StrayBotato said: That's not needed <.< Like I said, if you couldn't figure that out on your own then FSN is not for you. That, or you need to watch the episodes again and pay more attention. Frankly I am seeing that bullshit being said more times than the whole "lolwhyseibagotbwhilegingerkiddidnot" |
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CookingPriest said: Just checked AnrikuZero's(If i am writing that name correctly) vid and usual problems: "shirou's so naive", "wtf why did he walk out of cover", "luck", etc. Someone make gif of shirou's dodging skills and add to the FAQ. As well a the obvious explanation that if Shirou not walked out when Caster asked, he would not have a chance to confirm his suspicion AND he and Rin would have been blown to bits by Caster before they do anything. To be fair, Rin's reaction means she was probably thinking the same thing. *edit Added a new live reaction channel Shiro Somen Channel |
KuistockeDec 18, 2014 7:45 AM
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PriestMeido said: CookingPriest said: Just checked AnrikuZero's(If i am writing that name correctly) vid and usual problems: "shirou's so naive", "wtf why did he walk out of cover", "luck", etc. Someone make gif of shirou's dodging skills and add to the FAQ. As well a the obvious explanation that if Shirou not walked out when Caster asked, he would not have a chance to confirm his suspicion AND he and Rin would have been blown to bits by Caster before they do anything. To be fair, Rin's reaction means she was probably thinking the same thing. *edit Added a new live reaction channel Shiro Somen Channel Rin "Gets it" latter on though. Audience HAS to get it since the very start though. Shirou has most of his character in thoughts than in words. |
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| If people can't understand why Shirou walked out to talk after he asks his question, they are well beyond hope. They can disagree with his decision if they want, but to not understand it is to lack any critical thought capacity whatsoever. |
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ANGRY2011 said: they should have known from a previous episode that caster is more than capable of blowing them out of cover anyway. in what world do people think that that run down building can protect them from someone who can spam lasers strong enough to leave craters.If people can't understand why Shirou walked out to talk after he asks his question, they are well beyond hope. They can disagree with his decision if they want, but to not understand it is to lack any critical thought capacity whatsoever. |
Maloghurst said: ANGRY2011 said: they should have known from a previous episode that caster is more than capable of blowing them out of cover anyway. in what world do people think that that run down building can protect them from someone who can spam lasers strong enough to leave craters.If people can't understand why Shirou walked out to talk after he asks his question, they are well beyond hope. They can disagree with his decision if they want, but to not understand it is to lack any critical thought capacity whatsoever. This might come as a surprise-and you might want to sit down, it's a real shocker-but people can be complete idiots. And apparently there are a significant number of such watching this, given all the complaints of how dumb he was to walk out of there. |
| I mean I know people are complaining about him coming out from the cover but I don't know why. Caster pretty much said she was going to blow them away if they didn't come out and the viewers saw how many beams she can shoot off. Seems like some people are just looking for things to complain about tbh. |
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Insertanamehere said: Maloghurst said: they should have known from a previous episode that caster is more than capable of blowing them out of cover anyway. in what world do people think that that run down building can protect them from someone who can spam lasers strong enough to leave craters. This might come as a surprise-and you might want to sit down, it's a real shocker-but people can be complete idiots. And apparently there are a significant number of such watching this, given all the complaints of how dumb he was to walk out of there. I see people talk how "Caster is underwhelming and does not feel threatening" and "meh, she is clearly weakest of all servants so far", so yeah. Lots of idiots. PRetty much every live reaction listed her facepalmed at Shirou's choice. To be honest establishing on why True Magic is such a big fucking deawould have helped |
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| Yeah I re-read the prologue yesterday and the True Magic/Reality Marble part is actually important... not sure why they left those out. Although 70% of viewers would have forgotten them anyway, but atleast they would have been there. |
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| What I really find strange is that most of these people making the reaction videos seem to think that it was Kuzuki who was casting strengthening magic when he outright stated he was not a mage making it obvious it must be Caster who is buffing Kuzuki. |
Raziel1991Dec 18, 2014 9:27 AM
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nocorras said: Yeah I re-read the prologue yesterday and the True Magic/Reality Marble part is actually important... not sure why they left those out. Although 70% of viewers would have forgotten them anyway, but atleast they would have been there. I hope they leave in true magic explanation when Rin talks about Projection. PERFECTLY, it should have happened before Cater's introduction, but alas, it will at least somewhat help. If they remove that explanation too(just like they did with most so far), we are fucked in terms of hopes of second half being handled correctly. |
