Why Asseylum is easily the worst character on the show, by far.

skudoops said:

I honestly am not sure how someone watching this show could come to the conclusion the war wasn't about resources. The first war was explicitly stated to be about resources and the second was indirectly about them.

HandsomeMan said:

Like the latest episode "You are also a part of me." - she tells to Inaho. Since when? There was barely any romance between them at the end of season 1, if you can call it that.

Raisken said:
Well it is hard to tell from time we got to see them together as it is limited per episode, after all this isn't a romance anime. So we can only assume they spent somewhere about 6 months together "off screen time". War started on summer ended on winter (december 2014) as says ep.12.
So if you take this time into account not looking just at "moments per episode" then there would be a reason.

HandsomeMan said:


Are you joking..?
Your "logic" can be applied to every anime or story that ever existed. If all we had to do was "assume" that something happened "behind the curtains" then things like doujinshi and fan-fics can be considered canon.
"We can only assume" is the worst argument I heard. Why don't we just make "assumptions" for every character in this show then, like this is all a story created by the two best friends Inaho and Slaine, who are highschool students on their way to become the top mangaka lmao

KamiCity said:

The reasons for vers to invade earth were because they thought they killed the princess.

Raisken said:

You can assume such things in such genres which aren't romance/ecchi/harem etc. If they added it here then it wouldn't be aldnoah anymore but competition for princess affections anime.

You do not need to adopt such logic like mine, after all I never said it you need to. But the fact is, you can't see them 2gether because of screening time, I on the other hand don't have such problem if i know this isn't romance genre, so I am just trying to find "how could she develop such feelings" without showing it on screen earlier.

shurryy said:

You will never be able to convince anyone with your point of view with that logic though, since it's all based on assumptions.

All your logic serves to do is fill in the plot-holes the creators left unattended, making up excuses for their mistakes.

ANGRY2011 said:

To go slightly further, there isn't anything inherently wrong with preferring Slaine to Inaho, nor is there anything wrong with liking Slaine's actions and criticizing Inaho for what you call "superficial" reasons.

Raisken said:

I never intented to convince someone, but give them a proposal that they can do it like that, after all creators always leave a space to use for our imaginations like open endings, blank spaces between scenes etc.
Like I said before I wasn't planning to change his point of view or convince him I just stated what creators always make use us "imagination".

swn32 said:

Superficial reasons are petty by nature. And slaine's actions are morally reprehensible.

Darklight0303 said:


Oh look. A troll who thinks he can use big words properly.

ANGRY2011 said:


And... so what? Neither of those things make someone's preference wrong.

blackbishop said:
@shurryy
Well, I agree with what @Raisken said. It is not a romance-type show, so it is not obliged to show any romantic progress at all, regardless if we would think of it to be plain wrong, because that's not the focus of the story.

This kind of focus on writing is not uncommon though, shows like Dragon Ball and Naruto did this as far as I remember.

ANGRY2011 said:


And... so what? Neither of those things make someone's preference wrong.

swn32 said:

It's not about one side's preference being correct or wrong. It's about one side being petty and reprehensible. That's all there is to it.

deadoptimist said:


I think it very much is - just look at the OP. The fact that romance isn't the only genre doesn't change the reality that it is on the forefront. Asseylum and her courtiers are everywhere on the promo, and the princess can't die three times already all for the sake of the shipping war.
A.Z is intended to be a popular gybrid of mecha, drama, romance and the fashionable political intrigue (think ASoIF), too bad that it fails at all of them. Btw, if you want to say that there're too few episodes for all of this - they could've easily skipped the mecha of the week and the boring side characters' scenes to gain time for the important stuff.

casiopao said:


Well, LoGH is the best example of politic+drama+romance+space battle+space opera and it is done perfectly there. I just feel that the fact that they only are able to get 12 episode per cour is hurting this series.

It just don't give enough time for the character to grow and end up making many chara under develop which lead to many inconsistencies and many misinformation.T_T

Darklight0303 said:
Wow for once we actually agree on something. Has hell frozen over. It's true that the biggest problem with Aldnoah is the fact that they have a very strict limit to work within which stunts any real world development that could happen. This is something a lot of modern anime suffer from since the standards have shifted to shorter seasons as the years have gone on

casiopao said:
Well, LoGH is the best example of politic+drama+romance+space battle+space opera and it is done perfectly there. I just feel that the fact that they only are able to get 12 episode per cour is hurting this series.

