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Feb 18, 2021 9:49 PM
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So she's gone from wanting nothing more than to protect her family by the end of season 1, to willingly sacrificing one of the children to eat an unknown species (that could've potentially been poisonous) between episodes 3 and 4, and now just suddenly wants to gather peace with the demons? What the hell?

Did she completely forget the entire reason she gathered everyone to escape the farms? Did she completely forget seeing Connie's lifeless, cold body back in episode 1?

You went through all this effort to protect your family and now you're gonna risk it all for the sake of living peacefully WITH the demons?

Plus did she forget the whole reason WHY the world was split in two: the conflict between humans and demons forced them to live separately from one another. Wtf is she gonna do that humans didn't try in the past?

She literally only met TWO demons that didn't want to try and kill them. It's been, what, a year at this point and you haven't met a single other demon like Sonju and Mujika? And yet you're basing your ideals of wanting to coexist peacefully with the demons just off of those two?

2 out of the hundreds upon possibly thousands of demons you've met does not justify the reasoning behind your plans. I'm not some professional statistics guy, but these numbers seem to give every reason to reject your hypothesis.
Feb 18, 2021 10:08 PM
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AzNKrysis said:
So she's gone from wanting nothing more than to protect her family by the end of season 1, to willingly sacrificing one of the children to eat an unknown species (that could've potentially been poisonous) between episodes 3 and 4, and now just suddenly wants to gather peace with the demons? What the hell?

Did she completely forget the entire reason she gathered everyone to escape the farms? Did she completely forget seeing Connie's lifeless, cold body back in episode 1?

You went through all this effort to protect your family and now you're gonna risk it all for the sake of living peacefully WITH the demons?

Plus did she forget the whole reason WHY the world was split in two: the conflict between humans and demons forced them to live separately from one another. Wtf is she gonna do that humans didn't try in the past?

She literally only met TWO demons that didn't want to try and kill them. It's been, what, a year at this point and you haven't met a single other demon like Sonju and Mujika? And yet you're basing your ideals of wanting to coexist peacefully with the demons just off of those two?

2 out of the hundreds upon possibly thousands of demons you've met does not justify the reasoning behind your plans. I'm not some professional statistics guy, but these numbers seem to give every reason to reject your hypothesis.


It happened in the manga and was starting in this point that everything went downhill for me. Emma was so childish with this "demons have families too!" that she put everyone in danger and didnt even care because "killing demons is what bad people do"
Feb 18, 2021 10:09 PM
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I can sense Attack on Titan vibes here...Emma=Armin, Norman=Eren...I don't know how the story will go after so many manga skip (I'm not a manga reader actually, but I watch the comparison and it's pretty massive), but yeah, I feel the story is kinda like rushed and now they're forced to shape it, but I don't know, half of me is still enjoying this show, but the other half is saying that yeah, just not as good as season 1...(it just feel rushed, really, you can tell from the dialogue, too)...
Feb 18, 2021 10:10 PM
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AzNKrysis said:
So she's gone from wanting nothing more than to protect her family by the end of season 1, to willingly sacrificing one of the children to eat an unknown species (that could've potentially been poisonous) between episodes 3 and 4, and now just suddenly wants to gather peace with the demons? What the hell?

Did she completely forget the entire reason she gathered everyone to escape the farms? Did she completely forget seeing Connie's lifeless, cold body back in episode 1?

You went through all this effort to protect your family and now you're gonna risk it all for the sake of living peacefully WITH the demons?

Plus did she forget the whole reason WHY the world was split in two: the conflict between humans and demons forced them to live separately from one another. Wtf is she gonna do that humans didn't try in the past?

She literally only met TWO demons that didn't want to try and kill them. It's been, what, a year at this point and you haven't met a single other demon like Sonju and Mujika? And yet you're basing your ideals of wanting to coexist peacefully with the demons just off of those two?

2 out of the hundreds upon possibly thousands of demons you've met does not justify the reasoning behind your plans. I'm not some professional statistics guy, but these numbers seem to give every reason to reject your hypothesis.
AzNKrysis said:
So she's gone from wanting nothing more than to protect her family by the end of season 1, to willingly sacrificing one of the children to eat an unknown species (that could've potentially been poisonous) between episodes 3 and 4, and now just suddenly wants to gather peace with the demons? What the hell?

Did she completely forget the entire reason she gathered everyone to escape the farms? Did she completely forget seeing Connie's lifeless, cold body back in episode 1?

You went through all this effort to protect your family and now you're gonna risk it all for the sake of living peacefully WITH the demons?

Plus did she forget the whole reason WHY the world was split in two: the conflict between humans and demons forced them to live separately from one another. Wtf is she gonna do that humans didn't try in the past?

She literally only met TWO demons that didn't want to try and kill them. It's been, what, a year at this point and you haven't met a single other demon like Sonju and Mujika? And yet you're basing your ideals of wanting to coexist peacefully with the demons just off of those two?

