Mickdrew said: This has been discussed many times on these forums, and most agree the romance in Fate does come off a little forced. I for one buy their relationship because I think they complement each other well (I can already hear Fai rage typing), but it is clumsily written at times. The natural bond Shirou and Saber share is there, but just isn't focused on enough. Nasu rewriting some parts would be great. I do not think Sber/Shirou is clumsily written. It is just a DIFFERENT kind of romance, thus it even has a very different ending. yes I am ignoring last episode |
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Veldril said: After she got to know Rin for awhile, yes she did cared for Rin. Not as much as Shirou, and if there was a situation that she had to choose one of them, she would choose Shirou. But she still had some feeling and cared for Rin to a certain extent. I know, it was a little sarcastic. True, if there was that kind of situation... I guess she would ignore Rin Edit: Well she kinda did it in the last episode, Shirou was hurt but both him and Rin were in danger and Saber only begs for him to run, so fuck you tsundere |
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CookingPriest said: Mickdrew said: This has been discussed many times on these forums, and most agree the romance in Fate does come off a little forced. I for one buy their relationship because I think they complement each other well (I can already hear Fai rage typing), but it is clumsily written at times. The natural bond Shirou and Saber share is there, but just isn't focused on enough. Nasu rewriting some parts would be great. I do not think Sber/Shirou is clumsily written. It is just a DIFFERENT kind of romance, thus it even has a very different ending. yes I am ignoring last episode I was expecting you to object that Shirou and Saber perfectly complement each other. |
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Mickdrew said: nah SaberXshirou is good rinXshiru is good SakuraX Shirou is....LOLs who are we kidding we all know it was ShirouXKireiCookingPriest said: I do not think Sber/Shirou is clumsily written. It is just a DIFFERENT kind of romance, thus it even has a very different ending. yes I am ignoring last episode I was expecting you to object that Shirou and Saber perfectly complement each other. |
Mickdrew said: CookingPriest said: I do not think Sber/Shirou is clumsily written. It is just a DIFFERENT kind of romance, thus it even has a very different ending. yes I am ignoring last episode I was expecting you to object that Shirou and Saber perfectly complement each other. You are right, Mirror each other is a better term considering they are very similar people with the differences that Saber has a hypocritical wish she consistently fools herself into wanting to achieve, while Shirou has already accepted you cant undo the past and should not. If they could not see themselves in each other, the resolution of fate route would not work. |
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astroprogs said: CookingPriest said: Zero Saber is a cheap stand in for CHIVALRY!~!!! so Urobuchi could whack on idealism being crappy. True, but it's still an aspect of her character. Gen just chose that one character trait and ran with it, while ignoring the other traits. It's still true to her character, and you'll hard pressed to find an OoC moment for her in Zero. Fack no. In no where in FSN is she outright a chivalry fag.The only time I can think of is that time with Sasaki. Yes, it's an aspect of her façade but her main character doesn't rely on chivalry like FZ Saber. |
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Aurioch said: mira-lala said: But that's not the point of her character. Yesh, she's cute an all, but she shouldn't have taken away her mask yet... Fack, I'm not complaining. Moe is mai thang after all. I don't think her mask is taken away. Actually, that was the last chance to show her human side, as I think that's as much characterization as she'll get in UBW TV (thanks you DEEN for ruining Fate route adaptation), considering the shitstorm that will be in the 2nd cour. And they didn't show much now of her non-Servant side, now, did they? - She feels relaxed around Shirou, same as she did with Iri in F/Z - She has great compatibility with both Shirou and Rin, caring for both of them, especially Shirou - She loves good food And that's it... I think. I honestly doubt she'd rush to Kiritsugu's help as she rushed to Shirou when (UBW TV ep6... iirc spoiler) But that's not how it was in the VN. I don't care how it was with Iri. Infact, what happens with Iri would make her not to get attached to anyone there. Unless they will pull her back. They actually do understand each other. Mickdrew said: They really tried to shove chivalry as a theme down our throats. Gen....At least he apologized, lol. To his Saber maid, anyway... |
