So Subaru unknowingly loves Rem?

Oct 27, 2020 2:01 PM

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I remember that Carmilla takes on the shape of the person you love right?

No. It's not related to 'love'.

It takes the shape of the person you want to see right now.

Rem helped Subaru back in Season 1 when he was stuck in a similar situation, so he thought about Rem that time.

Oct 27, 2020 5:47 PM

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Subaru was just sad that his favorite vegetable was afk. Nothing more.
As for Carmilla, she is called the witch of "LUST" for a reason.
No where does it say Subaru loves Rem. Tappei CORRECTED NOT REMOVED these lines in the LN since WN was written 6 years ago.
Subaru's feelings for Rem stems from his guilt of not being able to save her.
And beyond this is spoiler territory, but

TL;DR:- Rem represents Subaru's greed and lust. Nothing more

Oct 28, 2020 4:24 AM

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authies said:
I remember that Carmilla takes on the shape of the person you love right?
In Subaru's case, Carmilla turned into Rem. Does that man he loves Rem over Emillia?
Am I missing something?

he cares for her both he loves both emilia and rem

Oct 28, 2020 4:34 AM

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Holy crud, the anime adaptation is bad at conveying things. Yes, ever since Rem confessed to him in episode 18, he had feelings for her. If you read the WN, you would know that after the whale battle Subaru confessed her feelings towards Rem.

authies said:
I remember that Carmilla takes on the shape of the person you love right?

In Subaru's case, Carmilla turned into Rem. Does that man he loves Rem over Emillia?
Am I missing something?

At that point, he loved Rem more than Emilia. He needed support more than anything. Carmilla took the form of the person he's thinking about the most in his heart. Subaru loves both of them.

Oct 30, 2020 8:16 AM

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WNchad said:
Holy crud, the anime adaptation is bad at conveying things. Yes, ever since Rem confessed to him in episode 18, he had feelings for her. If you read the WN, you would know that after the whale battle Subaru confessed her feelings towards Rem.

Muh the anime adaptation is bad at conveying things when Tappei is actually one of the staff members? lol
Confessed his feelings? lmao
You forget to mention that Rem faked her death at that time and after that forced confession, Subaru even told Felix that "what am I supposed to do when Rem acted like that? My brain wasn't working properly" (something along this line).
So no, he never had feelings for Rem.

authies said:
At that point, he loved Rem more than Emilia. He needed support more than anything. Carmilla took the form of the person he's thinking about the most in his heart. Subaru loves both of them.

Love Rem more than Emilia? Love both of them?
If that is true why Emilia was the first one to appear in his memory during his first trial?
Here let me specify some things:-
Firstly, Subaru does not want to show his ugly side to Emilia. Rem is an ugly side dumpster for him and nothing more as Bexocat said.
Secondly, you seem to think LN is inferior I assume? Well let me tell you all those bs line of love in WN are CORRECTED (let me emphasize it) AND NOT REMOVED. In arc 4, the chapter Subaru thinks about Emilia is called "love story" (even in WN). The chapter he thinks about Rem is called "kin".
Thirdly, from Interlude of Arc 3 in LN (volume 9).

Had it not been for Rem, the Subaru sitting before Emilia would not have existed.

That was why Subaru harbored deep feelings for Rem that were special in their own way. Even if they were different from those he felt for Emilia, nothing else could compare to their strength and size.

His feeling to Rem was because she helped save Emilia.
And he clearly mentioned that feeling was different from his feeling to Emilia.
Beyond this is spoiler territory for a WN chad but here:-

Now the last and most important point.
Do you know why author made this story? So that Subaru makes a harem? To create Rem? No!
Do you know who is his favorite character? Not Subaru! Not Rem! Not Patrasche!
Author has specified in his interview:-
(this is in 2018 memory snow event)

Now you understand why you see some changes in LN?
Arc 4 WN was written 6 years ago when the author was somewhat inexperienced with writing but he corrected many things in LN (3 years ago). And yes, LN is edited by Tappei himself

Swapnil12345 said:
he cares for her both he loves both emilia and rem

Where does he say that in the LN? (except when Rem forced a confession out of Subaru by acting dead).
I am interested now.

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Oct 30, 2020 8:23 AM

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swirlydragon said:

WNchad said:
Holy crud, the anime adaptation is bad at conveying things. Yes, ever since Rem confessed to him in episode 18, he had feelings for her. If you read the WN, you would know that after the whale battle Subaru confessed her feelings towards Rem.

Ah yes, the WNchad. Muh the anime adaptation is bad at conveying things when Tappei is actually one of the staff members? lol
Confessed his feelings? lmao
You forget to mention that Rem faked her death at that time and after that forced confession, Subaru even told Felix that "what am I supposed to do when Rem acted like that? My brain wasn't working properly" (something along this line).
So no, he never had feelings for Rem.

authies said:
At that point, he loved Rem more than Emilia. He needed support more than anything. Carmilla took the form of the person he's thinking about the most in his heart. Subaru loves both of them.

