Game v7: The Great Terror - (The Original Mafia)

DenjaX said:
You are denouncing my methods and you cannot even come up with a better solution. So I don't see your so called "contribution" here. If you have, Enlighten me.

Please, if anything, it was Gruffin himself who realized I'm town and you just going along with him. You did not even consider me town.

Yep, it was Rinto-kun who made the tie. You know what you said? You said you preferred to lynch K0tA because Karote sounded town to you. But what you did was actually leading Karote's demise because he would have been lynched if Rinto-kun did not vote last minute. It was 4 - 4 tie but since you moved your vote to shad, Karote became the majority before Rinto-kun made the tie.

How do you explain that?

Phraze said:
1. I disagree with ur methods. but I don't intend to destroy it. yes I lack leads for this game, but that's due to the players.
2. I still don't consider u town, maybe town neutral. u wanted to try 'claiming' but it'll lead to townwreck which has been happening all of D2.
3. I said it somewhere to Shad. Kit claimed a tie, but u(?) broke it by voting Karote. since there was nothing I could do and I didn't wanna vote Karote, I switched votes. that was in case Rinto would vote Kota(and he did) to force a tie against ur vote. now that wasn't my problem. I only did what was necessary, it's better than forcing another tie(which wasn't official one btw). are u talking to me in terms of official votecount or the mistake Kit made? I was following what Kit said. Rinto forced the tie at the end.

//not gonna see me now and idc if u vote me

DenjaX said:
Anybody want to vote against Phraze with me?

Vadim: Phraze

DenjaX said:
If you look at the set of questions I gave her, you should know something stinks lmao.

LucianRoy said:
I'm ALMOST THERE

Phraze said:
@DenjaX
not gonna ruin ur plan but yes, I knew it was fluff. Gruffin was asking something else. know that I know what ur thinking

Phraze said:
@logic340
I know that. this is very antitown of me, but I just prefer to watch the game's progress now.

this game has more potential than Higurashi. we don't have a lynch lock and got more players.
I suspected Denja but his strategy(and something he said) showed him as town. if he joined the search party on N1 I would know it was a trick lol. even Gruffin called the search without a clue(or did she to fish?). Logic is being Logic, safely say ur town.
I sorta knew whatever Denja is thinking, and everyone is following him. but this is gonna ruin town more than not and I disagree with it.

DenjaX said:
Yeah, you should be lynched. This game is filled with inactives and you are not even contributing with a better solution. How else are we supposed to do when we got no info at all?

Yeah at this point, I don't care if you are scum or just town trying to be anti-town just for shits and giggles. Your posts are just awful. You need to go.

Phraze said:
@DenjaX
1. we shall see
2. everyone has their strategy so I respect and work with it. give me one game example where I purposely threw someone else's strategy. it's also against the rules. and I'm serious, if u still want to imply that my playstyle is only for laughs, I WILL ask for a replacement
3. anything u say

Phraze said:

1. I disagree with ur methods. but I don't intend to destroy it. yes I lack leads for this game, but that's due to the players.
2. I still don't consider u town, maybe town neutral. u wanted to try 'claiming' but it'll lead to townwreck which has been happening all of D2.
3. I said it somewhere to Shad. Kit claimed a tie, but u(?) broke it by voting Karote. since there was nothing I could do and I didn't wanna vote Karote, I switched votes. that was in case Rinto would vote Kota(and he did) to force a tie against ur vote. now that wasn't my problem. I only did what was necessary, it's better than forcing another tie(which wasn't official one btw). are u talking to me in terms of official votecount or the mistake Kit made? I was following what Kit said. Rinto forced the tie at the end.

//not gonna see me now and idc if u vote me

logic340 said:
@Rinto-kun what is your take on the Phraze/DenjaX interaction? Who do you think is town and who do you think is scum?

Rinto-kun said:

I'm rather inclined to trust Denja because he rarely displays a proactive behavior. I know from my past happenings with him.
Phraze is openly defending herself and her response seems like something a town would do, but her wording is strange.

logic340 said:
@Karote I see you are currently online are you catching up?

Please don't ask for a replacement this game has already been hard enough and the first two replacements haven't even caught up yet and the phase is almost over.

