| If someone loads one bullet into a revolver and spins the barrel, then says he's gonna fire at you on the count of 3, if you kill him is it still self-defense? Or does the fact that there's a chance you wouldn't die negate that? If instead the revolver had 100 barrels and still only one bullet would that change things? Or 1000 barrels? |
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| Well, in my opinion it's still self-defense. |
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| It would be self defense since that is an imminent threat to your life. A revolver with a low chance of firing may have a different decision than saying it was self defense. |
| "When clouds appear, wise men put on their cloaks; When great leaves fall, the winter is at hand; When the sun sets, who doth not look for night? Untimely storms make men expect a dearth." William Shakespeare |
| I think what matters is the intent to kill, no matter how low the actual chance. |
| It is proportionate and self-defense. Whereas it would not be self-defense to high kick a 7 years old that was in a martial stance walking towards you without initiating anything. @Zarutaku Depending on jurisdiction and the word of the law, there is a notion of proportion to uphold. |
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Fuck revolvers just quickly grab your all-time favorite PLK and release the entire clip into them... |
EmiliaHoarfrost said: @Zarutaku Depending on jurisdiction and the word of the law, there is a notion of proportion to uphold. What proportion? Intent is a Boolean. |
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EmiliaHoarfrost said:
@Zarutaku Depending on jurisdiction and the word of the law, there is a notion of proportion to uphold.
@Zarutaku Depending on jurisdiction and the word of the law, there is a notion of proportion to uphold.
What proportion? Intent is a Boolean.
| @Zarutaku You can't answer someone that threatens you without any weapon with a gatling. |
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@Zarutaku You can't answer someone that threatens you without any weapon with a gatling.
| @EmiliaHoarfrost I can, it's easily possible to kill someone without a weapon, so if they come at me with the intent to kill me and I can't flee, then I'm gonna make use of that gatling. |
| Is self-defense even if the gun is empty. |
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sasukerr14 said: This situation sounds like it could possibly be missing some context. Are you able to escape in this scenario? Is there a reason why the guy's trying to kill in the first place? Are you the criminal who's committing the huge crime, or is the criminal the person who's threatening you with a gun? I'm guessing you're probably referring to the latter, so in that case, I believe the answer may still vary depending on different self-defense laws. But, if you were to ask me, if that person was threatening me like that, and I don't have anywhere to escape to, then yeah, killing him first would absolutely be self-defense in my book. If he says “on the count of 3” and isn't listening to anything that I'm saying, then that pretty much tells me that there is not enough time to de-escalate the situation; it's the green light for me to pull the trigger on him first. If someone loads one bullet into a revolver and spins the barrel, then says he's gonna fire at you on the count of 3, if you kill him is it still self-defense? sasukerr14 said: Or does the fact that there's a chance you wouldn't die negate that? In my view, it definitely wouldn't negate. You would have to assume that the person isn't playing or joking around. sasukerr14 said: If instead the revolver had 100 barrels and still only one bullet would that change things? Or 1000 barrels? Hmm, so a single bullet inside something like a pepper-box revolver, or just a gun with a large capacity magazine? Yeah, neither would change anything. |
| Here in the U.S., it would be up to the local district attorney to review the case and determine if prosecution is warranted. You may have one D/A who'll review it and say it was completed justified, you had a deadly weapon pointed at you, a threat of violence, and you defended yourself. But you then may have another D/A who'll review it and say deadly force was not justified as there was only a one in six chance of the firearm firing, in addition to having a three second count to when the shot would be fired. Neglected to originally state this, but reading @GinInYourJuice's message reminded me of it. Alot of it comes down to context. And obviously this is a hypothetical situation, I understand that. But with what you have asked, that is the best answer I could give. Cause if you're in the U.S., does the state have and uphold castle doctrine, what is the states stance on firearms, and hell even something like the weather could contribute to the outcome. |
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| @bevarnow, by the time you let someone walk around you even with the not-pointed gun at you ...chances are you'll end up dead while deciding what you should do about it. Bullets are faster than human actions, and the District Attorney can't resurrect the dead. |
| Hmm, now that I think about it, whether you're able to land a shot at him or not in that scenario would depend on a number of different factors, like where you're located, what the environment looks like, how close or far away you are to him, and where your gun is. I think the only way for you to be able to successfully shoot him in three seconds or less would be if your gun is already loaded and ready to shoot, and you're already holding the gun, and if that's the case, I don't think the guy would be thinking of saying “on the count of 3” anymore. The best scenario would be to prevent him from getting that upper hand to begin with. If you don't already have your loaded gun on your hand, and you only have 3 seconds before he shoots, I'm guessing you may have to focus all in on somehow disarming him without getting yourself shot in the process. Depending on where you're located and what the situation looks like, you may have to pull off a 140 IQ type of move lol bevarnow said: Neglected to originally state this, but reading @GinInYourJuice's message reminded me of it. Alot of it comes down to context. And obviously this is a hypothetical situation, I understand that. But with what you have asked, that is the best answer I could give. Cause if you're in the U.S., does the state have and uphold castle doctrine, what is the states stance on firearms, and hell even something like the weather could contribute to the outcome. yep, I agree with this as well 👌 |
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