| This is kind of an awkward question, but something I've wondered about for a while - since the most popular visual novels are shounen/seinen-centered (if not for the fact that the majority of characters are female, the main character is male), is there a fanbase of girls for this sort of thing? I know that if it was all reversed (character-wise, with the main character being female and most other characters being male), I could probably bring myself to play it, since I can be a bit feminine myself, and I've seen a few shoujo series, but it'd still be a bit unnatural - and I'm sure it'd be even more unnatural for other guys to do so. Eh, I guess any gender-related question like this is bound to be awkward. |
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| Yeah, there is a female fanbase for Visual novels. That's why there are Otome games out there. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Yes, there are plenty of Otome games, but most visual novels are directed to males. And no, it's not awkward. |
| yep atikal-chan |
| I've never heard of Otome games before, although I still am kind of new to visual novels, so that's interesting. The reason I thought it would be awkward was because it seemed strange to imagine a female reading/playing a VN very male-centered like Clannad or Tsukihime, but in retrospect it isn't as strange as I made it out to be. |
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| But i read Clannad and Tsukihime. Although never finished CL... yet~! |
| レッツゴー ED イケイケゴーゴー |
| shant , i know how you feel . i really think atikal is amazing |
| There are also some games aimed at girls, where all characters are male, you know... Now, that's awkward. :P But well, the girls reading VNs are rare, especially outside of Japan, and since only a few games aimed at them were translated, they usually read other stuff. I don't think it's strange at all though. Just like OMA said, I don't put myself in the protagonist's shoes as well, even if that's a guy. I prefer to observe the story from outside, instead of taking part in it. Well, something like that. And VNs with great storylines are enjoyable no matter what is the reader's gender anyway. And personally, I really like female protagonists (even in non-yuri titles), much more than your usual Mr Average fellow at least, that's for sure. ^^ |
| i admire you pabloc |
OneManArmy said: Count me in guisse.I don't put myself in the protagonist's shoes That was what the granny wanted to say. Fuck my english. Pabloc said: And same here as well, i wonder how one of my maids can act like a fag adding a vn with female protagonist to his blacklist.And personally, I really like female protagonists (even in non-yuri titles), much more than your usual Mr Average fellow at least, that's for sure. ^^ |
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OrochiPL said: Must be ducknyan since I don't use my blacklist. Although I don't like the protagonists being female as it makes me feel that I'm either a slut or I'm getting raped. But if the visual novel contains no nudity, I'm completely fine playing as a girl, even if it's an Otome game (though I'm reluctant to it, but it can still be done).Pabloc said: And same here as well, i wonder how one of my maids can act like a fag adding a vn with female protagonist to his blacklist.And personally, I really like female protagonists (even in non-yuri titles), much more than your usual Mr Average fellow at least, that's for sure. ^^ |
| yeah. I've noticed that most VNs are aimed at guys but that dosen't mean female's can't enjoy them as well. I enjoy playing those games (although if there's too much porn and not enough storyline, i get bored.). Otome games are good too. Then there are games that aren't really aimed at either gender, although i can't really think of that many. Currently the only one that comes to mind is Tokyo Alice. :) |
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| /cheer atikal |
| I know some RL girl who play some VN, some of them are also fellow comrade in creating visual novels, so...it's rare, but exist (in 1:20, maybe) Ah, and most of them starting from type moon, if I'm not mistaken. Haven't saw any RL girls who play otoge intensively, from what I see most fujo that I know haven't playing any otoge at al, they seek other mediums. |
| 1:20 ... thats alot you know xD? |
zeroyuki92 said: girls zeroyuki92 said: Type Moon Why am I instantly reminded of Twilight? Vampires suck. |
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| ^ You must be a fag, i'd rather be reminded of Saber, Shiki, Touko, Illya, Rin, Kohaku and rest of T-M girls cast. |
| レッツゴー ED イケイケゴーゴー |
Twilight Vampires WTF? You mixed something up, Twilight has nothing to do with vampires, it's just about some random sparkling fellows. :P |
