[Toriyama Class] Power Ranking Committee Winter 2019 Part 2 of 4

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I agree!!! :333

Dororo climbed up, Mob is like... da bomb and there are a few shows just hanging on to their positions. Especially Kemurikusa surprises me, that it's staying in Top 20!

Feb 22, 2019 6:11 AM

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So... Only I think that Dororo is not so great reboot of famous Osamu Tezuka's work? :O
That surprised me a bit.

I'm glad to see BanG Dream! in top20 tho. Well done, Bandoori!

Feb 22, 2019 7:35 AM

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No shows that I watch until 12th place. And then not again until 18th. Brutal.

Feb 22, 2019 7:48 PM

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Fantastic list, aside from some trash shows like Kaguya going way too high, this is a great list, far better than last time.

Feb 23, 2019 5:39 AM

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Tfw "nobody thinks Moja is cute" /s

@Jokobo Honestly, haven't read the original or watched the previous adaptation of it. But it's not bad per se. I like its portrayal of personalities without any indication of what they were meant to be. The only problem would seem to be how it feels rather directionless. We've been told what they're doing but feel no overarching indication of it. You can tell me it's episodic all you like but the "don't show just tell" feel kinda bugs me.

@Bajar Sorry about Endro~! I had to apologise to myself about that as well :') I'm actually surprised that Wataten slipped. I assumed people would like it more now than how it started.

@Yasaal continuing to bully Kaguya with indiscriminate fervor :smirk: Also, you got a grudge against the last list?!?! :yell:

Feb 23, 2019 7:19 AM

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@Akuma-chi I feel like some of the elements from the classic are absent here. A bit of history has been reduced from that "deep" feel, but they're still showing the major motives like the sword that seek blood. That was nice metaphor of former soldiers whose thoughts are still on the battlefield. But still, the one what hurts me the most is the episodic format (this was even in the original). They're going to show that the more human-like Hyakkimaru becomes, the harder for him is to do his "duty". Thats good, but the pacing itself is the problem - too slow, definitely too slow. Feels like Pokemon, but instead of monsters he's gathering his body parts.

Feb 23, 2019 7:38 AM

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@Akuma-chi what?

Feb 23, 2019 10:46 AM

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@Bajar I just meant to say that not enough people like or watch Endro~! But it came out wrong. You were referring to 12th and 18th places so I was talking about them.

Feb 23, 2019 10:52 AM

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@akuma-chi don't worry, I'm used to it. Not enough people like or watch everything on my list.

Feb 23, 2019 4:36 PM

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MisaoAino

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@Akuma-chi I do! And posted it...
As I've been busy and rarely appeared, Akucchi has forgotten about me :weep:

Feb 23, 2019 11:48 PM

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Akuma-chi said:
@Yasaal continuing to bully Kaguya with indiscriminate fervor :smirk: Also, you got a grudge against the last list?!?! :yell:

Can't help it, it's fun to shit on a flawed show people praise as one of the best romances, it's almost hilarious :diaLUL: :nicostare:

Feb 24, 2019 4:26 AM

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@Yasaal Same feeling as me watching how people overrate Dororo/Mob Psycho/Neverland. :D

Feb 24, 2019 4:56 AM

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@Jokobo yeah ikr people actually think anime like Kaguya is better than any of those lmfaoooo XD

Feb 24, 2019 5:11 AM

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@Yasaal Actually it doesn't surprise me rotfl, the three mentioned above are not so good in adapting the original :/ But Mob is doing decent job tho.

Feb 24, 2019 5:14 AM

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@Jokobo Kaguya is the worst at adaptation if all those mentioned shows are compared coz of the painful narration and repetitive animation (both of which are always excused in manga coz it's manga style) but it's copy pasted to anime, it's Shokugeki Season 3 all over again.

As for the story itself it varies based on criteria so that's a different discussion.

Feb 24, 2019 5:27 AM

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@Yasaal Denial. "Painful" narration is actually your subjective POV, don't know why you're feeling that way, experience or just taste, idk. The cringy setup and knowing that it was purposeful is what makes it good and funny. Repetitive animation is VERY common in comedies (whats more, they're much more present in yonkomas), so thats actually nothing new and nothing worth mentioning as bad.

