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Aug 11, 2016 11:49 AM

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Shinichi-Kun said:
Well eventually their claim will come under fire cause just like penta said they won't be overlooked forever.
*most likely yes
Pokeit said:
hmm well there's a small train on Shinichi-kun, but I guess that's normal from past experiences.

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greenwillow said:
The first player to post being random. Soren must be really lucky with rng then.

I don't think he used RNG. I think he randomly picked Soren because he was the first person to come to mind (as he posted first)
While it is viewed as a normal thing to vote Shin, what do u think about this train? Will u join in?

Yes, that is exactly what I call not so random.
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Aug 11, 2016 11:49 AM

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Vote: PentaFlare

Intuition.
<3
Aug 11, 2016 11:50 AM

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Gwendolly said:
Do I even want to answer that? :P
Do you? :o
Karote said:
What exactly?
All u wrote.
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Aug 11, 2016 11:53 AM

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greenwillow said:
Gwendolly said:
Do I even want to answer that? :P
Do you? :o
Karote said:
What exactly?
All u wrote.


You should probably cast a vote then.
Aug 11, 2016 11:57 AM

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Vote: Shinichi-kun
Aug 11, 2016 11:59 AM

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Karote said:
You should probably cast a vote then.
Did I say that I think you are bad?
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Aug 11, 2016 12:00 PM

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Verumir said:
Vote: Shinichi-kun
Mah evil twin! Hello hello, for what reason are u voting Shinichi?
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Aug 11, 2016 12:05 PM

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greenwillow said:
Shinichi-Kun said:
Well eventually their claim will come under fire cause just like penta said they won't be overlooked forever.
*most likely yes
Pokeit said:
hmm well there's a small train on Shinichi-kun, but I guess that's normal from past experiences.

also


I don't think he used RNG. I think he randomly picked Soren because he was the first person to come to mind (as he posted first)
While it is viewed as a normal thing to vote Shin, what do u think about this train? Will u join in?

Yes, that is exactly what I call not so random.


I don't think much of it, basically just to see his reaction. And no.

I don't have any issues with him voting for Soren as his first 'random' vote, do you?
Aug 11, 2016 12:08 PM

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greenwillow said:
Karote said:
You should probably cast a vote then.
Did I say that I think you are bad?


Too scared to vote?
Aug 11, 2016 12:12 PM

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Pokeit said:
I don't think much of it, basically just to see his reaction. And no.

I don't have any issues with him voting for Soren as his first 'random' vote, do you?
How many votes does one need to see reaction?

Oh nono, it is wonderful to see her vote and speculate. Even better it would be if she talked more :>
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Aug 11, 2016 12:15 PM

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greenwillow said:
Pokeit said:
I don't think much of it, basically just to see his reaction. And no.

I don't have any issues with him voting for Soren as his first 'random' vote, do you?
How many votes does one need to see reaction?

Oh nono, it is wonderful to see her vote and speculate. Even better it would be if she talked more :>


I guess you get a different reaction depending on the amount of votes.
Aug 11, 2016 12:16 PM

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Karote said:
Too scared to vote?
Just cautious of whatever bastard elements this game might bring. But don't worry, I will vote when I decide on who I want to vote. Do u want that I'd vote u?
I am also curious of what will happen 2 hours before phase change.
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Aug 11, 2016 12:17 PM

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As i've got work in 40 mins i'm gonna head off ill respond to the thread in about 5-6 hours if im not too tired from work.

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Verumir said:
Vote: Shinichi-kun


Really lol


Aug 11, 2016 12:46 PM

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greenwillow said:
Karote said:
Too scared to vote?
Just cautious of whatever bastard elements this game might bring. But don't worry, I will vote when I decide on who I want to vote. Do u want that I'd vote u?
I am also curious of what will happen 2 hours before phase change.

There wouldn't happen to be a jester in this game right? xD
Aug 11, 2016 1:02 PM

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Vote Count 1.2

Shinichi-Kun (4) // ♙Soren, Bee-Boy, Karote, Verumir♙
PentaFlare (2) // ♙aa-dono, Gwendolly♙
Soren (1) // ♙Shuuka♙
_Claire_ (1) // ♙PentaFlare♙
Blonde (1) // ♙wen294♙


♞Not Voting♞: ♙_Claire_, greenwillow, Pokeit, ZTHero, Kasai, Lord_Sithis, Blonde, DenjaX, Shinichi-Kun♙


♕ Mod Notes: This phase will last 48 hours.
☼ Timer for Day 1 ☼
Aug 11, 2016 1:17 PM

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wen294 said:
There wouldn't happen to be a jester in this game right? xD
Everything is possible.
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Aug 11, 2016 1:39 PM

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greenwillow said:
wen294 said:
There wouldn't happen to be a jester in this game right? xD
Everything is possible.