It just don't give enough time for the character to grow and end up making many chara under develop which lead to many inconsistencies and many misinformation.T_T

deadoptimist said:
if you want to say that there're too few episodes for all of this - they could've easily skipped the mecha of the week and the boring side characters' scenes to gain time for the important stuff.

deadoptimist said:

And there is a lot of crap.
They could've cut on the less necessary mecha of the week. The ice kat was unnecessary, the extension of the battle with the three opponents was not justified (nothing happened in between the two parts, no development was given to the counts, etc.). Argyre didn't affect the plot much, though the battle itself was relatively ok. The Maazurek's kat battle could've been done faster.

swn32 said:

Are you actually complaining about mecha battles while watching a mecha anime? If you don't find that entertaining, you really should be watching something else instead of torturing yourself.

swn32 said:

Are you actually complaining about mecha battles while watching a mecha anime? If you don't find that entertaining, you really should be watching something else instead of torturing yourself.

Shiroryu said:

I think he's complaining about the mecha battles involving Inaho because they serve no purpose to the main storyline not because he doesn't like them.

ANGRY2011 said:

He's also probably complaining that the mecha battles aren't interesting, not that all mecha battles are uninteresting. To a large extent this season, I agree with him. The mecha battles are lackluster to me, pretty lights at best and a snoozefest at worst.

swn32 said:

The story is run of the mill. I wouldn't hold them more important than the mecha battles which are the main reason I watch this show.


I find them a lot better than most other mecha shows involving overpowered mecha battles and flashy moves.

Darklight0303 said:


Could not agree more

fst said:
All I'm saying is, #slainedidnothingwrong is a hashtag for a reason.

fst said:
All I'm saying is, #slainedidnothingwrong is a hashtag for a reason.

fst said:
All I'm saying is, #slainedidnothingwrong is a hashtag for a reason.

ANGRY2011 said:


He's also probably complaining that the mecha battles aren't interesting, not that all mecha battles are uninteresting. To a large extent this season, I agree with him. The mecha battles are lackluster to me, pretty lights at best and a snoozefest at worst.

fst said:
Then, what do you guys consider to be good mecha action?

Viktor_Otaku said:


I am quite in the dark here, care to clarify future ?

Viktor_Otaku said:


Break blade if I have to name 1, it combines just the right amount of mecha action and character development.

Darklight0303 said:


Break blade was first a series of movies too though plus it was not anime original but an adaptation. It already had its guidelines pretty much set.

Viktor_Otaku said:


A/Z also had pretty much everything done for it, the background, the setting the factions. And the writers just had to go and ruin everything.

skudoops said:
The princess is a bad character, but I'd argue inaho makes the show worse, while she does not.

Princess is a bad character in the same way the flying girl and inko are. They really have no development and generally have a single purpose throughout the show. Princess is an object that people generally want to possess, inko and flying girl have been the comic relief.

deadoptimist said:
For the sake of discussion I am going to slightly undermine my own argument. There’s this idea going amongst the most enlightened that Asseylum is totally ok, cause she is a strong female character and she doesn’t owe anyone anything. So I’ve been thinking about it a bit.

While I usually support the idea that female characters with their own agenda are beneficial for storytelling and culture in general, I think that Asseylum ultimately falls flat in this regard.

First of all, she doesn’t really reach the level of a character in any sensible way, since she has only a couple of traits and is not rally consistent with her background. He stuttered progression doesn’t help either.

The strength is usually shown by overcoming obstacles. Now, Asseylum can be said to be strong due to her unchanging idea of peace and high social standing, but she doesn’t really overcome things, cause she doesn’t recognize the existence of any of the obstacles or measure her actions with anything. (She is kinda misaligned with the real world.)

And finally she is usually reactive, while males, Slaine, Inaho and Kloncine, act in her stead, leaving to her the role of inspiration (can be performed while braindead and in a tube). When she finally has a chance to act, she finds another partner.

All in all, I’d say that she doesn’t live up to the standard.

Also, while it’s true that she doesn’t have any obligation to pay for anyone’s actions with herself, the viewers usually want to see loyalty rewarded in some way or at least recognized – this is normal. And Slaine showed exceptional loyalty at least during the first season.

Additionally there’re a few problematic moments with her actions:

1 She doesn’t feel bad for deaths of her people. (Btw, a cheap copout of Rayet confirming right away that it was martians who tried to kill her is, well, cheap – she is saved from suspicion towards terrans and the intrigue is played down, cause terrans do have a reason to kill her – it could’ve been a revenge for Heaven’s fall or an attempt to end the Versian dynasty). And, especially jarring, she doesn’t care to find out what happened between her subjects near Tanegashima. It’s also unclear what the writers wanted to achieve with the contrast between her dancing and Slaine being electrocuted.

