episode when she told him to stay away from the guys....he doesn’t actually stop interacting with them in the manga either it’s just a one-off scene......................erhhhhhmagerdddddddd Also, a relationship is not a trade. She has “returned” Miyamura’s kindness in more ways than one. There are different love languages as well. Miyamura shows his love through his actions and words more than she does. No one said their relationship was perfect. Just like how all relationships aren’t all that wholesome in real life, if that’s what your analysis wants to do in comparing anime characters to realistic behaviour. the lord has spoken. That's all I came here for. |
Galadriel-san said: I guess that's exactly the root of the problem for me, that because of its genre, the anime keeps playing for laughs everything that I feel is wrong and not funny about this relationship and doesn't really try to properly address Hori's faults. I was probably expecting a more serious approach when it comes to the main leads' relationship and how it's been handled and developed. I can see why it would rub people the wrong way. Unfortunately, the source material is exactly like this too, Hori’s behaviour/reactions are the punchlines & often “comic relief” this adaptation’s just working with what it is. I can see how the humour is falling flat. I think Hori could learn quite a lot from Remi on how to accept and respect her partner. Yes, I agree with this!! I love Remi & Sengoku’s relationshipβ‘ |
| κ€ but i’ll probably remember over and over again you were there and everyone else was there — the day we all searched for just one thing κ€ |
KeiFabian said: kwknifes said: no, it is certainly not a healthy relationship. someone please keep my boy away from this crazy homophobic possessive Aaaa yes, you definitely like to exaggerate things. She's not homophobic, she's insecure. How do you think a gay couple would feel if one of the boys leaves the other for a woman (when they're supposed to be gay)? Would that be heterophobic? I honestly don't think so and that you're exaggerating the scene. memorizing the scent of every friend of your boyfriend is certainly not characteristic of a healthy relationship. about your argument that she is not homophobic, can you tell me WHERE the sexual orientation of the characters is confirmed? how do you know miyamura is straight just for dating a girl? multisex don't exist? if all this unhealthy and homophobic obsession is a symptom of insecurity, I don’t care, having an excuse to give doesn’t make it any less toxic. oh and, heterophobia? really? anyway, if you're going to answer things like "oh, but it's just an anime", "it's not real", "it's supposed to be funny", don't waste your time, ok? |
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| Ya I mean I'm not super invested in their relation but I basically agree. Also Hori comes off as kinda homophobic which just makes me go ehhhh. I mean it's just a dumb romcom so it doesn't bother me, but for instance the "joke" about being extra jealous of guys fell completely flat. Hori's kink can lead to some funny setups, but when it's done in public and Miyamura comes off as an abusive bf I just kinda check out. |
kwknifes said: .no, it is certainly not a healthy relationship. someone please keep my boy away from this crazy homophobic possessive I know this was likely just a joke, but I need to just clarify that in no way is she homophobic for being jealous of other guys. Especially when it is just a one off joke in the Anime. Also no I don’t think their relationship is toxic. I think the jealousy is in the Anime just to show Miyamura’s social development, as he started from having no friends and now he is so popular it’s causing Hori to be jealous. I think this jealousy is just a joke. If it wasn’t a joke it’s possible that it could be a toxic relationship. Also in order for it to be toxic there needs to be signs that the relationship is causing negative effects to Miyamura. There are no signs of this so far. And don’t try to argue that that’s because in a toxic relationship the one being used/abused may not realize the negative effects. Because we the third party also see no negative effects. He doesn’t stop talking to his friends. He doesn’t really stop talking to other girls. And yes the part where Hori wants him to hit her and stuff is weird, but I doubt that if Miyamura didn’t go through with it that she would leave him. I would say that his relationship with her has actually caused him to grow as a person. Having said this, I haven’t read the manga and I don’t know how this will turn up. I'm not going to bother to write another text on the google translator (I'm Brazilian) to answer another clueless gringo, so I'll just copy and paste the answer I gave to someone else. * gringo: Brazilian slang to refer to Americans from USA memorizing the scent of every friend of your boyfriend is certainly not characteristic of a healthy relationship. about your argument that she is not homophobic, can you tell me WHERE the sexual orientation of the characters is confirmed? how do you know miyamura is straight just for dating a girl? multisex don't exist? if all this unhealthy and homophobic obsession is a symptom of insecurity, I don’t care, having an excuse to give doesn’t make it any less toxic. oh and, heterophobia? really? anyway, if you're going to answer things like "oh, but it's just an anime", "it's not real", "it's supposed to be funny", don't waste your time, ok? |
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Iesfir said: KeiFabian said: Aaaa yes, you definitely like to exaggerate things. She's not homophobic, she's insecure. How do you think a gay couple would feel if one of the boys leaves the other for a woman (when they're supposed to be gay)? Would that be heterophobic? I honestly don't think so and that you're exaggerating the scene. Heterophic doesn't exist. No exagerating. You can be insecure and NO homophobic. Say "Ok for woman, but no man", it's homophobic. When a gay man say to this partner "If we break up, don't go out with a woman", it's homophobic. A woman or a man, nothing change. There is no reason to make a distinction. We don't suddenly date the same sex just because a relationship with the opposite sex has turned us off. Tell 'em, king Yes heterphobia doesn't exist because for any kind of phobia/hate/oppression to be real (racism, etc) there needs to be a power imbalance. If a gay man tells his partner to not go out with women after they break up, that's actually biphobic, since only bi men would date men & women. And yeah we dont suddenly date sex because the opposite sex has done something, you cant choose your attraction, you're born with it |
