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Aug 15, 2020 8:53 AM
#1
I know I should wait and watch the movie before judging but based on the spoilers I've seen and read, they fucked up so many scenes with this adaptation. They removed Rider and Rin from the last part, literally paid Illya's character dust, and apparently removed the monologue from the Nine Lives scene??? What the hell is even going on here. Haven't heard news of Kirei yet but if they also fucked up his character then that's going to be the final nail in the coffin for me. On a brighter note, the Salter vs Medusa/Shirou fight looked dope. |
Aug 15, 2020 9:08 AM
#2
Yeah just read some spoilers they took out the nine live blade work scene but had a herc flashback instead. It seems like they didn't fuck up shirou vs kotomine though from what I read. This sucks Nine live blade work was my favorite monologue from the visual novel. |
Aug 15, 2020 9:13 AM
#3
Dull_Lull said: I know I should wait and watch the movie before judging but based on the spoilers I've seen and read, they fucked up so many scenes with this adaptation. They removed Rider and Rin from the last part, literally paid Illya's character dust, and apparently removed the monologue from the Nine Lives scene??? What the hell is even going on here. Haven't heard news of Kirei yet but if they also fucked up his character then that's going to be the final nail in the coffin for me. On a brighter note, the Salter vs Medusa/Shirou fight looked dope. There have been people who haven't watched spreading a lot of misinformation. Based off of those who did watch the movie, the movie sounds really good. They said that as opposed to the previous 2 movies which mostly focused on Sakura, this one gave more time to all of the characters. People who watched it said Illya had enough screen time and her last scene was done REALLY well (it was word-for-word, from what I've heard.) All of Kirei's scenes were intact (they even had his flashback with his wife Claudia killing herself and Kirei saying he wished he could've killed her,) and the movie took some time to draw parallels between Shirou and Kirei early in the movie to set up the final fight. The final fight has most of the dialogue intact, although some of the philosophical conversation before the fight is moved to during the fight (the fight itself is the exact same as in the VN, a brutal fistfight.) Some of Shirou's "memory loss" made it into the movie as well. The 3 founding families showed up in the movie and Zelretch has some dialogue too. Nine Lives didn't have most of the monologuing, from what I've heard, but everyone seems to be satisfied with how it was done (people say it was portrayed well enough visually that they weren't really miffed about how the monologues were cut out. They say the metaphorical wind scene with Archer was really good too.) For the epilogue, Rider and Rin are definitely present, but there isn't a recreation of the last CG in the route, it is Shirou and Sakura walking side-by-side. There were a lot of people on 4chan who didn't watch the movie and were trying to troll others into thinking that certain things were cut out, though, or went crazy about what they thought was cut out. |
Aug 15, 2020 9:16 AM
#4
Entire film summary (Repost from someone who's watched the movie): The first half of the film is pretty straightforward and I think it opens a lot more concisely and to the point than the previous two. It starts with Shirou discovering best boy's corpse, Zouken appears and they talk, cuts to Illya lazing around at Shirou's place and she asks Rin what being an older sister is like/what it means (I don't remember the exact wording, might've been 姉ってどうなの?), cuts back to Rider saving Shirou from Zouken, cuts back to Illya going out to the courtyard and Sakura appears to take her. Sakura defeats Rin, summons Saber to stab Rider from behind who appeared mid-scene with Shirou. Shirou's about to get killed when Illya agrees to go with Sakura so that she'd stop killing everyone and they leave. Illya calls Shirou onii-chan before they disappear and Sakura asks that Shirou does not appear in front of her again, or she'll kill him. Saber goes これは最後の注文です. I think that sets up the direction of the film pretty well. It frames Sakura and Illya as two equally important individuals for this film, and it re-establishes Shirou's moral conflict over whether he's going to save her at the expense of all her victims. After saving Shirou and co, Kirei takes Shirou to the church's garage to reveal his car and bike and says he'll cooperate. There's a really nice scene of the two in the car on the way over to Einzbern castle and Kirei talks about Kiritsugu and why he hates him. Kiritsugu had feelings but threw them away for his ideals, but got them back anyway by the end. Kirei had none to throw away in the first place, so he finds Kiritsugu quite 不快, but also thinks that Kiritsugu was a happy man. He also asks Shirou whether he's ready to treat Sakura as an enemy. I don't remember Shirou's exact reply but he says he's not Kiritsugu and he will save Sakura. Kirei says you won't succeed Kiritsugu's will, huh (きりつぐの意思を継がないか idr). They arrive at the forest and head to the castle. Cut to Illya in her room with maids. Shirou bursts through the window and complains that Kirei threw him. Shirou and Illya argue for a bit here, Shirou says she's trying to act strong by doing all this and