Pabloc said: That's so right, they just stole the name "vampires" and added it to something so faggy you wouldn't want to even touch it with a stick. Real vampires on the other hand, they're cool as fuck. Ah, and once again am I reminded of the awesomeness of their Masquerade and how well it works. In Twilight on the other hand, they're just faggy people getting hold of one of the stars in Super Mario and are sparkling like there's no tomorrow. As for proof, vampires die in sunlight, these.. creatures don't. Hence they're not vampires.Twilight Vampires WTF? You mixed something up, Twilight has nothing to do with vampires, it's just about some random sparkling fellows. :P |
| Zombies are infinitely cooler than vampires. Well as long as they're not the mainstream "brain eaters" zombies. Who the hell thought that it would be cool/scary if they ate brains? REDICILOUS! EDIT: Right, the symbols still don't work... |
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| Vampires smash legions of zombies before breakfast. They're both dead from the beginning though but won't cooperate because the zombies are so extremely stupid. |
| Well I am a girl and I play visual novels (or eroge) and I know tons of people on twitter who play them too. Some of us play the intended-for-boys ones, others play both guys and girls ones but majority of girls play otome-ge or BL games. In fact I like my visual novels so much I run a blog JUST to do news updates on them: visualnovelaer.wordpress.com feel free to look around. new to the club - yoroshiku! |
| I work at fuwanovel.com a fansite dedicated to serving you fan translated visual novels. |
Aaeru3 said: Well I am a girl and I play visual novels (or eroge) and I know tons of people on twitter who play them too. Some of us play the intended-for-boys ones, others play both guys and girls ones but majority of girls play otome-ge or BL games. In fact I like my visual novels so much I run a blog JUST to do news updates on them: visualnovelaer.wordpress.com feel free to look around. new to the club - yoroshiku! I always had the impression that you were a male, but when thinking of it, what does gender matter really? You enjoy the same things as I do and that's all that's relevant. Also, I liked your interview session with a lot of people/groups you had a while back. And while we're on topic, is there any visual novels that aren't really aimed towards any gender? (It'll probably be without anything sexual and not focus on any romance). I do know of 999 (for DS) and from what I've heard, Ever17 might fit in that category as well. But are there any more? |
| Oh yeah, i visit your blog from time to time, Aeru3. If i were to guess i think i'd also say you were male though. Azathoth said: Count me in for that request.And while we're on topic, is there any visual novels that aren't really aimed towards any gender? (It'll probably be without anything sexual and not focus on any romance). I do know of 999 (for DS) and from what I've heard, Ever17 might fit in that category as well. But are there any more? |
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| It's arguable but I find Planetarian to be one of the genderless as well. All in all, it's a story of overcoming the impossible. Well maybe not genderless but in my opinion both genders could enjoy the piece equally. Not that I have any way of knowing that for sure. |
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| There are some doujin VNs that aren't aimed at any gender, like pretty much romance-free Narcissu (especially Side 2nd), mentioned by Atikal Tokyo Alice and some short ones. From the larger titles, maybe Umineko? Arguably, there's Moon. too, with not much romance to speak of, and a female protagonist on one hand, and too much nasty, dark H on the other, which perhaps makes it equally unsuitable for both genders (still, it's a very interesting VN). Well, it's the individual taste that matters, gender is only secondary anyway. But now that I think about it... Is yuri aimed at girls (female protagonist, usually rather "girly" story) or guys (for obvious reasons ;))? If you ask me, I'd say it's not gender-specific - no matter who you are, Yuri is always awesome. :D Oh and hi there Aaeru, the intervievs were interesting, and your guide to learnig Japanese is very useful too. ^^ |
Aaeru3 said: Well I am a girl and I play visual novels (or eroge) and I know tons of people on twitter who play them too. Some of us play the intended-for-boys ones, others play both guys and girls ones but majority of girls play otome-ge or BL games. In fact I like my visual novels so much I run a blog JUST to do news updates on them: visualnovelaer.wordpress.com feel free to look around. new to the club - yoroshiku! woot! another girl! :D |