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| i deal with stupidity from people every day. I just feel as if these people need to be fed into the spiral placed into my personal Akasha so i can figure out the meaning of all this nonsense |
Maloghurst said: i deal with stupidity from people every day. I just feel as if these people need to be fed into the spiral placed into my personal Akasha so i can figure out the meaning of all this nonsense would like to have a word with you... |
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Raziel1991 said: What I really find strange is that most of these people making the reaction videos seem to think that it was Kuzuki who was casting strengthening magic when he outright stated he was not a mage making it obvious it must be Caster who is buffing Kuzuki. There was a lot of talk about what's a mage and what's not in this series. Shirou is not a mage, but he can use strenghtening. It's not obvious that Caster was buffing Kuzuki. I've read the VN (I stopped when I caught up with the anime) this week and everything is explained so throughly in it that I can imagine how easy it seems for you guys to understand everything in the anime. Having been on the other side of the fandom for the last 11 episodes, however, I can say that it's not nearly as simple to understand every character's reasoning immediately, especially if someone's doing a live reaction video. So, try to be a bit more reasonable. |
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kokusho36 said: Raziel1991 said: What I really find strange is that most of these people making the reaction videos seem to think that it was Kuzuki who was casting strengthening magic when he outright stated he was not a mage making it obvious it must be Caster who is buffing Kuzuki. There was a lot of talk about what's a mage and what's not in this series. Shirou is not a mage, but he can use strenghtening. It's not obvious that Caster was buffing Kuzuki. I've read the VN (I stopped when I caught up with the anime) this week and everything is explained so throughly in it that I can imagine how easy it seems for you guys to understand everything in the anime. Having been on the other side of the fandom for the last 11 episodes, however, I can say that it's not nearly as simple to understand every character's reasoning immediately, especially if someone's doing a live reaction video. So, try to be a bit more reasonable. Without getting into details and NAsuverse terms Shirou IS a mage but an amateur since, you know, he actually uses magecraft. Kuzuki isnt a mage at all. So why is he buffed? Sorry but understanding that Shirou revealed himself because Caster is able to melt rock and cause craters with her magic shouldnt need VN explanations since we saw her doing that against Archer.Same goes for other stuff as well. |
| Well, Kuzuki said he's no mage, and he has 0 reasons to lie, and Caster is well, a mage, so yeah. Also Shirou IS a mage. He's just a novice. Shitji, on the other hand, is not a mage. |
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kokusho36 said: Raziel1991 said: What I really find strange is that most of these people making the reaction videos seem to think that it was Kuzuki who was casting strengthening magic when he outright stated he was not a mage making it obvious it must be Caster who is buffing Kuzuki. There was a lot of talk about what's a mage and what's not in this series. Shirou is not a mage, but he can use strenghtening. It's not obvious that Caster was buffing Kuzuki. I've read the VN (I stopped when I caught up with the anime) this week and everything is explained so throughly in it that I can imagine how easy it seems for you guys to understand everything in the anime. Having been on the other side of the fandom for the last 11 episodes, however, I can say that it's not nearly as simple to understand every character's reasoning immediately, especially if someone's doing a live reaction video. So, try to be a bit more reasonable. It's nice to hear from someone on both sides but I feel like the Caster blowing them away thing was obvious enough, especially with how her beams were handled in the Archer vs Caster fight. I can agree some other things can be hard to understand with no monologues though. |
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| Wait did you read Fate route? Also regarding monologues, I read that certain scene again yesterday, if they don't make it 2 episodes long with all monologues I'm probably going to rage. |
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StrayBotato said: Wait did you read Fate route? Also regarding monologues, I read that certain scene again yesterday, if they don't make it 2 episodes long with all monologues I'm probably going to rage. Answer? |
| I thought Rin explained him that there's a difference between magi and magic users. Magi are heirs to a family of mages and have a magic crest, while magic users can just do what their name implies (correct me if I'm wrong). What I meant to say was that Kuzuki saying that he's a not a magus does not mean that there's a 0% chance that he was doing all that fancy stuff by himself, especially in a series that likes to play with your expectations. In the other cases, you were right to point out that the scenes made perfect sense if viewed from the correct point of view, but I 'm just asking you guys to be a bit more relaxed in your explaination, because the anime by itself is prone to creating ambiguous situations, which were infinitely easier to grasp in the VN thanks to the massive amounts of internal monologues. If you weren't doing it already, I'd suggest to stress out the importance of reading the Fate route even more, because it would have made my experience with UBW even better. |