that he doesn't care and is going to save her because he's her older brother and older brothers are supposed to save their younger siblings. He holds his hand out for Illya to take but before she does that Kirei picks her up and says they have to leave. They jump down the window from the third floor, this goes more smoothly for Kirei than Shirou as expected, and then it cuts to Sakura going 来たね、先輩(so you came) and summons Berserker to catch them. Then you get the cool running scene where True Assassin chases them through the trees and Kirei stays back to take him on so Shirou and Illya can go. Kirei-side, he lures/got lured by True Assassin into the warehouse/church in the forest that you'd recognize from fate route and he monologues about his motivations as he fights True Assassin. There's some pretty cool framing of the church's statue of a saint lady holding a baby as Kirei narrates how he finds enjoyment in the suffering of others or something and how he recognizes it's not right, and that he tried to mend this and even took on a wife. You see a flashback to his wife on her death bed who tries to prove Kirei wrong by stabbing herself, before it cuts back to Kirei getting Zabaniya'd but that failed and Kirei restrains True Assassin long enough that he could go to the roof to 'kill' Zouken. Ends with Kirei narrating that no, the wife was wrong. He was sad because he couldn't get to kill her himself. Shirou-side, the two hide in a trench Berserker formed while rampaging around the forest and Shirou throws his jacket away (seriously, if they're going to return to the base VN design for important moments like Shirou vs Archer in UBW, or this, then why give him the jacket redesign in the first place). Illya asks why Shirou has to suffer so much when he's done nothing wrong, he says that he has done his share of bad things, but thanks Illya for caring. He jumps out from the trench and unveils the Shroud of Martin on his arm. The following metaphorical scene of Shirou struggling in the wind until he sees Archer's back and Archer goes ついて来れるか? is preserved in its entirety complete with an arrange of Emiya and I'm really happy about that. Shirou regains his vigor and goes おまえこそついてきやがれぇえええ and runs past him and it's perfect. He does the Nine Lives Blade works thing (that CG of him holding Berserker's stone slab sword was reproduced perfectly too) and you see 8 cuts on the ground before he does a final 9th stab at Berserker. You actually hear Berserker say 'you protect her now' (i dont remember the exact line sorry, maybe it was お前が守れ) which surprised me because I don't remember if you ever get to hear his normal voice in the VN. Saber appears. Cuts back to Kirei meeting Sakura. Kirei mentions how she's more relaxed now, she says she's not the powerless girl she was anymore (her gestures here are like really relaxed and cute, she puts a finger to her lips and ponders over it and everything idk how to describe it well), but Kirei goes nah, there was no difference between the regular you and this power hungry version. Angry, she fucks up his heart and then summarizes the plot of F/Z in like three sentences by mentioning how he's been living through the grail mud after he had died during the 4th war or so on, how Archergil was connected to that or something and that since she's ingested Gil she could fuck him up. Then she feels pain from Berserker's defeat filling the grail. Back to Saber, she withdraws and tells Shirou he's lucky because Sakura's called for her, then takes that back, it wasn't luck, he earned it (i dont remember the exact phrase she used here or if that actually means that she says he's earned this victory sorry, it was like 水からの勝利 or something, idk). It feels like this is the halfways point of the film, probably. Shirou has a dream of swords coming out of his body and then wakes up at home struggling. Rin's there and recovered, so they and Illya head over to the Tohsaka manor's secret basement to reproduce Zeltrech's sword. On the way Illya explains stuff about the war, how the masters being involved is just a front and actually the heroic spirits are what mattered, and about the Einzberns summoning Avenger in the 3rd war and how that fucked up everything. She explains what Avenger, Angra Mainyu is too. At the basement, Illya and Shirou talk a bit more before she unravels the Shroud a bit and Shirou sees a flashback of the 3 families and Zeltrech on their way to some basement/cave to perform the ritual. Each head explains what they're contributing to the ritual, Shirou sees the sword and the flashback ends there. Rin's back at the Emiya household and Sakura's shadow/projection appears to talk to her for a bit and Rin says she's going to kill Sakura for sure. Sakura says she'll be waiting at that cave that's important in all the routes. Sakura-side, she laments stuff for a bit at the cave with the greater grail (illya explains about the greater grail too i think) and True Assassin appears and you hear Zouken's voice instructing her to make a contract but Sakura kills True Assassin and then extracts Zoukenworm out of her body and crushes him too. She wonders what she'll do after this and Saber tells her that they'll be coming for her soon, there's still that. Sakura says to let nee-san pass, Saber asks what about Shirou, Sakura doesn't have a reply to that, Saber sees that hesitatoin and leaves. Back to Shirou, he's struggling in bed at night and