For non-japanese:-Have you ever though of learning Japanese so watching Anime would be sooooo much easier?????
| Imagine watching Anime is much easier\funnier\more straightforward..... etc Actually I am really into it, I think I am going to do it sometime in the future, At least you could watch new episodes when it still [RAW] This alone is a big advantage, yet there are a lot of advantages ahead of you I think. |
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| Reading subtitles isn't at all hard for me so I could care less about learning Japanese to make watching anime easier. |
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| It also gives you access to older and more obscure shows and comics that never have and probably never will be translated into English - a bigger deal than new shows that will probably be translated if you give it a month or so. And if you have a more general interest in Japan there's that as well. |
| I am japanese, so no. |
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| The only thing you really get from learning Japanese just for watching anime is that you'll most likely will have a greater understanding of japanese customs and names (including honorifics), which would make it easier for you to understand certain jokes. Don't bother learning japanese for the sole purpose of watching anime. I still read subtitles for anime or films (be it in japanese or english) as it's just habit. |
| I once thought of learning more kanji so that I could read a yaoi doujin about Sherlock Holmes and Watson. Seriously. |
Iriya said: Reading subtitles isn't at all hard for me so I could care less about learning Japanese to make watching anime easier. Sohei said: The only thing you really get from learning Japanese just for watching anime is that you'll most likely will have a greater understanding of japanese customs and names (including honorifics), which would make it easier for you to understand certain jokes. Don't bother learning japanese for the sole purpose of watching anime. I still read subtitles for anime or films (be it in japanese or english) as it's just habit. Reading subtitles is not hard, but it's a very great to be able to understand a new culture (Japanese one is interesting). Plus, after my experience of learning Chinese(I know a little actually), I find it very amusing to be able to understand languages that always seemed just like random sketches(no offense meant here). It isn't All about making watching easier, Making it much funnier too. |
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Sohei said: The only thing you really get from learning Japanese just for watching anime is that you'll most likely will have a greater understanding of japanese customs and names (including honorifics), which would make it easier for you to understand certain jokes. Don't bother learning japanese for the sole purpose of watching anime. I still read subtitles for anime or films (be it in japanese or english) as it's just habit. This is one of my reasons, actually |
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SweetMonia said: Reading subtitles is not hard, but it's a very great to be able to understand a new culture (Japanese one is interesting). Plus, after my experience of learning Chinese(I know a little actually), I find it very amusing to be able to understand languages that always seemed just like random sketches(no offense meant here). Well yes, but to understand a culture you don't necessarily have to speak the language. I watch all my films with subtitles, even though i might be fluent in both langauges as it sometimes alerts us to words we might otherwise have missed. |
Sohei said: SweetMonia said: Reading subtitles is not hard, but it's a very great to be able to understand a new culture (Japanese one is interesting). Plus, after my experience of learning Chinese(I know a little actually), I find it very amusing to be able to understand languages that always seemed just like random sketches(no offense meant here). Well yes, but to understand a culture you don't necessarily have to speak the language. I watch all my films with subtitles, even though i might be fluent in both langauges as it sometimes alerts us to words we might otherwise have missed. You are right, But understand the language make learning the culture much easier, like having the ability to make friend with people who don't speak any other language(Japanese who speak only Japanese), Plus they say that people trust those who speak their first language(psychology theory) From you talking I assume that you speak English\Japanesse, Japanesse is your first language ^_^ |
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Sohei said: SweetMonia said: Reading subtitles is not hard, but it's a very great to be able to understand a new culture (Japanese one is interesting). Plus, after my experience of learning Chinese(I know a little actually), I find it very amusing to be able to understand languages that always seemed just like random sketches(no offense meant here). Well yes, but to understand a culture you don't necessarily have to speak the language. I watch all my films with subtitles, even though i might be fluent in both langauges as it sometimes alerts us to words we might otherwise have missed. You are right, But understand the language make learning the culture much easier, like having the ability to make friend with people who don't speak any other language(Japanese who speak only Japanese), Plus they say that people trust those who speak their first language(psychology theory) From your talking I assume that you speak English\Japanesse, Japanesse is your first language ^_^ |
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yakyuu-addict said: You'll never be in the wrong trying to learn a new language; learning a new language will improve you native language as well. Right, It also increase your ability in math, and give you ability to be more expressive, Personne will never know when he\she will be in need to this new language |
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Neverender said: I am japanese, so no. Then here is the question:- For japanese:-Have you ever though of forgeting Japanese so watching Anime would be sooooo much Harder????? >>>> Just kidding ^_^ |
