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Feb 13, 2021 6:51 PM
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I have never seen any reliable proof pertaining to the above claims despite of being one of the biggest fans of the show. I just see a bunch of stupid folks spread it around online on Twitter, and such derogatory platforms to create chaos, panic and arguments. Where is the source?

I have only read threads in regards to how a MAPPA staff member addressed them receiving excess hatred and harassment. (Source)
Although its terrible, its just unavoidable because of the show's growth in popularity and because some people can't convey propitiousness.

However, no-one from the studio, staff or anyone working on the show should be criticized on a pointless, personal level because that's not what they are working for.
We should learn how to criticize the art, not the person making the art. They are doing a good job considering the production conditions, they did better than, arguably any studio(willing) could in the allotted time. Not to mention, they had/have/will have several projects to take care of (though I wished they learnt to accept only a few projects despite their status as a "big studio").

But at the same time, the animation is not "top-tier", definitely not compared to the previous seasons. Nevertheless, I see a lot of people giving baseless criticisms only with the intention of hating, causing discomfort and also triggering flow of false rumors in the community. The fandom was never this bad, not that I remember. As a show grows in popularity, such type of audience being involved is inevitable.

These people are not even "fans", they are the same type of people you see in the MHA fandom or such. I hate it, but there's not much one can do, it deserves the popularity but we can't filter out the toxic people because they barge in too. Trying to filter them out will get you called a "gatekeeper". They are a minority but very loud, thus grabbing all the attention they seek to achieve.

First comes respect and maturity, which such people forget to adopt. On the other side of the page, some people just overpraise and idolize the studio. Its understandable in the case of JJK but what we are getting in AoT, I'm grateful for it, but it's not what I'd call top-tier but its not "bad" by any means. It is pretty good but not great and consistent;

Criticism is important, people don't realize this while they sweettalk everything out, which is good and encouraging but offering practical and feasible critiques is only for the welfare of the show's productivity in respect to the animation. Both can be done simultaneously in my opinion.

What are your thoughts?
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Feb 13, 2021 7:13 PM
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Yeah they did get death threats but most of those accounts got reported and got locked too.

You're right about criticizing and how people should be allowed to criticize art given that they do not attack the person making the art. A lot of people also hide baseless hate as criticism but there are also people who just sucks mappa's dick.

As people like deg said, praise the staff and not the company.

It may not compare as "top-tier" but there are also many factors that people tend to miss out on. The tight schedule that they are given (which could be due to the fact that they made 9 animes last year and yes it's mappa's fault but not the staff), the harder character designs, covid (it's not an excuse but it's another factor you have to take into account).

What's the point in nitpicking every single scene and over-analyzing everything just to point out some minor mistakes. imo just enjoy the damn thing lol. It is the final season afterall.

Its not like MAL is the best place to talk civil sooo....
Feb 13, 2021 7:18 PM
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I don't follow trends or fashion, I live my life according to my own beliefs and standards, and shit on everybody else who doesn't like it. Therefore, I don't follow events like a few psycho kids threating animators. This is just another boring shit that people use to harass AoT fans and refer to them as the worst community on MAL.
Feb 13, 2021 7:26 PM
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Gofigure said:
I don't follow trends or fashion, I live my life according to my own beliefs and standards, and shit on everybody else who doesn't like it. Therefore, I don't follow events like a few psycho kids threating animators. This is just another boring shit that people use to harass AoT fans and refer to them as the worst community on MAL.


You are right about them using it as an excuse to call AoT the worst fandom. Its just being exaggerated and blown out of proportion with no proper evidences whatsoever. But yeah, it sure is much more chaotic than it ever was, for no good reasons.

The irony is that, even though the "toxic fans" are supposed to be considered bad (and are), the "good fans" aren't doing a good job either. They usually end up exaggerating situations and tweeting shit out. Heck I don't even use Twitter, I just view sources from sites that refer to it. Its as shit as TikTok. The people there are intolerable.

Worst community on MAL? MAL is generally filled with a bunch of shitheads.
Feb 13, 2021 7:43 PM
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Yeah they did get death threats but most of those accounts got reported and got locked too.

You're right about criticizing and how people should be allowed to criticize art given that they do not attack the person making the art. A lot of people also hide baseless hate as criticism but there are also people who just sucks mappa's dick.

As people like deg said, praise the staff and not the company.

It may not compare as "top-tier" but there are also many factors that people tend to miss out on. The tight schedule that they are given (which could be due to the fact that they made 9 animes last year and yes it's mappa's fault but not the staff), the harder character designs, covid (it's not an excuse but it's another factor you have to take into account).

