what do you think of oregairu season 3 ending

A_G_N said:
The purpose of the Yui scenes was to show how pained Hachiman was when he wasnt with Yukino, akd was with Yui, it showed how he cant be without Yukino, his monolgues show that the club was the only way for him to associate with Yukino. But anime cuts everything out, so thats why...

Yui's purpose in the story, tbh, everyone apart from Hachiman and Yukino are just plot devices if you look at it from a different perspective, albeit really really well done plot devices, atleast in the LN it is..

Now if you only like Yui and Iroha, its understandble since s2 glorified them both and made them look ideal to keep up with Yukino who was also really really nerfed to be equal to them, s3 dials back o Iroha a bit, but fully makes Yui scenes glorifed to max level, while cutting and changing Yukino scenes to make her appear less "sweet" atleast 50% of her and Hachiman's stuff was cut, and if Edginess is why you dont like them, thats fine, nobody likes their edgy selves that they had at the beginning, but it was understandable because of their shitty lives and so they created a barrier of edginess and coldess to help protect themselves, the whole point of the series is to make them normal at the end, s2 cut a lot of sweet moments of Hachiman and Yukino, atleast 30% was cut, but the last two eps of s3 which was basically copy pasted from LN, so it wasnt trash, shows how both of them are on the inside, if you dont plan on watching s3 thats fine, but if you wanna know how they are, watch the last two eps, that shows how Yukino is just a simple sweet girl with insecurites too, and how Hachiman is just a normal boy, albeit matured from his edgy self...

h0ll0wxvict0ry said:


I feel like I've been arguing this point with you over multiple threads lol, but ultimately this is the board for the anime and not the LN. Especially since the topic is asking for Season 3's ending and not the LN's ending. Now you already conceded the point that the anime is a bad adaptation so I won't get into to much.

Again, I want to reiterate that I hope even anime onlys saw that Hachiman was going to end up with Yukino. He already shot down Yui multiple times and didn't even have Iroha on his radar. Although in the anime Yukino was a boring character when compared to the other two, Hachiman always had a chemistry and comfort when with her that's not present with the other two. IIRC Yukino is the only one he would actively seek out, while the other two would always have to approach him or ask him for help.

With that said my complaint about the ending, even with the LN's version still stands. Hachiman's treatment of Yui during the bench scene is uncharacteristic unless he truly did not care about their friendship. Rejecting someone you are not romantically interested in is one thing, but implying that he's fine if they stopped associating with each other is just a dickish thing to say. You might be fine with non-Hachiman and Yukino character being plot devices, but how is it okay for Hachiman to treat them as inconveniences that's in the way of him and Yukino? How is this action in line with the person that has consistently self sacrificed for others with no personal gain throughout the series?

Now on the point that he felt helpless throughout the events of S3 in the LN. I mean of course, it's a freaking stressful time. But even then it doesn't change the fact that everything just works out for the best for him and Yukino. In earlier events there were significant consequences to Hachiman's stunts, ranging from him being ostracized by his classmates to falling out with Yukino. What sort of consequences were there in this season? Yukimom was fine about being strongarmed by a high school student, prom 2 was able to happen since everybody else stopped their lives to help them out, and Yui came back to see them in the club. Not a single one of those saw the level of consequence that previously made the series so relatable and realistic.

return30223 said:


Idk from how I see it, even if he is saving her for his own satisfaction I still see it as him saving her. If Hachiman never puts all the effort to help her and run back to her even after she cuts things off nothing would ever get pushed forward. She is never the one to push things forward. Yes she was actively trying to change Hachiman's tendencies in S2 but that's just helping each other because they care about each other, I'm saying actively pursuing him in a romantic aspect. And in S3 yes she now wants to prove that she's independent and can do things on her own, that's understandable. My argument is that she's still being contradictory from telling Hachiman to save her then disappearing and telling him to grant Yuis wish then breaking their relationship, to changing her mind again when Hachiman runs back to her. I see alot of people saying things like she sacrificed her love and all that but sacrifice means nothing if you still take it back. It's like saying "I want you to have this" but then take it back when the person you give it to offers it back. If she was like that she should have never "gave up" anything in the first place. The anime/LN did a bad job convincing me that Yukino deserved to win other than enforcing why their so alike.