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mira-lala said: They actually do understand each other. That's why Dark Sakura and Saber Alter get along so well :3 |
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Mickdrew said: mira-lala said: They actually do understand each other. That's why Dark Sakura and Saber Alter get along so well :3 No, really, it actually is. ~.~ That's why she freely helps her. |
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mira-lala said: Fack no. In no where in FSN is she outright a chivalry fag.The only time I can think of is that time with Sasaki. Yes, it's an aspect of her façade but her main character doesn't rely on chivalry like FZ Saber. How do you know it's part of her facade, and not an actual character trait? And i did say that Gen took that aspect and ran with it, didn't i? He overused it and over-saturated Saber's character with it,but he didn't invent it. |
mira-lala said: Mickdrew said: That's why Dark Sakura and Saber Alter get along so well :3 No, really, it actually is. ~.~ That's why she freely helps her. There relationship is....interesting. Not sure if Saber freely helping means much. Explain, pls? |
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AnNobody said: I was with a chat with my friend about Saber's personality in F/SN. He said to me that F/SN(2014) ruined Saber's personality at episode 12 of UBW. He has only saw F/Z and all. I can't really agree with that. To be fair, for an anime-only viewer (or someone who comes from FZ), the scene were Saber starts crying in UBW must seem a bit ridiculous/exaggerated. Ufotable should have started with Fate, not because "the poor Saber fans don't get their romance!!!", but because its absence hurts the other 2 routes. |
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Mickdrew said: mira-lala said: No, really, it actually is. ~.~ That's why she freely helps her. There relationship is....interesting. Not sure if Saber freely helping means much. Explain, pls? In UBW saber says clearly that she and Sakura understand well each other. It's actually a big hint. |
normalpriest said: Mickdrew said: There relationship is....interesting. Not sure if Saber freely helping means much. Explain, pls? In UBW saber says clearly that she and Sakura understand well each other. It's actually a big hint. Yeah I got that. They clearly get along well enough. Just not sure if there's any deep meaning behind it, that's all. |
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astroprogs said: mira-lala said: Fack no. In no where in FSN is she outright a chivalry fag.The only time I can think of is that time with Sasaki. Yes, it's an aspect of her façade but her main character doesn't rely on chivalry like FZ Saber. How do you know it's part of her facade, and not an actual character trait? And i did say that Gen took that aspect and ran with it, didn't i? He overused it and over-saturated Saber's character with it,but he didn't invent it. I didn't say Gen invented it tho. It was there in FSN, not as pronounce, but it was there. The scene with Sasaki, for example. Mickdrew said: There relationship is....interesting. Not sure if Saber freely helping means much. Explain, pls? Well, if you think of Alter's personality, she has no reason to help anyone anymore. Or even want to help anyone. She goes along with Sakura because their despair is similar. Mickdrew said: Yeah I got that. They clearly get along well enough. Just not sure if there's any deep meaning behind it, that's all. Nah, no deep meaning. =3 Well, kinda. |
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Okaishi said: I just think Saber and Shirou's relationship works better as a very solid partnership and friendship, based on mutual respect and understanding. Kinda how I imagine the relationship between Bazett and Lancer would have been. But maybe that's just me. Nah, I've seen a handful of people who've said the same. Ofc, any relationship works for them. |
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Okaishi said: I just think Saber and Shirou's relationship works better as a very solid partnership and friendship, based on mutual respect and understanding. Kinda how I imagine the relationship between Bazett and Lancer would have been. But maybe that's just me. But they DO NOT respect each other. they are too similar for that. Saber hates Shirou's way of no regret and Shirou hates her for trying to undo all those deaths. It is only near the end where Saber understands how wrong it is to want that. Not understands, but accepts it. They are in love with their ideals and they represent that to each other. Hence why they are able to meet their ends in their own times following them. It is not a "traditional" love or "romance". |