Hold me i'm scared, everything but a jester D:
Aug 11, 2016 1:43 PM

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Vote: Soren

Because of obvious reason of being me.

Okay what did i miss just arrived home.
Aug 11, 2016 2:03 PM

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wen294 said:
Hold me i'm scared, everything but a jester D:
Can't do. I am holding potatoes.
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Aug 11, 2016 2:18 PM

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Vote: Gwendolly
Aug 11, 2016 2:20 PM

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ZTHero said:
Vote: Gwendolly
Intuition?
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Aug 11, 2016 2:21 PM

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greenwillow said:
ZTHero said:
Vote: Gwendolly
Intuition?


Sure... Why not...
"Intuition" :)
Aug 11, 2016 2:23 PM
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This is interesting... I'll wait a little more...
Aug 11, 2016 2:23 PM

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aa-dono said:
Before to sleep vote.

Vote Pentaflare
Because I missed you and now we're classmates :')
Last time I played with you I thought you were town for the most part of the game but then I realized you were scum and doused me. The betrayal >_>
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ZTHero said:
Sure... Why not...
"Intuition" :)
Heh, so from that one her post u think that Gwen is bad? What does your intuition says about everyone else?
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Aug 11, 2016 2:26 PM

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Lord_Sithis said:
This is interesting... I'll wait a little more...
Anything specific what is interesting? What are u waiting for?
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Aug 11, 2016 2:30 PM

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greenwillow said:
Verumir said:
Vote: Shinichi-kun
Mah evil twin! Hello hello, for what reason are u voting Shinichi?


because, why not?™

greenwillow said:
Karote said:
Too scared to vote?
Just cautious of whatever bastard elements this game might bring. But don't worry, I will vote when I decide on who I want to vote. Do u want that I'd vote u?
I am also curious of what will happen 2 hours before phase change.


Now what bastard elements should we even be afraid of? That's no really good set of mind for any town to be as they lose their best weapon
Aug 11, 2016 2:35 PM

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greenwillow said:
ZTHero said:
Sure... Why not...
"Intuition" :)
Heh, so from that one her post u think that Gwen is bad? What does your intuition says about everyone else?


Let me check with it...
*whispers*
*whispers back*
It says everyone is scum :)
Aug 11, 2016 2:40 PM

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Verumir said:
Now what bastard elements should we even be afraid of? That's no really good set of mind for any town to be as they lose their best weapon
How would I know lol, I can only imagine.
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Aug 11, 2016 2:41 PM

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ZTHero said:
Let me check with it...
*whispers*
*whispers back*
It says everyone is scum :)
Hi scum :)
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Aug 11, 2016 2:44 PM
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greenwillow said:
Lord_Sithis said:
This is interesting... I'll wait a little more...
Anything specific what is interesting? What are u waiting for?
I don't want to vote just now. I don't like RVS because you're just voting without information. And I'm waiting until we have that information.
Aug 11, 2016 2:44 PM

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greenwillow said:
ZTHero said:
Let me check with it...
*whispers*
*whispers back*
It says everyone is scum :)
Hi scum :)


Hi,
Would you like to talk about this over dinner? :)
Aug 11, 2016 2:46 PM

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Lord_Sithis said:
I don't want to vote just now. I don't like RVS because you're just voting without information. And I'm waiting until we have that information.
Then. What do u think I am even trying to do?
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Aug 11, 2016 2:47 PM

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ZTHero said:
Hi,
Would you like to talk about this over dinner? :)
About what?~
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greenwillow said:
Lord_Sithis said:
I don't want to vote just now. I don't like RVS because you're just voting without information. And I'm waiting until we have that information.
Then. What do u think I am even trying to do?
I don't know... Gather information?
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Lord_Sithis said:
greenwillow said:
Anything specific what is interesting? What are u waiting for?
I don't want to vote just now. I don't like RVS because you're just voting without information. And I'm waiting until we have that information.