Rider appears from beyond the door and asks if he intends to be Sakura's enemy. Shirou assures her that he'll save Sakura, he's always been by her side and there's someone he has to defeat (倒す) in order to achieve that and Rider agrees. iirc this originally had choices where the wrong reply would have Rider kill you and what Shirou said this time iirc was the right option? Shirou, Rin and Rider are about to leave the household to confront Sakura for the final battle (theres a cool montage of shirou's daily life with sakura as he makes his way to the 玄関 and he narrates how wow, sakura really meant a lot to him). Before they leave, he offers Illya to continue living with him like before if she has nowhere else to go, she asks him to crouch down and she headpats him and tells him he has to bring Sakura back by dawn. They enter the cave and meet Saber. She goes りん and does this neck gesture thing that tells her only she's allowed to pass. There's a scene with Rin talking to Sakura, but then it cuts back to Rider and Shirou preparing to fight Saber. There's a very short flashback to Rider and Shirou discussing strategy and he mentions something but you don't get to hear it, and Rider goes that might work. Then the fight begins properly. Eventually Shirou uses Rho Aius to block Excalibur and Rider's pegasus knocks Saber away. Before Saber could get up, Shirou jumps in and stabs her. You get the same pose and angle as the original CG but it's not as dramatic or slow as I remember how it was I think, he just stabs her right away. He thanks Saber for everything and goes on ahead after telling Rider to catch up. Rin and Sakura's fight was petty much as I remembered in the VN too. Rin goes 'so? i dont care. i never thought my life was easy', Sakura gets angry and tries to burst Rin down but Rin throws the sword to nullify everything and jumps at her. You get a flashback to Sakura and Rin playing poker at the Tohsaka mansion as kids and Rin had a way better hand but hesitates to reveal it to Sakura because she looked so happy with the pair she had in hers. Rin goes ああ、駄目だ and couldn't stab Sakura. She falls over and Sakura realizes what she's done wrong. Shirou appears and there's an action scene of him trying to reach her as the ribbons try to intercept him and she shouts how she shouldn't be saved (私は一人で死にます。私を助けちゃいけない). At this point Shirou already has swords sticking out of his body a little. He reaches her, tells her he'll save her anyway, projects Rule Breaker and she accepts being stabbed. Sakura loses consciousnes and her clothes, but that chibi golem-like imaginary number magic of hers turns into some kind of cloth to cover her. Rider comes and Shirou tells her to take Tohsaka and Sakura away and gives her the house key. Here it's really cool how his lines stumble trying to say Rider's name, almost like he's forgotten it or like he's bugging out, iirc this is also how it was in the VN. Shirou sees how the greater grail hasn't stopped yet so he makes his way over and meets Kirei at the end. The fist fight was pretty good, they moved some of the conversation from before the fist fight to during it but I don't think anyone can say it's not loyal to the original. Kirei gets injurd by punching Shirou and goes 'what a troublesome body, the one who attacks gets hurt instead'. Shirou does not narrate that 'it turns out I like Kotomine Kirei, I was trying not to realize that' or 'he was only doing this because he knew no other way to live' which disappointed me, but he does narrate that they're both sinners and he says 'of course you wouldn't back down. sorry for wasting your time' and kirei goes 'that goes for both of us' or something to that effect (i'm almost certain he doesn't say お互い様だ because i was waiting for that line but he says something that had the same effect). The fight ended the same way as the VN and you sorta get a recreation of Kirei's final CG where you don't see his face. Shirou heads to the greater grail, he's about to project something to destroy it but his hands shake and he hesitates. Illya comes in in her Dress of Heaven (sorry i dont remember if thats what it's called) and walks on air to head over to the grail. Shirou tries to stop her but he finds himself unable to even remember her name. Illya goes it's ok, you want to live right? Shirou hesitates/struggles but he shouts out 生きて いたいんだ! (I want to live!) She goes 'You said older brothers should protect their siblings. Well, I'm your onee-chan.' Here Shirou finally remembers Illya's name and shouts it repeatedly. Things white out, you see Illya rushing to her mother and then you see Shirou's spirit transform into some ball thing. Epilogue starts with the exact same shot at the archery dojo as HF1, but with Sakura instead of Shirou. Here it kinda baits you into thinking it's Normal End because you kinda get this hint that Shirou's gone (taiga goes 'when will he come back...' or 'where did he disappear to', its one of those lines, i'm sorry i dont remember which). Rin's waiting outside the dojo and they walk and the film does this thing where it shows them walking down the street and the background keeps changing to a bunch of different places, probably different countries but I mean it's all like, streets with stores that look kinda western but Japan kinda has those too so I'm not sure? You see Rin and Sakura's hairstyles lengthen to the point that they look like their VN selves in the