A_G_N said:
Wait wait, Hachiman was uncharacterisitc during his rejection with Yui? How so? He does care about her, thats hwy he lets her down gently instead of bluntly rejecting, also the fact that he's not ready to say those words mentally as he is y'know like that, he also does the same with Yukino, indirectly doing it and conveying it at the same time, thats why Hachiman says to not wait for him to Yui, which is a callback to when Yui said that to him in s1, Hachiman does care about her, he does look at her like a friend, but ultimately its Yukino he's after...

And for prom consequences and Yukimom accepting his proposal, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to use the LN card here, cuz anime cut those stuff and downplayed them, Yukimom accepts Hachiman's proposal in s3 ep 8 because of only one reason, her daughter, it wasnt because Hachiman pulled a 200 IQ move, Yukimom knew from the beginning that the 2nd prom was just a sham, but she accepted because this one boy was creating an entire prom just for one person, so she was a bit interested and gave up it because Hachiman was basically begging at that point, now for consequences, what type of consequences shouuld there be tho? He's not self sacrificing, he properly explained to everyone that the 2nd prom was just a sham, its not like he hid that fact, and since he knew Yukimom and even Haruno prob knew this too, it wasnt really a big secret really. Hachiman states he's incredibly lucky to just pull this off, so any bad consequnces cant really be given since Hachiman's learned fom his past mistakes and was open with everybody, so in the end it was their choice to help him.

And for the rest of the prom budget and every other thing, Hachiman properly gives everybody some kind of mutual benefit to had from it, the other school who funded it where gonna be getting equal mutual benefits from helping them, but anime again cuts it out.

All of the plot holes that this season has was just because of bad adaptation, since the LN is still the top 3rd Ln in MAL, that should give an idea that LN didnt really mess anything up and properly explained every plot hole and was done incredibly well...

h0ll0wxvict0ry said:


Think back to some of the things he said to Yui. Remember when talking about Yukino he says with the club closing and him not keeping in touch with people, him and Yukino would eventually stop associating with each other. This also transfers to Yui as without the club they would have no reason to interact with each other. Thus on the bench not only is Hachiman rejecting Yui romantically he is also signaling that he is willing to let their friendship end as well. This is just more salt on the wound and he didn't have to give a whole speech about this when rejecting her. Alternatively it's possible he says this to her as it only applies to Yukino, knowing that Yui will continue to make efforts to be his friend. This essentially translates into "I don't want to date and won't make efforts to be your friend, but if you keep approaching me then maybe we can hang out sometime." Doesn't that come off as douchebaggy to you? Are either of the above scenario what you expect from Hachiman? The worst part is that the 2nd scenario does come to pass. Even after everything Yui was still willing to help him out with the 2nd prom and even returned to visit the club at the end. This is a disappointing turn for her character as despite saying multiple times she is not a "nice girl", she apparently is and her character (along with many other characters) have no resolution in the ending at all.

See part of "Hachiman properly gives everybody some kind of mutual benefit to had from it" is the type of lazy convenience that I dislike in the ending. Hachiman is a smart high school kid, not some super negotiator. If he was then in earlier seasons he should have just "convinced" people not to take stupid actions instead of martyring himself for their sake. Think of all the time and effort that went into making the 1st prom work. It was a single school event hosted on school grounds. Compare this to prom 2, a multi-school event off campus. The amount of logistic and labor involved greatly increases yet he was able to just talk everyone into helping him? If we give him the benefit of the doubt, then at the minimum such a large undertaking would be its own arc. How much of the last volume was dedicated to making prom 2 happen?

h0ll0wxvict0ry said:


