ScarletCelestial said: Phraze said: 1. behavior is not reliable. Abu was behaviorally better but was killed over u? so, that argument doesn't hold water. come to think of it, I forgot that bomb could apply to NKs(?), why did u out urself as bomb on D1 then? 2. re-evaluate. we have no leads atm and everyone in my PoE ends up flushed into nulls with each flip. so, the best lynch we have is a claimed bomb. 1. I went over this. It was an accident. I said something pre game, gave my list and Abu realised. 2. How do you know Abu was the Mafia kill, couldn't he have been the SK kill? 3. I was literally taunting the Mafia Night 1 with how I could explode in their faces. 4. You scumread Snake who got blown up. 5. If you can't behaviourally clear me, then you can't clear CP and wen either then? 1. hmm guess I forgot that. 2. Abu was a kill from antitown, that's all ik. did I say he was a maf kill? 3. isn't that redundant? shouldnt u be trying to lure maf to kill u rather than scare them away? looks like SK talking to maf or smthing 4. what's bad about that? 5. I can't. |
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| Also, Phraze just admitted they realised I was Bomb Day 1, when many others overlooked it who weren't involved in the conversation at the time. (Both wen and Shin couldn't remember. With how I thought I was already outed I basically gloated in the Night, which I think would make my point stick to Mafia.) |
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ScarletCelestial said: Phraze said: I'm saying it's better to jail the PoE rather than a townread. and if ur bomb u should be lynched regardless. how can we confirm ur alignment otherwise? By looking at my behaviour, like with everybody else in the game? Phraze, when I turn up Town (and let's assume I die on a non-Bomb Day) who do you lynch next? ScarletCelestial said: Phraze said: 1. behavior is not reliable. Abu was behaviorally better but was killed over u? so, that argument doesn't hold water. come to think of it, I forgot that bomb could apply to NKs(?), why did u out urself as bomb on D1 then? 2. re-evaluate. we have no leads atm and everyone in my PoE ends up flushed into nulls with each flip. so, the best lynch we have is a claimed bomb. 1. I went over this. It was an accident. I said something pre game, gave my list and Abu realised. 2. How do you know Abu was the Mafia kill, couldn't he have been the SK kill? 3. I was literally taunting the Mafia Night 1 with how I could explode in their faces. 4. You scumread Snake who got blown up. 5. If you can't behaviourally clear me, then you can't clear CP and wen either then? @Phraze please answer quoted questions. I'm going to bed, it's nearly midnight. |
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ScarletCelestial said: it is relevant in that I won't stand for anyone getting lynched in their first game, in a while or on a new site. gone over that alrdy and u still want to bring it up again. pfftPhraze said: shade is making a NAI tell look worse than it is. I'm saying what I did was NAI, which ur trying to find dirt on. [and its also for the same reasons as Kiiruma, which ur trying to bring up all over again] Phraze, what I saw was the closest thing to a defence of Snake. It is not NAI. You were trying to protect both Kii and Snake, confirmed Mafia. How is that not relevant? |
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ScarletCelestial said: Also, Phraze just admitted they realised I was Bomb Day 1, when many others overlooked it who weren't involved in the conversation at the time. (Both wen and Shin couldn't remember. With how I thought I was already outed I basically gloated in the Night, which I think would make my point stick to Mafia.) I dont think thats the case, and u cant assume that at any point now since youve already pointed out that u accidently outted your role day 1 anyways. Also she does make a good point it didnt seem like everyone knew u were bomb as confirmed town ur the best possible target. Regardless u would have to be sk. |
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ScarletCelestial said: u mentioned it to Shin just now. or I wouldnt have rememberedAlso, Phraze just admitted they realised I was Bomb Day 1, when many others overlooked it who weren't involved in the conversation at the time. (Both wen and Shin couldn't remember. With how I thought I was already outed I basically gloated in the Night, which I think would make my point stick to Mafia.) |
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ScarletCelestial said: ...... why would u want ppl to remember it? killers will just avoid u -.-(Both wen and Shin couldn't remember. With how I thought I was already outed I basically gloated in the Night, which I think would make my point stick to Mafia.) |
