Game v7: The Great Terror - (The Original Mafia)

DenjaX said:
With the current state of the game, I would like to express my strategy for this game. I believe I this is my job as a type of player who likes being cryptic. I expect no less from town if they do not understand my message for them but you guys should not be worried at all. This is the kind of danger that I am attempting to do that could make or break the game.

I thought that this will be a great strategy but I may find people complain about it later. This is such a good tool to segregate who the rats that are lurking and killing innocent people. We have to keep an eye on those who are paying close attention to this game whether or not they get this message. We cannot have everyone to resort to this kind of strategy but I am just pointing out that it is possible to do this. My idea alone cannot make this possible unless town can understand what I am trying to do. I trust that you guys will make use of this strategy for later. Any other option is welcomed by me if you guys can give me a different suggestion.

If you are reading this, I will probably receive my death sentence. I am walking in a borrowed time and soon it will be over for me. I hope you guys can pick up where I left off when deemed necessary. Without it, we might just be left in the dark especially with all these inactives trying to ruin the fun. xDD


In other words, we should lynch scum in order to win the game. One at a time.

-shad- said:
@Togs
I was referring to two games you landed as scum - one was pirates and the other was the time you landed as scum and post something really town and then you went inactive

PentaFlare said:
I totally forgot about this. I just logged back into MAL after a couple days away so I just got all the notifications now. I'm so sorry. Starting to actually read this now. >.<

Togs said:
The Sketch game is the only one that comes to mind. Did you actually read that one ?

LucianRoy said:

LAZY!

Togs said:
Sorry about that I’m here. I seem to be the consensus scumread for some reason, sorry to disappoint though but I’m not getting lynched toDay.

My Yatagarasu senses are telling me there’s scum somewhere on here. Will keep it in mind for poe purposes.

Didn’t I literally not post in that game though and replaced out

Why’s your vote on a neutral read and not on a scum read ?

-shad- said:


I read it somewhat when i wanted to take some stats of it.

LucianRoy said:

Swoosh, that's the sound of Denja's words going right over my head because I'm not understanding the point of anything he's saying.

-shad- said:


True you might be able to determine is action and behaviour, but i know how denja thinks 4 steps infront other players when his mafia. So im pretty sure he got that in check when he rolled with what he had with his actions that he choose to do.

I believe for right now that you are town as well as chione and right now phraze as well.

My town is - Phraze / Logic / Chione / Kit / Me
Possible - Gruffin
Neutral - Ruu
Unknown - Soda / Lucian / Luna/ Pentaflare / Denjax
Unable to read - Karote
Possible scum - KOta
Scum lean - Togs

Its just that togs rubs me the wrong way with what his doing as he is so alike with his previous playstyle where he rolled scum.

Ruu is neutral cause she havent post much inputs.

Togs said:
You should refer to someone who was actually in that game then, like @Chione. Not to toot my own horn but I did a lot more than just "post 1 thing town" that game.

Shouldn't you be comparing to like, Danganronpa ?

Chione said:
Great. Just wasted my time.


This reeks scum. Copy&paste, really?

Rinto-kun said:
No idea. Tbh it's more beneficial to us if we don't lynch and risk, but that's only if we're sure in our strategy or have considered any kind of strategy. So yeah, more town-killings will only work in mafia's favor so I'd rather have a minimal death toll.
Though if it's inactives, I'd rather kill them.
@GermanSpies please kill the inactive players, they ruin the game. ;_;

-shad- said:
Im honestly reading now and i can feel that phraze is just being a frustrated town right now as i got a feeling shes just being overall frustrated like stated in this post.

here

Denja i dont really trust him just yet, as i know he can be a formidable mafia if he is one which is why people tend to aim on him early. Sorry bruthur you know its true

The reason why i only trusted denja in the idol mafia was because i know he was a town that game. This game speaks different as i do not know denja's role is for real.

-shad- said:
True you might be able to determine is action and behaviour, but i know how denja thinks 4 steps infront other players when his mafia. So im pretty sure he got that in check when he rolled with what he had with his actions that he choose to do.

I believe for right now that you are town as well as chione and right now phraze as well.