Love Rem more than Emilia? Love both of them?
If that is true why Emilia was the first one to appear in his memory during his first trial?
You seem to know very little for someone who calls himself a WN chad.
Here let me specify some things:-
Firstly, Subaru does not want to show his ugly side to Emilia. Rem is an ugly side dumpster for him and nothing more as Bexocat said.
Secondly, you seem to think LN is inferior I assume? Well let me tell you all those bs line of love in WN are CORRECTED (let me emphasize it) AND NOT REMOVED. In arc 4, the chapter Subaru thinks about Emilia is called "love story" (even in WN). The chapter he thinks about Rem is called "kin".
Thirdly, from Interlude of Arc 3 in LN (volume 9).

Had it not been for Rem, the Subaru sitting before Emilia would not have existed.

That was why Subaru harbored deep feelings for Rem that were special in their own way. Even if they were different from those he felt for Emilia, nothing else could compare to their strength and size.

His feeling to Rem was because she helped save Emilia.
And he clearly mentioned that feeling was different from his feeling to Emilia.
Beyond this is spoiler territory for a WN chad but here:-

Now the last and most important point.
Do you know why author made this story? So that Subaru makes a harem? To create Rem? No!
Do you know who is his favorite character? Not Subaru! Not Rem! Not Patrasche!
Author has specified in his interview:-
(this is in 2018 memory snow event)

Now you understand why you see some changes in LN?
Arc 4 WN was written 6 years ago when the author was somewhat inexperienced with writing but he corrected many things in LN (3 years ago). And yes, LN is edited by Tappei himself

Swapnil12345 said:
he cares for her both he loves both emilia and rem

Where does he say that in the LN? (except when Rem forced a confession out of Subaru by acting dead).
I am interested now.

No offense, but I'm not reading all that. It's clear you have a huge bias for Emilia just in the first paragraph. And I don't want to argue about waifus, that's the last thing on my priority list.

Oct 30, 2020 8:31 AM

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Yes, Subaru loves Rem more than Emilia. The latter is there, just like Yui in Oregairu for the sake of a love triangle.

@WNchad - you should check some of his threads. I can guarantee that there isn't a single one where he doesn't trash-talk rem. It's hilarious when you think of it since Felix is the actual best girl anyway.

Oct 30, 2020 8:34 AM

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@WNchad - you should check some of his threads. I can guarantee that there isn't a single one where he doesn't trash-talk rem. It's hilarious when you think of it as Felix is the actual best girl anyway.

Holy crud. I thought me shilling the WN was a waste of time but at least some people are going with the meme and even reading it.

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wape said:
Yes, Subaru loves Rem more than Emilia. The latter is there, just like Yui in Oregairu for the sake of a love triangle.

@WNchad - you should check some of his threads. I can guarantee that there isn't a single one where he doesn't trash-talk rem. It's hilarious when you think of it since Felix is the actual best girl anyway.

@wape -LMAO, where the hell did you even get this information from. Swirlydragon literally pointed out facts from the WN and LN and still you deny those facts and believe in some bullshit. Get yourself a brain first before reading the story beforehand. Also, as pointed out by him earlier there's no mention of him loving rem "romantically" whatsoever. He just has a lot of feelings for just because she had helped him save Emilia and got them together, that's it. He doesn't have feelings for her beyond this point.

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WNchad said:

wape said:
@WNchad - you should check some of his threads. I can guarantee that there isn't a single one where he doesn't trash-talk rem. It's hilarious when you think of it as Felix is the actual best girl anyway.

Holy crud. I thought me shilling the WN was a waste of time but at least some people are going with the meme and even reading it.

@WNchad -The WN is good but it doesn't compare to the LN at all. Also, the WN is a fan translation so there is a lot of chance of it being tampered with or changed. An example is the Translator "RemonWater" from WitchCultTranslations. He literally added multiple sentences in the first Chapters of Arc-6 which had some conversation about rem in it.
The LN is best as it the sorted out, more accurate and also sensible.
Also, the LN is written in a way so that it can be adapted in the animé, the WN on the other hand cannot be adapted as it is bloated and exaggerated which is impossible to fit in an adaptation of 25 episodes with the runtime of each episode being 25 minutes. Just keep this fact and logic in your mind before jumping to unnecessary conclusions.

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wape said:
Yes, Subaru loves Rem more than Emilia. The latter is there, just like Yui in Oregairu for the sake of a love triangle.

@WNchad - you should check some of his threads. I can guarantee that there isn't a single one where he doesn't trash-talk rem. It's hilarious when you think of it since Felix is the actual best girl anyway.

@wape - For your information this is no Oregairu. Don't compare this masterpiece to some bullshit romcom. The author already has everything planned out. One more thing if you watch/read this series for rem and
Subaru to get together, better drop it as it not going ot happen at all.

Also, if you want to defend your opinions, better come prepared with actual facts and excerpts from the story and not some made up bullshit.

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WNchad said:

wape said:
@WNchad - you should check some of his threads. I can guarantee that there isn't a single one where he doesn't trash-talk rem. It's hilarious when you think of it as Felix is the actual best girl anyway.