We vote so we get reactions in order to get that information.
Aug 11, 2016 2:48 PM

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On that note

Vote: Lord_Sithis
Aug 11, 2016 2:51 PM

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Lord_Sithis said:
I don't know... Gather information?
Exactly. U can't expect evwrything to be served on the plate =|
Why don't you tell me better if anything suspicious cought your eye while reading posts?
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Aug 11, 2016 2:51 PM
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Pokeit said:
Lord_Sithis said:
I don't want to vote just now. I don't like RVS because you're just voting without information. And I'm waiting until we have that information.


We vote so we get reactions in order to get that information.
Haha, OK. But I'll just wait. I know it's important, but I don't like to vote for someone that I don't even suspect. Tomorrow I'll read the whole thread, and then I'll decide.

greenwillow said:
Lord_Sithis said:
I don't know... Gather information?
Exactly. U can't expect evwrything to be served on the plate =|
Why don't you tell me better if anything suspicious cought your eye while reading posts?
Sorry :) I prefer to wait until tomorrow, then I'll decide.
Aug 11, 2016 2:54 PM

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I'll be sure to poke u in 24 hours then
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Aug 11, 2016 2:56 PM

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@Soren ! Where did u go? :> How do u like the train on Shin u started?
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Aug 11, 2016 3:21 PM

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Okay this wagon on Shinichi is growing and needs to stop right now because he is my first actual town read of the game. I was co-host of a recent game that Shinichi was in where he was scum, so I have a direct scum meta of him and there are parallels to be drawn from his play in that game to his play in this game that is making me town read him right now.

So let me show what scum!Shinichi's day 1 play was like in this other game. He mostly posted filler commentary that added almost nothing to the game.
Exhibit #1 - Comment does nothing to progress the game
Exhibit #2 - More filler commentary
Exhibit #3 - The lack of any actual content continues
Exhibit #4 - Pointless action speculation
Exhibit #5 - Wifom talk and laughs at a meme pic

As we can see, all of these posts shows me nothing about shinichi thinking about the game, just commentary to make him appear present in the game but not actually solving anything. There's more posts and I can keep going but I think that's enough for now.

Now let take a look at the posts that Shinichi is making in this game that draws a contrast to his day 1 scum!meta.
#10 - Here Shinichi is giving his honest thought on what he thinks is wrong with my approach. While I don't exactly agree with him that I should slow it down, I understand Shinichi as a player that when he has his independent thought and displays that in the game, no matter how odd I find it to be, it is an a strong indication of his towniness and him standing firm with his belief and thoughts about the game.
#14 - I like this post and I will explain this with another one of his post.
#25 - The first line of his posts is an reinforcement of his view found in his #10 where he says that past role does not affect this game's role. I like this because it shows Shinichi holding a belief and standing firm with it. I also like the second part of his post, because it is him having an issue with something and pointing it out. Both of these things were not present in his scum game.
#26 - This is the post that links to post #14, this is another example of Shinichi having a belief and him standing firm on it.
#28 - Here he elaborates his point further to further defend his position. I like the firmness that Shinichi is showing, it is a trait that I commonly find in town!Shinichi games but is lacking in his scum games.
#33 - Another post of him defending his position.
#35 - Continues to point out his displeasantry of karote's vote, showing a genuine concern over it.

To sum up, Shinichi is town because this is the complete opposite of his scum meta, he presents his beliefs and stands firm on them and displays townie mindset where he expresses his displeasantry towards karote.

So unless @Bee-boy, @Karote or @Verumir actually have some kind of reason for scum reading Shinichi, you need to unvote him and pick another lynch target.

Additionally, I have very minor town reads on Bee-boy, Karote and Verumir for being on the Shinichi wagon. Bee-boy's vote was an early sheep/additional pressure in which I don't see scum intention as of yet, Karote and Verumir followed with a nonchalant sheep which for now I am seeing as rather townie because wagons provide useful information if done right, thereby meaning that their sheep vote is a pro town move. Furthermore, since I am town reading Shinichi, and with a wagon already forming on him, I think that scum would play it safe and stay away from the wagon as there is no need to join a wagon that is already building up on itself, it only makes them look bad for simply sheeping it.