Karote said:


Taking bus home from school but yea, I do read when I get the chance.

logic340 said:
@-shad- You were online 45 minutes ago you couldn't have checked into the thread while you were here?

Edit: Typo

Phraze said:
Denja was smart enough to make a plan, so he should be smart enough to see my answer. mechanical player desu~
in all my games so far, I never asked ppl to claim. it's usually others who asked for it. I rely more on behavior/association/etc. heck it was always (fake)claims that messed up my reading. this setup is esp based on behavior so I'm playing by that, and pffft to claims(tho maybe for Denja). plz no stupid posts... about 3 times I'm dealing with lousy town it's just wowww take meh to paradizo

I'm no pro claimer //offgame comment [and do not question my playstyle]

if u have doubts about me, pls find it in another way
claims+antimechanic setup=solution?? srsly?

-shad- said:


Actually can you link me where the first fight happened between Denja and phraze the part where it started and stuff like that

logic340 said:

#714 - Phraze and Denja are talking about the lynch tie.
[url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=700#msg49001040]#716[url] - DenjaX responds to #714 and asks Phraze some questions.
#720 - Phraze responds to the questions by saying she is not claiming
#723 DenjaX's response to Phraze's answer
#850 - Denja votes Phraze
#880 - Denja asks me to join on Phraze vote
#888 - Says she is not going to ruin Denja's plan calls it fluff
Everything from here has pretty much been Denja vs. Phraze

logic340 said:
Wording is always strange with Phraze. I had a similar situation come up in Hirugashi where my vote allowed for a lynch lock to happen. I felt horrible afterward and I would like to avoid a similar situation from happening. I could honestly see Phraze and DenjaX being a Town vs. Town thing but I want need to hear what others think.

You have tied the vote with you vote on Togs are you going for a second no-lynch or will you make a move accordingly before that happens?

Gruffin said:
What do you find interesting about Togs' read list? Is he townie or scummy to you?
Speaking of promises, I'm still waiting on this. How later on are we going to get this reads list from you?

PentaFlare said:
I have class until 30 minutes before the phase change. I'll be back then. Hopefully it will be sufficient.

PentaFlare said:
I have class until 30 minutes before the phase change. I'll be back then. Hopefully it will be sufficient.

logic340 said:
Less than 4 hours where the _______ is everyone?

@DenjaX, @Gruffin do we feel really good about the Phraze lynch? I think I would rather us get rid of one of the just active enough inactive players (I understand Phraze fits). Togs, callmeLuna, and Penta may all be in danger of being modkilled.

PentaFlare missed the first 48 hour Day phase, Now they have made 3 posts (the min requirement) and nothing else. Left a vote on Gruffin who most town read at this point in time. I didn't mind that vote at first but the fact that it's a page 5 vote and it's still sitting there with no new reasoning or posts bugs me.

logic340 said:

#714 - Phraze and Denja are talking about the lynch tie.
[url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=700#msg49001040]#716[url] - DenjaX responds to #714 and asks Phraze some questions.
#720 - Phraze responds to the questions by saying she is not claiming
#723 DenjaX's response to Phraze's answer
#850 - Denja votes Phraze
#880 - Denja asks me to join on Phraze vote
#888 - Says she is not going to ruin Denja's plan calls it fluff
Everything from here has pretty much been Denja vs. Phraze

Rinto-kun said:

No idea. Tbh it's more beneficial to us if we don't lynch and risk, but that's only if we're sure in our strategy or have considered any kind of strategy. So yeah, more town-killings will only work in mafia's favor so I'd rather have a minimal death toll.
Though if it's inactives, I'd rather kill them.
@GermanSpies please kill the inactive players, they ruin the game. ;_;

-shad- said:
Im honestly reading now and i can feel that phraze is just being a frustrated town right now as i got a feeling shes just being overall frustrated like stated in this post.

here

Denja i dont really trust him just yet, as i know he can be a formidable mafia if he is one which is why people tend to aim on him early. Sorry bruthur you know its true

The reason why i only trusted denja in the idol mafia was because i know he was a town that game. This game speaks different as i do not know denja's role is for real.

