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Feb 2, 2021 5:45 AM
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Just forget about him; njoy and focus on Rudeus' story, the show mentioned that Paul is a scum and he isn't the main character anyway. I do feel bad for Zenith, but it's already happened just move on.
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The thing is, just don't drop it.
But if it's too much for you than it's okay to drop it : 3

Thanks for reading this is my first post.

Mod Edit: Added spoiler to the title as it contains information which is not covered in the anime (yet).
Koito91Feb 6, 2021 1:32 PM
Feb 2, 2021 6:18 AM
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The problem I have is that while they do admit that Paul is scum, and he isn't the main charecter, Rudeus is exactly the same as Paul or worse considering the fact he's mentally 40, and Rudeus is the main charecter. You're not wrong if you like the anime despite Paul and Rudeus' mind, but stop telling others they are wrong for not liking the anime for that
EpIcChEeSeMaNFeb 2, 2021 8:15 AM
Feb 2, 2021 6:23 AM
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EpIcChEeSeMaN said:
The problem I have is that while they do admit that Paul is scum, and he isn't the main charecter, Rudeus is exactly the same as Paul or worse considering the fact he's mentally 40, and Rudeus is the main charecter. You're not wrong if you like the anime despite Paul and Rudeus' mind, stop telling others they are wrong for not liking the anime for that


He didnt say they are wrong for not liking the anime because of this. He said not to drop it and forget about paul
Feb 2, 2021 6:39 AM
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Problem with anime is that it left out a lot of shit on each of their side.

If you only look at it from anime watcher Paul just cheated.
But in Novel it's established that Paul is a massively popular womanizer with massive hard on for huge donkers and literally live in society where polygamy is accepted and marriage is as formal as announcing to your neighbors and friend "We're married now" and done.

When he decided to marry Zenith he decided to respect her religion (which came from whole another continent BTW) and abstaining from other woman despite his massive popularity.

Also Paul is a scum and serial rapist, we got 2 named victim from main cast so far (Ghlysaine and Lilia) and probably there's more and Zenith accepted the risk when she decided to marry him to the point she already brace herself if one day random kid just came in and say he/she's Paul child she'll be accepting about it.

TL:DR The situation is really complicated. When Zenith decided to marry Paul she THOUGHT she have the resolve to stay with him even if she got another woman.. Turns out for years Paul does nothing so she let her guard down. However what shocked her more than Paul knocking up Lilia is the fact that the partner is Lilia since Zenith trusted her. The result she get emotional and forgot her resolve.

even more TL:DR
- Zenith THOUGHT she have the resolve to tolerate Paul being unfaithful to some degree but turns out she doesn't
- Paul THOUGHT that he could stay loyal to Zenith, turns out he couldn't
- Lilia THOUGHT that one time is probably fine, turns out it's not fine.

This whole shit is due to imperfect character being imperfect which is why it's great
Feb 2, 2021 6:43 AM
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You are literally giving people another motive to drop the show
Feb 2, 2021 7:04 AM
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Can a randomly useless thread like this stop? You even tell us spoilers without using spoiler tag. WTF

FioraSam said:
You are literally giving people another motive to drop the show

Unfortunately, he does
Avvenire__Feb 2, 2021 7:07 AM
Feb 2, 2021 7:07 AM
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So excited to see naughty things he's going to do

🤣🤣🤣
Feb 2, 2021 7:12 AM
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They said it in the anime the maid seduce Paul because she was hearing those two have sex most of the time and wanted to have sex too. Yes its the maid's fault for seducing Paul and yes it's Paul's fault for getting seduced but at least the problem got fixed and the 4 of them plus the 2 new babys that came in the world live peacefully
Feb 2, 2021 8:17 AM
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HigekiTragedy said:
Problem with anime is that it left out a lot of shit on each of their side.

If you only look at it from anime watcher Paul just cheated.
But in Novel it's established that Paul is a massively popular womanizer with massive hard on for huge donkers and literally live in society where polygamy is accepted and marriage is as formal as announcing to your neighbors and friend "We're married now" and done.

When he decided to marry Zenith he decided to respect her religion (which came from whole another continent BTW) and abstaining from other woman despite his massive popularity.

Also Paul is a scum and serial rapist, we got 2 named victim from main cast so far (Ghlysaine and Lilia) and probably there's more and Zenith accepted the risk when she decided to marry him to the point she already brace herself if one day random kid just came in and say he/she's Paul child she'll be accepting about it.

