Gogetters said: Video game, porn. I don't care. If you censored one piece of media and not censor another then it's double standard by my definition. Why do you think people wanted to ban sales of violent video game in US but not violent movies. Also Japan ban child pornography but OK with Loli hentai. See that's double standard, if you don't know what double standard, then I think you need to look it up. They wanted to ban (and still do) violent video games because they think "violent media cause more violence" and because these said people just plain out hate it. As Drunk_Samurai said before.... "Its not a double standard for the lolicon part considering they're not real." Child porn and lolicon are two totally different things which is why lolicon is legal and child porn is not in both Japan and the US (The US can only get you on "obscenity" which it total bullshit) The "obscenity law" is crap and the state should not be able to tell you what you can and cannot have if it doesn't violate other peoples rights.I will agree with you on that. But Japan has other double standard law like the "no decapitation/gore on video game but it's OK for movies to have decapitation/gore". Also I do recall one h-manga that caused an outrage in Japan. Aren't there other H-manga that are outrageous as the one that caused an outrage in Japan. Edit: Please take note of everything you quote and don't let it get out of hand. |
desolatoNov 30, 2010 8:18 AM
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GogettersNov 26, 2010 9:12 PM
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Gogetters said: Every country has double standard laws and everyone knows that. It might be a good idea to ignore everything ezikialrage says... For these kind of threads possibly. I mean the only reason he doesn't even post in them stating how he thinks lolicon is child porn is because he gets pwned every time. Usually by Kaiser or Baman. |
Drunk_Samurai said: gswelcome said: Which is irrelevant. It is still getting off on the images of children. Being fake does not make it acceptable behavior. If you would be outraged at the real thing, than I don't see how anyone can simply shrug on the fictional ones. Honestly, you'd think flat chested girls would be enough, Shana, Taiga, etc instead of Primula but no, people got to have the real thing instead of the faux loli... bah. No they're not. They're getting off of images of drawings. Also it does because if somebody looks at it then they have a lower chance of actually going after real children. Because its quite simple. Since they are just drawings there is nothing morally wrong about it. They are not real therefore nobody is hurt. Drawings of children. There is no way around that. I think I'm going to withdraw from this thread though, I really don't care to continue to debate this matter, or as being put forth by others, on the issue whether children can consent to sex. Might as well try to debate someone from NAMBLA. Later. |
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Drunk_Samurai said: For these kind of threads possibly. I mean the only reason he doesn't even post in them stating how he thinks lolicon is child porn is because he gets pwned every time. Usually by Kaiser or Baman. I believe I have stated many times what the definition of porn and how hentai anime or manga with lolis in it is virtual child porn. You and your fellow closet pedophile friends just choose to ignore what I have said and call me names. Just in case you and your fellow closet pedophile friends forgot what porn is then porn is writings, pictures, films, etc, designed to stimulate sexual excitement.A loli is a drawing of a little girl. According to wikiedia LOLICON IS A JAPANESE PORTMANTEAU OF THE PHRASE LOLITA COMPLEX.IN JAPAN IS A TERM TO DESCRIBE AN ATTRACTION TO UNDERAGE GIRLS. So hentai with lolis in it is virtual child porn. |
ezikialrage said: Your definition is wrong as said many times before. Drunk_Samurai said: For these kind of threads possibly. I mean the only reason he doesn't even post in them stating how he thinks lolicon is child porn is because he gets pwned every time. Usually by Kaiser or Baman. I believe I have stated many times what the definition of porn and how hentai anime or manga with lolis in it is virtual child porn. You and your fellow closet pedophile friends just choose to ignore what I have said and call me names. Just in case you and your fellow closet pedophile friends forgot what porn is then porn is writings, pictures, films, etc, designed to stimulate sexual excitement.A loli is a drawing of a little girl. According to wikiedia LOLICON IS A JAPANESE PORTMANTEAU OF THE PHRASE LOLITA COMPLEX.IN JAPAN IS A TERM TO DESCRIBE AN ATTRACTION TO UNDERAGE GIRLS. So hentai with lolis in it is virtual child porn. Quit looking at the "In Japan" definition and look at "Outside Japan" We are not in Japan.... |