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| Yes, at times that idea has sounded appealing, but I have never gone through with it. I imagine completely forgetting my first language would be quite difficult. |
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| no i don't. plus i've watched enough already to get basic phrases and words. |
SweetMonia said: Sohei said: SweetMonia said: Reading subtitles is not hard, but it's a very great to be able to understand a new culture (Japanese one is interesting). Plus, after my experience of learning Chinese(I know a little actually), I find it very amusing to be able to understand languages that always seemed just like random sketches(no offense meant here). Well yes, but to understand a culture you don't necessarily have to speak the language. I watch all my films with subtitles, even though i might be fluent in both langauges as it sometimes alerts us to words we might otherwise have missed. You are right, But understand the language make learning the culture much easier, like having the ability to make friend with people who don't speak any other language(Japanese who speak only Japanese), Plus they say that people trust those who speak their first language(psychology theory) From your talking I assume that you speak EnglishJapanesse, Japanesse is your first language ^_^ Well, definately it helps when you're actually living in the country (to speak the language), but learning a language for the sole purpose of watching anime is quite a waste. Now im not sure what kind of culture you're refering to, as you don't necessarily need to have japanese friends to understand japanese culture (although it is definately beneficial) as culture is more than just language. I'm not familiar with the psychogical principle, although in my experiences it definantely isn't true. Japanese is actually my 4th language, after Dutch, English and French. |
Sohei said: SweetMonia said: Sohei said: SweetMonia said: Reading subtitles is not hard, but it's a very great to be able to understand a new culture (Japanese one is interesting). Plus, after my experience of learning Chinese(I know a little actually), I find it very amusing to be able to understand languages that always seemed just like random sketches(no offense meant here). Well yes, but to understand a culture you don't necessarily have to speak the language. I watch all my films with subtitles, even though i might be fluent in both langauges as it sometimes alerts us to words wemight otherwise have missed. You are right, But understand the language make learning the culture much easier, like having the ability to make friend with people who don't speak any other language(Japanese who speak only Japanese), Plus they say that people trust those who speak their first language(psychology theory) From your talking I assume that you speak EnglishJapanesse, Japanesse is your first language ^_^ Well, definately it helps when you're actually living in the country (to speak the language), but learning a language for the sole purpose of watching anime is quite a waste. Now im not sure what kind of culture you're refering to, as you don't necessarily need to have japanese friends to understand japanese culture (although it is definately beneficial) as culture is more than just language. I'm not familiar with the psychogical principle, although in my experiences it definantely isn't true. Japanese is actually my 4th language, after Dutch, English and French. That's maybe true, Watching Anime isn't the sole purpose of me learning Japanese(Although it's a very very important one), that's why Japanese is still my 5th language until now(after Arabic,English,French,Chinese), Just the though of the Idea make it quite interesting, I don't like hearing things I cannot understand. Sohei said: I'm not familiar with the psychophysical principle, although in my experiences it definitely isn't true. I think the most correct form of the theory is:-"people tend to trust those who speak their first language", they may trust you and they not, But you will have a better chance here(Not an enough reason to consider learning their language). |
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SweetMonia said: That's maybe true, Watching Anime isn't the sole purpose of me learning Japanese(Although it's a very very important one), that's why Japanese is still my 5th language until now(after Arabic,English,French,Chinese), Just the though of the Idea make it quite interesting, I don't like hearing things I cannot understand. Well if you really want to learn japanese i suggest doing it for more than the single purpose of understanding anime. Theres many more intresting things in japan than just anime. As to how to achieve this, depending on how old you are, try to get a year of studying abroad while in college. |
| ive thought about it, but learning a new language is too hard... im alrdy learning spanish and even english is a second language for me |
| No. I'm a very fast reader, so subs are not a problem for me. I have, however, thought of and still plan to learn Japanese for the sake of playing eroge and visual novels that have little to no chance of being translated. bubblehead said: It also gives you access to older and more obscure shows and comics that never have and probably never will be translated into English - a bigger deal than new shows that will probably be translated if you give it a month or so. And if you have a more general interest in Japan there's that as well. Truth. While not the initial reason, that has given me more motivation to learn the language. yakyuu-addict said: You'll never be in the wrong trying to learn a new language; learning a new language will improve you native language as well. Also truth, and is actually the initial reason I decided to learn Japanese :) Tragically (or is it?), my ulterior motives managed to overshadow this. XD |
