Moppit said: I don't remember if it was mentioned I'm the anime. Arnold is already taking on a lot of the responsibilities of the emperor as the crown prince. Reason why you don't see the emperor. Arnold's appearance is enough as an acting proxy for his father. I agree with you. Not sure where in the anime it was mentioned, but I remember someone explaining that the Prince was taking care of more responsibility in the kingdom. |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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Moppit said:
I don't remember if it was mentioned I'm the anime. Arnold is already taking on a lot of the responsibilities of the emperor as the crown prince. Reason why you don't see the emperor. Arnold's appearance is enough as an acting proxy for his father.
I don't remember if it was mentioned I'm the anime. Arnold is already taking on a lot of the responsibilities of the emperor as the crown prince. Reason why you don't see the emperor. Arnold's appearance is enough as an acting proxy for his father.
I agree with you. Not sure where in the anime it was mentioned, but I remember someone explaining that the Prince was taking care of more responsibility in the kingdom.
| @ejleon @Moppit That's still no reason to disregard all formalities. The crown prince (who basically runs the country) comes back from an international visit and is suddenly getting married, all these events are happening, and the king and queen don't want to take even one look at the bride? Foreign royalty is visiting and there's no ceremony? Even if Arnold takes care of all their responsibilities, it makes no sense that they haven't appeared at all. I'll be honest, this didn't even occur to me until I read this thread, but it really doesn't make sense. |
Deane said: @ejleon @Moppit That's still no reason to disregard all formalities. The crown prince (who basically runs the country) comes back from an international visit and is suddenly getting married, all these events are happening, and the king and queen don't want to take even one look at the bride? Foreign royalty is visiting and there's no ceremony? Even if Arnold takes care of all their responsibilities, it makes no sense that they haven't appeared at all. I'll be honest, this didn't even occur to me until I read this thread, but it really doesn't make sense. Actually, I disagree with you. What we do know, is that we don’t know why this is happening as it is in this Kingdom, but this doesn’t mean that there isn’t a reason for these circumstances. What if the King is ill and the Queen is by his side, so they are unable to take part in important matters? What if the King & Queen are away on a trip? Whatever the reason is, we know that the responsibility has fallen on the 1st prince to handle such matters in their stead, which is enough. But then the question becomes, is this really important to the anime’s story, and I do not think it is. The anime is about the interactions between the Princes & Rishe, it does not need the King & Queen to be a part of the story. Another point, Anime is not reality or history, so to compare an anime’s story with realistic or historical events / situations (unless it is about history) seems unnecessary and quite stressful, especially since anime logic doesn’t follow realistic logic. You yourself said that you didn’t even think about this aspect before reading the thread, but was it necessary for you to know this while watching the anime? It wasn’t for me and it didn’t take away from the story. |
ejleonMar 29, 2024 3:18 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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Deane said:
@ejleon @Moppit That's still no reason to disregard all formalities. The crown prince (who basically runs the country) comes back from an international visit and is suddenly getting married, all these events are happening, and the king and queen don't want to take even one look at the bride? Foreign royalty is visiting and there's no ceremony? Even if Arnold takes care of all their responsibilities, it makes no sense that they haven't appeared at all.
I'll be honest, this didn't even occur to me until I read this thread, but it really doesn't make sense.
@ejleon @Moppit That's still no reason to disregard all formalities. The crown prince (who basically runs the country) comes back from an international visit and is suddenly getting married, all these events are happening, and the king and queen don't want to take even one look at the bride? Foreign royalty is visiting and there's no ceremony? Even if Arnold takes care of all their responsibilities, it makes no sense that they haven't appeared at all.
I'll be honest, this didn't even occur to me until I read this thread, but it really doesn't make sense.
Actually, I disagree with you.
What we do know, is that we don’t know why this is happening as it is in this Kingdom, but this doesn’t mean that there isn’t a reason for these circumstances.