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Gogetters said: ezikialrage said: Your definition is wrong as said many times before. Drunk_Samurai said: For these kind of threads possibly. I mean the only reason he doesn't even post in them stating how he thinks lolicon is child porn is because he gets pwned every time. Usually by Kaiser or Baman. I believe I have stated many times what the definition of porn and how hentai anime or manga with lolis in it is virtual child porn. You and your fellow closet pedophile friends just choose to ignore what I have said and call me names. Just in case you and your fellow closet pedophile friends forgot what porn is then porn is writings, pictures, films, etc, designed to stimulate sexual excitement.A loli is a drawing of a little girl. According to wikiedia LOLICON IS A JAPANESE PORTMANTEAU OF THE PHRASE LOLITA COMPLEX.IN JAPAN IS A TERM TO DESCRIBE AN ATTRACTION TO UNDERAGE GIRLS. So hentai with lolis in it is virtual child porn. . I think the people at merriam webster dictionary know more about the definition for porn than you do.You are going to say a dictionary definition is wrong? Are you kidding me? You expect the definition to somehow be changed because you or some other closet pedophiles do not like the definition? The fact a porn is drawn,computer animated or what ever the hell else instead of live action does not change the fact it is still porn. Quit looking at the "In Japan" definition and look at "Outside Japan" We are not in Japan. Where does loli hentai come from? US,Mexico, China? It comes from Japan and lolita complex means someone with an attraction to little girls regardless of what country you are in. |
ezikialrageNov 27, 2010 1:45 PM
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ezikialrage said: I think the people at merriam webster dictionary know more about the definition for porn than you do.You are going to say a dictionary definition is wrong? Are you kidding me? You expect the definition to somehow be changed because you or some other closet pedophiles do not like the definition? The fact a porn is drawn,computer animated or what ever the hell else instead of live action does not change the fact it is still porn. Yes because dictionaries are magical, not at all written by other people and definitely not more fallible than human beings capable of making distinctions in context and in face of new facts! This naïve, blind, mad faith in the infallibility of dictionaries and the definition as the essence of a word. That faith. Get rid of it. ezikialrage said: So hentai with lolis in it is virtual child porn. If it was, what difference does it make? We are capable of making the simple distinction that attraction to drawn children does not at all imply attraction to real children. (The distinction, if you don't believe this is a fact that doesn't matter, the important part is we are able to make a distinction.) We are capable of making the distinction that the production of lolicon manga does not hurt any real children, while production of real does. These distinctions are what matter, not what you are calling it. What you're calling it is just propaganda, "not child porn!" for those who do not want regulations, "child porn!" for those who do. A struggle not at all concerned with the actual damn facts under consideration, but just a battle about having or not having some very nasty connotations. Entirely appeals to emotion; like the "enhanced interrogation technique" nonsense. Sure there are more or less correct appellations but who cares, those are just distractions. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: ezikialrage said: I think the people at merriam webster dictionary know more about the definition for porn than you do.You are going to say a dictionary definition is wrong? Are you kidding me? You expect the definition to somehow be changed because you or some other closet pedophiles do not like the definition? The fact a porn is drawn,computer animated or what ever the hell else instead of live action does not change the fact it is still porn. Yes because dictionaries are magical, not at all written by other people and definitely not more fallible than human beings capable of making distinctions in context and in face of new facts! This naïve, blind, mad faith in the infallibility of dictionaries and the definition as the essence of a word. That faith. Get rid of it. ezikialrage said: So hentai with lolis in it is virtual child porn. If it was, what difference does it make? We are capable of making the simple distinction that attraction to drawn children does not at all imply attraction to real children. (The distinction, if you don't believe this is a fact that doesn't matter, the important part is we are able to make a distinction.) We are capable of making the distinction that the production of lolicon manga does not hurt any real children, while production of real does. These distinctions are what matter, not what you are calling it. What you're calling it is just propaganda, "not child porn!" for those who do not want regulations, "child porn!" for those who do. A struggle not at all concerned with the actual damn facts under consideration, but just a battle about having or not having some very nasty connotations. Entirely appeals to emotion; like the "enhanced interrogation technique" nonsense. Sure there are more or less correct appellations but who cares, those are just distractions. Arguing that a dictionary definition is wrong or that it is a matter of interpretation or propaganda doesn't work. |