[4] Togs ✖ Chione, Phraze, Rinto-kun, -shad-
[3] Phraze ✖ DenjaX, logic340, Gruffin
[1] -shad- ✖ Karote
[1] KOtA ✖
[1] Gruffin ✖ PentaFlare


Neglect of Duty || Togs, Ruu, Sodalicious_, KOtA, LucianRoy, callmeLuna

logic340 said:
I think if you look at this setup with Denja's actions you should be able to determine where his behavior (motivation) is coming from. Do you think I am town at this time? Do you trust any of my reads?

aa-dono said:


Mod Notes
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Suspicion History

-shad- said:
puffy mcpuffy, i voted togs. here

[2] Togs ✖ Chione, Phraze, Rinto-kun (Shad)

-shad- said:


Aplogized didnt get to quite read this.
I was leaning towards him as town, but right now im leaning on him as scum because it just reminds me of a playstyle he once did as scum!togs where he will post something really townie in the first day and then get inactive in the next - also quite the same as pirates!togs.

With this im voting until togs comes back and tell me whatsup Vadim Togs or until the last hour of phase change

logic340 said:
Town: DenjaX, Logic340, Chione, Kit
Possible town: Gruffin, Rinto-kun
Complete unknown: Sodalicious_, LucianRoy, callmeLuna
Neutral: Phraze, PentaFlare, Ruu
I don't know if I'm neutral on then or scum: Karote, KOta
Scum lean: Togs, -shad-

The post itself looks fluffy but from my point of view it was put out there to see how you would react. I honestly would have liked to see you answer the questions. We can make a behavioral read based on the fact that you chose not to answer them. The question becomes why did she answer? If you see what Denja is doing then you should see the town motive behind right?

How does following Denja's plan further ruin town? If anything Denja has been very helpful especially when you compare him to all the inactive players. I think a lot of people are purposely avoiding Denja (particularly scum) because his play style can cause them to slip up.

1. Disagreeing with methods is fine but trying to understand the reason behind the motive is what you need to be looking at.
2. What I would consider to be the townwreck is the fact that more than half of us have been idle and inactive.
3. I this is all kinds of hard to read because the VC was wrong. So we have to think about what people's motives for the moves where when considering what the state of the VC was. You cannot say that Rinto saved so-and-so by making it a tie when they thought they were putting the person they voted for in the lead. This is just an example I haven't even tried to figure those reasons out yet.

@Phraze DenjaX, Me, and Gruffin do you think we are town or scum?

LucianRoy said:
LET'S DO THIS
D1 everybody
I tried to keep it as accurate as possible to original notes I took. I ran out of paper after I ran out of post-it notes, so no more real notes. I apologize for a lot of it being just recap for me personally and close reading so things you guys will probably find inconsequential, but if I took notes on it, then there's probably a reason I took notes for it, (much of it to see how it the thread plays out so I can go back and look at interactions if need be). And, indeed, some places I go back and interact with the notes I took previously, so try n keep up, k? Some of its even dialogue with shin b/c some of his play was pretty janky. And yeah, I know it's long, But I'm tryna make up for a game my slot maybe has 5 good posts in a set of almost 20 pages. I read and responded/analyzed/ questioned as I read, so I apologize if some of these have already been answered, a lot of the rest is just info and summary.


So far at EoD my scumreads are looking like Denja, Karote, Ruu, and possibly Phraze. Denja's all over the place with sheeping and doing a lot of things that just aren't really productive to town, some of them even counter productive. He also backs people and sheeps at weird moments, for instance, during the Chione v. Logic fight there's like, no hesitation in taking a side and he immediately jumps on Logic. I don't like it man. I'm not sure I'm a fan to how Karot reacted to all the pressure on him today and Kit hounding him was a stellar thing b/c he's always so annoying to sort in the late game., Ruu didn't even push any of her reads at EoD like wtf, just kinda vote parked on Karote and stood in the background. I really didn't like that. Phraze is weird too b/c what was up with that switch just at EoD? it cost us a lynch and now any search we do N2 is just going to be going back to D1 except with a lynch. IMPORTANT QUESTION: Phraze, wtf was up with that last minute vote bullshittery yesterday?
Final note, I'm only doing this for day one to help me sort my thoughts. Anything else I bring up I'll probably have questions on.

That's about it, reading rest rn.