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CookingPriest said: But they DO NOT respect each other. they are too similar for that. Saber hates Shirou's way of no regret and Shirou hates her for trying to undo all those deaths. It is only near the end where Saber understands how wrong it is to want that. Not understands, but accepts it. They are in love with their ideals and they represent that to each other. Hence why they are able to meet their ends in their own times following them. It is not a "traditional" love or "romance". They might not respect eachother's view of their ideals, but I always assumed there's a sense of respects towards eachother as people. But hey, I've not read the VN in a long time so maybe it's time to refresh my memory. Maybe it's partly Fate/Zero's influence why I started thinking the romance was out of place, because of how she was portrayed there. I used to like it the first time I read the VN after all. |
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mira-lala said: Nah, no deep meaning. =3 Well, kinda. Maybe Sakura reminds Saber of Mordred.... 0_0 CookingPriest said: Okaishi said: I just think Saber and Shirou's relationship works better as a very solid partnership and friendship, based on mutual respect and understanding. Kinda how I imagine the relationship between Bazett and Lancer would have been. But maybe that's just me. But they DO NOT respect each other. they are too similar for that. Saber hates Shirou's way of no regret and Shirou hates her for trying to undo all those deaths. It is only near the end where Saber understands how wrong it is to want that. Not understands, but accepts it. They are in love with their ideals and they represent that to each other. Hence why they are able to meet their ends in their own times following them. It is not a "traditional" love or "romance". uhhh what? Even if you hate what someone stands for, you can still respect them, ya know... |
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Okaishi said: I just think Saber and Shirou's relationship works better as a very solid partnership and friendship, based on mutual respect and understanding. Kinda how I imagine the relationship between Bazett and Lancer would have been. But maybe that's just me. Nah, not just you. It's the same for me as well (and other people I've seen), so you're not alone. |
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Mickdrew said: cough* archer and shirou cough* cough*uhhh what? Even if you hate someone, you can still respect them, ya know... |
Okaishi said: CookingPriest said: But they DO NOT respect each other. they are too similar for that. Saber hates Shirou's way of no regret and Shirou hates her for trying to undo all those deaths. It is only near the end where Saber understands how wrong it is to want that. Not understands, but accepts it. They are in love with their ideals and they represent that to each other. Hence why they are able to meet their ends in their own times following them. It is not a "traditional" love or "romance". They might not respect eachother's view of their ideals, but I always assumed there's a sense of respects towards eachother as people. But hey, I've not read the VN in a long time so maybe it's time to refresh my memory. Maybe it's partly Fate/Zero's influence why I started thinking the romance was out of place, because of how she was portrayed there. I used to like it the first time I read the VN after all. As I said she does not accept that sense till the very near end of Fate route. Because accepting that she respects him means accepting that she is wrong. |
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mira-lala said: I didn't say Gen invented it tho. It was there in FSN, not as pronounce, but it was there. The scene with Sasaki, for example. ... Then what exactly are disagreeing with me on? |
astroprogs said: mira-lala said: I didn't say Gen invented it tho. It was there in FSN, not as pronounce, but it was there. The scene with Sasaki, for example. ... Then what exactly are disagreeing with me on? We can all agree that Derpmud is bs compared to Sasaki. |
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astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
chickenonthepan said: astroprogs said: ... Then what exactly are disagreeing with me on? We can all agree that Derpmud is bs compared to Sasaki. well i like both, don't understand all the fuss against diarmuid lol |
normalpriest said: chickenonthepan said: We can all agree that Derpmud is bs compared to Sasaki. well i like both, don't understand all the fuss against diarmuid lol he cursed the Grail. |