My town is - Phraze / Logic / Chione / Kit / Me
Possible - Gruffin
Neutral - Ruu
Unknown - Soda / Lucian / Luna/ Pentaflare / Denjax
Unable to read - Karote
Possible scum - KOta
Scum lean - Togs

Its just that togs rubs me the wrong way with what his doing as he is so alike with his previous playstyle where he rolled scum.

Ruu is neutral cause she havent post much inputs.

At #713, what's up with Phraze and Shad? Seems outta the blue to me man.

logic340 said:
Thank you for putting this out there. OH man it's so refreshing to get a different take on things. My playstyle can be a little brash at time. I called Fo "a cancer to the game" in Hirugashi before I finally realized what his playstyle was like and how it was actually a benefit to town. I love Fo he taught me so much and even though I was kind of an ass to him he kept on working with me. I have noticed that I tend to get into at least one seriously heated discussion per game and usually early (Grave_robber, Fo, and now Chione). Even though it was due to a misunderstanding I like that it allowed us to get to know one another a little bit and I am glad there wasn't too much irepreable damage done, we can still talk (loved this comment "#508 Chione--> Kota tryna counter with logic? Didn't you guys just have a family feud or something?"). My town read on Togs was meta based but Phraze brought up a good point. The one game I played with Togs as Scum he was loverized which probably affected how he plays as scum. Other than that I got some good vibes from him early but not so much anymore. I did a write up on Togs and voted for him early at this point he is currently my best scum lead.

-shad- said:
@Logic340

What do you think of my mini updated reads compared to yours.

logic340 said:
Is there anyone you do believe to be town?

Gruffin said:
@Logic340 I'm good with a Phraze or Togs lynch, but I prefer lynching Phaze over Togs since I seems he's appeared again and Shad's vote is looking a little...>-> Hmmm. I'll be sticking to this vote most likely.
Woah, no no no. I don't think I could stand this game any longer if we didn't lynch someone. Someone seriously needs to get lynched today or else we'll be no further than we were D1.
Sudden defense of Phraze? I did not see frustrated town, I saw frustrated scum.
Interesting Phraze is the first one listed in your townreads. What made you feel so strongly that she is town?
So you are basing your Togs read on meta? His posting pattern is similar to CCL, no? Anything else that looks scummy to you other than that?

-shad- said:


Copy from my initital read list? Yes.
Copy from other people. No.
Nice try : D

Edit : Would you say im that retarded to do something like that when i have been scum once where i did the exact same thing which arrisu caught me from? lmao.

-shad- said:
Mini list
Logic & Chione - You both are my town reads. I believe your argument with him was just a town vs town effect like similarity to the one logic had over at friday the 13th.
Togs - Quiet, but interesting read list. I want to know more of him as i know he can vanished as he is quite busy.
Lulu - We all know that shes inactive.
Denja - Meta or not, his dangerous as a player. Just keeping tabs on him

-shad- said:


reminds me of pirates where you go

AWFUL!

LAZY !

LucianRoy said:

Oh yeah, Fo's awesome and all, but the only thing I thought Togs was guilty of was using too much meta for his reads and not enough juicy post analysis, no? Which number's your vote? Still reading.

-shad- said:
Copy from my initital read list? Yes.
Copy from other people. No.
Nice try : D

Edit : Would you say im that retarded to do something like that when i have been scum once where i did the exact same thing which arrisu caught me from? lmao.

logic340 said:
Togs:



Honestly looking at this it just feel safe. Gruffin me and Kit were all (imo) pretty easy to town read right off the bat. I will say that even given the way people feel about -shad- that even that read can be considered safe though it’s the one that stands out the most to me due to how I felt about –shad-‘s posting to that point. The 4 inactives make it easy for him since there is nothing to say about them. Shinichi is a player you can always easily say IDK what to think about him (and this is only my second time playing with him). Saying that scum could be in the non-colored section resonated with me at the time because it’s the same way I felt but I cannot look past the fact he townread –shad- out of all the people he could have town read at that time.



In the first 6 pages Togs has an RVS vote and that is all. He hasn’t even been name in other players conversations to that point (300 posts). He is only mentioned in a couple of VC’s and being pinged in a question from DenjaX to all players. Page 7 Chione finally pokes Togs (#307 and he shows up shortly there-after in post #308 7 minutes later). He post is his read list (I will talk about this below) which felt pretty good at the time he put it out and also made his town proclamation. Upon further review this is where I really start to have to question Togs intent. Why make this about showing off his town game and not follow through on it? Was it to look townie as possible before disappearing back into the shadows? Was it to draw attention to himself in hopes of generating conversation? Or was it a truthful proclamation? He unvoted and never placed a vote back from what I can see (if I am wrong please let me know).
Chione, Phraze, Gruffin, and Kit all saw Togs as scummy but didn’t vote for him for whatever reason. I honestly fell pretty good about the majority of these players being town.