Think back to some of the things he said to Yui. Remember when talking about Yukino he says with the club closing and him not keeping in touch with people, him and Yukino would eventually stop associating with each other. This also transfers to Yui as without the club they would have no reason to interact with each other. Thus on the bench not only is Hachiman rejecting Yui romantically he is also signaling that he is willing to let their friendship end as well. This is just more salt on the wound and he didn't have to give a whole speech about this when rejecting her. Alternatively it's possible he says this to her as it only applies to Yukino, knowing that Yui will continue to make efforts to be his friend. This essentially translates into "I don't want to date and won't make efforts to be your friend, but if you keep approaching me then maybe we can hang out sometime." Doesn't that come off as douchebaggy to you? Are either of the above scenario what you expect from Hachiman? The worst part is that the 2nd scenario does come to pass. Even after everything Yui was still willing to help him out with the 2nd prom and even returned to visit the club at the end. This is a disappointing turn for her character as despite saying multiple times she is not a "nice girl", she apparently is and her character (along with many other characters) have no resolution in the ending at all.

See part of "Hachiman properly gives everybody some kind of mutual benefit to had from it" is the type of lazy convenience that I dislike in the ending. Hachiman is a smart high school kid, not some super negotiator. If he was then in earlier seasons he should have just "convinced" people not to take stupid actions instead of martyring himself for their sake. Think of all the time and effort that went into making the 1st prom work. It was a single school event hosted on school grounds. Compare this to prom 2, a multi-school event off campus. The amount of logistic and labor involved greatly increases yet he was able to just talk everyone into helping him? If we give him the benefit of the doubt, then at the minimum such a large undertaking would be its own arc. How much of the last volume was dedicated to making prom 2 happen?

LordLagann said:
Even though it's a departure from the self depriving and scheming Hachiman from the previous seasons I still like it overall. Honestly it might be somewhat of a copout but I think they did the whole destined vanilla couple pretty well. I felt the last couple episodes pulled though enough to make you forget the slower and more drawn out prom planning episodes.

It's a good thing it ended on a more lighthearted note in my opinion. Hachiman couldn't keep up all that edginess forever and if he did it would become tiresome sooner then later.

Tristar_Shinobi said:
Atleast it was better than prom arc lol

A_G_N said:
The last two volumes were dedicated to make the 2nd prom happen, the last vol being the biggest in the series, amd is easily ep 1-9 volumes combined and doubled the length. But anime did a terrible job with it, so nothing can even be explained by me, Hachiman negotiating with people, its only just Tamanawa he negotiates with for the other school, its not really that much of a big move, just simple terms and benefits as much as a president can provide or somethimg that is, its explaimed well and believably in LN, anime doesnt do anything about it..

Now the thing he says to Yukino is only regarding her and him, Yui isnt involved, he states them because they're the only socially awkward people in the group, Yui isnt, if the club ended, Hachiman states that they'll drift apart, because them maintaining that sort of fakeness isnt their forte, they both despise that, but Yukino insists that she'll atleast try because she has to now, but Hachiman stops her because she doesnt have to, Hachiman cant maintain that sort of stuff amd so he conveys his emotions to make her understand..