What if the King is ill and the Queen is by his side, so they are unable to take part in important matters?
What if the King & Queen are away on a trip?
Whatever the reason is, we know that the responsibility has fallen on the 1st prince to handle such matters in their stead, which is enough.
But then the question becomes, is this really important to the anime’s story, and I do not think it is.
The anime is about the interactions between the Princes & Rishe, it does not need the King & Queen to be a part of the story.
Another point, Anime is not reality or history, so to compare an anime’s story with realistic or historical events / situations (unless it is about history) seems unnecessary and quite stressful, especially since anime logic doesn’t follow realistic logic.
You yourself said that you didn’t even think about this aspect before reading the thread, but was it necessary for you to know this while watching the anime?
It wasn’t for me and it didn’t take away from the story.
| @ejleon If the king and/or queen is ill or they're away on a trip we would've been told this at some point. Is it important to the story? Not really, but given that it's a monarchy and the deuteragonist is the crown prince who essentially rules the country by proxy, who's suddenly getting married, it doesn't make sense that the king and queen don't appear at all. Do you think it's impossible to find faults in an anime you've already finished that you didn't think about while watching? While I didn't think about the topic of this thread while watching, in hindsight it really doesn't make sense. For you it didn't take away from the story, but for me after giving it a 5.5/10 I think the story could've benefited from it, because I felt like it ended up being very lackluster. Scenes like the ones @mattzero3 mentioned in his last reply could've made the story less one-dimensional. Edit: And for the record, I'm not bashing you for having a different opinion. I'm just saying that this is a valid criticism and just because it wasn't "needed" doesn't mean the story wouldn't've benefited from it |
DeaneMar 30, 2024 8:24 AM
mattzero3 said: @ejleon thanks in advance as you have made some good possible points. "compare anime's story with realistic or historical event seems unnecessary and quite streesful" your statement above doesn't answer my question. Let me explain Every story must have a template for any genre, for example shoujo anime which has the characteristic that all the men in the story must have handsome faces. Just imagine if a shoujo story had men with ugly bastard faces, big questions would arise, right? That's why I asked, is this a unique template? Likewise, stories that have a royal theme must have a King and Queen who are important characters even though they are not the main characters in the story. I also made several points. If these points are fulfilled, I think the story will be better -at least if the creator made a scene when the king is ill laying on his bed it will make the watchers of anime know for will know the presence of the king and queen -at least if the creator made a scene when the king and queen are away on trip it will make the watchers of anime know for the presence of the king and queen -at least if Arnold's presence is enough to handle all royal responsibilities then the king and queen can at least attend several events organized by Arnold -at least if The King and Queen of Galkhein being present face to face and having a little dialogue is enough for me Don't take it personally, friend, because I'm here purely to discuss things to get answers to my confusion, Peace :) I’m saying what you said is irrelevant, that’s all |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Deane said: @ejleon If the king and/or queen is ill or they're away on a trip we would've been told this at some point. Is it important to the story? Not really, but given that it's a monarchy and the deuteragonist is the crown prince who essentially rules the country by proxy, who's suddenly getting married, it doesn't make sense that the king and queen don't appear at all. Do you think it's impossible to find faults in an anime you've already finished that you didn't think about while watching? While I didn't think about the topic of this thread while watching, in hindsight it really doesn't make sense. For you it didn't take away from the story, but for me after giving it a 5.5/10 I think the story could've benefited from it, because I felt like it ended up being very lackluster. Scenes like the ones @mattzero3 mentioned in his last reply could've made the story less one-dimensional. Edit: And for the record, I'm not bashing you for having a different opinion. I'm just saying that this is a valid criticism and just because it wasn't "needed" doesn't mean the story wouldn't've benefited from it What I’m saying is that people like you make up faults in anime based on reality and history, but that is completely unfair and biased. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| @Deane Their list is blocked, but just check the mean score, and then realize you wasted your time replying. lol |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
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@Deane Their list is blocked, but just check the mean score, and then realize you wasted your time replying. lol
| @LostSpectre Well that explains it haha |
LostSpectre said: @Deane Their list is blocked, but just check the mean score, and then realize you wasted your time replying. lol My list and mean score have absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. All you did was reveal that you are a complete A**. |
ejleonMar 30, 2024 6:27 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
My list and mean score have absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. All he did was reveal that he is a complete A**. You on the other hand, are a mindless gullible sheep following the A**, which is even worse |
ejleonMar 30, 2024 9:47 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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My list and mean score have absolutely nothing to do with this conversation.