@Gruffin what made you change your mind on pushing a togs Lynch
@Phraze if you felt Togs was scummy earlier why didn’t you put your vote on him
@Chione had others moved on to Togs would you have joined them?

So Tog’s has basically promised to show off his town game and has fallen short on said promise. Kit was waiting for it an not he will not be able to enjoy seeing it (at least from the world of the living). A lot of people were ready to move on Togs but for whatever reason it didn’t materialize. I would alomost say that he somehow survived the lynch seeing 4 people who were scattered across the two lead trains hone in on him the way they did. A little more trust and Togs would have been the consensus pick. Togs has been really under the radar the first 6 pages were mindblowing when I did this analysis. He’s made promises he hasn’t kept, he seems to be playing it a little safe , and he is quite inactive. His interactions with Kit also ring a bell IDK if it's a frame job by mafia or if Togs just felt comfortable with Kit but I would like others to look into their interactions and tell me what you think.

logic340 said:
They seem to be very similar to mind. I would even say they seem a little on the safe side. The thing about Denja makes me smh because if you think I am town look at my interactions with Denja and how we both come away from them it should tell you something about us. We trust each other that is either because we have figured out that we are both town or we are one hell of a scum team.

LucianRoy said:

Swoosh, that's the sound of Denja's words going right over my head because I'm not understanding the point of anything he's saying.

-shad- said:
Sorry but i see a frustrated town. My stance shall remain. CCL is what again? I was reffering to the time where he rolled scum in sketch and danganronpa mafia.

Edit : By the way please dont mistaken, i put phraze first not because shes my first town read. Her name was the name pop up in my mind at the first.

Gruffin said:
^ "Do you think I'd be that stupid to do that as scum" is a scummy argument. And Chione has a point, your reads are really safe again.

Gruffin said:
Camp Crystal Lake? The game you hosted. :T Surely you remember that you modkilled a town Togs for inactivity.

-shad- said:
I always call it friday the 13th mafia ._. sorry. I always call it as FT13 mafia xDDD

Gruffin said:
So you are basing your Togs read on meta? His posting pattern is similar to CCL, no? Anything else that looks scummy to you other than that?

logic340 said:
This is a really good post there could be many reasons so coming up with reasons for as many of them as we can may help us shed light on it. Basically everyone give there own point of view on it.

-shad- said:


Why would i repeat the same mistakes that i did twice? Would you do that as well after getting rekt hard? I believe not.

If so you might have not understand me enough : D

Chione said:
And how exactly is Gruffin in your "possible" town section? Do you really think Phraze is more towny than he is?

logic340 said:
Questions:
#820
#863
#879

@Togs Where is this town game you promised to show us? I got a strong town vibe off you early but that has slowly faded away. You promised something and you haven't seemed to keep your word on it.

logic340 said:
also I could try to link you and shinichi through the early train thing which would probably have fallen apart at some point and in fact did rather quickly (you moved to Karote rather quickly).

I want your perspective if I'm scum and you are town. Though I'd be honored to be your scum partner after seeing your first game, I know that's not the case. We also know Kit is town so nix him. Of the remaining players based on my interactions who should you think could really be my team. I'll accept the explanation for me and Chione and an inactive but you and kit seem like weird (for lack of a better word) choices.

Anyone else is free to answer this question as well. I honestly think I'd prefer it at this point.

logic340 said:
Who are the four most active living players up to now? Who among them is scum? What are your Comrades

Who are the four least active living players up to now? Who among them is scum? Who are your Comrades?

Of the seven in the middle who are the scum? Who are your Comrade?

I would say there is likely one scum.in each category. Giving just names for your answer is fine but thinking about it critically and giving some support for your answer would be preferred.