TL:DR The situation is really complicated. When Zenith decided to marry Paul she THOUGHT she have the resolve to stay with him even if she got another woman.. Turns out for years Paul does nothing so she let her guard down. However what shocked her more than Paul knocking up Lilia is the fact that the partner is Lilia since Zenith trusted her. The result she get emotional and forgot her resolve.

even more TL:DR
- Zenith THOUGHT she have the resolve to tolerate Paul being unfaithful to some degree but turns out she doesn't
- Paul THOUGHT that he could stay loyal to Zenith, turns out he couldn't
- Lilia THOUGHT that one time is probably fine, turns out it's not fine.

This whole shit is due to imperfect character being imperfect which is why it's great
You made Paul look like more of scum to me ngl
Feb 2, 2021 8:58 AM
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Wait there is people who drop because of this? LMAO
Feb 2, 2021 9:02 AM

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bruh, let them drop
Feb 2, 2021 10:23 AM

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It’s kinda funny how people shit on isekai for always being the same generic cookie cutter bullshit, but then one does something different with real people as characters and not tropes and people drop it
Feb 2, 2021 10:56 AM

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I actually would just prefer if there was only one main girl ...
3 wifes? Come on, that sucks
Feb 3, 2021 1:47 AM
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EpIcChEeSeMaN said:
HigekiTragedy said:
Problem with anime is that it left out a lot of shit on each of their side.

If you only look at it from anime watcher Paul just cheated.
But in Novel it's established that Paul is a massively popular womanizer with massive hard on for huge donkers and literally live in society where polygamy is accepted and marriage is as formal as announcing to your neighbors and friend "We're married now" and done.

When he decided to marry Zenith he decided to respect her religion (which came from whole another continent BTW) and abstaining from other woman despite his massive popularity.

Also Paul is a scum and serial rapist, we got 2 named victim from main cast so far (Ghlysaine and Lilia) and probably there's more and Zenith accepted the risk when she decided to marry him to the point she already brace herself if one day random kid just came in and say he/she's Paul child she'll be accepting about it.

TL:DR The situation is really complicated. When Zenith decided to marry Paul she THOUGHT she have the resolve to stay with him even if she got another woman.. Turns out for years Paul does nothing so she let her guard down. However what shocked her more than Paul knocking up Lilia is the fact that the partner is Lilia since Zenith trusted her. The result she get emotional and forgot her resolve.

even more TL:DR
- Zenith THOUGHT she have the resolve to tolerate Paul being unfaithful to some degree but turns out she doesn't
- Paul THOUGHT that he could stay loyal to Zenith, turns out he couldn't
- Lilia THOUGHT that one time is probably fine, turns out it's not fine.

This whole shit is due to imperfect character being imperfect which is why it's great
You made Paul look like more of scum to me ngl


That is the point : He IS a scum

Or rather he got his flaws but that doesn't means he's ALL flaws. In that world Paul is still considered highly attractive, and a good person. This is why Mushoku is a good Isekai because ANOTHER world means ANOTHER set of values.

Or what you want your isekai to be a chaotic melting pot of anachronistic culture where the society is stuck at feodal middle age yet people have modern sensibilities? You better of watching other generic Isekai for that.
Feb 3, 2021 2:08 AM
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Honestly, I highly doubt most people are going to drop the series. From my experience, they are just bluffing. Lmao watch them partake in the newer episode discussion and then continue to rant.

It's the same shit. They just want attention.

This anime is getting too controversial to be dropped. I feel like it is only going to get better because the adventure is just starting. I can't wait to see more of the world building.
I like dub more than sub because I am not a weeb.
Feb 3, 2021 5:18 AM
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HigekiTragedy said:
Problem with anime is that it left out a lot of shit on each of their side.

If you only look at it from anime watcher Paul just cheated.
But in Novel it's established that Paul is a massively popular womanizer with massive hard on for huge donkers and literally live in society where polygamy is accepted and marriage is as formal as announcing to your neighbors and friend "We're married now" and done.

When he decided to marry Zenith he decided to respect her religion (which came from whole another continent BTW) and abstaining from other woman despite his massive popularity.

Also Paul is a scum and serial rapist, we got 2 named victim from main cast so far (Ghlysaine and Lilia) and probably there's more and Zenith accepted the risk when she decided to marry him to the point she already brace herself if one day random kid just came in and say he/she's Paul child she'll be accepting about it.