All he did was reveal that he is a complete A**.
You on the other hand, are a mindless gullible sheep following the A**, which is even worse
| @ejleon With all due respect, if you have watched 500 animes and your mean score is 9/10 then you're not "appreciating anime as an art," as you say. It just makes sense how you would disregard criticism. But hey I don't wish harm on anyone, so have a nice day (genuinely) |
Deane said: @ejleon With all due respect, if you have watched 500 animes and your mean score is 9/10 then you're not "appreciating anime as an art," as you say. It just makes sense how you would disregard criticism. But hey I don't wish harm on anyone, so have a nice day (genuinely) You failed to show any respect or civility in this last reply. Why didn’t you just ask me about my list being blocked or the reason for my mean score, instead of assuming and then mocking me? I would have explained, or even added you as a friend to see the list if you had asked. You are also changing the subject. This is not about me or my profile stats. My profile is blocked because I have had jerks spam / troll me in mail and making awful comments on my profile page, so I decided to block off my profile from the public for precaution. I have rated anime from (4) Bad to (10) Masterpiece, for new anime I rate each episode, I have also written a couple reviews, along with sharing praise and criticism in the forum a lot, but you can’t tell that from a “Mean Score”, that’s why this assumption is based on bad info. This is also not about me not accepting criticism. I am all for criticism of anime and I often share criticism of anime myself, in fact, I just got through strongly criticizing Eminence In Shadow in another forum page. (Let’s not discuss that in this forum page) You are free to express your own personal opinion as approval or criticism, I’d even argue for your right to do so. If you had criticized the anime for what was actually presented in the story / background / plots / archs / characters / interactions / art & animation / music & sound & voice acting (etc etc etc), I would have understood. But you are raising issues that are not actually about what the anime presented. You are telling us what you believe the anime’s story should of have showed in addition to the story presented. I could agree and say, “Showing a scene with the king and queen in the anime could have cleared up some questions and added context”, but I choose to disagree with you since I did not see a need for it to be shown. Because then the question becomes, is that information really relevant to the story? Seeing a scene or two with the K & Q interacting with the Princes and then giving the 1st Prince power to rule in their stead, but then were right back to where the anime’s story began, with the prince having power. So does this really affect the anime story’s enough to add it? I don’t think it does. That’s all I was saying about the these issues being raised. Lastly, Thank you, I hope you have a good week. |
ejleonMar 31, 2024 12:02 PM
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| There are a lot of things that doesn't make sense here, don't try to find it. Let's start at the beginning. Prince Arnold is trying to slash Rishe with his sword. Rishe has no weapon at the moment. She snatches the sword from the scabbard of a passerby guard. All this bravado about being a great swordsman is bullshit. There's inertia and a lot of other things. You either make a thrust that doesn't hit the target, or it's just a thrust and there are consequences. I've held a sword. I've chopped things up. I know a bit of fencing. More than that. Even if Arnold is so incredibly great at swordsmanship that he could stop a lunge. What was stopping him from opening his mouth and saying, "Hey, you, use a wooden sword. Having a mini duel with a couple of wooden swords?" He didn't even give her a weapon and he stabbed her in the back. Imagine being tested by a boxer who's suspicious of you. I'm sure he'd stop a punch. He's a professional. You're showing your typical generosity at someone else's expense. You're right to take risks for someone else, they're right. The pros are never wrong. This is not a test at all. It's the level of a sick bastard. It's like a test to see if you can swim when you're thrown into a raging torrent. You survive, good for