Dororo is cutting part of the deepness of the plot compared for the original and Neverland is bad at presenting the emotion of the characters. Mob is decent, mostly because of Takahiro's job. :D

Feb 24, 2019 5:33 AM

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@Jokobo Pointing out obvious flaws to fans always is a "subjective pov" unless something positive is being said about a show, as a reviewer who deals with such responses it's nothing new to me XD
There's nothing purposeful about a set of cliches held together by a plot device in the form of "oh they're gonna do every other anime romance cliche but here it makes sense because hurr durr they wanna make the other person confess so it's unique and accounted for", I don't see why Kaguya deserves a pass when the only unique thing it has is an excuse of a plot device.

Dororo is actually doing better than the original in that Hyakkimaru doesn't talk (words at least) in the 2019 anime which gives off an air seen in other amazing silent heroes like Link of Legend of Zelda as you know. The only thing going for the original animation was that it was much darker than Dororo 2019 and Hyakkiboy wasn't that good.

Mob is a legend. Got zero qualms with the second season, excellently written characters.

Feb 24, 2019 6:06 AM

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@Yasaal I hope that you're not counting MAL reviews as serious reviews. I was writing reviews for different site (in my native language), but I was checked by a professional editor, so the difference is big enough to notice. The reviews on MAL ale mostly self-claimed and people don't know how to review properly. If I need to read review - I'm doing it on other sites (which are oriented on reviews). But if you're writing reviews for other sites I would be glad to read them.

But back to the topic - I just thinkg that you're just not accustomed with this type of narration (as said earlier, don't know why), so you don't know well what are the purposes of it and where one works and where it doesn't. Thats how I see it. There's nothing about pointing out obvious flaws. Its like people who're Even Gintama was full of that kind of narration, but the length of Gintama was what killed the parody part of it and only the plot part was left.

Feb 24, 2019 6:14 AM

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@Jokobo I mean when people don't have much to say about specific stances they go on a broader criticism like criticism of the whole medium itself (in this case reviews and MAL reviews) so it's hard to take you on your word for it. I'm part of a Metacritic for MAL club where people take these sort of things very seriously and have big names there and good proofreaders too unlike the rookies who write one paragraph gushing and running around (I did this too early on :P)

I'm shocked to know you think I'm not accustomed with this style of narration especially since many comedies have it, and when you're a person like me who's watched pretty much anything comedy it's even harder to believe the criticism I'm being brought up with. Shokugeki no Souma Season 3 showed us why copy pasting manga is a horrible idea coz some things like focusing too much on narration or bad animation (not art) is a flaw regardless if it's a comedy or not, the bad animation isn't excused just because it's a comedy because that bad animation isn't being used in any iconic way and is jusr inherently an obvious flaw.

It always gives me a lot of laughter when I see people complain about Gintama's length because they seem to think any coherent story only deserves to have 12 episodes especially when 12 episode shows make the majority of the list of the people. Length doesn't have to do with comedy if the comedy itself is well established, it's like One Piece the Manga going on for so long with fantastic plot elements at every turn despite being 1000+ chapters and almost touching 100 volumes. Length is a cop out excuse and I'd love to see competent points being put on the table. Side note: Gintama never went all Kaguya like on it's narration since the only narration that happened was a 20 second gag in the earliest episodes after which it stopped.

Feb 24, 2019 6:40 AM

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@Yasaal You can defend everything with your approach of denying all the criticism brought to you. Thats nice, when you're chit-chatting,I guess.

I don't really like to brag about it, but seeing like ~300 shows doesn't mean that you've seen everything. Whats more, I think that even ~1300 shows are insufficient for that. Thats why I'm trying to see even these topics or genres that I'm not accustomed with (mecha bleh) because everything is bound by different rules and it needs to be treated differently.

You're missing the point when you're trying to prove the "All" theory with specific example. Showing one, two or other countable number of shows aren't going to prove anything, when you're claiming that particular approach is a flaw. Maths is a very good logic provider here. :D Whats more, you picked very wrong example of it - Shokugeki, which actually don't know how to present the best of it (but its not that bad in the topic itself...).