2 There is a problem with her not letting Slaine explain himself to her directly. It is a common courtesy you’d expect given to someone who had once been her friend. From narrative pov it also would’ve allowed for a powerful scene of disbelief, sadness and growing horror. She bashes him with his words from when he was 12 years old. That does seem as though she can’t see a man past her childhood impression of him as a pet. And when Eddelrittuo notes that he kinda kept her alive at least, she says “huh, maybe you’re right”, which is too lighthearted for seeing a formerly good person supposedly destroyed or perverted (with her involvement, even if involuntary).

3 Also there is a problem with her total disregard for her people’s interests. She acts as a totalitarian leader, since she doesn’t heed anyone’s counsel and puts her people’s interests and even safety lower than her own ideas. This is demonstrated by her continuous announcements of unconditional peace without preparation or agreement of others. Basically she sells her own people for her personal satisfaction of doing what she thinks moral. All while using her power over them, given to her by alien technology.

So she seems as a traitor of her nation, and traitors are usually hated as she is hated by many.

I agree with those who say that it would be nice to see her reaction if terrans refuse the offer of peace since they now have an upper hand and can end the war now and for all.

ManusDomini said:
So, the reason Asseylum is an alright character is that she *is* a benevolent despot. I don't really want a super-democrat; they're boring. Give me someone with ideals who wants them put into practice. Let them fail. Who cares? What's the worst that happens, Vers goes to war?

Viktor_Otaku said:
TBH, she is not the worst character. Every single character in this show sucks royally.

Viktor_Otaku said:
Every single character in this show sucks royally.

Rance-sama said:
It's a shit anime, why even bother bitching about one shitty character anyways?

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:
Let me just post these comments:





To sum it up, she's a princess/queen that doesn't seem to really care about her people, their feelings towards anything, the state of her empire....and, as a result, doesn't seem to really want peace, or at least doesn't know how to even begin.

Yes, Slaine's current goal is to completely annihilate the Earth military, and thus claim it as Vers territory, and in the short term that will lead to a lot of turmoil; during the war, and in the early stages of a Vers controlled Earth. However, in the long run, freely given Aldnoah power for all, plus the abundant resources of Earth does give such a new world many benefits that can only help both Terran, Martians, and the eventual mixed "races" in the long run, in bettering their lives. When the Union defeated the Confederacy, and re-assimilated them into the US, sure it was hard at first, but things eventually settled down, for the most part; no signs of another rebellion. Same with Japan now being allies with the US, after the US completely destroyed their forces in WWII.

Not the ideal plan, I'll give you that, but it's a hell of a lot better, and, yes, more realistic than whatever the hell Asseylum was trying to do.

What the actual hell did she think she was going to accomplish when she strolled down to Earth? You can't create peace on this scale by being nice and friendly. Hell, most periods of peace are AFTER one side has completely defeated the other, and/or forced their complete surrender. She also failed to heed her own council. What if she hadn't sacrificed a lowly Martian peasant for her own safety? She'd be dead, and the Aldnoah power goes with her (this is of course before Lemrina's existence was made known to us).

What did she think she going to accomplish this last episode? Slaine had just told her that he wasn't originally a part of coalition that wanted this war, and, if he wasn't leading the charge, others would take his place. Yet she points her gun at Slaine, and demands that all hostilities be stopped....as if her doing that would've accomplished "peace".

Again, if she's been told everything, then she also knows that her people are now united BECAUSE of Slaine, and this war. She should also know that he plans to make the Aldnoah power free to every one, to destroy the class system. She knows that Slaine, Saazbaum, and Lemrina, have been actually bettering her people....yet she will choose shatter the unity that the Vers have finally managed to attain...for Terrans?

I get she wants peace, but achieving peace, the way she wants to, requires more than her defending the Terrans. As the only viable royal family member, her responsibility, and obligation, should be to leading, and bettering, HER PEOPLE FIRST. Not the Terrans. She doesn't need to declare war, but their livelihood should be an afterthought to her.

If Asseylum actually takes her responsibility as leader seriously, as someone who actually cares about her people, and this war has a less likely chance of happening. The only reason the war started up was because of the Vers monarchy's utter disregard for their citizens, and she disregards hem on a regular basis.

It doesn't help that she's not seen being upset at the sight of Terrans killing her Counts. Yeah, it war, but seeing how she is, you'd think she feel sad, or some guilt, that HER PEOPLE are dying.