| I suspected him for being unusually defensive, and his debate with ironace was more like arguing for the sake of arguing - no read after coming out of it (from ironace too tho). |
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yurkin said: gimmicks are like haiku restrictions. but ok, why do u think Karote shouldn't be in lynch options? his defensiveness was unusual, so it should come as no surprise he's an option.Phraze said: I still find yurkin suspicious tho. gimmicks shouldn't get in the way of playing. and the defense of dismissing Karote was a gimmick. hmm Nvm misread, not sure want gimmick is tbh I interprete the term as bait. Wisp mentioned I'm dismissing it due to OoG reasons, how do you want me to answer that? |
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Phraze said: #25 Unusually defensive toward this post. Correct?I suspected him for being unusually defensive, and his debate with ironace was more like arguing for the sake of arguing - no read after coming out of it (from ironace too tho). Would you say they tried to dodge giving a read here? #92 It remains a possibility that they had no read and replied as thus. |
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Astros said: im not voting Ironace??? lolSeems with the recent voting and unvoting we're at a three way tie between karote, Ironace, and Korjivag. That being two votes for each of them. @_Wisp could you summarize your reasons for suspecting and not voting Ironace? I make a distinction as I believe attention will be called to the vote itself and not only your suspicion. What we need is to clarify the suspicion, whether it's justified, and to see who all agrees or does not. That will help to settle the case on iron and allow us to either refocus on them or the other two. @yurkin @Phraze could you do the same with karote? vote: Ironace |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Phraze said: then why suggest Dono instead of Karote? Karote being defensive with 2 votes is unusual. Dono has been her usual self, at least from my memory. Because I suspect dono. Well is it telling to be overly defensive? Or you are basing it on meta, seeing you say usual/unusual guess you do. |
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| You read my statement wrong. Sorry if I made it confusing. What I mean is to say. Please give your reasons for suspecting Ionace, not simply your reasons for voting him. As I believe players will make a distinction and ask you why you chose to vote given your suspicions. As they may see them as unreasonable. I'm trying to clarify and summarize cases against the leading trains to make it easier for them to make a defense. Avoiding unnecessary discussion along the way. |
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Astros said: yeah, his response to the voter was too defensive to be normal.Phraze said: #25 Unusually defensive toward this post. Correct?I suspected him for being unusually defensive, and his debate with ironace was more like arguing for the sake of arguing - no read after coming out of it (from ironace too tho). Would you say they tried to dodge giving a read here? #92 It remains a possibility that they had no read and replied as thus. didn't think much of his refusing to give opinion, but not getting a better idea of ironace after debate is... not townish. is he sorting or not? apparently not |
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Phraze said: Astros said: yeah, his response to the voter was too defensive to be normal.#25 Unusually defensive toward this post. Correct? Would you say they tried to dodge giving a read here? #92 It remains a possibility that they had no read and replied as thus. didn't think much of his refusing to give opinion, but not getting a better idea of ironace after debate is... not townish. is he sorting or not? apparently not Thanks for clarifying. @Karote |
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yurkin said: why is Dono a suspect?Phraze said: then why suggest Dono instead of Karote? Karote being defensive with 2 votes is unusual. Dono has been her usual self, at least from my memory. Because I suspect dono. Well is it telling to be overly defensive? Or you are basing it on meta, seeing you say usual/unusual guess you do. if I didn't read off meta, I would've voted Karote much earlier. either way u look at it, it's not normal. |
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| I'll be heading off. Fair warning. I may not be able to return to the game until phase change. As I have work in the morning until roughly noon. I'll be leaving my vote on Ironace until then or whenever I am able to return. I hope those who I've pinged will answer my requests and that town settle on a case defense or player to investigate. Questioning each other is fine, but getting town to debate and talk about something as a group I believe will prove more productive. To help with this I'll leave a question. Town do you believe that mafia is active in this Day One? If you answer Yes then please provide evidence to support your answer. If you answer No then please either support your answer or give a rebuttal to one claiming Yes. Additionally. Is it beneficial for Mafia to be active Day One? Why do you believe this to be the case? What are the advantages and risks involved? How have Mafia acted during Day One in past games for you? |
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| heading off for the night will be back a few hours before phase change. goodnight |