Holy crud. I thought me shilling the WN was a waste of time but at least some people are going with the meme and even reading it.

@WNchad -
Also, I saw your comments in the profile of one my friends in which you were staying the LN is trash but that is not the case at all. The WN is just a draft and the LN is the finished product. You were stating something about the editor deleting all the stuff out of the WN which clearly isn't the case. The editor is just for the corrections to the typos in the final product and he also ensures that some vulgarity or lines which conflict with the earlier parts of the story do not make it's way into the book.

Tappei can change the editor/publisher anytime he wants since this series is one of the most successful ones in all of history. There will be many publishers who would not leave the opportunity to take tappei into their department and he is not in any sort of industrial pressure or anything of that sort.

The changes in the LN are his own corrections/additions which he thinks are necessary in that part of the story. No editor is involved here.

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Ok now, this is my type of argument. I'm not gonna argue about waifus but my favorite story and how it's constructed.

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The WN is good but it doesn't compare to the LN at all.

Yeah, the LN doesn't compare to the WN.

Deadly_Stan said:
Also, the WN is a fan translation so there is a lot of chance of it being tampered with or changed. An example is the Translator "RemonWater" from WitchCultTranslations. He literally added multiple sentences in the first Chapters of Arc-6 which had some conversation about rem in it.

I don't read fan translations

Deadly_Stan said:
The LN is best as it the sorted out, more accurate, and also sensible.

Yup, we got a magic rock teleporting Subaru everywhere. Makes a LOT of sense. Unlike in the senseless WN where Subaru has to explore through trial and error, the LN will just hands him all the things he needs. Do you need information about Ryuzu? Don't talk to her that's BORING, who cares if it establishes characterization lets just download all the information he WOULD'VE gotten from Ryuzu into his brain via WoE. Oh, you're about to get killed by Garfiel? O MY MAGIC ROCK, TELEPORT TO THE LABORATORY. Makes PERFECT sense.

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Also, the LN is written in a way so that it can be adapted in the animé,

Yes, so you're basically admitting the LN is suffering major limitations thanks to it being contract from his editor to make it into an anime?

Deadly_Stan said:
the WN on the other hand cannot be adapted as it is bloated and exaggerated which is impossible to fit in an adaptation of 25 episodes with the runtime of each episode being 25 minutes.

Yes, I agree the bloat is so unnecessary. Like, who needs to read Subaru's internal monologue to understand his feelings and actions? I mean I understand this is a psychological show exploring the mind of the user using RbD but WHO CARES? Like amirite?? And the banter is so useless, why do we have to make these characters likable? I only want these characters to mechanically move the plot forward NOT be actual moving people like damn. Yeah the LN is so much better with its robotic scene cuts and exposition dumping characters. LN is love, LN is life.

Deadly_Stan said:
Just keep this fact and logic in your mind before jumping to unnecessary conclusions.

If you call me reading, rereading, analyzing, comparing, and watching this series for THREE years "jumping to a conclusion" then what does "jumping to a conclusion" constitute for you?

Deadly_Stan said:
Also, I saw your comments in the profile of one of my friends in which you were staying the LN is trash but that is not the case at all. The WN is just a draft and the LN is the finished product. You were stating something about the editor deleting all the stuff out of the WN which clearly isn't the case. The editor is just for the corrections to the typos in the final product and he also ensures that some vulgarity or lines which conflict with the earlier parts of the story do not make it's way into the book.

Ok, we're going to ignore the interview where Tappei called the editor a madman for making him do the changes? The editor wanted to cut down on word count BUT add MORE scenes. So effectively, you're gutting all that makes these characters and story special in service of some useless scenes. Note, Tappei called his editor insane for this request. But, Tappei was STILL forced into doing it. Notice Arc 1 WN and LN arc 1. In the WN, Subaru makes monologues about plans and actions before he was about to be killed, but this is removed in the LN in service to add a child rescuing subplot. So not only do you remove all the wit and cunningness Subaru has to offer, but you also add useless scenes that already reiterated stuff we know. Yes I know for the last time Tappei, Emilia is a perfect angel that could no wrong, I know.

Deadly_Stan said:
Tappei can change the editor/publisher anytime he wants since this series is one of the most successful ones in all of history.

Still doesn't change the fact he "needs" an editor. Bleach, One Piece, and Naruto are some of the most successful manga and what do they all have in common? That's right, an editor.

Deadly_Stan said:
he is not in any sort of industrial pressure or anything of that sort.

Even though you said the LN needs to be adapted into an anime? Isn't that an industrial pressure?

Deadly_Stan said:
The changes in the LN are his own corrections/additions which he thinks are necessary in that part of the story. No editor is involved here.

Yeah, let's just ignore the afterwords where Tappei is forced to say thank you to his editor for all the changes and cuts.

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WNchad said:
Ok now, this is my type of argument. I'm not gonna argue about waifus but my favorite story and how it's constructed.