Budget Masterpiece? (Comparison)

Jul 12, 2021 6:21 AM

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Budget depends on projected sales and a bunch of other factors including production costs, any licensing, audio, editing, animators, storyboarding, although animators and such get paid barely anything :(

Budgets in the US usually are insane considering the ability for entertainment in the US to make absolute bank.

Jul 12, 2021 7:16 AM

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Where the Odd Taxi budget info came from?

Jul 12, 2021 8:39 AM

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Yea man american corporations are rich

Jul 12, 2021 10:59 AM

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radicalmac_ said:
Budget depends on projected sales and a bunch of other factors including production costs, any licensing, audio, editing, animators, storyboarding, although animators and such get paid barely anything :(

Budgets in the US usually are insane considering the ability for entertainment in the US to make absolute bank.

So, why can’t anime make bank in the US similar to how US made entertainment does? Businessmen ignorant of the opportunity? Or because consumers expect little-to-no buy-in for anime?

Jul 12, 2021 11:02 AM

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I was just thinking how cheap Japanese production is compared to western.

Just raw and random comparison.

Odd Taxi 13 episodes 1,3 million dollar est.

= budget for est. 1-4 minutes of Love Death + Robots
= budget for est. 10 minutes of Invincible

Imagine if Japanese anime studios have budget 1-10 million per episode and not 50k - 400k.

In the west budget for advertising is larger than whole anime production cost. Which is absolutely insane!

Also if you make great high rated anime you can still go bankrupt.
On other hand live action adaptations of anime makes money even if they fail with adaptation miserably.

I find myself doubting the Invincible budget you pulled given the quality of the animation I saw in trailers. Maybe the gap in pay for animators accounts for that? Idk.

Jul 12, 2021 2:54 PM

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[/quote]
I find myself doubting the Invincible budget you pulled given the quality of the animation I saw in trailers. Maybe the gap in pay for animators accounts for that? Idk.[/quote]

It is very rough estimate 4 mil to 8 mil per episode. It is estimate from what I read on forums + past studio projects, so nothing official.

It is possible that budget for 1 minute fight scene for Invincible is larger than whole production cost of Odd Taxi.
But to be honest some background animations and camera angels when characters talk are better in Odd Taxi.

And yes gap in pay for animators is insane.

recruitment for new animators for 2022 in Japan:
http://izu-fox.com/recruit

180 dollar / month
-live in workplace
-shared toilets
-shared kitchen
-free rice and shampoo

Jul 13, 2021 10:22 AM

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MoneyGambler said:
I was just thinking how cheap Japanese production is compared to western.

Just raw and random comparison.

Odd Taxi 13 episodes 1,3 million dollar est.

= budget for est. 1-4 minutes of Love Death + Robots
= budget for est. 10 minutes of Invincible

Imagine if Japanese anime studios have budget 1-10 million per episode and not 50k - 400k.

In the west budget for advertising is larger than whole anime production cost. Which is absolutely insane!

Also if you make great high rated anime you can still go bankrupt.
On other hand live action adaptations of anime makes money even if they fail with adaptation miserably.

There wouldn't be much affect in shows like odd taxi. The lack of animation worked just fine. It was mainly about suspense, thriller, mystery and character design if I might add.

But yeah, higg budgets will be good. More than that, what would be better for us viewers is that they stop making adaptions like Neverland s1 due to lack of budget for next season.... That's just terrible.

'I have no bonds tying me down. That's why I can see things as they are!!' - Yugami

Jul 13, 2021 10:23 AM

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MoneyGambler said:
I was just thinking how cheap Japanese production is compared to western.

Just raw and random comparison.

Odd Taxi 13 episodes 1,3 million dollar est.

= budget for est. 1-4 minutes of Love Death + Robots
= budget for est. 10 minutes of Invincible

Imagine if Japanese anime studios have budget 1-10 million per episode and not 50k - 400k.

In the west budget for advertising is larger than whole anime production cost. Which is absolutely insane!

Also if you make great high rated anime you can still go bankrupt.
On other hand live action adaptations of anime makes money even if they fail with adaptation miserably.