The club ending will not really stop them from interacting, they've already passed that hurdle, Hachiman meant that he wont be able to maintain that while acting fake towards Yukino, and Yukino vice versa, and thats why he says they'll drift aprat..
Putting salt in Yui's wound.... not really, this is the fourth time she's being indirectly rejected, 1st being on s1 when they go the the festival and Hachiman insists her to pick up the phone because he knew he knew she was about to confess, so he stops her from doing it, indirectly rejecting her, 2nd was during s2 last ep when Yui was proposing her "I'll take it all" plan to Yukino and forcing her to give up on her love(I'll explain this later)Yui "I'll take it all" meant having Hachiman as Bf and Yukino as friend, Hachima rejects this notion of hers by saying Yukino can make her own decisions and forcing her isnt the way, effectively rejecting her again by declini g with Yui's proposal, 3rd is during s3 ep 4 when Hachiman unconsciously and accidently rehects her again when he was conveying his "excuse/desire" of Yukino to Sensei, and 4th was the ep 11 rejection. Most of the pain Yui goes through is just her fault of being persistent after being rejected countless times, Hachiman even rejects her vaguely to avoid causing her more pain in ep 11 rejection. I'll be honest, Hachiman is codependent of Yui, he states it clearly that he uses Yui for his personal gains, using her to motivate/convince other students, he says it in his monologue that he has used Yui for personal gain for the sile purpose of being close to Yukino, the president arc in s2 is also another example. This is ignoring the fact that Yui's love isnt.... pure in the forst place, Yui is in love with the ideal image of Hachiman, the hachiman that saved her dog, this is shown during her monolgies when she states Hachiman as her "hero" and also that he'll always come to save people, like some heroic figure that she's build up in her mind, ofc anything hinting to that is cut in s3, so Yui' love isnt great because she loves an ideal image and was gonna be disspaointed and betrayed when she saw the real hachiman(if they got together that is..)

Now for the "not a nice girl" speech she makes, as much as anime wants to shove that under the rugs, the truth of the matter is she's right, she's done some real selfish shit to get close to Hachiman. Her helping with the 2nd prom was her only way to be close to Hachiman, as she says so herself, not saying that she doesnt want to help Yukino, but ultimately its her wishes she's gonna be putting forward first as the series has shown, this is first shown in s2 ep 13, during their "outing" which Yui invited them on, since 80% of anime only didnt even get what this ep was actually about, I'm gonna put an brief analysis of that ep-

[Analysis of s2 ep 13]
Basically, Yui invited them to an outing to confront their feelings, also an way for her to get close to Hachiman and make Yukino give up on her feelings for Hachiman by showing how close both Hachiman and Yui are.

Yui goes on to say innacurate stuff about Penguins in the aqaurium scene and tries acting cute to Hachiman, Hachiman is indifferent to this. Yukino out of consideration moved away fron them to give them space, but Hachiman follows her right after, seeing that she's failing to get Hachiman's attention once again, she intiates her plan to comfront them head on.

Yui goes on to reminisce about their school life, and the service club and the people involved to both Hachiman and Yukino, Yui after giving her chocolates to Hachiman, starts confronting Yukino, who was contemplating whether to give her own chocolates to Hachiman, and then Yui starts saying she will "take it all" and that Yukino shouldn't worry about their relationship, and that Yui will take care of their stop in their relationship they had and will instead take it in her own direction. By "it" she means, she will have both Hachiman as BF and Yukino as her friend, and so confronts Yukino to not do anything about their relationship.

Yukino starts crying out of helplessness, deciding whether to accept Yui's proposal of giving up on her love or confront it herself, just when Yukino was about to accept Yui's proposal, Hachiman interjects and instead points out to Yui that Yukino can make her own decisions, and that forcing it on her isnt the right way, an indirect rejection by Hachiman to Yui's proposal, meaning an indirect rejection of Yui's love of Hachiman. Yui then says that she knew he would've interjected and stopped her.

Listening to Hachiman, Yukino starts opening up and decides to share her actual wish/goal to both of them, and there the episode ends.

This is what actually happens, anime might make it as vague as possible by cutting Hachiman's monologue which explains it, but if you pay ridiculous attention then people can figure it out, which is a bad way to do things, not treating the audience as dumb is great and all, but some stuff just needs clear explanation and not just theories to go on for..