epilogue. You see Sakura cooking alone in Shirou's kitchen, then it cuts back to that walking thing but they enter an alleyway and they pass by TOUKO (no dialogue though you only see her from the back), they open some box and see a fake body and they hold up a bird cage that's glowing and that's supposed to be Shirou's soul I guess. Cut back to Sakura cooking and now Shirou's next to her. They walk out of the house along to follow Rider and Taiga. Rin's there and she asks Rin, ねえ桜、しあわせ? They all make their way to the flower viewing party as Aimer's song starts playing because the sakura's on full bloom, you see most of the cast there, you see Mitsuzuri getting freaked out by Rider's presence and Issei's there, and you see the baka trio from hollow ataraxia with Rin. Sakura's standing outside the park watching all that going on, Shirou comes next to her, and together they step forward. |
Aug 15, 2020 9:20 AM
#5
Trusting fake spoilers that come from 4chan where some people tried to troll others. I don't even feel sorry for those who have fallen for that. |
KtKrAug 15, 2020 9:28 AM
Aug 15, 2020 9:29 AM
#6
Dull_Lull said: I know I should wait and watch the movie before judging but based on the spoilers I've seen and read, they fucked up so many scenes with this adaptation. They removed Rider and Rin from the last part, literally paid Illya's character dust, and apparently removed the monologue from the Nine Lives scene??? What the hell is even going on here. Haven't heard news of Kirei yet but if they also fucked up his character then that's going to be the final nail in the coffin for me. On a brighter note, the Salter vs Medusa/Shirou fight looked dope. I think you were fed a lot of misinformation. Rin and Rider are not gone from the last part. and Illya was given a lot of focus. |
Aug 15, 2020 10:26 AM
#7
Yeah I feel bad now for falling for these 4chan hoes. Can't trust bitches these days. All men do is lie. Can't wait for the blurays to drop because I know I'm not gonna be watching this movie anytime soon in theaters. Corona sucks ass. |
Aug 15, 2020 10:32 PM
#8
Hey dull_lull just watch the fcking movie. And you'll understand why. You dont have my respect if you watch illegally. This is still an early rating for me it should be at least 8.5-10 |
Aug 16, 2020 6:34 AM
#9
HaroldT15 said: Hey dull_lull just watch the fcking movie. And you'll understand why. You dont have my respect if you watch illegally. This is still an early rating for me it should be at least 8.5-10 Fly me to Japan then so I can watch it. |
Aug 16, 2020 8:34 AM
#10
Dull_Lull said: HaroldT15 said: Hey dull_lull just watch the fcking movie. And you'll understand why. You dont have my respect if you watch illegally. This is still an early rating for me it should be at least 8.5-10 Fly me to Japan then so I can watch it. Get a job. Lol what a useless weeb. |
Aug 16, 2020 3:21 PM
#11
HaroldT15 said: Dull_Lull said: HaroldT15 said: Hey dull_lull just watch the fcking movie. And you'll understand why. You dont have my respect if you watch illegally. This is still an early rating for me it should be at least 8.5-10 Fly me to Japan then so I can watch it. Get a job. Lol what a useless weeb. Never mind. Found a camrip <3 |
Aug 16, 2020 4:41 PM
#12
HaroldT15 said: Dull_Lull said: HaroldT15 said: Hey dull_lull just watch the fcking movie. And you'll understand why. You dont have my respect if you watch illegally. This is still an early rating for me it should be at least 8.5-10 Fly me to Japan then so I can watch it. Get a job. Lol what a useless weeb. Some people aren’t fucking 26 years old and have countless amounts of time especially with corona going on retard, chill the fuck out |
Aug 16, 2020 11:48 PM
#13
Dull_Lull said: i suggest to not watch it. Skip around to get an idea but dont ruin your experience, especially with the fights. HaroldT15 said: Dull_Lull said: HaroldT15 said: Hey dull_lull just watch the fcking movie. And you'll understand why. You dont have my respect if you watch illegally. This is still an early rating for me it should be at least 8.5-10 Fly me to Japan then so I can watch it. Get a job. Lol what a useless weeb. Never mind. Found a camrip <3 |
Aug 17, 2020 3:46 PM
#15
ssjokg said: Dull_Lull said: i suggest to not watch it. Skip around to get an idea but dont ruin your experience, especially with the fights. HaroldT15 said: Dull_Lull said: HaroldT15 said: Hey dull_lull just watch the fcking movie. And you'll understand why. You dont have my respect if you watch illegally. This is still an early rating for me it should be at least 8.5-10 Fly me to Japan then so I can watch it. Get a job. Lol what a useless weeb. Never mind. Found a camrip <3 Couldn't even get past 10 minutes. RIP. I really can't enjoy it fully without understanding shit unfortunately. It's a camrip though with no subs. |
Aug 17, 2020 6:08 PM
#16
Dull_Lull said: ssjokg said: Dull_Lull said: HaroldT15 said: Dull_Lull said: HaroldT15 said: Hey dull_lull just watch the fcking movie. And you'll understand why. You dont have my respect if you watch illegally. This is still an early rating for me it should be at least 8.5-10 Fly me to Japan then so I can watch it. Get a job. Lol what a useless weeb. Never mind. Found a camrip <3 Couldn't even get past 10 minutes. RIP. I really can't enjoy it fully without understanding shit unfortunately. It's a camrip though with no subs. Where is the camrip? |
Aug 17, 2020 7:53 PM