What's the point in nitpicking every single scene and over-analyzing everything just to point out some minor mistakes. imo just enjoy the damn thing lol. It is the final season afterall.

Its not like MAL is the best place to talk civil sooo....


You are right, but at this point, no place is civil enough to discuss such elements without a hater jumping in out of nowhere.

If no studio picked on AoT, it would have stayed with WIT (who are currently working on an anime original with the ReZero author). MAPPA wanted to delay AoT but the Production Committee denied the request (as WIT would be able to work on it next year), but hey, both parties need the cash right? They stuck on to it, I personally think they could have assigned more people from their staff to AoT but maybe they had certain conditions specified, who knows (like an NDA stating budget, etc.)? Would be a different case if the animation studio was from the Production Committee itself.

Both Tetsurō Araki and Arifumi Imai refused to work on AoT S4 alongside MAPPA, who played a major role in AoT's top tier fight animations, basically carried it, especially Imai.
Being left with a tight schedule, MAPPA did well. I applaud the staff for providing us what we have now, they deserve it. If anything, people should be mad at the Production Committee and not MAPPA. Well it was MAPPA's responsibility too, for picking on such a massive project but w/e.

Even while not nitpicking, some frames just look jarring sometimes, not that I mind it but its AoT we are talking about. Some things did disappoint me which were not that tough to achieve tbh, but they are not important anymore because what's done is done. Not everything can go the way I want them to, so the best one can do is lower their expectations.

Feb 13, 2021 7:49 PM
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Hajime_Shiroishi said:
Whether they are true or not, people should not trivialize or disregard them. Remember kyoto animation? The perp shinji aoba?


Yes, but that's a whole different case. These "death threats" were mostly from troll accounts, but yeah disregarding them is not the right thing to do.

I just don't like how it gets titled "AoT Fans send death threats to MAPPA staff." when in reality no actual sane "fan" would drop that low. I think of them as psychopathic haters.
Feb 13, 2021 7:50 PM
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icarusivys said:
dompsterfire said:
Yeah they did get death threats but most of those accounts got reported and got locked too.

You're right about criticizing and how people should be allowed to criticize art given that they do not attack the person making the art. A lot of people also hide baseless hate as criticism but there are also people who just sucks mappa's dick.

As people like deg said, praise the staff and not the company.

It may not compare as "top-tier" but there are also many factors that people tend to miss out on. The tight schedule that they are given (which could be due to the fact that they made 9 animes last year and yes it's mappa's fault but not the staff), the harder character designs, covid (it's not an excuse but it's another factor you have to take into account).

What's the point in nitpicking every single scene and over-analyzing everything just to point out some minor mistakes. imo just enjoy the damn thing lol. It is the final season afterall.

Its not like MAL is the best place to talk civil sooo....


You are right, but at this point, no place is civil enough to discuss such elements without a hater jumping in out of nowhere.

If no studio picked on AoT, it would have stayed with WIT (who are currently working on an anime original with the ReZero author). MAPPA wanted to delay AoT but the Production Committee denied the request (as WIT would be able to work on it next year), but hey, both parties need the cash right? They stuck on to it, I personally think they could have assigned more people from their staff to AoT but maybe they had certain conditions specified, who knows (like an NDA stating budget, etc.)? Would be a different case if the animation studio was from the Production Committee itself.

Both Tetsurō Araki and Arifumi Imai refused to work on AoT S4 alongside MAPPA, who played a major role in AoT's top tier fight animations, basically carried it, especially Imai.
Being left with a tight schedule, MAPPA did well. I applaud the staff for providing us what we have now, they deserve it. If anything, people should be mad at the Production Committee and not MAPPA. Well it was MAPPA's responsibility too, for picking on such a massive project but w/e.

Even while not nitpicking, some frames just look jarring sometimes, not that I mind it but its AoT we are talking about. Some things did disappoint me which were not that tough to achieve tbh, but they are not important anymore because what's done is done. Not everything can go the way I want them to, so the best one can do is lower their expectations.

People tend to treat mappa as this gods that adapted snk in the best possible way and we should be "grateful" for that. I think we should be more relieved than grateful. Even with jarring scenes and sequences it still could have been much worse if it went to a different studio. Could it have been better? of course but its not like wit adapted it perfectly too.