Now for s3, they've basically cut all if Yui's selfish acts which is what makes her human in the first place amd turned her into ideal nice girl for the sake of what, individual girl merch? I'm sure they thought since Yukino "wins", lets build up Yui like she's the victim, at the same time why not cut all of the scenes where Yukino is being increidbly selfless just so Yui would shine, s3 was basically studio throwing a bone at the Yui fans, and the fans without any sort of doubt took it like a champ(most of the people here)

Its especially laughable when they make love rejection seem like its much more painful than 17 yrs of torment Hachiman and Yukino faced and make Yui seem like the victim in s3, even tho she's the one stopping themm from their friends having happiness after years of torment, Hachiman and Yukino wwre the most suffering this season, but they literally cut evrything that showed their pain, Yukino's insecurity pain, familial pain, seeing her love hanging out with her best friend throught out the season and thinking he prefers Yui, codependency poison that Haruno put in her, her friend trying to mkae her give up on her love which anime stealthily cuts off again.

I know blaming the original novel would seem like the easy option, but its not, something so obviously flawed wouldnt be rated as high as it is in both mal, and other sites, literally every notion majority of anime only have of oregairu and its characterss are in some form wrong, s1 was a good adaptation but sucked in artstyle and animation, s2 was great in that regard but sucked in literally everything else, and Yukino was nerfed to the level of Yui and Iroha, the most beautiful girl in school turned to be on the same level as Yui and Iroha, not to mention the glorification that was s2 for both Yui and Iroha, which inherently made it seem like a harem essentially, from a person who has been analysing anime and novel for 4 yrs, I'll say everything that happens after s1 is an different universe with different characters and different motivations, from the well written characters, they were turned into waifu selling products, and since only a fraction of Yukino's scenes were enough to convey her "waifu'ism", so they cut out a looottt, s1 cut out an entire novel of her scenes because of 13 eps time restraints, s2 cuts 30% of her scenes and almost 80% of Hachiman's thoughts and scenes with her, while cutting only 10% of both Yui and Iroha scenes, s3 is just straight up fanfiction, so here's the general concesus, an anime which had the potential to be the best romcom in anime, cuz LN sure as hell is according to Mal and is the three LN in mal, and had also one of the easiest potential to be an incredibly popular anime like Hyouka, monogatari or Your lie in april or somethng, is instead just above average, with only scrapes of the LN to keep it above average...

Tbf, the oregairu novels is just a glorified love novel for Hachiman and Yukino and them both are just Romeo and Juilet 2.0 as hard as it is to believe from watching the anime. They even cut out great lines like "They are beings ready to go to hell for each other"-Hayama to Haruno in ep 8 of s3(this is one of amny many lines that was cut off) also cut out an entire Romeo and Juliet reference/scene in ep 10 because they were too busy animationg Yui tart making in ep 9 so they didnt have time left, an entire freaking ep wasted when there was only 12 eps this season...

If you really really wanna see what these really well written characters are truly like, I can only offer the LN or even Manga which isnt twisting and changing characters like anime did, if you didnt like the pairing amd have issues with the season, I can understand, since it came out of nowhere and Hachiman confessed like they were deeply in love in anime when anime never showed Hachiman having anything like that...

h0ll0wxvict0ry said:


If the author really dedicated that much time to making prom 2 happen then I can see it working out. However my point about Hachiman's poor treatment of Yui still stand. After all in the end Hachiman nor Yukino approached Yui to reignite their friendship. It's doubtful there is even any friendship to salvage, as those two are now in their own little world and Yui would just be an outsider. Moreover from Yui's perspective this rejection is particularly harsh and final. The first rejection was more like a "wait and see" as Hachiman said he didn't want her to like him just for saving her dog. The 2nd and 3rd were non-jections, with the 2nd being her getting interrupted and 3rd being Hachiman standing up for their friend. Hachiman might have intended for them to be rejections, but with no direct confrontation there is an "out ".