#17
Dull_Lull said: ssjokg said: Dull_Lull said: HaroldT15 said: Dull_Lull said: HaroldT15 said: Hey dull_lull just watch the fcking movie. And you'll understand why. You dont have my respect if you watch illegally. This is still an early rating for me it should be at least 8.5-10 Fly me to Japan then so I can watch it. Get a job. Lol what a useless weeb. Never mind. Found a camrip <3 Couldn't even get past 10 minutes. RIP. I really can't enjoy it fully without understanding shit unfortunately. It's a camrip though with no subs. You got the sauce for the camrip? |
Aug 18, 2020 2:29 PM
#18
for some reason the camrip was removed from nyaa, i saw some segments and im still disappointed at no light and darkness they couldn't even get this part right |
Aure0linAug 18, 2020 2:35 PM
"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
Aug 18, 2020 3:44 PM
#19
RuriNeko said: Dull_Lull said: I know I should wait and watch the movie before judging but based on the spoilers I've seen and read, they fucked up so many scenes with this adaptation. They removed Rider and Rin from the last part, literally paid Illya's character dust, and apparently removed the monologue from the Nine Lives scene??? What the hell is even going on here. Haven't heard news of Kirei yet but if they also fucked up his character then that's going to be the final nail in the coffin for me. On a brighter note, the Salter vs Medusa/Shirou fight looked dope. There have been people who haven't watched spreading a lot of misinformation. Based off of those who did watch the movie, the movie sounds really good. They said that as opposed to the previous 2 movies which mostly focused on Sakura, this one gave more time to all of the characters. People who watched it said Illya had enough screen time and her last scene was done REALLY well (it was word-for-word, from what I've heard.) All of Kirei's scenes were intact (they even had his flashback with his wife Claudia killing herself and Kirei saying he wished he could've killed her,) and the movie took some time to draw parallels between Shirou and Kirei early in the movie to set up the final fight. The final fight has most of the dialogue intact, although some of the philosophical conversation before the fight is moved to during the fight (the fight itself is the exact same as in the VN, a brutal fistfight.) Some of Shirou's "memory loss" made it into the movie as well. The 3 founding families showed up in the movie and Zelretch has some dialogue too. Nine Lives didn't have most of the monologuing, from what I've heard, but everyone seems to be satisfied with how it was done (people say it was portrayed well enough visually that they weren't really miffed about how the monologues were cut out. They say the metaphorical wind scene with Archer was really good too.) For the epilogue, Rider and Rin are definitely present, but there isn't a recreation of the last CG in the route, it is Shirou and Sakura walking side-by-side. There were a lot of people on 4chan who didn't watch the movie and were trying to troll others into thinking that certain things were cut out, though, or went crazy about what they thought was cut out. What is a CG in anime? Is it important to the adaptation? |
Aug 18, 2020 5:46 PM
#20
Aure0lin said: for some reason the camrip was removed from nyaa, i saw some segments and im still disappointed at no light and darkness they couldn't even get this part right I saw that bit but that's not something they were ever going to convey because the movies hardly use monologues. Aside from the ost choice, I think it was fine. Though I'm reserving my actual opinion for the BD What's posted in this reply. Its just a computer graphic for Visual Novels thats accompanied in specific scenes. |
EmblemzAug 18, 2020 5:56 PM
Aug 18, 2020 5:52 PM
#21
Dull_Lull said: Yeah I feel bad now for falling for these 4chan hoes. Can't trust bitches these days. All men do is lie. Can't wait for the blurays to drop because I know I'm not gonna be watching this movie anytime soon in theaters. Corona sucks ass. >4chan hoes Do you mean 4channel? |
Aug 18, 2020 6:05 PM
#22
Emblemz said: it's something you can convey through having shirou be put on the defensive but ufo went for a more even fightAure0lin said: for some reason the camrip was removed from nyaa, i saw some segments and im still disappointed at no light and darkness they couldn't even get this part right I saw that bit but that's not something they were ever going to convey because the movies hardly use monologues. Aside from the ost choice, I think it was fine. Though I'm reserving my actual opinion for the BD |
"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
Aug 18, 2020 6:21 PM
#23
Which isn't really a big deal tbf if you're not going into detail with a monologue on why hitting his head is a no no. I don't think it exceeds the source but it isn't reducing it either. Its fine but ill reserve judgment later |
Aug 18, 2020 6:30 PM
#24