Even Imai did not work on s4 which shows how bad the schedule is. They definitely delivered considering all the things that we mentioned,

As you said, what's done is done.
Feb 13, 2021 7:55 PM
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dompsterfire said:
People tend to treat mappa as this gods that adapted snk in the best possible way and we should be "grateful" for that. I think we should be more relieved than grateful. Even with jarring scenes and sequences it still could have been much worse if it went to a different studio. Could it have been better? of course but its not like wit adapted it perfectly too.

Even Imai did not work on s4 which shows how bad the schedule is. They definitely delivered considering all the things that we mentioned,

As you said, what's done is done.


Exactly, its just the fact that most MAPPA idolizers just happen to attack any sort of criticism against anything, be it minor or major, it just gets a lot of unnecessary hate and responses.

At the end of the day, lets just be happy about it not going to the likes of Studio Deen or J.C. Staff. They would not be able to handle this tight studio. True, it could only be worse. As I said, they arguable did the best any studio willing to accept the project would do.
Feb 13, 2021 10:09 PM
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I Think I Saw Some Dark Comments Lkke

"THE ANIMATION SUCK THEY SHOULD JUST DIE!"

"FUCK YOU MAPPA YOU RUINED AOT NOW IM GONNA KILL YOU!!"

I remember something like that somewhere on twitter, it gave me chills and anger the replies were a lot of defense and A Lot of Idiots Fighting Back

Im Not Sure If Those Are The Words They Said But I Remember There Were like
"im gonna kill you" and "Die".

Sorry if my English is bad,

MAPPA IS A GREAT STUIDO WITH GREAT ANIMATION AND PACING AND OST.
Feb 14, 2021 2:41 AM
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I think this should give some insight:

https://twitter.com/Spytrue/status/1351461729188913153
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I did see a few of such threats, even if now, i can't really just go and find all of 'em, but it must've been a lil serious, especially on weibo I feel, r why even bother coming out to say so? It always happens, and I don't remember any other studio doing this, even after a studio change
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icarusivys said:
Hajime_Shiroishi said:
Whether they are true or not, people should not trivialize or disregard them. Remember kyoto animation? The perp shinji aoba?


Yes, but that's a whole different case. These "death threats" were mostly from troll accounts, but yeah disregarding them is not the right thing to do.

I just don't like how it gets titled "AoT Fans send death threats to MAPPA staff." when in reality no actual sane "fan" would drop that low. I think of them as psychopathic haters.
yes they are, but, just like any other fandom, its always associated with the fandom, no matter what kind of asshole does it. you get it.
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Harsha1314 said:
icarusivys said:


Yes, but that's a whole different case. These "death threats" were mostly from troll accounts, but yeah disregarding them is not the right thing to do.

I just don't like how it gets titled "AoT Fans send death threats to MAPPA staff." when in reality no actual sane "fan" would drop that low. I think of them as psychopathic haters.
yes they are, but, just like any other fandom, its always associated with the fandom, no matter what kind of asshole does it. you get it.


Some idiiot sent an e-mail to the reception and twitter done its job and associated it with AoT fandom, because it makes sense to stir up the studio that makes the anime for your favourite franchise.
Feb 14, 2021 5:00 AM
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dompsterfire said:
Yeah they did get death threats but most of those accounts got reported and got locked too.

You're right about criticizing and how people should be allowed to criticize art given that they do not attack the person making the art. A lot of people also hide baseless hate as criticism but there are also people who just sucks mappa's dick.

As people like deg said, praise the staff and not the company.

It may not compare as "top-tier" but there are also many factors that people tend to miss out on. The tight schedule that they are given (which could be due to the fact that they made 9 animes last year and yes it's mappa's fault but not the staff), the harder character designs, covid (it's not an excuse but it's another factor you have to take into account).

What's the point in nitpicking every single scene and over-analyzing everything just to point out some minor mistakes. imo just enjoy the damn thing lol. It is the final season afterall.

Its not like MAL is the best place to talk civil sooo....


You are right, but at this point, no place is civil enough to discuss such elements without a hater jumping in out of nowhere.

If no studio picked on AoT, it would have stayed with WIT (who are currently working on an anime original with the ReZero author). MAPPA wanted to delay AoT but the Production Committee denied the request (as WIT would be able to work on it next year), but hey, both parties need the cash right? They stuck on to it, I personally think they could have assigned more people from their staff to AoT but maybe they had certain conditions specified, who knows (like an NDA stating budget, etc.)? Would be a different case if the animation studio was from the Production Committee itself.

Both Tetsurō Araki and Arifumi Imai refused to work on AoT S4 alongside MAPPA, who played a major role in AoT's top tier fight animations, basically carried it, especially Imai.
Being left with a tight schedule, MAPPA did well. I applaud the staff for providing us what we have now, they deserve it. If anything, people should be mad at the Production Committee and not MAPPA. Well it was MAPPA's responsibility too, for picking on such a massive project but w/e.