you. Normal people don't do tests like that. It's normal to give her a wooden stick, take a wooden stick and have a mini duel. I'd also like to know exactly how the prince looked after his people. A little specificity? Not how someone says he cares, but a list of specific actions. His little brother employed slum dwellers and worked with the community. A little more about Arnold. Oh, the poor guy's psyche is all messed up. That's an excuse. He almost killed his brother with his stupidity and blindness. He only realised something was wrong when his brother jumped off the roof. Until then he didn't care about him. He didn't care about his well-being. Got a problem? Solve it, wimp. Rishe is at least 40 years old, she's not young, not by a long shot. She's had about 5 lives of 5 years, that's 25, and she didn't start at 0, she started at 20. This is supposed to be a grown woman with a lot of experience in a lot of different areas, who's seen a lot of things. Including war, death and hardship. The author just throws that away. She acts like a very well-read aristocrat sneaking around in a back room. Gunpowder. That it could go bang, they knew, very little. But who knew that there was a substance that could go bang when locked in a small container? Nobody. Historically, the discoverers of gunpowder used it for fun. It burns fast and smoky. Burned down a few barns in the process. They found gunpowder because they were looking for an elixir of immortality for the emperor. Fireworks weren't invented right away either. The first military use was to frighten horses and fire spears. It's just a burst of fire and smoke. That's a leap of a thousand years. It's a 19th century projectile. It's not enough to put a substance in a test tube and get a normal result. Risha, who makes fireworks, must know exactly what to do. She must have a lot of experience, a ready-made solution. Not one that comes to her overnight, but one that's been tried and tested. You have to know exactly what you're doing. Do a series of tests with prototypes. Work out a design and then you get it. You can't call it genius. One more thing. The alchemist is also an arsehole. He stages a terrorist attack that kills a bunch of people. He's relying on what? A red-hot poker up his ass? Bringing gunpowder to a meeting with a prince in his pocket? A few firecrackers? Show a loud bang and say you can make one but big? Light a bunch of them and create a pillar of flame and smoke from a measly handful? Nope. Only terrorist attacks, only hardcore. That's the author's signature. A mountain of pathos and stupidity. Super risks in the middle of nowhere for no reason. This is so-called shock content. The viewer is scared, worried, emotions are running high, the brain is not working... It's okay. It's like that here. Everywhere there's this artificial walking on the edge. Characters choose a stupid and risky way to do something. Kidnap your brother's fiancée? That's great! Jump off a roof? Great! Jump from balcony to balcony? All right! Swap bombs for fireworks and leave it to the passersby? They won't mess it up! Black powder is so safe! And basement jewellers trying to look at gems in the dim light? What the hell are they? And denying the 'unworthy'? It's like those fucking posh Japanese cafes that cherry-pick their customers and build their pathos and elitism on it. I'd like to see a baron trying to turn down a duke with the phrase, "You're not smart enough to wear our pearls". And finally. Rishe, puppy dog eyes and lazy sighs. Prince, prince, prince. I'll fix him. Also, an emperor who doesn't know what's going on in the capital... Alliances, fireworks, sons almost killing each other, his son's future marriage to a noblewoman from a neighbouring country... They're all small things, it seems. How can a ruler of a state not be embarrassed by the fact that the foreign policy of his state is led by a crown prince who doesn't ask the emperor himself and only talks about war? It's a lame anime about pathetic talk, equally pathetic actions... The younger prince is a suicidal emo prince, the older one is a psychopathic bloodthirsty arsehole, Risha is like a golden retriever puppy ready to lick the prince's face for no reason. Their sudden love to the grave is completely incomprehensible. It's just Deus ex machina. |
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