I really wanted to enjoy this movie. I've been anticipating a Heaven's Feel anime for over a decade, and especially since it was announced. I liked the first 2 movies a lot but this wasn't it. Shirou's discussion with Kotomine was cut by I'd say more than 80%, and it was not only shortened, it was changed so they were talking while fighting which felt really cheesy to me. In the VN, they had the common courtesy to finish their talk before beating each other to death. LOL Also the second half of the fight with Kotomine was removed entirely. Seriously. No flashback to the promise with Sakura. No Shirou beatdown. No "KOTOMINE... KIREI!!!!" Just an interlude with Zouken, then we come back to the fight, and it's literally already over. Rider vs Saber Alter was the only thing done justice (more than just justice, it was mindblowing), and it wasn't even an important scene. Meanwhile, from their reunion in front of the Grail to the end of the fight, the scene with Shirou and Kotomine runs for about 4 minutes in total. While not to the same extent, Rin vs Sakura and Nine Lives were similarly abridged as well in my opinion. The #1 problem with the movie is that it's extremely rushed, which was already expected, but the most iconic scenes suffered the most because of it. I highly doubt it, but I hope the BD extends the runtime a little bit. Until then, depression. |
2000yearoldloliAug 18, 2020 9:18 PM
Aug 18, 2020 6:50 PM
#25
Emblemz said: it's fine if ufo manages something just as good but i felt that ufo's version took a lot of tension out of the scene. visual adaptations also shouldn't directly copy a monologue anyways but should still visually communicate the same ideas expressed through the monologuesWhich isn't really a big deal tbf if you're not going into detail with a monologue on why hitting his head is a no no. I don't think it exceeds the source but it isn't reducing it either. Its fine but ill reserve judgment later |
Aure0linAug 18, 2020 6:59 PM
"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
Aug 18, 2020 7:12 PM
#26
Aure0lin said: Emblemz said: it's fine if ufo manages something just as good but i felt that ufo's version took a lot of tension out of the scene. visual adaptations also shouldn't directly copy a monologue anyways but should still visually communicate the same ideas expressed through the monologuesWhich isn't really a big deal tbf if you're not going into detail with a monologue on why hitting his head is a no no. I don't think it exceeds the source but it isn't reducing it either. Its fine but ill reserve judgment later What im trying to articulate is that the integrity of the fight is still intact. It still retains the majority of the moral debate,keeps the visceral feel of the fight including broken/battered noses/ribs/eyes, and its not unnecessarily flashy like Ufotable tends to do. Could it have been better? Yea but I can't in good conscience say it was a bad adaptation(at least compared to other FSN scenes). If I was nitpicky, I'd say the fight definitely ends on a whimper in this version whereas VN has Shirou get one last WOMPO COMBO before it ends |
Aug 18, 2020 8:30 PM
#27
People here expecting a 2 hour movie to adapt every scene faithfully because that is somehow doable. |
Aug 18, 2020 11:35 PM
#28
My thoughts. I just wanted the film to keep the spirit of the route intact. From what I've seen so far/read, this is actually the most faithful of the trilogy aside from pacing issues |
Aug 19, 2020 4:12 AM
#29
ssjokg said: People here expecting a 2 hour movie to adapt every scene faithfully because that is somehow doable. It's better that they complain now after watching parts of shitty chinese camrip so they lower their expectations for the actual movie and don't whine about it when BD will finally be out. |
KtKrAug 19, 2020 4:18 AM
Aug 19, 2020 4:25 AM
#30
KtKr said: This is a Fate adaptation.You know that they will be whining for years.ssjokg said: People here expecting a 2 hour movie to adapt every scene faithfully because that is somehow doable. It's better that they complain now after watching parts of shitty chinese camrip so they lower their expectations for the actual movie and don't whine about it when BD will finally be out. |
Aug 20, 2020 4:41 AM
#31
ssjokg said: This is a Fate adaptation.You know that they will be whining for years. This is so true! I'm a huge fan of the VN and I don't get how people don't see that Fate/Stay Night got one of the best VN adaptations ever? The only adaptation that's better is Steins Gate and maybe Clannad I adore all of Ufotables works when it comes to Fate because they've done an amazing job with most of them. There are obviously some faults here and there (mainly Shirou inner monologues in UBW and cutting out Illya in HF) but people can't expect them to deliver 1-1 adaptation |
Aug 20, 2020 5:33 AM
#32
FireFistYK said: ssjokg said: This is a Fate adaptation.You know that they will be whining for years. This is so true! I'm a huge fan of the VN and I don't get how people don't see that Fate/Stay Night got one of the best VN adaptations ever? The only adaptation that's better is Steins Gate and maybe Clannad I adore all of Ufotables works when it comes to Fate because they've done an amazing job with most of them. There are obviously some faults here and there (mainly Shirou inner monologues in UBW and cutting out Illya in HF) but people can't expect them to deliver 1-1 adaptation Thank you for mentioning S;G because even tho Fate fans refer to it as a great adaptation(compared to what they dont like from ufotable) they fail to address what WASNT adapted from the VN of S;G. I am not referring to the other endings but main/common route plots and details. Somehow,in theiropinion, those details dont affect S;G. |
Aug 20, 2020 6:03 AM
#33