There wouldn't be much affect in shows like odd taxi. The lack of animation worked just fine. It was mainly about suspense, thriller, mystery and character design if I might add.

But yeah, higg budgets will be good. More than that, what would be better for us viewers is that they stop making adaptions like Neverland s1 due to lack of budget for next season.... That's just terrible.

'I have no bonds tying me down. That's why I can see things as they are!!' - Yugami

Jul 13, 2021 12:52 PM

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Notable to this conversation is the sheer number of adult animation series produced in the West per season compared to Japan alone - Invincible and LDR stand among a *much* smaller number of productions, often using more mainstream-noteworthy voice talent and with higher animation budgets. Anime studios, meanwhile, are churning out dozen of series per season, back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back, with underpaid animators being pushed down to the wire (note last season's "I'm A Spider, So What?" having episodes finished hours before airing and requiring delays to the finale)

the current state of the anime industry is not sustainable, at all

Jul 13, 2021 4:49 PM

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It's different from US tho , and targeted for different audience , the US shows go for all ages including kids , Anime is different , kids don't watch it unless it's shounen ( which is why shounen is always at the top )

But then again , the main reason is that there are tons of animes are being made now , which is no way compared to US shows , Japan makes from 30 to 60 animes every season , how many shows does US make?
Basically , the more animes to exist , the less money everyone make overall.

Feb 4, 2022 7:36 AM

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ghier said:

radicalmac_ said:
Budget depends on projected sales and a bunch of other factors including production costs, any licensing, audio, editing, animators, storyboarding, although animators and such get paid barely anything :(

Budgets in the US usually are insane considering the ability for entertainment in the US to make absolute bank.

So, why can’t anime make bank in the US similar to how US made entertainment does? Businessmen ignorant of the opportunity? Or because consumers expect little-to-no buy-in for anime?

I'm giga-late to this, but the most ways people in the US watch anime is crunchyroll/funimation or third-party sites that just rip it illegally. CR/Funimation barely payout anything to studios for their subscriptions so generally the most money made on anime in the US is from movie productions that air here and Blu-Ray/DVD sales for series, which very few actually buy, and since Odd Taxi itself is an anime original with 1 cour there's no way they'd go balls-to-the-wall on an already limited budget for a series noone had heard of prior. The majority of their money comes from Japanese sales and television airing which is a much smaller scope market.

Feb 4, 2022 7:50 AM

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radicalmac_ said:

ghier said:

So, why can’t anime make bank in the US similar to how US made entertainment does? Businessmen ignorant of the opportunity? Or because consumers expect little-to-no buy-in for anime?

I'm giga-late to this, but the most ways people in the US watch anime is crunchyroll/funimation or third-party sites that just rip it illegally. CR/Funimation barely payout anything to studios for their subscriptions so generally the most money made on anime in the US is from movie productions that air here and Blu-Ray/DVD sales for series, which very few actually buy, and since Odd Taxi itself is an anime original with 1 cour there's no way they'd go balls-to-the-wall on an already limited budget for a series noone had heard of prior. The majority of their money comes from Japanese sales and television airing which is a much smaller scope market.

I can’t even remember the context for this lol. But does CR/Funimation actually pay the studios directly? I would have thought that they just deal with the production committee with whatever license fee they pay being distributed among the producers.

Feb 4, 2022 9:16 AM

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ghier said:

radicalmac_ said:

I'm giga-late to this, but the most ways people in the US watch anime is crunchyroll/funimation or third-party sites that just rip it illegally. CR/Funimation barely payout anything to studios for their subscriptions so generally the most money made on anime in the US is from movie productions that air here and Blu-Ray/DVD sales for series, which very few actually buy, and since Odd Taxi itself is an anime original with 1 cour there's no way they'd go balls-to-the-wall on an already limited budget for a series noone had heard of prior. The majority of their money comes from Japanese sales and television airing which is a much smaller scope market.

I can’t even remember the context for this lol. But does CR/Funimation actually pay the studios directly? I would have thought that they just deal with the production committee with whatever license fee they pay being distributed among the producers.

Directly, i'm unsure, but what they pay them isn't much. And crunchyroll for instance takes a massive majority of profits from their streams.

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