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| exploitation of a child is wrong, the end, if this whole lolicon culture is contributing to that cause then to hell with that, and no one has absolute grounds to say that all lolicon fans are only interested in 2d depictions of their fetishes, if that market is the very foundation to the exploitation of real children modeling for magazines and published nationwide just to satisfy the desires of these men, then that is absolutely not cool, if the market is there, things like child pornography will definitely exist. I understand it is not fair to denominate all lolicon fans, there are many I am sure who finds girls at a legal age with underdeveloped secondary sexual features attractive but we are the cause of far too many fucked up things in this world and none of us is exactly proud of that same goes with this, being a part of that culture which drives such a disgusting market is not exactly cool is it. What I am trying to say is don't be too proud in trying to defend your personal selfish needs or desires, why light a match in a sealed room filled with gas right? compromise to that at least. I think one clear difference between pedophilia and lolicon is that pedophiles are only interested in underage girls and that some lolicon fans maybe just prefer girls at a acceptable age with those features but again you can't speak for all of them. 2d or not, if you are attracted to blondes you are attracted to blondes, sexual desires is too accessible to be separated by 2d or reality so please don't bring up violence game or anything we all can fuck but not all of us can fire a gun and kill a man. |
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superpufferfish said: exploitation of a child is wrong, the end, if this whole lolicon culture is contributing to that cause then to hell with that, and no one has absolute grounds to say that all lolicon fans are only interested in 2d depictions of their fetishes, if that market is the very foundation to the exploitation of real children modeling for magazines and published nationwide just to satisfy the desires of these men, then that is absolutely not cool, if the market is there, things like child pornography will definitely exist. I understand it is not fair to denominate all lolicon fans, there are many I am sure who finds girls at a legal age with underdeveloped secondary sexual features attractive but we are the cause of far too many fucked up things in this world and none of us is exactly proud of that same goes with this, being a part of that culture which drives such a disgusting market is not exactly cool is it. What I am trying to say is don't be too proud in trying to defend your personal selfish needs or desires, why light a match in a sealed room filled with gas right? compromise to that at least. I think one clear difference between pedophilia and lolicon is that pedophiles are only interested in underage girls and that some lolicon fans maybe just prefer girls at a acceptable age with those features but again you can't speak for all of them. 2d or not, if you are attracted to blondes you are attracted to blondes, sexual desires is too accessible to be separated by 2d or reality so please don't bring up violence game or anything we all can fuck but not all of us can fire a gun and kill a man. Source, please. |
superpufferfish said: exploitation of a child is wrong, the end, if this whole lolicon culture is contributing to that cause then to hell with that, and no one has absolute grounds to say that all lolicon fans are only interested in 2d depictions of their fetishes, if that market is the very foundation to the exploitation of real children modeling for magazines and published nationwide just to satisfy the desires of these men, then that is absolutely not cool, if the market is there, things like child pornography will definitely exist. I understand it is not fair to denominate all lolicon fans, there are many I am sure who finds girls at a legal age with underdeveloped secondary sexual features attractive but we are the cause of far too many fucked up things in this world and none of us is exactly proud of that same goes with this, being a part of that culture which drives such a disgusting market is not exactly cool is it. What I am trying to say is don't be too proud in trying to defend your personal selfish needs or desires, why light a match in a sealed room filled with gas right? compromise to that at least. I think one clear difference between pedophilia and lolicon is that pedophiles are only interested in underage girls and that some lolicon fans maybe just prefer girls at a acceptable age with those features but again you can't speak for all of them. 2d or not, if you are attracted to blondes you are attracted to blondes, sexual desires is too accessible to be separated by 2d or reality so please don't bring up violence game or anything we all can fuck but not all of us can fire a gun and kill a man. So are you saying that a guy that has no intention of ever doing anything with a real child should compromise his freedom because there are monsters too? Sorry my friend but freedom can't exist with compromises. Because you make one and then another and then another because it's always fore the "greater good" and before you know it you leave with the Nazi's and gestapo are your neighbors. By that logic everything should be fucking banned because there are monsters too. even the most innocent things can be exploited with dark purpose. A toothpick can kill someone if you decide not to use it for cleaning your teeth and a shampoo can poison someone if we put it in his coffee instead of using it for our hair. We can't live by fear. That's stupid. All the shit that article said was bullshit except the lolita theme that the OP posted. As i understand we talk about real children there right? So since child porn is banned anyway that is allowed because is not child porn. They just make it seem worse because they put