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Sep 28, 2012 5:43 PM

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Kurimu-chan said:

ssjokg said:

Kurimu-chan said:

Karura_Jiinsaru said:
Japanese Editorials and Baka-Tsuki, maybe?

I'm also referring to the sales in Japan- when did SAO suddenly become so widespread? I never noticed. You can't enter one book store in Japan without being swarmed with SAO novels and related matchandise/posters.
Same goes for the weekly sales ranking..

well SAO was first posted in the author's site in 2002.Then in 2009 it was published as a LN.

Ah I see. Thanks for clarifying. Though it seems to me like the novel only gained widespread attention during late 2011 - 2012. Probably due to the Anime announcement and us people who have not read the original novels..

from the story synopsis of SAO in baka tsuki's site

"The legendary novel made an appearance with browsing numbers exceeding 6.5 million page views recorded at the personal website"

The "legendary" aside I dont know if this is true or not.

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Sep 28, 2012 5:44 PM

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ssjokg said:
from the story synopsis of SAO in baka tsuki's site

"The legendary novel made an appearance with browsing numbers exceeding 6.5 million page views recorded at the personal website"

The "legendary" aside I dont know if this is true or not.

I call it pure marketing :)

Sep 28, 2012 5:47 PM

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ssjokg said:

Kurimu-chan said:

ssjokg said:

Kurimu-chan said:

Karura_Jiinsaru said:
Japanese Editorials and Baka-Tsuki, maybe?

I'm also referring to the sales in Japan- when did SAO suddenly become so widespread? I never noticed. You can't enter one book store in Japan without being swarmed with SAO novels and related matchandise/posters.
Same goes for the weekly sales ranking..

well SAO was first posted in the author's site in 2002.Then in 2009 it was published as a LN.

Ah I see. Thanks for clarifying. Though it seems to me like the novel only gained widespread attention during late 2011 - 2012. Probably due to the Anime announcement and us people who have not read the original novels..

from the story synopsis of SAO in baka tsuki's site

"The legendary novel made an appearance with browsing numbers exceeding 6.5 million page views recorded at the personal website"

The "legendary" aside I dont know if this is true or not.

Not surprised, Japan is pretty famous for liking online novels.

That being said, I'm guessing it was recognized and became famous years later, hence the fact that it was only recently published as a novel (Took 7 years for that to happen- unless there was not enough source material earlier on for a novel)

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Sep 28, 2012 5:47 PM

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Karura_Jiinsaru said:

ssjokg said:
from the story synopsis of SAO in baka tsuki's site

"The legendary novel made an appearance with browsing numbers exceeding 6.5 million page views recorded at the personal website"

The "legendary" aside I dont know if this is true or not.

I call it pure marketing :)

Well if 600000 people, read the novel 10 times back then, it easily reaches that number.Unless the views arent recorded like in YouTube

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Sep 28, 2012 5:47 PM

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Karura_Jiinsaru said:

ssjokg said:
from the story synopsis of SAO in baka tsuki's site

"The legendary novel made an appearance with browsing numbers exceeding 6.5 million page views recorded at the personal website"

The "legendary" aside I dont know if this is true or not.

I call it pure marketing :)

Karura_Jiinsaru said:

ssjokg said:
from the story synopsis of SAO in baka tsuki's site

"The legendary novel made an appearance with browsing numbers exceeding 6.5 million page views recorded at the personal website"

The "legendary" aside I dont know if this is true or not.

I call it pure marketing :)

Ain't that the truth...

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Sep 28, 2012 5:48 PM

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InfiniteDestiny said:

ShiroX said:

InfiniteDestiny said:

Smooched said:
What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing.

LOL; you people say stuff like this then expect people to take you seriously

ssjokg said:
Eh no not at all.
From the best anime adaption(Fate zero) to SAO and from SAO to the worse adaption Tsukihime the source material was ALWAYS better be it LN,VN or manga.

This, i enjoy SAO but that said its nothing compared to the novels; the character development got shot in the anime; that isn't the case in the novels; its been said many times over but you people don't care to listen, well whatever; like i said before the hate you bring to the forums is pointless, you hating it will not change its popularity; it will only bring unneeded animosity that contains not reason nor purpose; you are wasting your time watching something you hate; heck some morons even make reviews hating on the series wasting even MORE time; you hate something yet you spend soooooooo much time on it; the irony is truly amusing.