Even while not nitpicking, some frames just look jarring sometimes, not that I mind it but its AoT we are talking about. Some things did disappoint me which were not that tough to achieve tbh, but they are not important anymore because what's done is done. Not everything can go the way I want them to, so the best one can do is lower their expectations.

It was honestly an odd decision by Wit Studio to make an anime original instead of focusing on finishing their Eldorado, gravy train, cash cow bonanza golden goose prime product knowing that the manga was about to end. I believe they ultimately rejected taking that mantle altogether, though. Usually, no other studio would actually reject finishing their best and most popular show, especially if the show is as popular as SnK. The only reason a studio would do that is if they simply lack the workforce or getting a production for a big project is impossible, which is supposedly the case. Apparently the production for the first two seasons were already pretty hasty and chaotic, and season 3 tested the studio limits, hence why it was split into two parts.

It was possible that we wouldn't have even gotten an anime adaptation had MAPPA not agreed to do it. At the very least, it would've taken a ferocious amount of time, and even longer if Wit Studio wasn't part of it. The problem is, the longer we have to wait, the less likely we're getting a continuation.

Imo, the best decision would've been getting both Wit Studio AND MAPPA to work on it to ease the workload. If we're getting a part 2 (and not a movie), I hope Wit at least has a hand on that. At the end of the day, however, i'm finding the Final Season great in the animation department, regardless of its quality comparison to previous seasons. Yes, it has much to desire, but I think Wit set the bar so high that in order to criticize the Final Season so far, you have to be nitpicky.
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dompsterfire said:
Yeah they did get death threats but most of those accounts got reported and got locked too.

You're right about criticizing and how people should be allowed to criticize art given that they do not attack the person making the art. A lot of people also hide baseless hate as criticism but there are also people who just sucks mappa's dick.

As people like deg said, praise the staff and not the company.

It may not compare as "top-tier" but there are also many factors that people tend to miss out on. The tight schedule that they are given (which could be due to the fact that they made 9 animes last year and yes it's mappa's fault but not the staff), the harder character designs, covid (it's not an excuse but it's another factor you have to take into account).

What's the point in nitpicking every single scene and over-analyzing everything just to point out some minor mistakes. imo just enjoy the damn thing lol. It is the final season afterall.

Its not like MAL is the best place to talk civil sooo....
if you praise someone’s hard work it’s still better than makin fun of him and his work, like this isnt even a question your comparison is flawed at this point, but I agree with everything else.
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rabialq said:
dompsterfire said:
Yeah they did get death threats but most of those accounts got reported and got locked too.

You're right about criticizing and how people should be allowed to criticize art given that they do not attack the person making the art. A lot of people also hide baseless hate as criticism but there are also people who just sucks mappa's dick.

As people like deg said, praise the staff and not the company.

It may not compare as "top-tier" but there are also many factors that people tend to miss out on. The tight schedule that they are given (which could be due to the fact that they made 9 animes last year and yes it's mappa's fault but not the staff), the harder character designs, covid (it's not an excuse but it's another factor you have to take into account).

What's the point in nitpicking every single scene and over-analyzing everything just to point out some minor mistakes. imo just enjoy the damn thing lol. It is the final season afterall.

Its not like MAL is the best place to talk civil sooo....
if you praise someone’s hard work it’s still better than makin fun of him and his work, like this isnt even a question your comparison is flawed at this point, but I agree with everything else.
there's a fine line between making fun of and criticizing. Sometimes you have to crticize in order to improve. Of course praising is still better but you also have to point out their mistakes so that they can gain experience and learn from that.

I'm not only talking about s4 but art in general.

I hope this does not make me look like a hater lol. I love the adaptation of s4. They absolutely deserve the praise that they receive.
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dompsterfire said:
rabialq said:
if you praise someone’s hard work it’s still better than makin fun of him and his work, like this isnt even a question your comparison is flawed at this point, but I agree with everything else.
there's a fine line between making fun of and criticizing. Sometimes you have to crticize in order to improve. Of course praising is still better but you also have to point out their mistakes so that they can gain experience and learn from that.

I'm not only talking about s4 but art in general.

I hope this does not make me look like a hater lol. I love the adaptation of s4. They absolutely deserve the praise that they receive.
dude don’t worry I did get you, I was just pointing out that praising and hatin is not the same, and yes criticism is also necessary, as long as it’s expressed correctly.

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