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kwknifes said: if all this unhealthy and homophobic obsession is a symptom of insecurity, I don’t care, having an excuse to give doesn’t make it any less toxic. Honestly, THIS. Completely true. Being insecure is not an excuse. Being insecure doesn't mean you can live out your complexes on other people. |
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MisterFives said: If she was homophobic she would have a problem with Sawada, the girl who confessed to her but she doesn’t. Homophobia towards lesbians vs gay men are two very different things. I know a lot of people that don't have any problems with lesbians (probably bc of lesbian porn) but that hate gay men into oblivion. One dude genuinely said he's close to vomiting when he sees two gay men, didn't have any problem with me saying I like the same sex, tho. Probably because I am a woman. |
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kwknifes said: I'm not going to bother to write another text on the google translator (I'm Brazilian) to answer another clueless gringo, so I'll just copy and paste the answer I gave to someone else. * gringo: Brazilian slang to refer to Americans from USA memorizing the scent of every friend of your boyfriend is certainly not characteristic of a healthy relationship. about your argument that she is not homophobic, can you tell me WHERE the sexual orientation of the characters is confirmed? how do you know miyamura is straight just for dating a girl? multisex don't exist? if all this unhealthy and homophobic obsession is a symptom of insecurity, I don’t care, having an excuse to give doesn’t make it any less toxic. oh and, heterophobia? really? anyway, if you're going to answer things like "oh, but it's just an anime", "it's not real", "it's supposed to be funny", don't waste your time, ok? Ok so homophobic means having a prejudice against gay people. Hori doesn't have a prejudice against gay people, like if she saw a random gay couple she would be fine. The reason she doesn't want Miyamura around guys is because she is jealous. So she is not against the concept of homosexuals she just doesn't want her boyfriend to be in a relationship with other people. "other people being guys or girls. I hope you can understand me as you mentioned this isn't your first language. Also I didn't mention anything about heterophobia so maybe u meant to comment on a different post. she literally said that if he ever falls in love with someone else, that person has to be A GIRL and about "Hori doesn't have a prejudice against gay people, like if she saw a random gay couple she would be fine", oh yes, and my mom is not homophobic because she doesn't care about the existence of lgbtq + people in the world , unless it's your daughter. I meant, "to respect" only if it is someone you do not live with is not to respect, , you know? (okay, I understand the texts) |
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| I think this anime is more of a fan service with cute characters (even the father character is unrealistic and cute lmaooo) than depicting a realistic relationship. Why everything is all about looks in this anime? Miyamora getting bullied until they found out he's actually hot. I couldn't even grasp why exactly Sakura loved ?! That purple haired guy. They didn't even hang out together. She suddenly saw him from window and deeply fell in love? Lol... It was a crush at best. Shallow, overrated and very fast paced anime in general. Maybe I'm being too logical about it.. Meh |
| I swear some people just look for things to get upset about |
MisterFives said: You also have to remember how this whole kink started. Hori was asking why Miyamura would lash out, hit, and yell at those he was close to like Shindo, Sengokou, and Toru and she realized she liked seeing that side of him at times. It is in his nature to have these aggressive tendencies from time to time. I do agree with not doing it in public but they just do that for laughs at the reactions of other people. And miyamura sees how happy it makes Hori and that’s why he is willing to do that. I'm not really sure if having those aggressive outbursts are part of Miyamura's nature or not, but let's assume that they are. The point still stands, he feels really uncomfortable behaving in this way with Hori. He may be fine showing that side of himself with his male friends, but that doesn't automatically imply that he should feel okay in doing the same with his girlfriend. He's doing it regardless because he cares for her, but the only one who is getting something out of it and is enjoying herself is Hori. ribbonaffair said: I love Remi & Sengoku’s relationshipβ‘ I really like them as well. I misjudged Remi when she was first introduced, but she turned out to be quite a lovely character, her friendship with Sakura and her relationship with Sengoku are really beautiful. |
| I think they're fine. They'd never do anything to purposefully hurt each other and sometimes love can be bumpy, especially when you're young and still unsettled. Plus, a lot of the stuff that occurs between them during casual scenes (like Hori telling him to stay away from boys) is just to try and add comedy |
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Kary88 said: Yes!! I dislike Hori a lot... she is extremely toxic and claims to love Miyamura the way he is but forces him to act the exact opposite of who he is... Ugh... the talking abusive to here is a kink, most partners are willing to try something new. I don't understand why people are freaking out. I took the jealousy as a joke as its a rom-com. |