Honestly after speaking with you and looking around online, I may just have been overhyped about the series. Despite all its bells and whistles at the end of the day Oregairu is just another wish fulfillment harem series with a self-insert protagonist. It falls into the classic "unpopular guy joins club with two pretty girls, who end of falling in love with him" that was all the rage in the early 2010's. Granted Hachiman has much more personality than your average harem protagonist. The fact that over the course of the series Hachiman went from social pariah to choosing between two of the prettiest girls at school is just... typical shounen. Because surprise surprise, realistcally girls don't fall hopelessly in love with guys just because they are nice.

return30223 said:


Well I mean having LN expectations going into an anime will disappoint you 99% of the time considering most LN dont put that budget like a series like Re zero or something so you might be better off not watching it if it frustrates you that much.... But yeah idk why your afraid of people judging it based on the anime. It's a good standalone piece of work that would be much more well regarded had LN readers not rained on it. I can tell your quite attached with this series but comon does that last sentence really really matter it's just a fictional story at the end of the day people can love/hate the anime/LN however they want whether they viewed both or only one of them...

A_G_N said:
Well, anime certainly is what you described it as, Light novel really really isnt, I... well, the anime is just your classic typical romcom, you're not the only one who thinks that, lot of readers also think that, they took the Ln and made it into a harem-isque series. I mean, the figues in MAL should be enough, the manga and novel side of mal is critically rated, and oregairu's 3rd top novel, the novel was indeed as complex as writings in monogatari for example, anime oregairu is popular for tue wrong reasons than the one LN showed, trust me this is how the figure goes LN>>>>>>>>>>>Anime, anime basically changed the universe and characters.

The part about Yui is all in the novel, every little doubt and point has been touced in novel, there's really nothing else I can say unfortunately, oregairu anime was a really bad adaptation

h0ll0wxvict0ry said:


Here's the thing. In all three seasons + OVAs there were no anime original scenes. This means everything shown comes from the LN. You can complain about them cutting people's parts, but it's not like the production staff arbitrarily added in scenes that the writer didn't want. My point about it being a harem would still stand. Throughout the series many of the prettiest girls in school became romantically interested in Hachiman. This is the guy that in middle school asked out a girl after talking to her a couple times and at one point went for like six months without talking to a girl that wasn't related to him. Think of it this way: does anyone accuse Tsurezure Children or FMA:B as harem? No, because in those shows different characters have their own love interests and not everyone is trying to get with the protagonist.

A_G_N said:
There may not be anime original scenes except some regarding Yui in s3, but thats the thing, cutting is exactly what made it seem like a harem, the girls that like Hachiman, alteast in LN, are only saki, iroha, yui and Yukino, out of which Iroha is slely interested in Hayama, Hachiman's a side fling for her, she likes Hachiman as a person amd wouldnt mind having him, but is definetly not after him, saki has a crush on him because they are both loners and Hachiman's helped her before, but thats it, she isnt after him, she just blushes when he does something, as for Yui, lets just say her love isnt really that pure as anime makes it to be seen. So as Anime implies it like, basically not showing characters hidden motivations by cutting it made it a harem, and let me assure you, the amount of tweets that the writer made throughtout s3 explaing how "this" or "that" didnt happen the way it did, or was even implied is a lot. The wiriter made sure that only Hachiman and Yukino were possible and literally nobody else could not be with Hachiman, like i said, s2 made it harem by only showing one side of the coin, and glorifying that side, s1 was the best adaptation out of every season, just by s1, can you say that s1 was harem, s2 amd 3 made it like that, by a studio who specialises in that regard a lot, its so bad to the point that another better studio has to reboot it to actually make people understand that its not a harem, or they have to read the novel to understand...

Anime and LN are two different stories in two different realities, from a person who has been comparing s2 and novel and even s3 for years, tke my word for it, it is not whtever anime shows it like..

return30223 said:

Well I mean having LN expectations going into an anime will disappoint you 99% of the time considering most LN dont put that budget like a series like Re zero or something so you might be better off not watching it if it frustrates you that much.... But yeah idk why your afraid of people judging it based on the anime. It's a good standalone piece of work that would be much more well regarded had LN readers not rained on it. I can tell your quite attached with this series but comon does that last sentence really really matter it's just a fictional story at the end of the day people can love/hate the anime/LN however they want whether they viewed both or only one of them...

h0ll0wxvict0ry said:


Lol dude. The fact that multiple girls ARE interested in Hachiman is what makes it a harem. Doesn't matter if Hachiman is interested in one, none, or all of them. Hell most harem protagonists don't even realize girls are interested in them and think everyone is just friends. This doesn't eliminate them from being harem protagonists.