2 out of the hundreds upon possibly thousands of demons you've met does not justify the reasoning behind your plans. I'm not some professional statistics guy, but these numbers seem to give every reason to reject your hypothesis.


you really dont know how much i hate her character because of this, she could have been responsible for the death of every member of her family because of this and the story just ignore this problem like is not a big deal. Everyone could be dead because Emma. EVERYONE.
KbenicioFeb 18, 2021 10:15 PM
Feb 18, 2021 10:13 PM
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Jk9 said:
I can sense Attack on Titan vibes here...Emma=Armin, Norman=Eren...I don't know how the story will go after so many manga skip (I'm not a manga reader actually, but I watch the comparison and it's pretty massive), but yeah, I feel the story is kinda like rushed and now they're forced to shape it, but I don't know, half of me is still enjoying this show, but the other half is saying that yeah, just not as good as season 1...(it just feel rushed, really, you can tell from the dialogue, too)...


At least in snk is something that makes some sense.. i mean, armin and everyone knows that eren's plan is the only way to save the eldian, but is clear to the readers that everyone is choosing to ignore this because they dont want their friend to turn into...well, i'll not spoiler this for other people but i guess you know what i'm talking about.
Feb 18, 2021 10:58 PM
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Norman in the manga is the only one who thinks this way, sees demons eating his friends and family, realizes that there’s no way to coexist and kills them all, Emma fails to stop it and they leave anyway after fucking up their world so much. Point is Norman did nothing wrong and Emma is a Shonen jump protagonist
said the lolicon bastard
Feb 19, 2021 4:15 AM
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I don’t think it’s a shift. She’s been idealistic since the beginning.
Feb 19, 2021 4:47 AM
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I don't see how her character is changed " I don't want to kill demons" that's something I would expect from Emma
Feb 19, 2021 7:18 AM
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I'm still in disbelief of this. Can't believe the author is taking it this route. Very clichéd and underwhelming.
Feb 19, 2021 8:56 AM

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I don’t think it’s a shift. She’s been idealistic since the beginning.


She has but in this case I think it's mostly the lack of build up shown until she reached that intetion. I mean, yeah, they've lived near a demon village for not sure how long and I'm sure she got to understand a bit more about the demons but we the audience haven't..

Things like this can work (although persoanlly I'm not much of a fan of it.. it was the same in the manga but oh well) but it does mostly come down to execution and in that aspect the pacin's not helping at all.

And the whole thing with trying the food really goes against the type of person she was set up to be. Same for Ray in this situation.
"In the past few months since we met, I've shared many memories with Nagato. Though I've also shared memories with Haruhi, Asahina-san and Koizumi, I found that I've experienced more events with Nagato in particular. In fact, every situation seems to involve her. I might as well mention this, she's probably the only person to cause the bell within me to shake the most vigorously..." ~ Kyon, TMOSH
Feb 19, 2021 9:44 AM

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no shift at all. she never mentioned wanting to exterminate demons.
Protesters, assemble!!
Feb 19, 2021 1:17 PM
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Puhoi said:
no shift at all. she never mentioned wanting to exterminate demons.


It is a shift because she's constantly taking routes that's risking her family's lives. She went from willing to do whatever it took for their safety to now prioritizing her ideals. Mind you this entire shift in character was solely based on two demons that she'd only known for a couple days. On top of that, she's constantly putting the other children's lives at risk by taking a chance on an extra pair of hands to help gather resources in the demon town and sacrificing one of them to eat a potentially hazardous dish.
Feb 19, 2021 3:32 PM

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Lets be honest: If this show was realistic and if there was no plot armor most of the kids troop would be dead already. Emma risked their lifes so many times already for her own ideals.
Feb 19, 2021 6:14 PM

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It's weird because they removed 100 chapters of worldbuilding and character development

tho when she said this in the manga, lotsa people were pissed off too, and she had far more reason to say this in manga than here

Kbenicio said:
AzNKrysis said:
So she's gone from wanting nothing more than to protect her family by the end of season 1, to willingly sacrificing one of the children to eat an unknown species (that could've potentially been poisonous) between episodes 3 and 4, and now just suddenly wants to gather peace with the demons? What the hell?

Did she completely forget the entire reason she gathered everyone to escape the farms? Did she completely forget seeing Connie's lifeless, cold body back in episode 1?

You went through all this effort to protect your family and now you're gonna risk it all for the sake of living peacefully WITH the demons?

Plus did she forget the whole reason WHY the world was split in two: the conflict between humans and demons forced them to live separately from one another. Wtf is she gonna do that humans didn't try in the past?

She literally only met TWO demons that didn't want to try and kill them. It's been, what, a year at this point and you haven't met a single other demon like Sonju and Mujika? And yet you're basing your ideals of wanting to coexist peacefully with the demons just off of those two?

2 out of the hundreds upon possibly thousands of demons you've met does not justify the reasoning behind your plans. I'm not some professional statistics guy, but these numbers seem to give every reason to reject your hypothesis.