it with porn movies something to wonder about considering it's not considered to be porn. What exactly is it anyway? As i see it they should just investigate and see if those children are exploited and decide if those things are some fashion staff or something or they are simply a children soft porn and should included or not in the law. No need for new law or anything but just decide if that can be covered under child porn laws. Of course there is the question, if it's no harm for those children then who cares if some child molester is faping to it. That guy also faps to kids fashion pics and to those beauty contest for kids that are so famous in the US. Should we really care on what every pervert faps to or on things that cause harm? But since this involves real children then i see just as matter of reaching a conclusion if it causes any harm or not and be included in the law. Anyway as about art am completely negative on any abuse of freedom. Sexual desires not being separated about 2D or reality well that only ablies if you are putting your position in the place of the pedophile instead of a not pedophile. And yes everyone can shoot a gun too. A pedophile will most likely like a 2D naked child because he likes real children but not the other way around. You see a normal guy won't start raping children because he liked a 2D pic. The question why should we be prisoners of what a pedophile is thinking or not? That's a sick way of living, before you do anything being force to always think about the worse. That's why men today are afraid to even help a child that lost his mother on the supermarket or cries in the middle of the street. And anyway if the pedophile likes to fap to 2D let him fap. Even a pedophile is not a criminal if he doesn't help in harming any child and all he does is fap to 2D pics. For example this, is a very beautiful art and i don't see why i can't enjoy it because some monster out there likes it too. And lets look at this pics. They are kind of sexy. But how old are that girls? 13-14-16-18? How old? To anime girls have an age? And if they are under 18 are you telling me that am now suddenly a pedophile and i didn't knew about it just because i thought they are kind of sexy? I'm 20+ surely if i had secret desires of fucking little children i would have known about it by now, wouldn't i? You see how your "sexual desires not separated" logic stands only if you already are a pedophile? Should such images not be allowed to exist? Really? They are such a nice art, why shouldn't they? |
MonadNov 30, 2010 10:23 AM
| source? seriously, did you not notice the many 'if' I used? I made the statement based on simple market and demand analysis, if the demand is there the market is open for take. You are relying on sources and facts too conveniently, we tend to do that, accept facts that are convenient to us and simplify it as the truth, don't depend too much on sources, speak your bloody mind, we are human, we observe, we learn, we speak and write, if it makes sense, it is source itself. Are you very sure yourself that the lolicon phenomena has no influence whatsoever on the use of real life child as models in those magazines and dvds? the publishers has no interest in profit at all? source for that please? you know what, fuck it, all I am saying is keep it down a little, like an asian in a foreign country (I am asian btw), you are proud as one but there is no need to scream it out loud on the street because you gain nothing, you have to accept that the world operates that way, there are always minorities. Its cool to have personal interests, I respect that, it makes us unique, doesn't necessary makes us a bad person even if we don't share the same interests but just don't try to win the world over because we all have different views and yours may not be the favourite all the time. @ Monad no, I don't find the pictures entertaining at all, one reason is because I don't tend to get aroused by an animated character, especially if the character is depicted that way, this is my opinion, and I have the freedom to think that way right? cool? so go on and enjoy your fucking freedom you pride so much on or go fire a gun, and kill a man while you are it why not ;) Edit: I'd advise you.. to calm down a little. I am going to say one last thing, it just surprises me how some of you are so deep in your egos and completely neglected how serious the issue is here, its child porn for fuck sake, no idea when the lolicon issue was brought up and things just got defensive from one end and it doesn't exactly compliment the main point presented in this topic and I find it pretty offensive, I may have overreacted a little and I apologize, I am sorry, but really now, know when to set your pride aside because it won't necessarily save the world. Moderator edit: merged all three of your posts. Never do that again. - Chavez. |
ChavezDec 1, 2010 8:10 AM