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| As far as I'm concerned, it's natural to assume that Kuzuki knows magic. How could he summon Caster otherwise? You need the catalyst, the circle thing, and to actually summon them. |
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Insertanamehere said: Yes.Answer? kokusho36 said: We already do that. But some people don't like reading VNs, which is understandable tbh.If you weren't doing it already, I'd suggest to stress out the importance of reading the Fate route even more, because it would have made my experience with UBW even better. |
BotatoDec 18, 2014 1:02 PM
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ijuka said: In Fate route As far as I'm concerned, it's natural to assume that Kuzuki knows magic. How could he summon Caster otherwise? You need the catalyst, the circle thing, and to actually summon them. In UBW |
BotatoDec 18, 2014 11:43 AM
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StrayBotato said: Insertanamehere said: Yes.Answer? kokusho36 said: We already do that. But most people don't like reading VNs, which is understandable tbh.If you weren't doing it already, I'd suggest to stress out the importance of reading the Fate route even more, because it would have made my experience with UBW even better. Answer just needs 1 episode and I'm fairly certain it'll get that, they have so many episodes to work with. StrayBotato said: ijuka said: As far as I'm concerned, it's natural to assume that Kuzuki knows magic. How could he summon Caster otherwise? You need the catalyst, the circle thing, and to actually summon them. In UBW I know, but for an anime-only viewer it still would be natural to assume that. And you should spoiler the fate route comment as well. |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
| Well then like I said, he has no reason to lie and say he's not a mage. |
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StrayBotato said: Well then like I said, he has no reason to lie and say he's not a mage. but the other poster's point likely is that mage and magic user are different things |
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StrayBotato said: This whole thing is confusing now @_@ well I mean just like kiritsugu said to shirou that he should be a magic user and not a magus it should be possible that kuzuki is a magic user even if he says he's not a magus, no? |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
ijuka said: StrayBotato said: This whole thing is confusing now @_@ well I mean just like kiritsugu said to shirou that he should be a magic user and not a magus it should be possible that kuzuki is a magic user even if he says he's not a magus, no? This quote from Kerry was exactly what I was looking for XD |
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StrayBotato said: This whole thing is confusing now @_@ Nice choice of avatar The whole Botato thing is over my head tho |
SwordHand said: Thank you :)StrayBotato said: This whole thing is confusing now @_@ Nice choice of avatar The whole Botato thing is over my head tho It's just my original username. I might look for a Yato with potato avatar to make it fit, if I feel like it. |
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| Pretty sure that is a translation mistake since magus(Majutsushi) is used for EVERY kind of magic user.O r just teh chars not giving a shit about official terms just like Kiritsugu. ijuka said: Shinji cant use magic yet he had Rider.Shirou too summoned Saber just because he was in the shed.As far as I'm concerned, it's natural to assume that Kuzuki knows magic. How could he summon Caster otherwise? You need the catalyst, the circle thing, and to actually summon them. |
ssjokgDec 18, 2014 12:17 PM
kokusho36 said: A crest doesn't make you automatically a magus, though. Kiritsugu also counts as a magic user (or sometimes called spellcaster) and Shirou would also be considered one, even though he sometimes says he is a magus. Kuzuki himself said he is just a killer. There is a slight possibiliy that he might be able to do all that fancy stuff, but from what was said, and he has no reason to lie, it's more reasonable to assume he is just someone who got buffed by Caster. Violet is Caster's color. All the fancy strengthening was violet-coloured.I thought Rin explained him that there's a difference between magi and magic users. Magi are heirs to a family of mages and have a magic crest, while magic users can just do what their name implies (correct me if I'm wrong). What I meant to say was that Kuzuki saying that he's a not a magus does not mean that there's a 0% chance that he was doing all that fancy stuff by himself, especially in a series that likes to play with your expectations. In the other cases, you were right to point out that the scenes made perfect sense if viewed from the correct point of view, but I 'm just asking you guys to be a bit more relaxed in your explaination, because the anime by itself is prone to creating ambiguous situations, which were infinitely easier to grasp in the VN thanks to the massive amounts of internal monologues. If you weren't doing it already, I'd suggest to stress out the importance of reading the Fate route even more, because it would have made my experience with UBW even better. As for Kuzuki being a Master, he says he has no interest in the Grail, so him purposely summoning Caster doesn't make a lot of sense. If someone asks, without spoiling anything, I would suggest that the Grail summoned the Servant, as it did with Shirou HentaiPriest said: Pretty sure that is a translation mistake since magus(Majutsushi) is used for EVERY kind of magic user. ijuka said: Shinji cant use magic yet he had Rider.Shirou too summoned Saber just because he was in the shed.As far as I'm concerned, it's natural to assume that Kuzuki knows magic. How could he summon Caster otherwise? You need the catalyst, the circle thing, and to actually summon them. It's not a translation mistake. There is a difference between majutsushi and majutsu tsukai (spellcaster). Kiritsugu wants Shirou to be the latter and both are considered to be spellcasters. |