-shad- said:
Its just something about denja that i do not trust unless confirmed through power roles which are not bastardize because i got that same treatment before where he was actually scum and lied to me and won the game afterwards with his scum team

Claire knows my pain alot when dealing with denja because i know why denja's a dangerous player xD

logic340 said:
If you did it again then said why would I repeat my mistake would it be a mistake or strategy at that point?

DenjaX said:
You are overestimating me too much and you keep posting that I am dangerous all the time in almost every post you make about me.

KOtA said:
missed me

unfortunately people read my play style as scummy , but i cant change it tbh and also by saying "i'm townie and i dont have to prove anything" that doesn't help me or help in the game in anyway

i'd like to say that the no lynch night happened 80% bc of votes error , so i dont think we can get much info from it , doesn't make karote innocent to me , but i have to move on

i wanted to go after shad , bc of him being stuck on getting luna to join in , but he moved on so i dont see a reason to go after him

i'd agree with that kit might've got killed bc of something he said , but also for some reason i find something chione said might have brought him into the light for the spies (i might be mistaken)


i had lots of ideas in my mind that i overwrote some of them

my idea of the game is that , looking at d1 , most people ended up focusing on 2 targets , which might've casted others aside , and the no lynch made us lose a townie , but i'd say d2 we should have less random vote and more idea of how people act and react to being questioned (the active people at least)


and again i'm going to hold of on voting , and this time i'll make sure it doesn't look like OMGUS , or a sheep vote

-shad- said:
Because you are.

-shad- said:


No i wasnt basing on Friday the 13th . More of like im basing his game on PiratesMafia - in the scum chat. Danganronpa - where he kicked my ass as scum (eventhough i caught him as mafia.) and Sketch mafia (where his play was similar with this)

Chione said:
@-shad-

Answer pls.

if u have doubts about me, pls find it in another way
claims+antimechanic setup=solution?? srsly?

Togs said:
Not sure what exactly you’re scumreading me for. If it’s for inactivity that’s dumb because you know I can be plenty active as scum and it’s not like I’m actively avoiding the thread as part of a strategy I just haven’t been here.

About my poe list I am a process of elimination style player who focuses on finding town reads, maybe you haven’t seen it in games before but I would hardly say it’s weak especially since it was halfway through Day 1. You say safe but that is the nature of how my opinions are gonna look when you take a snapshot of my reads right as I get into the thread with a scumhunting mindset.

Why is townreading Shad scummy, I happen to know him more as a person than most people here, or is it just because you don’t agree ?

I emphasized the fact that I’m town because, dam you have no idea how badly I wanted to be town this game. The Sketch game and Higurashi weigh heavily on my heart and I just don’t want to deal with that again.

DenjaX said:
Can I test you?

-shad- said:


She reminds me of my playstyle back when i first started as a town. I was frustrated and her play this time with what happened with denja is reminding me of that play i did.



This was the quote that reminds me of what i used to say as town. Though i know that people has advised me not to do this but to convince rather than saying things like this It reminds me of a town who is close to giving up which i did in Magi mafia if you remembered.Kinda remembered cause i thought scum was calling me a bad word : D.

Rinto-kun said:
@Shinichi-kun @Togs @callmeLuna @Phraze @Ruu where are you?
I guarantee there is at least 1 scum in this pool. Shinichi acted kind of town-ish D1, Phraze said something scum-ish(not sure) and Ruu didn't do anything from what I remember.
The others haven't even responded at all.
@Astros When will we have the uncooperative members of our Union expelled and sent to Gulag?

Town: DenjaX, Logic340, Chione, Kit
Possible town: Gruffin, Rinto-kun
Complete unknown: Sodalicious_, LucianRoy, callmeLuna
Neutral: Phraze, PentaFlare, Ruu
I don't know if I'm neutral on then or scum: Karote, KOta
Scum lean: Togs, -shad-

Im honestly reading now and i can feel that phraze is just being a frustrated town right now as i got a feeling shes just being overall frustrated like stated in this post.

My town is - Phraze / Logic / Chione / Kit / Me
Possible - Gruffin
Neutral - Ruu
Unknown - Soda / Lucian / Luna/ Pentaflare / Denjax
Unable to read - Karote
Possible scum - KOta
Scum lean - Togs

By the way please dont mistaken, i put phraze first not because shes my first town read. Her name was the name pop up in my mind at the first.

Sudden defense of Phraze? I did not see frustrated town, I saw frustrated scum.