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Sohei said: SweetMonia said: That's maybe true, Watching Anime isn't the sole purpose of me learning Japanese(Although it's a very very important one), that's why Japanese is still my 5th language until now(after Arabic,English,French,Chinese), Just the though of the Idea make it quite interesting, I don't like hearing things I cannot understand. Well if you really want to learn japanese i suggest doing it for more than the single purpose of understanding anime. Theres many more intresting things in japan than just anime. As to how to achieve this, depending on how old you are, try to get a year of studying abroad while in college. You are quite right, I heard Japanese is one of the most useful for scientific purposes(I just got my Bachelor in Computer Science), Sometimes, It's confusing to chose what languages to learn, Japanese is still on my waiting list(will compete with Germany, which is another good language to learn), studying abroad is a good way of practicing, but it shouldn't be considered unless you had some grip on the language, otherwise you will end up learning it the very hard way. I am happy to have this discussion with you, It's nice to have people who share the same interest as yours. |
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| i learned most of my japanese by watchin anime. and japanese dramas. ^^ i wanna learn how to write in kanji though. |
| While it's ok for for media like anime to spark an interest in a foreign culture like Japan, anime itself is the last reason you should want to learn a language. Of course it's not a COMPLETELY invalid one if you really love anime. But really, learning Japanese for anime makes it sound as if Japanese is a completely useless language and anime fans wouldn't care a thing about anything of Japanese culture if it weren't for anime. |
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Kuyukly said: No. I'm a very fast reader, so subs are not a problem for me. I have, however, thought of and still plan to learn Japanese for the sake of playing eroge and visual novels that have little to no chance of being translated. bubblehead said: It also gives you access to older and more obscure shows and comics that never have and probably never will be translated into English - a bigger deal than new shows that will probably be translated if you give it a month or so. And if you have a more general interest in Japan there's that as well. Truth. While not the initial reason, that has given me more motivation to learn the language. yakyuu-addict said: You'll never be in the wrong trying to learn a new language; learning a new language will improve you native language as well. Also truth, and is actually the initial reason I decided to learn Japanese :) Tragically (or is it?), my ulterior motives managed to overshadow this. XD I like this "Ulterior Motives" thing, It make learning the language much funnier, Later, You will always find another ways to get\realize the benefits of your new language. |
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ukonkivi said: While it's ok for for media like anime to spark an interest in a foreign culture like Japan, anime itself is the last reason you should want to learn a language. It's not a COMPLETELY invalid one if you really love anime. But really, learning Japanese for anime makes it sound as if Japanese is a completely useless language and anime fans wouldn't care a thing about anything of Japanese culture if it weren't for anime. No, Japanese is never a useless Language(Sorry if it sounded like this), But Anime is part of the Japanese media that people around the world tend to watch, It made many people know Japan more and more(I used to like Japan before knowing that Anime is made in Japan ^^), There are many other things that make people focuses on Japan, Japan is the second most country I wish to visit someday(after France). SweetMonia said: You are quite right, I heard Japanese is one of the most useful for scientific purposes(I just got my Bachelor in Computer Science), Sometimes, It's confusing to chose what languages to learn, Japanese is still on my waiting list(will compete with Germany, which is another good language to learn), studying abroad is a good way of practicing, but it shouldn't be considered unless you had some grip on the language, otherwise you will end up learning it the very hard way. |
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| ah. i see your point. srry,if it was any disrespect to the japanese culture. |
SweetMonia said: You are quite right, I heard Japanese is one of the most useful for scientific purposes(I just got my Bachelor in Computer Science), Sometimes, It's confusing to chose what languages to learn, Japanese is still on my waiting list(will compete with Germany, which is another good language to learn), studying abroad is a good way of practicing, but it shouldn't be considered unless you had some grip on the language, otherwise you will end up learning it the very hard way. I am happy to have this discussion with you, It's nice to have people who share the same interest as yours. You don't necessarily need to understand the language of the country you want to study in. There are many english language universities throughout the world (even in Japan) where you can continue studying while at the same time taking an intensive course on the language of the country. |
Sohei said: SweetMonia said: You are quite right, I heard Japanese is one of the most useful for scientific purposes(I just got my Bachelor in Computer Science), Sometimes, It's confusing to chose what languages to learn, Japanese is still on my waiting list(will compete with Germany, which is another good language to learn), studying abroad is a good way of practicing, but it shouldn't be considered unless you had some grip on the language, otherwise you will end up learning it the very hard way. I am happy to have this discussion with you, It's nice to have people who share the same interest as yours. You don't necessarily need to understand the language of the country you want to study in. There are many english language universities throughout the world (even in Japan) where you can continue studying while at the same time taking an intensive course on the language of the country. That's right, I missed this point ^^ |
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| It`s easier to read than listen... |
