**SPOILERS** Everything Wrong With Gundam 00 Season 2! *SPOILERS*

Turtles_Leader said:
1. Adding a tech is not a plothole. It's sci-fi. plus, since the beams work on GN particle, what so astonishing the guy who worked on GN particle for 200 years find a countermesure in 5 years.
2. how is it a plothole?
3. Last time I rewatched it, I was very attentive to that. He mention a brother once in one discussion with Feldt. plus we see see one memory scene with the 5 plates on the table, IIRC. Also, even if sub say family, he always says his father, mother and sister were killed.
4. Well, ok with this one. But that still not such a big problem. that something possible, family with bad relations.
5. you're totally right on this one.
6. Em, if you're talking about him accepting to be a Gundam Meister, he do it because he is already a member of Katharon, and he is some kind of mole at the beginning. If you talk about being against the government. Well, they kinda had the same story, so it's not impossible they followed a similar way, wanting to change the world.
7. ok with this.
8. Hem, that's not impossible. She saw her whole extended family murdered for no reason. I don't like her evolution neither, but that's still a plausible evolution.
9. Gundam in a nutshell. Never watch wing, the alliance sometime change 3 time under 5 episodes. How? you saw it during the first season. Now, yeah, you may not be a regular gundam viewer.
10. Do you mean the A-Laws? because they're forshadowed at end of season 1, since the conjoint attack, and the moment they recieve the GN Drive Tau. Plus this is a TITANS like organisation, so once again Gundam in a nutshell.
11 and 12. Actually, he only appears when the twin drive is on. It raises consciousness and boost quantum brain waves. I should rewatch it to give decide if it's a plothole or not. But let's say you're right for this one.
13. Don't remember well.
14. Well, It's one of CB supporters. They are the core of CB, they have the money. Without her, I don't how she could have done anything except sit and do nothing.
15. I don't get what you're talking about.
16. As CB always joined their supporters. It's not clearly explained, but it's not a plothole either.
17. ok on this one. On the other hand, we never really went on his background.
18. moderately ok. he is written to be the guy that follow his principes to the end. He freaking kill his father. I don't think the lack of change is a lack of developpment.
19. Ok with this one.
20. same
21. and same.
22. This is not a love story, dude.
23. I think it's more about him putting himself in question, but yeah, you're moderately right.
24. Ok with this one.
25. Well, Aeolia plan was to get human to innovation. Ribbons was a test pilot and an innovade. Obviously he wasn't going to be a master. At that time Ribbons could still follow the plan and not have his own agenda.
26. ok with this one
27. Season 2 also stated quantum brainwaves on humans created by the HLR are joke compared to innovades. But yeah, earth space seems too much. And isn't Ribbons on Celestial Being (the asteroid). The room where he is often seen is there. But it doesn't change, it's a long distance. But maybe with veda. Anyway, even if that's possible, it miss some informations.
28. Naked people in space. Gundam in nutshell.
29. Not really, more like a mix of the two. Which is logical. Nothing to do with gundam, but when Death Note does exactly what you said, nobody has nothing to say against it (for me it's one of the worse problems of DN)
30. ha ha ha ha. I'm with you there. But that was the weird kind of fun.
31. Gundam was never about love. Character that get the girl during the serie are only a handful. and generally it end bad. For the rest, I really liked this part. I don't think it's a plothole. it's sudden, but due to the circumstances, it's not weird.
32. She don't know that.
33. The pills are more tho treat the after effect of her modifications. it's said she was artificially enhanced, and also that was done rapidly, so she had after effects. that could also explain why her brain melted down.
34. ok with this one. Nena should have died in S1. She is useless.
35. don't know which fight you're talking about.
36. she always was but thought the contrary. That's the point of the character, the fact she realise that.
37. True that.
38. well it is different, no? anyway, in gundam, side materials are not canon. only the animated thing are. not the novels, not the mangas. Unicorn wasn't canon before the OVA. Crossbone is still not canon.
39. every time you talk about a fight without context, I'm lost.