it would be incredibly stupid and one-sided if only people who liked a series wrote reviews

also, hating is fun
not a good thing, but that's just the way it is

You know you made my point all by yourself right? Its not a good thing. However i do agree with you, there are two sides to every coin after all. People shouldn't misunderstand, i don't care if you dislike or hate this series, i really really don't. You are entitled to your own opinion, but the way you express it and the reason for it is stupid. As has been pointed out, the popularity of the series makes it more hated then it would be if one took a step back and looked at it normally. Also the way the hate is described just brings unneeded conflict and makes the forums almost intolerable. If one wants to hate this series because they dislike the plot, the characters, the whatever, thats one thing but to hate a series because of its popularity and then simply use one line sarcastic insult remarks is pathetic and redundant. Also like i said before i find it completely pointless to watch something you hate, why watch something that you hold no hope for; is it truly time well spent just to make fun of something? that is seeking conflict and that is what i have a problem with.

while I technically agree with most of that, I think you're exaggerating the hate, I doesn't seem to be that bad
the real hate begins when ppl start insulting the fans

Sep 28, 2012 5:48 PM

#107

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ssjokg said:

Karura_Jiinsaru said:

ssjokg said:
from the story synopsis of SAO in baka tsuki's site

"The legendary novel made an appearance with browsing numbers exceeding 6.5 million page views recorded at the personal website"

The "legendary" aside I dont know if this is true or not.

I call it pure marketing :)

Well if 600000 people read the novel 10 times back then it easily reaches that number.Unless the views arent recorded like in YouTube

From what I understand, Kawahara´s site had plenty of fan material, so who knows...

Sep 28, 2012 5:49 PM

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ShiroX said:

InfiniteDestiny said:

ShiroX said:

InfiniteDestiny said:

Smooched said:
What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing.

LOL; you people say stuff like this then expect people to take you seriously

ssjokg said:
Eh no not at all.
From the best anime adaption(Fate zero) to SAO and from SAO to the worse adaption Tsukihime the source material was ALWAYS better be it LN,VN or manga.

This, i enjoy SAO but that said its nothing compared to the novels; the character development got shot in the anime; that isn't the case in the novels; its been said many times over but you people don't care to listen, well whatever; like i said before the hate you bring to the forums is pointless, you hating it will not change its popularity; it will only bring unneeded animosity that contains not reason nor purpose; you are wasting your time watching something you hate; heck some morons even make reviews hating on the series wasting even MORE time; you hate something yet you spend soooooooo much time on it; the irony is truly amusing.

it would be incredibly stupid and one-sided if only people who liked a series wrote reviews

also, hating is fun
not a good thing, but that's just the way it is

You know you made my point all by yourself right? Its not a good thing. However i do agree with you, there are two sides to every coin after all. People shouldn't misunderstand, i don't care if you dislike or hate this series, i really really don't. You are entitled to your own opinion, but the way you express it and the reason for it is stupid. As has been pointed out, the popularity of the series makes it more hated then it would be if one took a step back and looked at it normally. Also the way the hate is described just brings unneeded conflict and makes the forums almost intolerable. If one wants to hate this series because they dislike the plot, the characters, the whatever, thats one thing but to hate a series because of its popularity and then simply use one line sarcastic insult remarks is pathetic and redundant. Also like i said before i find it completely pointless to watch something you hate, why watch something that you hold no hope for; is it truly time well spent just to make fun of something? that is seeking conflict and that is what i have a problem with.

while I technically agree with most of that, I think you're exaggerating the hate, I doesn't seem to be that bad
the real hate begins when ppl start insulting the fans

It looks like you havent been in the ep discussions a lot recently.

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Sep 28, 2012 5:52 PM

#109

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ShiroX said:

InfiniteDestiny said:

ShiroX said:

InfiniteDestiny said:

Smooched said:
What I can't understand is why people rave about the novels, when the anime and the novels are essentially the same thing.

LOL; you people say stuff like this then expect people to take you seriously

ssjokg said:
Eh no not at all.
From the best anime adaption(Fate zero) to SAO and from SAO to the worse adaption Tsukihime the source material was ALWAYS better be it LN,VN or manga.

This, i enjoy SAO but that said its nothing compared to the novels; the character development got shot in the anime; that isn't the case in the novels; its been said many times over but you people don't care to listen, well whatever; like i said before the hate you bring to the forums is pointless, you hating it will not change its popularity; it will only bring unneeded animosity that contains not reason nor purpose; you are wasting your time watching something you hate; heck some morons even make reviews hating on the series wasting even MORE time; you hate something yet you spend soooooooo much time on it; the irony is truly amusing.

it would be incredibly stupid and one-sided if only people who liked a series wrote reviews

also, hating is fun
not a good thing, but that's just the way it is

You know you made my point all by yourself right? Its not a good thing. However i do agree with you, there are two sides to every coin after all. People shouldn't misunderstand, i don't care if you dislike or hate this series, i really really don't. You are entitled to your own opinion, but the way you express it and the reason for it is stupid. As has been pointed out, the popularity of the series makes it more hated then it would be if one took a step back and looked at it normally. Also the way the hate is described just brings unneeded conflict and makes the forums almost intolerable. If one wants to hate this series because they dislike the plot, the characters, the whatever, thats one thing but to hate a series because of its popularity and then simply use one line sarcastic insult remarks is pathetic and redundant. Also like i said before i find it completely pointless to watch something you hate, why watch something that you hold no hope for; is it truly time well spent just to make fun of something? that is seeking conflict and that is what i have a problem with.

while I technically agree with most of that, I think you're exaggerating the hate, I doesn't seem to be that bad
the real hate begins when ppl start insulting the fans

Agree with ShiroX- it's just that when a series is overhyped, we tend to expect a LOT- and I mean a LOT- from it. But, when it fails to deliver and fulfill our expectations is when we begin to dislike it more thanks to the hype.