| Reading the subs is easy, but sometimes the subs are wrong, so I suppose it would help to learn. |
| Zetsubou Shi- I'm in despair~ Me being such a horrible fan in a world filled with so many anime and cool japanese internet meme-things, not to mention games, ect. has left me in despair!~ |
Nijo said: It`s easier to read than listen... Well, It depend on the series, Some series's are fast paced |
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| Reading subtitles isn't at all hard for me, but I am trying to learn alittle japanese. |
| yes i plan to learn japanese, and french |
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Damnedman said: ive thought about it, but learning a new language is too hard... im alrdy learning spanish and even english is a second language for me It's not so hard(although it requires a considerable efforts), It's just need a lot of time |
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Nameless-Shadow said: Reading subtitles isn't at all hard for me, but I am trying to learn alittle japanese. Which makes watching more funnier, even for just simple phrases(like:- Arigato, Taijobo?, Wakata) |
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| Already learning Japanese ^^;; not for Anime purposes but of course that will be a big plus! And learning a new language is not very hard at all. I've learned English and German (Swedish is my mother tongue) and I find that you just have to be patient with it. |
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| i know teeny bits and pieces and all it does it make it more frustrating because sometimes (rarely) i can understand all of a sentence except one word. problem when i attempt a raw because of lack of/slow subs or looking through a doujinshi for fun. too lazy to try harder though, o well. Reavery2k said: rude.When I make a hit-list, I'll be sure to put you near the top. |
VoiceWithin said: Already learning Japanese ^^;; not for Anime purposes but of course that will be a big plus! And learning a new language is not very hard at all. I've learned English and German (Swedish is my mother tongue) and I find that you just have to be patient with it. I am learning French right now, I already learned English and I am going to learn Chinese afterward(Arabic is my first language). It's nice to meet you |
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SweetMonia said: VoiceWithin said: Already learning Japanese ^^;; not for Anime purposes but of course that will be a big plus! And learning a new language is not very hard at all. I've learned English and German (Swedish is my mother tongue) and I find that you just have to be patient with it. I am learning French right now, I already learned English and I am going to learn Chinese afterward(Arabic is my first language). It's nice to meet you Nice to meet you too!! I want to learn Chinese as well as Arabic..but for the time being I'm concentrating on Japanese :) |
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Reavery2k said: When I make a hit-list, I'll be sure to put you near the top. I haven't understand this one, Could you explain please!!!! |
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SweetMonia said: they're trolling, ignore it.Reavery2k said: When I make a hit-list, I'll be sure to put you near the top. I haven't understand this one, Could you explain please!!!! |
cyruz said: SweetMonia, please stop double posting so much. There's an edit link below every single forum post you make. Use that one if you want to add something. You don't have to make 2 posts to quite 2 different people. Much appreciated. Haaaaaai, I will use one post for multi-replying, Which is much easier, But double posts comes from problems in my internet conncection,I am very Sorry about that. ^^ |
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windy said: SweetMonia said: they're trolling, ignore it.Reavery2k said: When I make a hit-list, I'll be sure to put you near the top. I haven't understand this one, Could you explain please!!!! That might need explaining, too. |
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| Definitely - after a while you stop being proud of yourself for getting the gist and the tone of the anime you're following and start to feel guilty for not bothering to learn all these years since you started. I'm currently learning hiragana and katakana - and oh my, is it taking me an amazingly long time - but the second I get near a Japanese cultural centre late some time next month, I am so there. I may just want to follow my favourite yaoi beyond their scanlated limits, but by god the enthusiasm is there. :D |
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| I plan on learning Japanese, speaking so I won't be able to read, but I don't know how much practical usage I will have for it aside from watching anime. I do plan to go to Japan though, so I'll have some use for it then. |
| I'd love to learn Japanese if I wasn't so busy with other stuff. Perhaps in a year or two. |
elisegrey said: Definitely - after a while you stop being proud of yourself for getting the gist and the tone of the anime you're following and start to feel guilty for not bothering to learn all these years since you started. I'm currently learning hiragana and katakana - and oh my, is it taking me an amazingly long time - but the second I get near a Japanese cultural centre late some time next month, I am so there. I may just want to follow my favourite yaoi beyond their scanlated limits, but by god the enthusiasm is there. :D Eventually, you will definitely be proud of yourself as soon as you finish learning your language, For a long term process like language learning, it's hard not to have some stops, but the least gaps there are, the better ^^ yakyuu-addict said: I plan on learning Japanese, speaking so I won't be able to read, but I don't know how much practical usage I will have for it aside from watching anime. I do plan to go to Japan though, so I'll have some use for it then. I think Having a Japanese friend is good idea by the time you finish learning(Even without learning, IT's a good idea ^^) Issun said: I'd love to learn Japanese if I wasn't so busy with other stuff. Perhaps in a year or two. Me too ^^ |
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