A_G_N said:
Alright, Iroha cant be counted, she isnt interested in him, she wont mind if he goes after her, but she's not interested in him, so only saki and yui and yukino are left, out of which Yui's was always there to show how the genuine wouldnt work, so its only saki and yukino, amd since saki's not really touched upon a lot, only Yukino was left, thats pretty much it, and its by realisitc reasons too with the girls, Hachiman is an endearing character that is also good looking(except his eyes) so its really not that unbelievable, but it might look like that I guess without those monologues by Hachiman..

h0ll0wxvict0ry said:


Now you are just eliminating girls for arbitrary reasons. Your point on Iroha is especially wrong, in her monologue in the student council room while watching Hachiman and Yukino revealed that she definitely is interested in him. I know you like to cite "I still have a chance with Hayama-senpai", but you really think in a show about people not being genuine Iroha of all people would tell the truth?

A_G_N said:
She was jealous of them, she wanted something like those two had, she was acting jealous for the wrong reasons. Its not Hachiman, its the idea of having something similar to genuine to Iroha. Umm, like I said, anime twists and turms stuff around and excluding those little hints that make people figure it out.

Umm, srry for being persistent I guess, but discussions are important for this series so I wanted to drive home the original point😅

h0ll0wxvict0ry said:


I would have agreed her being jealous just in general if RIGHT BEFORE the student council room scene she didn't ask him to take responsibility for her. Think of this: out of all the guys she knows, why does she choose to have him take her out on a "mock" date?

Also using your method of elimination: Yukino and Hachiman has the same colored hair -> same colored hair might indicate they are related -> can't date your relatives -> Oregairu has no romance.

Also don't worry about being persistent. It's important to stand up for the things you are passionate about. I usually don't bother with arguing with strangers on the internet, but something about this series' ending just doesn't sit right with me. I've been on this site for over 10 years and all of my posts have been made after the S3 finale lol.

A_G_N said:
Hehe, well, forget Iroha then I guess, its believably done romance then, the thing is Hachiman and Yukino have been way too developed in novel to the point of being too in love with each other, so the other pairings dont even matter that much as Hachiman's shakespeare type monologues emphasizing Yukino in literally every scene he meets her is enough to convey it, not counting the fact of their amazing chemistry too. Well, anime's over I guess, so it doesnt really matter a lot now, still I wish they did Hachiman and Yukino right in both s2 and 3, like how Hayama states to Haruno of them as "beings who are ready to go to hell for each other"-ep 8(cut line), that atleast would have made the anime fine..

h0ll0wxvict0ry said:


I'm not questioning Yukino and Hachiman's relationship in the LN. I'm just saying you can't discount the other girls just because Hachiman has his eyes set on his main girl. Throughout the series all those other girls along with Yukino falls for him mostly because he's nice and helps them with things. This is a huge departure from who he is established to be in the beginning of the series. Like I said maybe I'm just getting too old for this type of series and can't suspend my disbelief like before.

A_G_N said:
Cant say its because only he's nice or helps them, Iroha likes Hachiman because he's smart to her, and is equally trashy like her, plus he doesnt act like the other dudes too, so that maybe why, plus the genuine request might have made him more interesting to her, Saki's isnt really stated if she likes him or not, for all we know she just looks at him like a friend, she blushes amd stuff but she blushes with Hina a lot too, so dont know, but if she was, it might not be for helping her, Saki and Hachiman went to the same scholarshil tuition place, so they interact there, plus he's good with Keika too, but again Saki's side is never shown really, Yui's is simple cuz her love is based on Hachiman's ideal image in the first place, the one who saved her dog, she's been building her love on that Hachiman, its clear when she calls him her "hero" or "saviour" in her monologues, and how she belives he will always come to save people, pretty obvious that she loves his ideal persona only..
Yukino's the most easiest one, they're pretty similar amd not similar if you get what I mean, I'll just use Hachiman's explanation of his and Yukino's relationship -