| @Astros Others might find the reasons silly for why I suspect Ironace, some might even argue semantics, but I read his early post as shade and not just shade, but as a reactionary post, posts that 8/10 times come from scum... I am voting him because of he his still my top suspect outside of all the other people I would like to vote as well. Other reasons 1. He has fooled me once 2. He never gets to a point in the game where I can say he's without a doubt town, he lurks heavily, and the sooner we get through the common lurkers of this site the better 3. He has interactions with others even if small, so regardless of his flip we have some info to work with |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Phraze said: yurkin said: why is Dono a suspect?Because I suspect dono. Well is it telling to be overly defensive? Or you are basing it on meta, seeing you say usual/unusual guess you do. if I didn't read off meta, I would've voted Karote much earlier. either way u look at it, it's not normal. Various reasons from her debate with re, like the reason to vote re was to stronger her I doubt these who agree with me point. She's also too agreeable with the general opition of the thread, her vote on korjivag. I'm sleepy, will look over Karote later. |
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| @Astros Town do you believe that mafia is active in this Day One? If you answer Yes then please provide evidence to support your answer. If you answer No then please either support your answer or give a rebuttal to one claiming Yes. god what a question, I would say not active, but wouldn't be able to give you a defense of my answer Is it beneficial for Mafia to be active Day One? -No idea Why do you believe this to be the case? -Because of Idk What are the advantages and risks involved? Risks -Keeping up the activity -More chance of making a slip Pros -might be spew cleared -strong chance of being to lead the lynches if able to keep up the charade How have Mafia acted during Day One in past games for you? -both ways |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
yurkin said: Phraze said: why is Dono a suspect? if I didn't read off meta, I would've voted Karote much earlier. either way u look at it, it's not normal. Various reasons from her debate with re, like the reason to vote re was to stronger her I doubt these who agree with me point. She's also too agreeable with the general opition of the thread, her vote on korjivag. I'm sleepy, will look over Karote later. if I'm reading correctly, Dono is townreading RE now. don't see how it strengthens her points. Dono being agreeable is kinda suspicious, I can agree, tho it doesn't mean scum - town can also be agreeable. don't remember the Korj vote, but will check that. I'd say for now tho.. reasons to suspect the slot atm feels like a general read than for specific reasons. |
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Astros said: yes. almost all players have posted, and suspicion is evened out. scum don't really have blind spots to hide in, so they need to be active. but, they probably aren't too active.Town do you believe that mafia is active in this Day One? If you answer Yes then please provide evidence to support your answer. If you answer No then please either support your answer or give a rebuttal to one claiming Yes. Additionally. Is it beneficial for Mafia to be active Day One? Why do you believe this to be the case? What are the advantages and risks involved? How have Mafia acted during Day One in past games for you? beneficial - contributing helps them later on, when backreading becomes important. dangerous cuz info can be gathered, I guess? maf were all active from my experience |
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| hmm.. off for the day. might not be here for phase change Vote: ironace again Karote can go either way, but easier to sort later. |
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Astros said: Phraze said: yeah, his response to the voter was too defensive to be normal. didn't think much of his refusing to give opinion, but not getting a better idea of ironace after debate is... not townish. is he sorting or not? apparently not Thanks for clarifying. @Karote You're welcome. |
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aa-dono said: yurkin said: But Korjivag voted first. If anything, wouldn't me and lil_logic be the one who jumped on the train?He's jumping on the Kiiruma train with that vote, if nothing else. Think re voted first, then moved her vote. Mhmm you asked about his vote tho. This post along with the one where he says he was half joking are his only readable content. Why are you voting korjivag then? |
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Nah, blatantly false means you're saying he's lying on purpose. I want to vote you, yes. |
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defending + not hunting scummy in general |
lil_logic340 said: RE said: im just not getting any scum reads from yurkin. Paiii on the other hand im getting some scummy vibes from her. with wisp I actually have no reads on im really not sure where to place them, but I have revised that list a little bit probably not much thoForgot about this. What makes you think yurkin is town? Above Paiiia and Wisp. what scummy from me ? |