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ScarletCelestial said: Also, Phraze just admitted they realised I was Bomb Day 1, when many others overlooked it who weren't involved in the conversation at the time. Phraze said: so basically, if I forgot that bomb can apply to NKs, I should've killed u even with ur logic.come to think of it, I forgot that bomb could apply to NKs(?), why did u out urself as bomb on D1 then?. |
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| I initially wanted Penta to jail shini or phraze. If there is 2 kills that night still, the jailed target is innocent. If only one kill, the jailed target is evil. But the idea of jailing wen and forcing scum to either bomb or miss a kill on me sounds good too. It practically forces them to kill each other. |
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| Phraze... I just about to scumread shini and instavote him day 4. Why you gotta act so freaking scummy? |
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| Also, if SK and maf target each other, who dies first? Or can we just walk away as we win the game? |
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CorruptedPurity said: I doubt Shin is scum. stop tunneling him alrdy. it gets us nowhere.Phraze... I just about to scumread shini and instavote him day 4. Why you gotta act so freaking scummy? |
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CorruptedPurity said: jailer isn't a doc. he should be targeting scum. and do u rly think SK/maf will target each other now? theyre down to 1 per team so the only way to win is keep killing townI initially wanted Penta to jail shini or phraze. If there is 2 kills that night still, the jailed target is innocent. If only one kill, the jailed target is evil. But the idea of jailing wen and forcing scum to either bomb or miss a kill on me sounds good too. It practically forces them to kill each other. |
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| hmmm and I guess its safe to assume we're up against 3 scum? 4 sounds like overkill. |
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Phraze said: CorruptedPurity said: I doubt Shin is scum. stop tunneling him alrdy. it gets us nowhere.Phraze... I just about to scumread shini and instavote him day 4. Why you gotta act so freaking scummy? 7 players Penta, scarlet and wen could be SK (highly doubt it) but in no world are they scum. I know Im town. Theres you, shini and Rinto and as much as you tunnel Rinto, he still acts more towny than the both of you. Also what u mean it gets us nowhere? I only voted one person every phase, and each time they are scum with the exception of shini cos he's still unflipped. i thought I could 3 for 3. But now that I think about it, I may be wrong and last scum is you. |
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Phraze said: CorruptedPurity said: jailer isn't a doc. he should be targeting scum. and do u rly think SK/maf will target each other now? theyre down to 1 per team so the only way to win is keep killing townI initially wanted Penta to jail shini or phraze. If there is 2 kills that night still, the jailed target is innocent. If only one kill, the jailed target is evil. But the idea of jailing wen and forcing scum to either bomb or miss a kill on me sounds good too. It practically forces them to kill each other. You rather RB a potential scum than save a guaranteed town? |
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| @CorruptedPurity 1. tunneling or clearing players is bad for this stage of the game, or any stage in general. Kiiruma and ShadowS were easy lynches, so we can presume both were bused, which means its harder to get solid reads on anyone, which means we shouldnt be clearing anyone. 2. same question I asked Shin: what confirms Scarlet? nothing clears Scarlet other than being on both scum trains. but she's been advertising herself as a bomb which makes it more unhelpful to town. 3. jailer is a functioning RB/doc in one, so to maximize the potential of both abilities - it is better to RB potential scum. if 2 kills occur after jailing a suspect, it clears them. why else is it called 'jail' for? |
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Phraze said: @CorruptedPurity 1. tunneling or clearing players is bad for this stage of the game, or any stage in general. Kiiruma and ShadowS were easy lynches, so we can presume both were bused, which means its harder to get solid reads on anyone, which means we shouldnt be clearing anyone. 2. same question I asked Shin: what confirms Scarlet? nothing clears Scarlet other than being on both scum trains. but she's been advertising herself as a bomb which makes it more unhelpful to town. 3. jailer is a functioning RB/doc in one, so to maximize the potential of both abilities - it is better to RB potential scum. if 2 kills occur after jailing a suspect, it clears them. why else is it called 'jail' for? Yet you tunneled on Penta the entire day 1 and now tunneling on Rinto. Scarlet hasn't only been on the 2 trains, she started the 2 trains. She's the reason why the trains existed in the first place Losing 2 people would be painful tho. Although since wen is treestump, we could kind of afford to lose him. Still is a very thin line to thread. Ill leave it up to Penta to decide where his priorities lie. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Phraze said: @CorruptedPurity 1. tunneling or clearing players is bad for this stage of the game, or any stage in general. Kiiruma and ShadowS were easy lynches, so we can presume both were bused, which means its harder to get solid reads on anyone, which means we shouldnt be clearing anyone. 2. same question I asked Shin: what confirms Scarlet? nothing clears Scarlet other than being on both scum trains. but she's been advertising herself as a bomb which makes it more unhelpful to town. 3. jailer is a functioning RB/doc in one, so to maximize the potential of both abilities - it is better to RB potential scum. if 2 kills occur after jailing a suspect, it clears them. why else is it called 'jail' for? Yet you tunneled on Penta the entire day 1 and now tunneling on Rinto. Scarlet hasn't only been on the 2 trains, she started the 2 trains. She's the reason why the trains existed in the first place Losing 2 people would be painful tho. Although since wen is treestump, we could kind of afford to lose him. Still is a very thin line to thread. Ill leave it up to Penta to decide where his priorities lie. 1. yeah I did. and no, I'm not tunneling Rinto atm. 2. that still doesn't outrule her as potential SK. Scarlet is fairly good at playing by the book, so it won't be a surprise if she genuinely scumhunted. 3. thats the point. unless jailer is lucky enough to hit town who was also the NK target, we should be good. |
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| tho I actually find it interesting if we ask @Pentaflare to jail Scarlet, cuz she advertised herself as bomb few times over I doubt she's the NK target. but she is still a suspect |
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| then again... if Penta/Scarlet are the evils, I don't see any way we can win. all the roles atm are fluff compared to jailer/bomb. |
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| @CorruptedPurity maybe u should look over how roles were used, and see if they were in town's interest or not. better than arguing with me. |
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Phraze said: This would only be valid if we lynch one scum and are trying to find the last scum. Not worth considering when it will be difficult to tell exactly what happened at night anyway.tho I actually find it interesting if we ask @Pentaflare to jail Scarlet, cuz she advertised herself as bomb few times over I doubt she's the NK target. but she is still a suspect |
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| Also, if Shinichi is town this should be an easy game. All he has to do is lightning rod one of the other two players in PoE, eat the kill to prove he's town, and then we lynch elsewhere and win. |
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PentaFlare said: Also, if Shinichi is town this should be an easy game. All he has to do is lightning rod one of the other two players in PoE, eat the kill to prove he's town, and then we lynch elsewhere and win. @Shinichi-kun If you're town, pls lightning rod phraze |
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CorruptedPurity said: @Shinichi-KunPentaFlare said: Also, if Shinichi is town this should be an easy game. All he has to do is lightning rod one of the other two players in PoE, eat the kill to prove he's town, and then we lynch elsewhere and win. @Shinichi-kun If you're town, pls lightning rod phraze dont fcking dare cuz I AM TOWN |
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Phraze said: @CorruptedPurity maybe u should look over how roles were used, and see if they were in town's interest or not. better than arguing with me. I find lots of flaws in your thinking but I cant seem to convince you otherwise so Ill follow your advice here. On another note, I am not free for jailing tonight, repeat, do not jail me. Thank you :D |
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If you are town, why would u be scared? |
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| cuz its a waste. I hope he dies so u can think |
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CorruptedPurity said: why worry about being jailed? ur commuter so its the same as trying to dodge a kill. commuting and jailing is =/= the samePhraze said: @CorruptedPurity maybe u should look over how roles were used, and see if they were in town's interest or not. better than arguing with me. I find lots of flaws in your thinking but I cant seem to convince you otherwise so Ill follow your advice here. On another note, I am not free for jailing tonight, repeat, do not jail me. Thank you :D |
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Phraze said: It would waste the ability if CP commutes and gets jailed since the 1-shot commute would still be used.CorruptedPurity said: why worry about being jailed? ur commuter so its the same as trying to dodge a kill. commuting and jailing is =/= the sameI find lots of flaws in your thinking but I cant seem to convince you otherwise so Ill follow your advice here. On another note, I am not free for jailing tonight, repeat, do not jail me. Thank you :D |