"I was someone who was too twisted, and she was someone who was too honest. To other people, we appeared to have a warped shape. They were just so different they were incompatible but to respect to wha warped them, they were likely the same. Everytime those warped parts clashed, our shapes would gradually change, eventually to the point that they couldn't be undone."

So yeah, no other girl in the series has any interest in him romantically, and since half the girls already mentioned have either somebody else they prefer more(Iroha), one which isnt explained in the first place(Saki) and other whose "love" isnt actual love, its questionable really to call it a harem, unless we only count the girls and take nothing else into account..

h0ll0wxvict0ry said:


Hmm I think we need to reexamine your definition of harem. It doesn't matter if theres some superficial reasons the girls like him or if he's not interested in them. Would you say that because Kirito is with Asuna he doesn't have a harem? Obviously he does and continue to add to it every arc.

A_G_N said:
Maybe, its not a typical harem is what I mean..

h0ll0wxvict0ry said:


I know you meant Hachiman only tries to go after Yukino which is fine. But this doesn't make the series any less of a harem with all the girls going after him lol. Kirito never tried to go after another girl after getting with Asuna. Despite this SAO is considered THE classic isekai harem series.

A_G_N said:
But they dont go after him, only Yui and Yukino are, liking an person and pursuing them for romantic relationship is different, and only Yui and Yukino have tried that, and Iroha's not chasing after him, she'll accept if he chases her but she's not interested enough to chase after him..

SAO is considered an typical harem because all girls are after him for no reason, and they're even trying to "seduce" him. So thats a classic harem, if Iroha chases after Hachiman, then yes, its a typical harem then..

Syureria said:
Honestly, I'm disappointed

You betrayed my loyalty in worshiping you as a character that I really had no simp and fuck society. But in the end you even have a girlfriends while your loyal followers are still alone by masturbating every night.

I hate you Hachiman, ofc ending too.

Lenanei said:

hahahah

in the end he became popular in high school ... I didn't enjoy the character development

A_G_N said:
But they dont go after him, only Yui and Yukino are, liking an person and pursuing them for romantic relationship is different, and only Yui and Yukino have tried that, and Iroha's not chasing after him, she'll accept if he chases her but she's not interested enough to chase after him..

SAO is considered an typical harem because all girls are after him for no reason, and they're even trying to "seduce" him. So thats a classic harem, if Iroha chases after Hachiman, then yes, its a typical harem then..

FlamingMangos said:


Bro, a lot of people don't consider a show harem if the main character already loves someone and is in a relationship with that person. SAO is exactly that and yet it's always being called a harem. The conclusion to this is that harem all have one thing in common. There's always more than two females that like the MC.

JulianR said:
The Anime went downhill to me (haven't read the novels or manga).

1st Season: Interesting Setting, liked the characters, rivalry between the mc and yukinoshita.

2nd Season: The cast slowly became the guys from the other school trying to sound deep and being overly ambiguous, and finally ending with a cliffhanger.

3rd Season: Lets become a couple as an answer to the previous crappy drama and let's finish the club to pretend to move on, but not really at the end we stay the same.

Hiratsuka & Komachi had the best moments in the series.

AmeyBindra said:
I havnt read the novel, have only watched anime, does the anime cover all the aspects? Or should I read novel before watching season 3?

A_G_N said:
S3 strays very hard from light novel, character points are changed, plot is mishandled, entire scenes are changed, except the last two copy pasted episodes from light novel, everything else is basically fanfiction, so yes, read the novel if you can, if you havent from beginning, highly encourage you to do so cuz s2 also has cut some major stuff out, but last three vols should be fine too..