Wow, thats over-interpretation. What prompted you to think like that? Nobody has written here that the shorter series are better in any way. The Gintama's length is good for the plot, but not the comedy itself. Thats why the more you're into it, the less well-done comedy you see. And yes, the length is really noticeable aspect for this genre. Thats where the "Don't bite off more than you can chew" idiom shines. You need to be innovative with the ideas and bring new devices to present them in a fresh way. And that was the main reason why I dropped it. Trying to hold it for too long on one concept.

Feb 24, 2019 6:50 AM

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@Jokobo You can go ahead an deny everything just because you personally disagree with it, that's childish and so is understandable.

Sure length isn't the only factor but when people bring up statements like "you're not accustomed to this" they definitely mean you haven't seen enough of this, so best avoid this self contradictory trap.

Unfortunately you seem to be missing the point here, if I hadn't provided a recent example you'd be up in arms going "You didn't provide examples so I call bs on your statement" so duh examples need to be mentioned in proper debate discourse if you didn't know. I'm a huge fan of Shokugeki but unlike being a fanboy I can admit it's faults like bad animation for it's third season.

"over interpretation" maybe I misunderstood what you said and apologies for this particular error on my end but the length of a show has nothing to do with it's quality if that quality is maintained throughout, Gintama didn't slap it's viewers with endless filled like Naruto and all did and instead went it's approach of being a comedy show with serious bits (as everyone should know). And I highly disagree with the notion that the more you're into it the less well done comedy you see, if a show maintains itself well (which it so obviously has) then there's no issue with length, this is why I laugh at people who point out length as a flaw. Gintama throughout it's run of 367 episodes brought about tons of new ideas and parodies and serious arcs too and it's very easy to deny it all in one swoop and drop it for the wrong reasons but hey it's your loss. I watched all 367 episodes and won't ever find a comedy as good as this ever again, how can I say that? It's because I've watched almost all that comedy anime had to offer to me so it's not like I'm missing any big ones except for GTO and Lucky Star both of which are in my PTW.

Feb 24, 2019 7:06 AM

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@Yasaal Thats funny, because you're doing it quite often now...

Nah, because your example didn't bring anything new to this discussion. It didn't show that using narration as the dominant factor or even the repetitive animation (I don't really know what you're trying to say. First you say something about repetitive, then you're talking only about bad animation. These things are distinguishable, so you cannot swap them. Thats why I stick to first vesion of it) is bad approach. This just shows that Shokugeki was very bad at doing that. This is the only conclusion you presented. A good claim is confirmed by general arguments, the more you're going into details, the weaker the statement is. This is also the mathematical approach to discussion which works well.

And yet I think that the quality you mentioned wasn't maintained. The show started to bore me and it wasn't fun for me anymore. That obviously indicates that the quality wasn't maintained. Good show doesn't need any confirmation to continue watching it. Still, I appreciate the plot part of it, but that alone wasn't enough to keep me.

You're quite arrogant here. You're clearly suggesting me that Gintama MUST be praised and everyone who disagrees with that are "obviously" wrong. You should know very well that this approach is very foolish and childish. You're denying the whole idea behind the discussion here... but so be it, I just need to remember that for the future.

@HaXXspetten Don't think that was heavy off-topic, but agree that this must be stopped. :D Sorry for my part of this :teehee:

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Feb 24, 2019 9:55 AM

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*hug noises*

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I don't know why you two insist on escalating this so far and going hella off-topic too but please drop it...

Feb 24, 2019 11:21 AM

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@MisaoAino :blobpat:

Nuuu... that's not true, it's because I already replied to you (although admittedly I didn't make a mention) :hugs: From now on, I'm gonna dedicate my intros just to you :blobaww:

Feb 24, 2019 11:38 AM

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Akuma-chi said:
@MisaoAino :blobpat:

Nuuu... that's not true, it's because I already replied to you (although admittedly I didn't make a mention) :hugs: From now on, I'm gonna dedicate my intros just to you :blobaww:

:blobaww: I feel so flattered *blushes*
:hugs:

Feb 24, 2019 12:22 PM

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