superpufferfish said: @ Monad no, I don't find the pictures entertaining at all, one reason is because I don't tend to get aroused by an animated character, especially if the character is depicted that way, this is my opinion, and I have the freedom to think that way right? cool? so go on and enjoy your fucking freedom you pride so much on or go fire a gun, and kill a man while you are it why not ;) Who said about needing to get aroused? I don't get aroused when i go to the museum ether but i still like the art. You know not every piece of art has the purpose of making you shake your sausage. The first pictures where an example just of nice art nothing more and the second spoiler of pics where just nice art that's a little sexy. You don't have do get a hard-on. Entertaining and arousing is hardly the terms used for every nice drawing. You ain't watching comedy central here where you can be "entertained". All you have to do find the image to be pretty. Your mind seems a little too sic to me. Hope you are not one of those guys who are so strict and afraid because they know about monsters by looking at the mirror. As we know the people burning others at the stake were worse than those who got burned. Now if you simply don't like the art and all that well fine, no one is gonna force you. You can follow any kind of art you like. I won't try to ban the art you like no matter how arousing you like it. And you can have your opinion too i won't get overly hostile because you have a different opinion. Unlike others who want the world to agree only with them and act accordingly, i live by the motto of "i might not agree with what you say but i will defend your right to say it". superpufferfish said: I am going to say one last thing, it just surprises me how some of you are so deep in your egos and completely neglected how serious the issue is here, its child porn for fuck sake, no idea when the lolicon issue was brought up and things just got defensive from one end and it doesn't exactly compliment the main point presented in this topic and I find it pretty offensive, I may have overreacted a little and I apologize, I am sorry, but really now, know when to set your pride aside because it won't necessarily save the world. How serious is the issue? First if you only care about the DVD's mentioned in the OP and not about the 2D issue at all that was raised by someone during the conversation then you shouldn't bothering on commenting about the art aspect. Yet during your reply to me you only commented on the 2D pics and not about the opinion i had on the DVD's. Now as about the seriousness. No it's hardly serious at all because no one is talking about children locked in rooms getting raped on video. Which is the main reason why child porn is illegal you know. The abused children and all. It's just some teenage girls playing models and making photo-shoots like they do in the west too, so they can get money to buy shit and go home to watch TV, it's just that in this case they collect them on DVD and some choose to put them next to porn movies. So no i will hardly call it a major abuse and a matter of life and death to solve immediately. They ain't being forced to do anything, no one steps on there freedom and certainly no one rapes them. No one here defended real child abuse and pornographic movies with children as main leads in sexual acts. That is illegal anyway and no one has any opinion of making it legal. Now am no fan of whatever exactly this DVD's are about but i will hardly call it an emergency. |
| @Monad dude when did I abuse art here? I am pretty damn sure I emphasize only on the possible catalyst that may encourage the child porn industry, you asked me if I liked your sort of da vinci art I said no, maybe it is unnecessary for me to point out the arousal part but you mentioned 'fap' too many times and honestly I did not bother reading through you statement because it is completely out of context to what I am trying convey so sorry in my part. Now the dvd, those are pubescent kids, its negative exploitation, not a teenage girl modeling for a fashion magazine its directed to specific audiences, porn section, come on, what more do you need to give you an impression? you really think those dvd would pass on the 'art' section? I doubt it would even make it into any mainstream dvd stores. Even if it does not promote actual nudity or abuse as mentioned in the article the fact that such a market still exist may excite more unwanted possibilities in the future, I mean seriously, exploiting kids for that sole purpose, for sexual reason, you keep mentioning, its the same as young fashion models in the states blah blah blah, but you notice the difference? fashion and porn. You can argue ppl can still wank at that but hell they can wank at a cook book if they wish the point is a fashion magazine is a fashion magazine and a cook book is still a bloody cook book now do you realize how stupid you sounded? "collect them on dvd and some choose to put them next to porn movies" in a fucking adult shop? really now? honestly I am just worried about the possible increase in demand for this sort of rubbish, you do realize to some bastards this is a business right? how can you not see the severity in that? this why I am upset, ppl like you, fail to see that, its not exaggeration, its concern and please stop with the freedom and art crap, I enjoy good art, just not your sort of good art. |
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Gogetters said: I have "questionable" lolis on my profile Just saying... Remove that child porn now! |
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superpufferfish said: convoluted wall of text Its unnecessarily hard to try and read your horrible sentence structure and non-paragraphed post but from what I can seem to understand is you think the stuff in the OP's post is a catalyst for more of what it is and you're worried about that? Don't you understand that NO ONE is hurt in any way shape or form by the making and distribution of that stuff? If anything, there are adults and children who are SAVED from stuff like that being on the market..Saves a man, who couldn't get his fixation satisfied, from preying on some little kid to satisfy that need (ruining his life and the kids life in the process) |