40. just now. It was said they had a special link with veda, and could synchronize with it. There is also Tieria reaction when he is cut from it in S1. there are many clues, and this revelation is in the continuation of what we saw until then. It's called a plottwist. Maybe not a good one, but you can't say it's totally out of nowhere.
41. Well it's later shown firing in the other side. So maybe test? anyway, that's more an animation error than a plothole.
42. If I follow where we are, Setsuna can hear them it's because he's the guenine innovator, and innovator is about elevating one's own consciousness and communicating with each other. If you're talking about after he finished his innovation. It's due to the Trans-Am burst, linked to the twin drive, that provoked this phenomenom. It's still ok by Gundam standard (after all the Zeta Gundam takes power from dead people when it's sychronized with a Pure Newtype). Also, Neil voice is a memory, he doesn't talk for real. it's one of his last phrases in S1.
43. not revelant due to point 42.
44. you can also say he merged when he understood he was gonna get shot. But yeah, once again, it's a little too convenient, I'll go with you for that.
45. It's not on the moon, It's on Celestial Being, the asteroid ship. And it's his core that's there. the other thing are terminals. like you can access a server from your pc on the internet. Yeah, we don't get any expaination on the physics of how it's transmitted, but that's often the case in sci-fi. Hyperspace don't need to explain how it's works but only what it does. Same goes for Veda.
46. that's still don't make it a plothole. Plus I liked Feldt, and she deserved to be happy.
47. who are you talking about exactly?
48. because he is the invincible Colasour. (kind of ok, but still, that's a running gag)
49. From the ptolemy. At the begining of S2, Setsuna still uses the Exia, and CB does get it back. What's so weird about the fact they repaired it but didn't use it because his drive was used for the 00 (as the 0 gundam drive). the fact they brought it when the brought everything for the last battle is also not weird : they did also bring the 0 gundam. They just didn't use it yet because the only one that still was able to pilot a gundam was Lasse, and he took the 0 Gundam.
50. Sumeragi send it. What do you think she was talking about when she said "prepare the R2". On the official site, the wrecked Exia from the begining of the season was called the Exia R, for repaired.
51. As I said, they did bring the the gundam to try his drive on the 00. if it was totally destroyed or abandonned, I would agree with you, but here, it went back to CB.
52. No. Celestial being had many base, and none of the Ptolemy members knew about the Celestial Being Ship. No they used another base, maybe displaced so they wouldn't be found. Plus they build the 00 from scratch, since they found the plans inside the guenine GN Drive. So they had a base somewhere, euiped for reparations.
53. Because she failed, and Christina and I forget how he was called died because of that.
54. Self hate. The fact he gave her informations about the joint attack. And Pride, she used him at the time, used him when she felt bad. Sick kind of jealousy. She left him to go back to CB.
55. I think you missed the point. He just let his resentment about her go, that mainly what push him during the whole S2. I still think it's perfectly ok.
56. ok with that
57. Do every MS with a GN drive Tau does that in S2? if yes, it's an error of animation. If no, maybe a new version of the GN Drive Tau.
58. You talk about the epilogue? so for you, 5 years is not enough for creating an alliance, but 5 month time skip to show what happened is too long? It's an epilogue, it's a show about war, of course we need some time to show how thing evolved. Code Geass did the same. It's not useless at all.
59. Kinda agree with you, it's supposed to be a double edged sword. but at the end the second edge of the sword is pretty much not so present. But it's not used that much. and often by both part at the same time. so they both got the same problem.

So in the end, many things are details, not plotholes. Yeah S2 is not as good as S1, but it's not that bad.

Turtles_Leader said:
I'll go come back to some point later, but everytime I say ok with this one, means yeah, it's a problem.

CodeBlazeFate said:
Alright then. You said you're rewatching it right. Care to count every time someone uses TRANS-AM? Never once does anyone suffer repercussions for doing so, but nonetheless, do you think you'll be able to do that?

DepravedMagi said:
OP, how are you able to write walls of text?

CodeBlazeFate said:
One can never underestimate the determination of a passionate autist dissecting media

DepravedMagi said:


OT:
>Allelujah not having screentime
:(

CodeBlazeFate said:
Yea he was one of the better characters and he got fucking shafted this season