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Sep 28, 2012 5:58 PM

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Uberchu said:

Paul said:
It's because it's a MMO based anime.

Not really. The whole story could work out in a standard fantasy setting without issue. SAO just throws in a few MMO references here and there and everyone gives it a 10.

Not in the least. The whole premise is that they've been trapped in an MMO, and are forced to fight their way up the tower if they want to escape, and how people cope with that. Try and cram it into a standard fantasy setting instead, and everyone loses their motive for what they're doing. Some things like the murder case, or Yui's situation flat out don't make sense anymore. There'd be no reason for Kirito and Asuna to not flat out retire from fighting after getting married. No one would have any particular reason to fight their way up the tower, dual wielding wouldn't be something remarkable to keep hidden, and so on. The story doesn't just throw in a few MMO references, that it's in an MMO is crucial to the story, and changing the setting would require heavy re-writing of the entire thing into something that would no longer resemble SAO.

Kurimu-chan said:
Agreed- the minute someone sees that it's MMO, it appeals to them and justifies ranking it 10/10 from episode 1 alone.

Got to give a hand for the author if the LN, he was smart enough to realize that an MMO story would get him all the money and fame.

The author originally wrote SAO for a Denegeki contest back in 2002:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengeki_Novel_Prize

It exceeded the allowed page count, and he lacked the skill to shorten it so he put it on his website instead and kept writing for it. The result being that in 2008 he won the contest with Accel World, and had the means and the confidence to see about getting SAO published as well.

So, no he didn't look around and think "Hey, MMO's are popular, I bet a story set in one would make me a lot of money." he wrote this back before WoW made MMO's popular, and he picked a MMO setting because he played MMO's himself, and was basically going with the old "write what you know" advice.

Sep 28, 2012 5:58 PM

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From now on I will never ever drink water while browsing through threads like this. I don't want to choke to death while laughing.

As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.

Sep 28, 2012 6:00 PM

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ssjokg said:

Candor said:

ssjokg said:
..
Space brother's first ep was better than all of SAO's ep till now.

QFT.

I know right?
Just because I like SAO(both LN and anime,with LN>>anime) it doesnt mean I cant see the differences with other series.

There are people like you who can see the difference, but sometimes fans who defend it blindly can get really annoying at times. I don't really mind though, I was a blind fan once myself, but these kind of threads are enjoyable to read, for various reasons.

BloodRequiem said:
From now on I will never ever drink water while browsing through threads like this. I don't want to choke to death while laughing.

Tomorrow just bring some popcorn or/and chips and try avoiding Cola or drinks in general.

Sep 28, 2012 6:01 PM

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BloodRequiem said:
From now on I will never ever drink water while browsing through threads like this. I don't want to choke to death while laughing.

These threads are what keep the forum alive with laughter, no? (:

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Sep 28, 2012 6:02 PM

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Candor said:

ssjokg said:

Candor said:

ssjokg said:
..
Space brother's first ep was better than all of SAO's ep till now.

QFT.

I know right?
Just because I like SAO(both LN and anime,with LN>>anime) it doesnt mean I cant see the differences with other series.

There are people like you who can see the difference, but sometimes fans who defend it blindly can get really annoying at times. I don't really mind though, I was a blind fan once myself, but these kind of threads are enjoyable to read, for various reasons.

Yea, about that...

Not trying to cross the borderline here but- Is it me or do many SAO fans get extremely touchy when someone criticize's the series in any way?
Guess it's that way for many 'popular' anime..

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Sep 28, 2012 6:02 PM

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By the way the article reminds me of this:

Boku no Pico is a brilliant deconstruction of the romance genre and one of the great masterpieces of our time, the love story between little androgynous boy pico and 'mokkun' is absolutely innovative and heartwarming, this series also explains complex themes such as gender identity and sexuality, the art is on par with the greats and can easily be compared to the likes of vincent van gogh, boku no pico completely changed everything i thought about anime and my outlook on life as a whole, in closing boku no pico is the greatest piece of entertainment i have ever enjoyed and if it wasn't for it, i might have already ended my life with an early suicide.