Galadriel-san said: I 100% agree. Ignore the people who say not to take it seriously or whatever. Why? Because the Horimiya PV pitches this show as a REALISTIC romance. I don’t find it funny either and that’s why I think it’s concerning. I have it as a 5/10 rn but if it keeps going this route I might have to lower my score.Personally, I don't think they do. Many times, while watching the two leads interact, I had a strong impression that this relationship was all about Hori and the more the story progresses, the more I feel like that. First, Hori's jealousy. It's really getting out of hand at this point. Their female classmates cannot make some innocent remarks on Miyamura's good looks without Hori's jealousy flaring up and, what is even worse, she often takes it out on her boyfriend even though he has done nothing to deserve it. Now, the poor guy has to change how he interacts with his male friends too for fear of upsetting her. This shows that one, she doesn't trust Miyamura, which is quite surprising considering that he is a really nice person and he has never given her cause to doubt his loyalty or his feelings for her, and two, their relationship is not balanced since Hori holds all the power, for lack of a better term. Secondly, Hori's kink. Just to make it clear, I'm not kink-shaming, people are free to do what they want in their house/bedroom as long as there are respect and consent on both sides. The problem here is not the kink per se, but how Hori is pushing Miyamura to behave in a way that is the polar opposite of his own nature and he's forced to do so in public. Apart from the fact that this could potentially lead to Miyamura getting in trouble, it only takes a random passerby who witnesses their interactions and misinterprets them, Hori's behaviour is also showing that she doesn't respect her boyfriend and his limits at all, even though she claims that she loves him. It has been made abundantly clear that Miyamura is very uncomfortable with the whole thing, he's not secretly liking it and just pretending he doesn't, it's truly difficult for him to act in this way towards her, but instead of accepting him as he is, she nags him about it for her own personal satisfaction. There's no balance in their relationship at all. Hori is usually the one who makes decisions and Miyamura just goes along with what she wants. As an example, Miyamura doesn't like horror movies but he still watches them because he knows that his girlfriend enjoys them. Has Hori returned the favour? Has she ever made an effort to watch something he likes? Nope, not as far as I remember anyway. She's been shown thinking about it, but her thoughts have not translated into actions. Sure, this is a small and quite insignificant example if taken in isolation, but add it to everything else and you start to notice a pattern. It would have been fine if the anime was genuinely trying to portray an imperfect and not quite healthy relationship, but that's not what they're doing. Everything I've written above is usually downplayed or used for humour and it's obvious that the author still wants us to ship these two. Unfortunately, it has the opposite effect on me. What do you guys think about this? Do you like or dislike their relationship and why? |
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| So what people are saying can be summed up to: it's ok if they have a toxic relationship, because it's all a joke. It's definitely not "just a joke", the anime is trivializing something that didn't need to be trivialized. |
| "If someone says it's wrong to hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every single time." |
| Finally, some people are waking up to this realization. Hori as a person, even outside of the relationship, is toxic. She bullied Sengoku when they were younger. Sure, they were younger. But did she ever apologize? Not once. Nor does she feel bad. This is made worse in the manga where they have more screen time. Additionally, she's downright abusive to her dad. And as far as I'm aware, he's hated on by the family for no reason. It's just a pointless gag. I really hate the "let's make fun of the dad" trope in media, especially when it's not deserved. And then there's everything that's been mentioned already. The kink thing, her possessive nature, etc. Is this a rom-com? Absolutely. But... Why is that any reason for us to not look at it from a serious perspective? The series has clearly shown that it's willing to dive into some darker subjects. How many times have we had insight into Miyamura's state of mind in his middle school days? What about the scene a couple of episodes ago about the guilt over the rabbits? And there's more of it in the manga. Not only is this drama, but it makes the series, for the most part, realistic. As such, I believe it's perfectly fair to judge it as such. Any mention of "iT's jUsT a RoM-cOM" is a sad attempt at deflecting analysis, commentary, and criticism. Though on that note, plenty of rom-coms have dealt with deeper stuff. For example, Kaguya-sama, which is far more outlandish and less grounded in the comedy department, is perfectly grounded and realistic in the drama department (especially the manga). I think that is the gold standard rom-coms ought to aim for. Furthermore, nobody should be told to "just drop the series if this bothers you". Sure, that's an option. But it's also possible to enjoy aspects of a show and not others while keeping up with it. That's how I feel at least. Some of you MAL users need to have a reality check. Oddly enough, some of the people saying there's no toxicity are the toxic ones in this situation. |
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| Truthfully I don't like how Hori pressures Miyamura to go along with her kinks, especially in public. I also don't really like it most times when Hori hits Miyamura. But I wouldn't call their relationship unhealthy or toxic. It's easier to understand their relationship dynamic if you've read the manga. The anime skips over a lot of scenes with them (believe it or not) so we don't see the moments where Hori is really appreciative and caring towards him Also, I don't see why people are calling Hori homophobic. My boyfriend gets complimented by other men often, just like Miyamura does, and I've made a similar (or even the same) joke about how he cant' date other men. But I say that because I don't want him to leave me for another person, not because I care if his new partner is a guy |
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