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| Basically won't be jailing there and CP can have a fun game of WIFOM with the evils. |
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| Also Phraze. Look here If there are 4 people, 1 RB, 1 scum and 2 townies. As the scum, I would not NK that night and hope that the RB blocked one of the town and lynch them then win the game the following night. Same logic can apply here. For example, if Penta jails you and you are town and shinichi or rinto is scum, they can simply skip NK and only one kill will appear (by SK) the next day and we will lynch you. So in retrospect I rather Wen be saved so that we dont overcomplicate things. |
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| Wen is a treestump. CP is a commuter. Scarlet is bomb. all 3 have 0 chances of being hit by evils. if Wen/CP/Scarlet are to be jailed, its not to save them. idk how saving Wen will help us if he'll still stay in the game. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Also Phraze. Look here If there are 4 people, 1 RB, 1 scum and 2 townies. As the scum, I would not NK that night and hope that the RB blocked one of the town and lynch them then win the game the following night. Same logic can apply here. For example, if Penta jails you and you are town and shinichi or rinto is scum, they can simply skip NK and only one kill will appear (by SK) the next day and we will lynch you. So in retrospect I rather Wen be saved so that we dont overcomplicate things. 1. Scarlet 2. Wen 3. Rinto 4. CP 5. Shinichi 6. Penta 7. Phraze regardless of what happens. we lynch Scarlet: if town, she could take out scum if scum she will take out town that'll keep us from insta-lose. if evils want a chance to win, they should both kill, cuz we will eke out a win from lynching Scarlet (if she's town and hits right). overall, we just have to block a kill. |
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| and before u start saying that lynching the bomb is antitown, it's more antitown not to. we can PoE with more information if the bomb flips - and if its town we give him the chance to take out scum without being kingmaker. [and I'm sure we wouldn't want to leave the final decision up to one person whose alignment we aren't sure of] |
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| 7 - 2 (now) 5 - 2 (D4) lynch Scarlet + bomb activates --------- if Scarlet is town, she'll likely take out scum/SK if Scarlet is SK(can't be scum), she'll take out town --------- chances of us going into D5 with 2v1 is high this is how it's like if both kills happen if only 1 kill happen, we'll likely go into D5 with 3v1 |
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Phraze said: 7 - 2 (now) 5 - 2 (D4) lynch Scarlet + bomb activates --------- if Scarlet is town, she'll likely take out scum/SK if Scarlet is SK(can't be scum), she'll take out town --------- chances of us going into D5 with 2v1 is high this is how it's like if both kills happen if only 1 kill happen, we'll likely go into D5 with 3v1 Not to point out flaws in your logic but the bomb may not work if she has chosen odd phases pre-game. Furthermore, to me it just seems that an SK would like to shorten the player pool as fast as they could so as not to have any suspicions directed at them until very late in the game. Edit: even -> odd |
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Phraze said: ScarletCelestial said: 1. I went over this. It was an accident. I said something pre game, gave my list and Abu realised. 2. How do you know Abu was the Mafia kill, couldn't he have been the SK kill? 3. I was literally taunting the Mafia Night 1 with how I could explode in their faces. 4. You scumread Snake who got blown up. 5. If you can't behaviourally clear me, then you can't clear CP and wen either then? 1. hmm guess I forgot that. 2. Abu was a kill from antitown, that's all ik. did I say he was a maf kill? 3. isn't that redundant? shouldnt u be trying to lure maf to kill u rather than scare them away? looks like SK talking to maf or smthing 4. what's bad about that? 5. I can't. 1. OK. 2. No... but you were using the example of only Abu. Karote was also killed, despite them being in the PoE. It suggests that you are either the Mafia or SK, and know why Abu died. I'm assuming you're Mafia. 3. No comment. I know what I'm trying to do with my role, and I don't want the Mafia knowing what I'm trying to do with it. 4. ...I have no clue where I was going with that tbh. Blame that on lack of sleep. I have no clue what I was actually trying to write. 5. So you can't clear anyone based upon behaviour? Aren't there players that are somewhat Townier/Scummier than others? Why are you after my death in particular in that case? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: ScarletCelestial said: Also, Phraze just admitted they realised I was Bomb Day 1, when many others overlooked it who weren't involved in the conversation at the time. (Both wen and Shin couldn't remember. With how I thought I was already outed I basically gloated in the Night, which I think would make my point stick to Mafia.) I dont think thats the case, and u cant assume that at any point now since youve already pointed out that u accidently outted your role day 1 anyways. Also she does make a good point it didnt seem like everyone knew u were bomb as confirmed town ur the best possible target. Regardless u would have to be sk. Ah, you're right. I was assuming that they remembered from Day 1, when I also claimed Day 3. I made the assumption due to them forgetting about how I claimed, but remembering that I did it Day 1. My mistake. |
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Phraze said: ScarletCelestial said: Also, Phraze just admitted they realised I was Bomb Day 1, when many others overlooked it who weren't involved in the conversation at the time. Phraze said: so basically, if I forgot that bomb can apply to NKs, I should've killed u even with ur logic.come to think of it, I forgot that bomb could apply to NKs(?), why did u out urself as bomb on D1 then?. Phraze, would you kill something that you would think GET YOU KILLED. On top of that, my other scumreads may not have been accurate at the time, but either yurkin or RE's were. |
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CorruptedPurity said: Also, if SK and maf target each other, who dies first? Or can we just walk away as we win the game? NAR is used, so if Mafia kills SK and vice versa on the same Night, both die at the same time. |
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| Lmao, i can taste the frustration in Scarlet's post XD |
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ScarletCelestial said: CorruptedPurity said: Also, if SK and maf target each other, who dies first? Or can we just walk away as we win the game? NAR is used, so if Mafia kills SK and vice versa on the same Night, both die at the same time. Deer maphea and shereal killa, plees keel itch udder, tank u foh hapleeng toun. I ruv u <3 |
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Phraze said: CorruptedPurity said: jailer isn't a doc. he should be targeting scum. and do u rly think SK/maf will target each other now? theyre down to 1 per team so the only way to win is keep killing townI initially wanted Penta to jail shini or phraze. If there is 2 kills that night still, the jailed target is innocent. If only one kill, the jailed target is evil. But the idea of jailing wen and forcing scum to either bomb or miss a kill on me sounds good too. It practically forces them to kill each other. You're assuming both know who each the other one is. The Mafia might aim to kill the SK unknowingly, or vice versa. Best case scenario is that they end up killing each other. |
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| I agree with CP @Shinichi-Kun, please catch Phraze. |
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Phraze said: CorruptedPurity said: Also Phraze. Look here If there are 4 people, 1 RB, 1 scum and 2 townies. As the scum, I would not NK that night and hope that the RB blocked one of the town and lynch them then win the game the following night. Same logic can apply here. For example, if Penta jails you and you are town and shinichi or rinto is scum, they can simply skip NK and only one kill will appear (by SK) the next day and we will lynch you. So in retrospect I rather Wen be saved so that we dont overcomplicate things. 1. Scarlet 2. Wen 3. Rinto 4. CP 5. Shinichi 6. Penta 7. Phraze regardless of what happens. we lynch Scarlet: if town, she could take out scum if scum she will take out town that'll keep us from insta-lose. if evils want a chance to win, they should both kill, cuz we will eke out a win from lynching Scarlet (if she's town and hits right). overall, we just have to block a kill. Phraze, you're assuming I'm Even Phase. |
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Phraze said: and before u start saying that lynching the bomb is antitown, it's more antitown not to. we can PoE with more information if the bomb flips - and if its town we give him the chance to take out scum without being kingmaker. [and I'm sure we wouldn't want to leave the final decision up to one person whose alignment we aren't sure of] Wait, you're saying you think I could be scum, but in this you're talking like I'm gaurunteed Town! |
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CorruptedPurity said: Lmao, i can taste the frustration in Scarlet's post XD CP, you get me. <3 you. |
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Also @Shinichi-Kun they seem really adamant not to be lightning-rodded, when there should be no issue if they can't kill people. |
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