Kurimu-chan said:

Candor said:

ssjokg said:

Candor said:

ssjokg said:
..
Space brother's first ep was better than all of SAO's ep till now.

QFT.

I know right?
Just because I like SAO(both LN and anime,with LN>>anime) it doesnt mean I cant see the differences with other series.

There are people like you who can see the difference, but sometimes fans who defend it blindly can get really annoying at times. I don't really mind though, I was a blind fan once myself, but these kind of threads are enjoyable to read, for various reasons.

Yea, about that...

Not trying to cross the borderline here but- Is it me or do many SAO fans get extremely touchy when someone criticize's the series in any way?
Guess it's that way for many 'popular' anime..

All rabid members of a fanbase are like that. It's just that SAO has more of those rabid fans.

As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.

Sep 28, 2012 6:03 PM

#116

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BloodRequiem said:
By the way the article reminds me of this:

Boku no Pico is a brilliant deconstruction of the romance genre and one of the great masterpieces of our time, the love story between little androgynous boy pico and 'mokkun' is absolutely innovative and heartwarming, this series also explains complex themes such as gender identity and sexuality, the art is on par with the greats and can easily be compared to the likes of vincent van gogh, boku no pico completely changed everything i thought about anime and my outlook on life as a whole, in closing boku no pico is the greatest piece of entertainment i have ever enjoyed and if it wasn't for it, i might have already ended my life with an early suicide

You, sir, made my day.

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Sep 28, 2012 6:04 PM

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Kurimu-chan said:

Candor said:

ssjokg said:

Candor said:

ssjokg said:
..
Space brother's first ep was better than all of SAO's ep till now.

QFT.

I know right?
Just because I like SAO(both LN and anime,with LN>>anime) it doesnt mean I cant see the differences with other series.

There are people like you who can see the difference, but sometimes fans who defend it blindly can get really annoying at times. I don't really mind though, I was a blind fan once myself, but these kind of threads are enjoyable to read, for various reasons.

Yea, about that...

Not trying to cross the borderline here but- Is it me or do many SAO fans get extremely touchy when someone criticize's the series in any way?
Guess it's that way for many 'popular' anime..

It's the audience, they're mostly either gamers or otakus as I mentioned somewhere here before, most of them are also teenagers. Can you see fans like that for mature series for example?

Sep 28, 2012 6:05 PM

#118

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BloodRequiem said:
By the way the article reminds me of this:

Boku no Pico is a brilliant deconstruction of the romance genre and one of the great masterpieces of our time, the love story between little androgynous boy pico and 'mokkun' is absolutely innovative and heartwarming, this series also explains complex themes such as gender identity and sexuality, the art is on par with the greats and can easily be compared to the likes of vincent van gogh, boku no pico completely changed everything i thought about anime and my outlook on life as a whole, in closing boku no pico is the greatest piece of entertainment i have ever enjoyed and if it wasn't for it, i might have already ended my life with an early suicide.

Kurimu-chan said:

Candor said:

ssjokg said:

Candor said:

ssjokg said:
..
Space brother's first ep was better than all of SAO's ep till now.

QFT.

I know right?
Just because I like SAO(both LN and anime,with LN>>anime) it doesnt mean I cant see the differences with other series.

There are people like you who can see the difference, but sometimes fans who defend it blindly can get really annoying at times. I don't really mind though, I was a blind fan once myself, but these kind of threads are enjoyable to read, for various reasons.

Yea, about that...

Not trying to cross the borderline here but- Is it me or do many SAO fans get extremely touchy when someone criticize's the series in any way?
Guess it's that way for many 'popular' anime..

All rabid members of a fanbase are like that. It's just that SAO has more of those rabid fans.

I think type moon's fans are worse :P
It's just that Fate/zero didnt have that much hate posts so we didnt go berserk on the haters.

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Sep 28, 2012 6:06 PM

#119

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Candor said:

Kurimu-chan said:

Candor said:

ssjokg said:

Candor said:

ssjokg said:
..
Space brother's first ep was better than all of SAO's ep till now.

QFT.

I know right?
Just because I like SAO(both LN and anime,with LN>>anime) it doesnt mean I cant see the differences with other series.

There are people like you who can see the difference, but sometimes fans who defend it blindly can get really annoying at times. I don't really mind though, I was a blind fan once myself, but these kind of threads are enjoyable to read, for various reasons.

Yea, about that...

Not trying to cross the borderline here but- Is it me or do many SAO fans get extremely touchy when someone criticize's the series in any way?
Guess it's that way for many 'popular' anime..

It's the audience, they're mostly either gamers or otakus as I mentioned somewhere here before, most of them are also teenagers. Can you see fans like that for mature series for example?[/quote

Nope, no way. Pretty sure many if not most SAO crazy fans are around 13-15 years old (:

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Sep 28, 2012 6:06 PM

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