Phraze said: ironace said: ok im lost, i was caught up until 2 pages before, but now even with back reading i feel lost. People talking to others in such a way my mind cannot keep up. @phraze @re you both know me very well, and u both know that i refrain from reads on D1 because i just suck at reading people early on. I dont post reads D1 as i dont have anny. also, phraze seems to be bent on shading me. I dont recall playing in lost village or the other game roz was in. Yet i appear to be there for her. Further more, i dont like her reasoning for voting me, like maybe others will get something that i wont, Im literally asking that, like what/how will people get anything out of this. vote:phraze 1. I don't since u haven't played much. 2. here and here 3. that's self-victimization. holy shit i was actually in those games o.O My bad then, because i cannot recall myself at all. Oh welll, if i appear scummy to u, go ahead, ill gladly take one for town >_> and wtf, how was that self victemization, i just thought u were putting me in games i wasnt in. |
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aa-dono said: I'll do this then. vote: @Korjivag What do you think of everything brought up against Kiiruma, as well as what he thinks of RE? Would be nice to have your thoughts on this as well~ @ironace @Karote I honestly do not have a view point on them, as i feel lost. Why karjivag? Cause he is inactive or what? Kiiruma as well, what did u guys find scummy about him? I just woke up and i understand/comprehend anything at all. |
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| i forgot to do this before, sicne my case on phraze is basically invalid now, unvote |
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_Wisp said: @Astros Others might find the reasons silly for why I suspect Ironace, some might even argue semantics, but I read his early post as shade and not just shade, but as a reactionary post, posts that 8/10 times come from scum... I am voting him because of he his still my top suspect outside of all the other people I would like to vote as well. Other reasons 1. He has fooled me once 2. He never gets to a point in the game where I can say he's without a doubt town, he lurks heavily, and the sooner we get through the common lurkers of this site the better 3. He has interactions with others even if small, so regardless of his flip we have some info to work with -lmao when have i fooled u? i barely ever get mafia -I wonder why? U all never let me live long enough >_> and whenever i claim, u guys tend to believe scum and lynch me instead(before phraze goes on abpout self victimization, its a fact-happened 2 times already) -fair enough |
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Korjivag said: I did ask.I know, this just a general read, But if you ask if I can be more specipic, pin point certain act or line, I'm not sure am good at it ;) aa-dono said: vote: @Korjivag What do you think of everything brought up against Kiiruma, as well as what he thinks of RE? |
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yurkin said: That's not what I meant.aa-dono said: I'm a funny person >,0 Nah, blatantly false means you're saying he's lying on purpose. I want to vote you, yes. |
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| so idk if ill live long enough, so if itll help town, here are my reads π Karote He was overly defensive for the sake of getting reactions, but now he is back to his usual self? I dont believe i have seen his posts recently(maybe wrong) π Phraze Phraze is phraze, can never get a read on her π PaiiiaRomana It feels like he is in a world of his own(have comparatively unique reads in the begining), separate from others. I dont think i have seen scum do that, so maybe town? π Korjivag too little to go on π RE She is waay more active that compared to her scum games, but sicne i have seen her change her meta as scum before, i cannot say anything with resolve π lil_logic340 no clue π Wisp i have a slight town lean, because of his actvity and his discussions are spread out and not just centered at one place. π Kiiruma no clue π aa-dono people always get the person who says i will/may sheep and he/she becomes a suspect. It has happened to me as well, so maybe im biased but i dont think she is scum, ofc i could be wrong π ironace lost as usual π Astros no clue π yurkin no clue so basically, if i were u guys, i would look into the no clue category from here >_> welp, bye now |
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Korjivag said: By this you assumed scum is not calm. What makes you think so?Phraze: pretty calm, can analyze situation with head level, possibily town Do you agree with Phraze's analysis? _Wisp: quite sharp (in a good way) 55% town So you agree with him too?ironance: kind fishy, not really good with reasoning, 55% scum What makes him fishy?I see most of your town/scum are dependant on activity. Why do you see activity = town? |
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| Astros town probably RE maybe town scum team idea: aa-dono: slipped, scummy karote: defending not playing kiiruma: caught scum trying to hide team |
ironace said: That was honestly not the reason, but your constant feeling lost makes me want to vote you because it seems like both general and specific questions will not get any answer.aa-dono said: I'll do this then. vote: @Korjivag What do you think of everything brought up against Kiiruma, as well as what he thinks of RE? Would be nice to have your thoughts on this as well~ @ironace @Karote I honestly do not have a view point on them, as i feel lost. Why karjivag? Cause he is inactive or what? Kiiruma as well, what did u guys find scummy about him? I just woke up and i understand/comprehend anything at all. Why not Korjivag anyway? |
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PaiiiaRomana said: What slipped?Astros town probably RE maybe town scum team idea: aa-dono: slipped, scummy karote: defending not playing kiiruma: caught scum trying to hide team |