Now onto my first scum read on the game, that would be greenwillow. Here's why:
#17 - Her first post in the game and there is no rvs. She makes IIoA (information instead of analysis), expresses her interest in Shuuka's vote, thinking that there is something suspicious with it and also role fishes Gwen's role.
#19 - This is the first of many posts that green makes that I am finding particularly faked. It is the questions that she asks. This empty question of why bee boy is sheeping my vote leads to almost nowhere in terms of discerning his alignment.
#32 - Here green ridicules Shuuka again of her "not-so-random" vote, thereby applying pressure to her. Which at this point I can see green plotting down a vote on, yet she does not commit to it.
#34 - Another empty question that again doesn't lead to working someone's alignment out.
#37 - Adding commentary to a discussion that isn't helping us catch mafia right now.
#40 - Easy questioning
#44 - Lacks conviction behind pressuring karote. Are you scum reading him or are you faking a scum read on him?
#46 - Easy question that isn't going to provide much.
#51 - Green yet again expresses that she is finding shuuka's "random" vote to be suspicious which shows enough of a reason at thsi stage of the game to vote shuuka yet isn't committing, pressuring nor voting Shuuka. Raising a concern but lacking the motivation to pressure more out of it is an indicative trait of scum alignment.

She's got more posts but they're just more of the same thing so I'll stop here. To summarize, green willow is scum for asking easy and empty questions that does not progress the game and for not committing to her suspicions on karote and shuuka, her lack of rvs vote and showing reasons to vote someone but doesn't only makes this look worse.

Vote: greenwillow
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Lord_Sithis said:
greenwillow said:
Anything specific what is interesting? What are u waiting for?
I don't want to vote just now. I don't like RVS because you're just voting without information. And I'm waiting until we have that information.
That is exactly the point of RVS.
RVS is how you get that information.
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Soren said:
Lord_Sithis said:
I don't want to vote just now. I don't like RVS because you're just voting without information. And I'm waiting until we have that information.
RVS is how you get that information.
Yeah, I know. But I have bad experiences with it. Last game I voted for shap, a random vote, and everyone unvoted shap and voted me just because shap said my vote was suspicious, so I was forced to reveal my role as the cop. I don't want to do that again.
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Lord_Sithis said:
Soren said:
RVS is how you get that information.
Yeah, I know. But I have bad experiences with it. Last game I voted for shap, a random vote, and everyone unvoted shap and voted me just because shap said my vote was suspicious, so I was forced to reveal my role as the cop. I don't want to do that again.
That situation was handled very poorly by town. I have trust that town in this game will think more deeply about people's action with regard's to their alignment.
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Hmmm.....
Right now Shinichi is still null for me. Like you said, maybe it is from the previous games you played with him that you might know how he would play. But in my view, that is not enough to really convince me he is town.
As for Bee-boy, Karote and Verumir, I agree that the chance of all three of them being town is likely. However, given the unknown number of mafias and 3rd parties, I have to have a paranoid attitude that one of them has to be not town. I would estimate 3 mafias and maybe 2 3rd party members (serial killer and something else)?

And yes... green's questions as of right now have no progressing meaning. Not sure what he wanted me to say during that short conversion with me. Questioning my "intuition" vote...
Aug 11, 2016 4:20 PM

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Well sorry that I can only think of "empty questions" at least I am trying and don't just vote and leave. If u are finding it scumy then what can I do.

On what else u talked about me while creating the displeasant vision from the simple things:
Did u actually think that Gwen would tell her role lol? Well I didnt, I was just curious of how she would reply to that.

I was stating my thoughts on Shuuka's vote but after that one reaction post she didn't say anything anymore and left.

Oh ok, so I can't say my opinion, great.

Karote is neutral to me, he seems to act typical of how I remember him to act sometimes. His posts didn't make me think that he is town or mafia and that bothered me, because I can't understand.

Easy question this easy question that, I did got some replies and u can at least try to figure out what's their thoughts.

I am going to vote later in the game, I thought I made that clear. I want Shuuka to talk. My motivation is in waiting for them to appear.
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ZTHero said:
And yes... green's questions as of right now have no progressing meaning. Not sure what he wanted me to say during that short conversion with me. Questioning my "intuition" vote...
I simply wanted to know why u voted her, if her vote made u suspicious or what.
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Aug 11, 2016 4:26 PM

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I didn't like the way Shinichi reacted to beeboy PGO claim that's why I voted for him, hmm I don't see a point in trying to pressure him more now anyway, but I'm not like Soren convinced on willow either...

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