ssjokg said: FireFistYK said: ssjokg said: This is a Fate adaptation.You know that they will be whining for years. This is so true! I'm a huge fan of the VN and I don't get how people don't see that Fate/Stay Night got one of the best VN adaptations ever? The only adaptation that's better is Steins Gate and maybe Clannad I adore all of Ufotables works when it comes to Fate because they've done an amazing job with most of them. There are obviously some faults here and there (mainly Shirou inner monologues in UBW and cutting out Illya in HF) but people can't expect them to deliver 1-1 adaptation Thank you for mentioning S;G because even tho Fate fans refer to it as a great adaptation(compared to what they dont like from ufotable) they fail to address what WASNT adapted from the VN of S;G. I am not referring to the other endings but main/common route plots and details. Somehow,in theiropinion, those details dont affect S;G. Because Steins;Gate didn't skip anything important. Most of what was adapted is enough to make the story and characters work (otherwise it won't have a 9.13 score yk). The only things of relevance that weren't adapted are some additional explanations about Reading Steiner and the explanation of why there was a connection between the lab and SERN. |
Aug 20, 2020 6:11 AM
#34
PraiseTheSun123 said: ssjokg said: FireFistYK said: ssjokg said: This is a Fate adaptation.You know that they will be whining for years. This is so true! I'm a huge fan of the VN and I don't get how people don't see that Fate/Stay Night got one of the best VN adaptations ever? The only adaptation that's better is Steins Gate and maybe Clannad I adore all of Ufotables works when it comes to Fate because they've done an amazing job with most of them. There are obviously some faults here and there (mainly Shirou inner monologues in UBW and cutting out Illya in HF) but people can't expect them to deliver 1-1 adaptation Thank you for mentioning S;G because even tho Fate fans refer to it as a great adaptation(compared to what they dont like from ufotable) they fail to address what WASNT adapted from the VN of S;G. I am not referring to the other endings but main/common route plots and details. Somehow,in theiropinion, those details dont affect S;G. Because Steins;Gate didn't skip anything important. Most of what was adapted is enough to make the story and characters work (otherwise it won't have a 9.13 score yk). The only things of relevance that weren't adapted are some additional explanations about Reading Steiner and the explanation of why there was a connection between the lab and SERN. And nothing was missing from FSN's adaptations that would make it hard to understand what is happening or how Shirou thinks. And S;G discarded and entire scene that shows how catastrophic it is for the human mind to use a time machine and how much protection Okabe has because of the attractor field etc. If that happens in FSN everone loses their minds. And guess what. This happened. In this movie. It wasn't even cut entirely they just showed it less times. |
ssjokgAug 20, 2020 7:36 AM
Aug 20, 2020 7:30 AM
#35
ssjokg said: And nothing was missing from FSN's adaptations that would make it hard to understand what is happening or how Shirou things. Well, I can't speak for this one because I haven't watched the anime adaptation (or rather, I haven't finished it) but ssjokg said: and how much protection Okabe has because of the attractor field While this is never directly stated in the anime, there are implications of that. And anyway my point still stands, those skipped details are not that important to the point that they will make the story suffer for it. |
Aug 20, 2020 7:39 AM
#36
My point isnt that S;G suffers from something . My point is that FSN fans act as if anything missing , from a single line to a CG recreation absolutely ruins everything. It could add to the adaptation/story but doesnt mean its omission ruins it. Just like S;G. |
Aug 20, 2020 2:29 PM
#37
Yes, omitting more than half of one of the most iconic scenes in the entire VN definitely doesn't affect the story at all, and if you're not satisfied about it you're just nitpicking. This kind of baseless positivity and praise is just as bad as unnecessary negativity. |
Aug 21, 2020 1:27 AM
#38
2000yearoldloli said: Yes, omitting more than half of one of the most iconic scenes in the entire VN definitely doesn't affect the story at all, and if you're not satisfied about it you're just nitpicking. This kind of baseless positivity and praise is just as bad as unnecessary negativity. No iconic scene was deleted. Just because they animated the scene in a different way and didnt just redraw the fucking CG doesnt make it bad. Also yes even if they omitted all of those the story would still make fucking sense. You confuse story with fanservice. We got Claudia, Justeaze, Nagato, Zolgen and Zelretch and how the ritual was created animated, a representation of the twelve labors, a more happy ending for Ilya, actual cameo of Touko, Sakura and Rin acting like sisters and so much more but because Ilya doesnt look back at Shirou over her shoulder the story is suddenly ruined. Fucking ufotable. Just read the fucking VN. |
Aug 21, 2020 1:29 PM
#39