TL:DR The situation is really complicated. When Zenith decided to marry Paul she THOUGHT she have the resolve to stay with him even if she got another woman.. Turns out for years Paul does nothing so she let her guard down. However what shocked her more than Paul knocking up Lilia is the fact that the partner is Lilia since Zenith trusted her. The result she get emotional and forgot her resolve.

even more TL:DR
- Zenith THOUGHT she have the resolve to tolerate Paul being unfaithful to some degree but turns out she doesn't
- Paul THOUGHT that he could stay loyal to Zenith, turns out he couldn't
- Lilia THOUGHT that one time is probably fine, turns out it's not fine.

This whole shit is due to imperfect character being imperfect which is why it's great


Imprefection character writing includes rape and then moving in with the guy that raped the girl ?
Feb 3, 2021 9:46 AM
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Destined_One said:
HigekiTragedy said:
Problem with anime is that it left out a lot of shit on each of their side.

If you only look at it from anime watcher Paul just cheated.
But in Novel it's established that Paul is a massively popular womanizer with massive hard on for huge donkers and literally live in society where polygamy is accepted and marriage is as formal as announcing to your neighbors and friend "We're married now" and done.

When he decided to marry Zenith he decided to respect her religion (which came from whole another continent BTW) and abstaining from other woman despite his massive popularity.

Also Paul is a scum and serial rapist, we got 2 named victim from main cast so far (Ghlysaine and Lilia) and probably there's more and Zenith accepted the risk when she decided to marry him to the point she already brace herself if one day random kid just came in and say he/she's Paul child she'll be accepting about it.

TL:DR The situation is really complicated. When Zenith decided to marry Paul she THOUGHT she have the resolve to stay with him even if she got another woman.. Turns out for years Paul does nothing so she let her guard down. However what shocked her more than Paul knocking up Lilia is the fact that the partner is Lilia since Zenith trusted her. The result she get emotional and forgot her resolve.

even more TL:DR
- Zenith THOUGHT she have the resolve to tolerate Paul being unfaithful to some degree but turns out she doesn't
- Paul THOUGHT that he could stay loyal to Zenith, turns out he couldn't
- Lilia THOUGHT that one time is probably fine, turns out it's not fine.

This whole shit is due to imperfect character being imperfect which is why it's great


Imprefection character writing includes rape and then moving in with the guy that raped the girl ?


You're missing the context

Lilia originally worked for the Royalty of said kingdom but due to work related injury she's forced to quit and look for new job.

When she's looking for job she stumbled upon Paul notice and LITERALLY thinks that she could blackmail her way in to that job.

Lilia herself actually doesn't mind that much about the rape because she's not completely against it.. this is because Paul is hot and strong (and noble too) While this thought process are entirely alien for me, I've seen similar alien thought process on smut aimed at women so I guess it's possible.

Again PERSONALLY I would against doing something like that if I were in Lilia shoes but I'm not close minded enough to think that everyone else think like me.

I mean my wife love Twilight and thinks it's hot.. and I don't think I would ever understand her PoV even if I turned into sparkly vampire and have eternity to contemplate
Feb 3, 2021 11:13 AM
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HigekiTragedy said:
EpIcChEeSeMaN said:
You made Paul look like more of scum to me ngl


That is the point : He IS a scum

Or rather he got his flaws but that doesn't means he's ALL flaws. In that world Paul is still considered highly attractive, and a good person. This is why Mushoku is a good Isekai because ANOTHER world means ANOTHER set of values.

Or what you want your isekai to be a chaotic melting pot of anachronistic culture where the society is stuck at feodal middle age yet people have modern sensibilities? You better of watching other generic Isekai for that.
Sure, another world might mean another set of values, but you're kinda pulling this fact out of your ass because there are only three characters with those said different values and one of them is from our world, everyone else seem to look down on those kinds of scummy values and there is no mention as far as I can remember in the anime that that stuff is the norm. Even so, just because it might not be seen as wrong doesn't mean i'm wrong because I know it's wrong, just because Paul might not be seen as evil in this world doesn't mean I have to enjoy the fact that Paul raped a girl, but then the girl thought it was smart to move in with the guy who raped her
Feb 3, 2021 10:30 PM

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eXtripa69 said:
I actually would just prefer if there was only one main girl ...
3 wifes? Come on, that sucks

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