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aa-dono said: PaiiiaRomana said: What slipped?Astros town probably RE maybe town scum team idea: aa-dono: slipped, scummy karote: defending not playing kiiruma: caught scum trying to hide team 307 |
lil_logic340 said: What's the difference between possible town and town?3scum-9town ??? π Karote- ??? π Phraze-POSS. TOWN π PaiiiaRomana-??? π Korjivag- SCUM? :/ π RE- TOWN? π lil_logic340 - DEF TOWN :) π Wisp -??? π Kiiruma- SCUM? :/ π aa-dono-??? π ironace- POSS. SCUM π Astros-??? :/ π yurkin- POSS. TOWN :/- NOT ENOUGH POSTS Korjivag doesn't habe enough posts as well. What makes him scum? |
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Korjivag said: I'm sorry for the low activity, need some time to get use with this constant argument/explanation thing exchange, townread scumread thing. Everybody and their opinion on everybody. ok, so where I've been, think I will start with my opinion on everyone: Karote: he doesn't give enough for me to believe he is trusted towny, kind jumpy, voting me out of nowhere, he is more reactive type of player. Probably scam Phraze: pretty calm, can analyze situation with head level, possibily town PaiiiaRomana: have her own way to separate town and scam, lean to town Korjivag: maybe am not look so convincing, I'm still trying to get use with all this 'complicated' thing. Certainly Town RE: highly active, good with reasoning, possibly town? lil_logic340: hm normal player I think, not too active but not really inactive too, 60% town _Wisp: quite sharp (in a good way) 55% town Kiiruma: before he post again earlier, I kind read him as lazy scam? but now might be just.. busy?? 50%scam 50%town aa-dono: hmm I don't know, not really sure, 45% scum ironance: kind fishy, not really good with reasoning, 55% scum Astros: give different vibe (in a good way) possibly town yurkin: I can't really tell.. 55% scum I know, this just a general read, But if you ask if I can be more specipic, pin point certain act or line, I'm not sure am good at it ;) This is a fake read list, everyone except me is pretty much 50/50 And that only valid read happens to be me who also happens to be voting for you, few people are also suspecting you, do you feel threatened? Just die scum! P.S I'm not reactive type of player. |
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| Rip, I'm on mobile and I don't habe enough energy to find that~ But whatever it was, you prob need to recheck what slip is because that's impossible :/ |
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aa-dono said: PaiiiaRomana said: Rip, I'm on mobile and I don't habe enough energy to find that~307 But whatever it was, you prob need to recheck what slip is because that's impossible :/ aa-dono said: I received 4 deleted messages notification since the game started. D: It was this post. |
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Why not ironace in that case? He fits the description and is general scumread for people. |
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Karote said: How is that a slip?aa-dono said: Rip, I'm on mobile and I don't habe enough energy to find that~ But whatever it was, you prob need to recheck what slip is because that's impossible :/ aa-dono said: I received 4 deleted messages notification since the game started. D: It was this post. |
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| Also, thanks carrot :) |
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| Ace #582 "so basically, if i were u guys, i would look into the no clue category from here >_> welp, bye now" How about you try to sort them out by yourself, that no clue category? |
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aa-dono said: yurkin said: That's not what I meant.Nah, blatantly false means you're saying he's lying on purpose. I want to vote you, yes. I know what you mean, but it can't be false if he haven't noticed otherwise he should have been lying on purpose. |
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yurkin said: To get him talking, though now I'm pretty comfortable with my vote.aa-dono said: But Korjivag voted first. If anything, wouldn't me and lil_logic be the one who jumped on the train? Think re voted first, then moved her vote. Mhmm you asked about his vote tho. This post along with the one where he says he was half joking are his only readable content. Why are you voting korjivag then? I don't mind voting for ironace as well. @Ruu can we get a votecount? |
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Astros said: No.Town do you believe that mafia is active in this Day One? If you answer Yes then please provide evidence to support your answer. If you answer No then please either support your answer or give a rebuttal to one claiming Yes. Additionally. Is it beneficial for Mafia to be active Day One? Why do you believe this to be the case? What are the advantages and risks involved? How have Mafia acted during Day One in past games for you? I wasn't planning on going after inactives but those who are active, at least the ones I interacted with doesn't seem scummy. At least most of them feels towny. So by PoE, the ones left are inactives. Yes. They can set the pace if they play their cards right. Advantage: Lead town or get themselves in early townblock. Most people wouldn't press on Day 1 mislynch anyway so they could hide behind that, maybe. Disadvantage: Exposing themselves too much. Active I guess. I remember few inactive scum but from memory most of them are active. How does this help you? |
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