2000yearoldloli said: Yes, omitting more than half of one of the most iconic scenes in the entire VN definitely doesn't affect the story at all, and if you're not satisfied about it you're just nitpicking. This kind of baseless positivity and praise is just as bad as unnecessary negativity. Which scene are we talking about? From the bits I've seen, they didn't butcher anything in particular. Maybe 2 scenes but one of them had a flashback for a little more depth. The other still kept the key dialogue of the fight. For a 2 hr frame, im actually shocked they kept mostly everything intact. Movie 1 and movie 2 have more technical flaws if we're being honest |
Aug 21, 2020 2:00 PM
#40
The movie is VERY good. I liked how they managed to give every character a good amount of screentime (especially Illya and Kotomine, given how they were butchered in the other two movies). I really liked the fights too! Especially Shirou vs Berserker and Shirou vs Kirei. The OST is on point too, especially the Emiya Remix! As for the epilogue, i liked how they handled Shirou and Sakura's grownth. They can stand side by side as equals, without the need to cling to each other's existence (maybe that's why they don't need to hold hands when they step forward together). Their relationship looks more healthier than ever, and now they can move forward towards their happy future together as a couple, while discovering new things and atoning for their "sins". The movie handled the epilogue better than the VN imo |
Aug 25, 2020 7:37 PM
#41
I don't have much to complain about the movie. I still need to watch it with english subs to fully understand it. With my current japanese level I could understand something in between 70~80% (something I could get by context), I had my japanese friend explain some of the harder parts to me. It was a lot more story focused than the last two movies, and the first fight scenes were a bit lackluster, but alter saber vs rider was probably the best fight scene I have ever seen in the series (at least animation wise) so it make up for the other ones. Shirou vs Kotomine and Kotomine vs Assassin / Zouken was also pretty cool. I did not like some parts of the soundtrack, the scene where Shirou was running "inside" the UBW, they had an EDM music instead of a more epic-ish song, which I did not like much. Still the movie was great! Also, some of the dialogues in some parts were a bit "Japanese anime cliche" imo, but just some small parts. |
Aug 28, 2020 5:31 PM
#42
Kokorowagurasu said: I don't have much to complain about the movie. I still need to watch it with english subs to fully understand it. With my current japanese level I could understand something in between 70~80% (something I could get by context), I had my japanese friend explain some of the harder parts to me. It was a lot more story focused than the last two movies, and the first fight scenes were a bit lackluster, but alter saber vs rider was probably the best fight scene I have ever seen in the series (at least animation wise) so it make up for the other ones. Shirou vs Kotomine and Kotomine vs Assassin / Zouken was also pretty cool. I did not like some parts of the soundtrack, the scene where Shirou was running "inside" the UBW, they had an EDM music instead of a more epic-ish song, which I did not like much. Still the movie was great! Also, some of the dialogues in some parts were a bit "Japanese anime cliche" imo, but just some small parts. by running inside the UBW you mean the wind scene ?? if that what you are talking about then they were playing Emiya theme and its a pretty iconic theme in fact most of the fans were hoping that they well play that theme in the movie |
I don’t even know the real names of the two… no, three that I killed back then. I just closed my eyes, put my hands over my ears and tried to forget it all.” – Kirito MY ANIME LIST |
Aug 31, 2020 2:19 AM
#43
Askaa said: by running inside the UBW you mean the wind scene ?? if that what you are talking about then they were playing Emiya theme and its a pretty iconic theme in fact most of the fans were hoping that they well play that theme in the movie Yes, I think we are talking about the same scene. I have been away from the series for quite awhile so while it felt familiar, I did not recall it from the other movies or the anime. I personally felt that of of the Aimer songs would fit better there, but that is just me! If it is one of the iconic songs from the series it totally makes sense! I feel like I should go and watch the movie again... but I'm not sure if I will or not. |
Sep 2, 2020 12:32 AM
#45
Kokorowagurasu said: Askaa said: by running inside the UBW you mean the wind scene ?? if that what you are talking about then they were playing Emiya theme and its a pretty iconic theme in fact most of the fans were hoping that they well play that theme in the movie Yes, I think we are talking about the same scene. I have been away from the series for quite awhile so while it felt familiar, I did not recall it from the other movies or the anime. I personally felt that of of the Aimer songs would fit better there, but that is just me! If it is one of the iconic songs from the series it totally makes sense! I feel like I should go and watch the movie again... but I'm not sure if I will or not. The theme also plays in UBW in episode 24. In the visual novel, it plays in very few scenes and this is one of them, so people were really hoping they keep it instead of doing an original track. And they did. If you have no attachment to the VN, it's a cool callback to episodes 20 and 24 of UBW. |
Sep 3, 2020 4:30 AM
#46
Nobinot said: hey who's the main character? sakura? or rin? Shirou and Kirei/ |
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