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Planetarian Look at the description and such, it may very well be a genderless visual novel. And for it to be genderless, it doesn't matter what sex the protagonist is really, just how the story and other characters are. We all know that there are visual novels aimed at males with a female protagonist and vice versa.Well maybe not genderless but in my opinion both genders could enjoy the piece equally. That's exactly what I meant with it though. If both genders enjoy it equally much, then it doesn't favor one gender and is therefore the kind of genderless I was pursuing by asking that question.Narcissu Another one right there. It might be slightly more aimed at males, but that "slightly" is so slight you can ignore it completely. A female friend of mine thought the protagonist was a male until nearly the end where I pointed out a few things that made it sure it was a male (like the use of "he" and similar things, but there were never anything obvious). So yes, Narcissu fits the bill quite well.Umineko? True, I never completed it (but will some day), but from what I've seen so far and heard about it, Umineko is quite genderless as well. Not entirely, but the main focus is elsewhere so any possible favoring towards any gender is drowned in other focuses and events happening.Moon. I'm really not sure about that one, from what I've seen on vndb it's aimed at males. Maybe some females would enjoy it too, but I'd think the "nasty, dark H" as you say is a barrier that makes it harder to females to enjoy it as much as males could do. But it all depends on what you're used to seeing and what you can tolerate. I wouldn't be surprised if I encounter both males and females who dislike it.Is yuri aimed at girls (female protagonist, usually rather "girly" story) or guys (for obvious reasons ;))? Males obviously. Would you say that yaoi is aimed towards males? I wouldn't think so. Yuri is created for males and yaoi is created for females. If you like the other one it's up to each individual, but most people of your gender would disapprove of your choice. |
| i enjoy playing Yuri, Yaoi, Hentai and normal games. To me, it all depends on storyline. :) |
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Atikal said: Which I view as a very good thing, but you're quite unique as a girl with that.i enjoy playing Yuri, Yaoi, Hentai and normal games. To me, it all depends on storyline. :) |
Azathoth said: Atikal said: Which I view as a very good thing, but you're quite unique as a girl with that.i enjoy playing Yuri, Yaoi, Hentai and normal games. To me, it all depends on storyline. :) What makes you think that? From the data I've accumulated over the years I'd say females in general are more open minded and don't mind homosexuality as much as the males do. Most of the females reading visual novels, like Atikal, seem to read all kinds of genres. At least in the Western world. Males on the other hand tend to be more close-minded, brushing off the love between two of their own as "disgusting". |
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I wouldn't be surprised if I encounter both males and females who dislike it. That's exactly the kind of genderlessness I had in mind. :PMales obviously. It's not that obvious to me. A lot of yuri titles I have seen were concentrated on girl's everyday lives, stuff like shopping, makeup, romance etc., in other words things that a normal male just wouldn't stand. Try reading my favorite manga for example, the overall "girliness" will probably kill an average guy after a first 2-3 chapters. Well, it's more shoujo-ai than yuri though. It may be true, that titles focused on ero are aimed at males a bit more, but it's still to a different extent than yaoi. See, there are quite a lot of girls who like, or at least don't mind Yuri (at least from those that I know), while the amount of guys tolerating yaoi is at the verge of statistical significance. :PWell, I don't care about what the target audience is anyway. I give everything that's not Bara a try, that way I have more stuff to enjoy. ^^ |
Atikal said: i enjoy playing Yuri, Yaoi, Hentai and normal games. To me, it all depends on storyline. :) It's the same for me. I've never thought the gender matters. In the town I live in it's really rare to meet a girl who plays visual novels of any kind, which had made me worried a bit, but I'm glad I found my way here C: |
| well, there are is a lot of otome games that are produced in japan, and they are actually pretty good, but otome games that are translated by fans or get located by the companies are very few and hard to find. |
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