chickenonthepan said: normalpriest said: well i like both, don't understand all the fuss against diarmuid lol he cursed the Grail. wait what, do you mean: "people think he cursed the graail ?" loool |
normalpriest said: why did you think the holy grail had mud spewing out of it? it was the curse of deermud.chickenonthepan said: he cursed the Grail. wait what, do you mean: "people think he cursed the graail ?" loool |
Maloghurst said: normalpriest said: why did you think the holy grail had mud spewing out of it? it was the curse of deermud.wait what, do you mean: "people think he cursed the graail ?" loool XD loool opinion of other on him doesn't make him a bad character lol, i think he is a pretty nice guy. |
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Aurioch said: Everyone but 1 or maybe 2 F/Z servants are bs compared to Sasaki. In multiple ways. Say that to the bullshit in Zero subforums right now because apparently Gillies is the best character ever that triumphs all FSN servants. |
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normalpriest said: Maloghurst said: why did you think the holy grail had mud spewing out of it? it was the curse of deermud. XD loool opinion of other on him doesn't make him a bad character lol, i think he is a pretty nice guy. And another one falls for the mole. |
Praland said: That Irish guy fucked everything He fucked my Lucky Charms he did! >:( |
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CookingPriest said: Aurioch said: Everyone but 1 or maybe 2 F/Z servants are bs compared to Sasaki. In multiple ways. Say that to the bullshit in Zero subforums right now because apparently Gillies is the best character ever that triumphs all FSN servants. Link please. That fallacy has to be corrected. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
CookingPriest said: rofl edgefags much?Aurioch said: Everyone but 1 or maybe 2 F/Z servants are bs compared to Sasaki. In multiple ways. Say that to the bullshit in Zero subforums right now because apparently Gillies is the best character ever that triumphs all FSN servants. |
CookingPriest said: Okaishi said: They might not respect eachother's view of their ideals, but I always assumed there's a sense of respects towards eachother as people. But hey, I've not read the VN in a long time so maybe it's time to refresh my memory. Maybe it's partly Fate/Zero's influence why I started thinking the romance was out of place, because of how she was portrayed there. I used to like it the first time I read the VN after all. As I said she does not accept that sense till the very near end of Fate route. Because accepting that she respects him means accepting that she is wrong. She always respected him. She didn't respect his ideals, but she respected him as a person. Accepting that she respects him =/= accepting she is wrong. Apart from being wrong, that makes no sense to begin with. She can respect him without agreeing with him. That's like saying no one in the world respects each other. Most people are always disagreeing. Really, all I get from this is you not understanding Saber.....As usual. You should stick to Rin and Shirou. Edit: Yay, Tamamo sig. |
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Zombiepie said: Praland said: That Irish guy fucked everything He fucked my Lucky Charms he did! >:( So, Diarmuid cursed you too? |
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Praland said: Zombiepie said: He fucked my Lucky Charms he did! >:( So, Diarmuid cursed you too? He fucked everyone. Didn't you see that magic mole? |
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mira-lala said: it's his ultimate noble phantasm even Saber couldnt resist it for long.Praland said: So, Diarmuid cursed you too? He fucked everyone. Didn't you see that magic mole? |
Maloghurst said: CookingPriest said: rofl edgefags much?Say that to the bullshit in Zero subforums right now because apparently Gillies is the best character ever that triumphs all FSN servants. Also Zero Lancer is so much cooler than FSN Lancer. |
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CookingPriest said: woa woa now.....now they're speaking blasphemyMaloghurst said: rofl edgefags much? Also Zero Lancer is so much cooler than FSN Lancer. |
CookingPriest said: Because that was exactly what Zadion said -_-Aurioch said: Everyone but 1 or maybe 2 F/Z servants are bs compared to Sasaki. In multiple ways. Say that to the bullshit in Zero subforums right now because apparently Gillies is the best character ever that triumphs all FSN servants. |
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Maloghurst said: mira-lala said: it's his ultimate noble phantasm even Saber couldnt resist it for long.He fucked everyone. Didn't you see that magic mole? Watchu on about? He's Seiba's bitch. =3 |
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