| @Kinoholic dude, sorry man, I typed the words right out with no intention of impressing anyone such as yourself so I totally made a fool out of myself for not trying hard enough when it comes to details such as sentence structure and paragraphs, in an anime forum. so what you are saying is, no one got hurt, turn a blind eye? do you have no moral or decency? you will allow your kid to model for such a purpose, because you are the parent you have the right to exploit them, let it be money or simply just your twisted mind. And you are very certain that the man you mentioned, is saved and satisfied simply by those pictures alone, that we men could live with just wank alone and no sex? I know I can't but if it is something you can handle I am bloody impress and truly happy for you. Lets say that man exist, what about all the other men? Mind you, no one is necessarily hurt from distributing actual nude pictures of young children as well, but because no one is hurt, its cool. you can argue that those dvds are just girls in swimsuit, what if it exceeds that? you will hold responsible? you do know that Japan is infamous for their child pornography market right? is the present the only fucking thing you care about? maybe it is cool for you to be so self centered, but for a nation and government they have to see pass the present. Alright screw the future, what about the past? man love to repeat history, and don't give me crap like it was never that serious to begin with there are enough reports to validate that. I am just pointing out the fucking obvious, its a wicked cycle. I mean what form of child exploitation is ever good? perhaps just perhaps you can argue about child labour but that is another thing. And seriously, you guys and your "no one got hurt" to hell with that man, we can't always think that way, there are matters that are intense and need instant precautions because the outcome may not be pleasing. This is not a sport, it is a matter of moral, social and in this case, the whole nation itself, and believe me Japan has been under pressure for many years now regarding this issue. And what about the psychological aspect of the child, they may not know much yet, but they are still growing, you can argue few might not care too much what about those who do? is negative psychological feedback considered as "hurt" to you? These are children we are talking about, if we don't defend them then who will? are they just things to you? that it is okay to use them to satisfy man's greed and desires, I mean we get upset simply by the feeling of being used, maybe that is not a case with you but whatever. |
superpufferfishDec 1, 2010 6:33 AM
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| Since loli and porn exist for a very long time ago ,banning these will cause even more chaos....just like when banned of alcohol you have to understand the government could prevent this...but the question is how and what will be the result? |
MorningGloryDec 1, 2010 6:51 AM
| what the hell, banning porn? who said anything about banning porn? and loli? is it not a culture altogether? with human members, please edify me on how you intend to ban these ppl? and it is child porn not porn we are talking abt here, child porn is never widely spread and has always been a matter of primary concern and a subject of instant eradication, that said it is still under control and it should be. And alcohol? I understand they ban it in many muslim countries due to religious policy and that thailand is trying to ban it but I don't see where it goes from there, but you see don't put child porn in the same category as porn, alcohol or cigarettes, there are too many controversies regarding the three, I will give you 2, it is part of the economy and the demand is too widespread. |
| Moved topic. Also, stop pulling each other's arguments out of context, because that'll eventually lead to a flamewar. And personally, superpufferfish, I think it's getting pretty annoying to have to read the same arguments in your posts over and over. If you don't have the intention to discuss, but rather preach your 'ethics' (if you could even call it that), then I suggest you stop replying here in order to preserve this topic's lifetime. |
| actually I didn't even expected a reply from my random post.... |
| so I am the only one getting this? I have no intention of attacking anyone with a valid argument, but I may have stepped out of the line on few occasions, I did apologize, but I remain firm on how this whole child porn issue should not be taken lightly and its cool ppl disagree but I remain firm, what is wrong with that, they can, and I can't? its a discussion right, an argument? I am not a preacher, and these are not my ethics, but it is an ethical issue, I mean you can see that right? I stick to my point, I did not step out of context too often with art or alcohol or whatever, the title of the topic is on "sickening japanese porn" is it not? I based my discussion on the item presented in the very start of this topic, I may have overreacted on the lolicon thing but I apologized, but yeah If I am seen as a nuisance I am sorry, its cool I will stop. I mean you are the forum moderator, now who wants to upset you right? not me, so yeah. |