It happened in the manga and was starting in this point that everything went downhill for me. Emma was so childish with this "demons have families too!" that she put everyone in danger and didnt even care because "killing demons is what bad people do"


That's not the problem in manga, the problem in manga was that she did that, and then everyone pandered to her feelings and everything went according to Emma's wishes in the end with little to no consequences or loss. No level of suspension of disbelief could excuse this level of plot armor and talk no jutsu, and Emma became insufferable mary sue. It felt like
it was like some kind of wish fulfilment delirious dream of hers.
KuroNekoAlchemyFeb 19, 2021 6:19 PM
Feb 20, 2021 12:11 AM

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AzNKrysis said:
Puhoi said:
no shift at all. she never mentioned wanting to exterminate demons.


It is a shift because she's constantly taking routes that's risking her family's lives. She went from willing to do whatever it took for their safety to now prioritizing her ideals. Mind you this entire shift in character was solely based on two demons that she'd only known for a couple days. On top of that, she's constantly putting the other children's lives at risk by taking a chance on an extra pair of hands to help gather resources in the demon town and sacrificing one of them to eat a potentially hazardous dish.


maybe i wasn't clear. she has been the same idealistic, selfish, reckless character since the beginning; she never really changed. if it looks like a shift it might be because the anime skipped over 60 chapters. for me, her character is what stops this series from being a masterpiece. to add another thing, don't know if this was international on the creators' part, but emma looks quite distressed and even envious that norman accomplished so much more than she did.
CartoonViolenceFeb 20, 2021 1:38 AM
Protesters, assemble!!
Feb 20, 2021 1:02 AM
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KuroNekoAlchemy said:
It's weird because they removed 100 chapters of worldbuilding and character development

tho when she said this in the manga, lotsa people were pissed off too, and she had far more reason to say this in manga than here

Kbenicio said:


It happened in the manga and was starting in this point that everything went downhill for me. Emma was so childish with this "demons have families too!" that she put everyone in danger and didnt even care because "killing demons is what bad people do"


That's not the problem in manga, the problem in manga was that she did that, and then everyone pandered to her feelings and everything went according to Emma's wishes in the end with little to no consequences or loss. No level of suspension of disbelief could excuse this level of plot armor and talk no jutsu, and Emma became insufferable mary sue. It felt like
it was like some kind of wish fulfilment delirious dream of hers.


true, the last chapter was so bad that i forgot that this happened..
Feb 20, 2021 9:59 AM
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it's unrealistic how everything just works out for them after Emma decides that demons aren't all that bad because she met mujika... Her idealism was annoying through out the series
Feb 20, 2021 11:31 PM
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I implore everyone who's anime only and are trying to get through the anime when they're not truly enjoying it.... DROP NOW AND READ THE MANGA. If you're not a manga fan and are dead set on not reading it, then I'd still suggest dropping this season 2 stinker.
I hate Emma's characterization in the anime because this isn't the Emma from the manga. The anime is showing Emma's stance to be "all demons lives matter", which is hogwash.
The anime is spoiling plot points while at the same time, twisting those plot points around, making these great characters and story, vapid, hollow and straight up annoyingly stupid.
And on top of that the anime has skipped important characters, character development, to an insane degree so there's no context to what they are choosing to keep as content, from the manga source material. Basically its animating just the bare minimum of the storyline, then simplifying it so as to not include any prior content they had chosen to remove completely from the story. And because they removed SO MUCH (I'd say close to 90% of important information needed for the story to develop up to this point in episode 6, hence the plot holes that occur in the anime) is the reason why everything seems ridiculously out of place and out of character... because there's no context on the opinions and views of these characters.
Also they are STILL cutting content. What the anime is showing, is not Norman's whole strategy in the manga, and also this is not Emma's stance in the manga as well. There's A LOT more to what's supposed to be going down and Emma is on board with MOST of what Norman's plan is but disagree's with a certain portion of it.
Emma and Ray, also found a flaw in his plan that could make the goal of causing the extinction of the demon race, to backfire on them, with the poison not working (theres a substance that nullifies it).
Not to mention her and Ray have already been working on their own plan and solution, before they even knew Norman was alive, and their plan would also obtain favorable results for humans in the end as well (and no, the plan doesn't involve coexisting with the demons.....at all)
Their thinking is that going along with their plan would have the extra advantage that it wouldn't rely on Norman shouldering all the burden like it would if they went along with his.
And there's ANOTHER reason why Emma is against Norman's plan. Norman's hiding something and she knows that somethings up, she just doesn't know what (but its all tied into his decisions and choices moving forward with his plan) and she's scared for him.
Absolutely NONE of this is presented in the anime. It's been simplified and dumbed down or completely ignored, so they can speed rush to the end and finish the series.
Idk why they thought they could pull off condensing 144 chapters (15 and 1/2 volumes) into 11 episodes, but this is what happens, what you get when you do ....a complete clusterfuck.
So in conclusion, why bother doing the bare minimum of telling this story at all? Since obviously they don't want to put in any effort on telling a good solid story (which TPN is) why bother? All the anime is doing is giving out spoilers from the manga, but also twisting them in such a way to make it seem like the whole story's a flop that's not worth it. Which sux cause it's really a good series (mmmmm 🤔 well, good just minus the last arch in volumes 19 and 20, that is lol)
Ergo_Kitty_KatFeb 21, 2021 1:06 AM

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