| I understand that the society doesn't take lightly on child porn, but what actually is the bad affect if people watch them or what will it affect in our society? because it is unethical and we must stop it? Since the society doesn't take lightly on child porn.People who watch them, usually will lock them self in the room and secretly watch these during night. And they rarely share their fetish openly in the public ....even If they do,I bet they have mental damage from the start before even he/she watch these child porn. and people who hate these will avoid it. I still don't get wat te big problem here, So, showing child porn will increase child rape?...I actually heard some people research that porn in the internet can reduce rape, thou it is based on statistic only... >.> |
MorningGloryDec 1, 2010 9:15 AM
| So every thread is going to be moved to spam now eh....? Bad mods... -.- |
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| it is still chatable .. better than the topic being deleted. It quite weird that these few week, that the mods are a bit active (or maybe over-active)=P |
| @morningglory look I don't think I am allowed to say much, so this will be the last time. Think about the material they have in hand, the source of it, required children right? were those children fit enough to make rational decisions by themselves? is it fair to use them to compliment the mental state of some men? we talk about freedom we talk about rights, but kids are not physically prepared and mentally fit to decide on their own, which is why they deserve extra protection, from us who know better. we were once kids, we know how bloody naive and fragile we were back then. Alright if you disagree I am sorry, I don't think I can say anymore. |
MorningGlory said: Over active yeah...it is still chatable .. better than the topic being deleted. It quite weird that these few week, that the mods are a bit active (or maybe over-active)=P Now it's going to be void of all discussion be spammed with pictures and crap and buried under tons of threads in a few hours... |
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| @superpufferfish yes,children can't make their own decision . The decision is made by the parent,or the parent just doen't care about their own child. Society problem ,economic problem ,outburst of anger on children , hard to solve. end/ |
Gogetters said: So every thread is going to be moved to spam now eh....? Bad mods... -.- Everybody might as well stop posting since every thread is going to be moved whenever somebody disagrees with something somebody says. |
| ^ you have to understand that the exam is near (or maybe they are having an Exam) .I guess they are stressful as well |
| Drawings don't have human rights. |
Sonic_Moronic said: Drawings don't have human rights. Nor emotions or even self awareness. However, this has been brought up before, but some people either disagree, or directly relate lolicon to child molestation without any credible proof of some sort. |
Chavez said: Sonic_Moronic said: Drawings don't have human rights. Nor emotions or even self awareness. However, this has been brought up before, but some people either disagree, or directly relate lolicon to child molestation without any credible proof of some sort. I think their point of view is more that when it isn't clear if one leads to other, it's better to stay on the side of caution. The idea that masturbating over fictional images of children (or in this case, real ones) indicates the type of person who wants to do it "in the flesh" is often combatted with "yeah well violent films don't make people violent, do they?". I think they probably do, but that link isn't good enough to ban them. However, someone masturbating over people being killed on film seems to me to be the kind of person who may be dangerous to society. So I guess the link is a bunch of wankers. |
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skankfish said: Chavez said: Sonic_Moronic said: Drawings don't have human rights. Nor emotions or even self awareness. However, this has been brought up before, but some people either disagree, or directly relate lolicon to child molestation without any credible proof of some sort. I think their point of view is more that when it isn't clear if one leads to other, it's better to stay on the side of caution. The idea that masturbating over fictional images of children (or in this case, real ones) indicates the type of person who wants to do it "in the flesh" is often combatted with "yeah well violent films don't make people violent, do they?". I think they probably do, but that link isn't good enough to ban them. However, someone masturbating over people being killed on film seems to me to be the kind of person who may be dangerous to society. So I guess the link is a bunch of wankers. So by your logic everybody who plays violent video games or watches lolicon is a murderer or a rapist. |
| Drawn children enjoy it, you know. I don't watch hentai where the person is clearly horrified by the experience. Surprise sex, sure. Violent rape? No thanks. |
Sonic_Moronic said: Drawn children enjoy it, you know. I don't watch hentai where the person is clearly horrified by the experience. Surprise sex, sure. Violent rape? No thanks. You'd love guro then. |
| もののあはれ。。。 |
octopuss said: Toddlercon isn't all that good... Lolicon is better...it's better to look at an animated toddler getting turned out than a real one, i daresay |
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