kokusho36 said: Kerry also said to Shirou that he is a Magician (Mahoutsukai)and he [b]definitely[b] isnt one.ijuka said: well I mean just like kiritsugu said to shirou that he should be a magic user and not a magus it should be possible that kuzuki is a magic user even if he says he's not a magus, no? This quote from Kerry was exactly what I was looking for XD |
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Raziel1991 said: Some ancestor of his was.Most of these people have watched Fate/Zero |
HentaiPriest said: See my post above.kokusho36 said: Kerry also said to Shirou that he is a Magician (Mahoutsukai)and he definitely isnt one.This quote from Kerry was exactly what I was looking for XD The mahou tsukai thing is a running gag, nothing more. It's more correct to call Kiritsugu majutsu tsukai, rather than majutsushi. |
CapsuleCore said: HentaiPriest said: See my post above.Kerry also said to Shirou that he is a Magician (Mahoutsukai)and he definitely isnt one. The mahou tsukai thing is a running gag, nothing more. It's more correct to call Kiritsugu majutsu tsukai, rather than majutsushi. What's the difference? I thought tsukai meant something along the lines of user, like when Lancer called Saber a sword user. Isn't Kerry a magic user? |
CapsuleCore said: Isnt Mahoutsukai used for those that can use True Magic?HentaiPriest said: See my post above.Kerry also said to Shirou that he is a Magician (Mahoutsukai)and he definitely isnt one. The mahou tsukai thing is a running gag, nothing more. It's more correct to call Kiritsugu majutsu tsukai, rather than majutsushi. |
HentaiPriest said: CapsuleCore said: Isnt Mahoutsukai used for those that can use True Magic?See my post above. The mahou tsukai thing is a running gag, nothing more. It's more correct to call Kiritsugu majutsu tsukai, rather than majutsushi. Aren't those the sorcerors? |
HentaiPriest said: Pretty sure that is a translation mistake since magus(Majutsushi) is used for EVERY kind of magic user.O r just teh chars not giving a shit about official terms just like Kiritsugu. ijuka said: Shinji cant use magic yet he had Rider.Shirou too summoned Saber just because he was in the shed.As far as I'm concerned, it's natural to assume that Kuzuki knows magic. How could he summon Caster otherwise? You need the catalyst, the circle thing, and to actually summon them. |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
SwordHand said: HentaiPriest said: Isnt Mahoutsukai used for those that can use True Magic? Aren't those the sorcerors? Sorcerors/Magicians yes.Thats why I point out that line. |
HentaiPriest said: SwordHand said: Aren't those the sorcerors? Sorcerors/Magicians yes.Thats why I point out that line. I thought in the VN that Rin made a distinction between mages and sorcerors. Sorcerors were the revered ones. |
ijuka said: HentaiPriest said: Pretty sure that is a translation mistake since magus(Majutsushi) is used for EVERY kind of magic user.O r just teh chars not giving a shit about official terms just like Kiritsugu. Shinji cant use magic yet he had Rider.Shirou too summoned Saber just because he was in the shed. Someone that only watched UBW wouldnt know about that which is the point of this discussion. But Shirou didnt do shit.The grai did the entire thing. |
| It is, but you missed my point. Yes, mahoutsukai literally means True Magic (Mahou) user. Or sometimes called sorcerer/magician. In KnK, Touko calls herself a mahoutsukai in front of Ryougi Shiki in a hospital. In Tsukihime, it's Aoko with Tohno Shiki. Location again is a hospital. In FSN, it's Kiritsugu who calls himself a mahoutsukai in front of Shirou in a hospital. Majutsu tsukai correctly means magic user, as in magic = majutsu, which is what mirror-moon used. Or magecraft user, for all I care, I prefer spellcaster to be honest. This is what Kiritsugu was and what Shirou really is. Kiritsugu said: That's the quote kokusho meant.What I will teach you will bring you conflicts. That is why you must not use it in front of people, and you must not cease your practice even though it is difficult to learn. Well, I don't really care if you break that one. The most important thing is that magic is something you use not for yourself, but for others. If you do that, you may become a magic user, but you will not become a magus |
SwordHand said: And Kiritsugu ISNT one.Unless if he became capable of using a True Magic after the fire.HentaiPriest said: Sorcerors/Magicians yes.Thats why I point out that line. I thought in the VN that Rin made a distinction between mages and sorcerors. Sorcerors were the revered ones. |
| Pretty sure that mahoutsukai is directly translated as magic user and what's important is what was meant by it by the person who said it, not what it actually means. Also, you guys are really going off on some nonsense tangents, I just said that it's natural for a person to assume that Kuzuki can use magic because he apparently was able to summon Caster. |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
SwordHand said: What's the difference? I thought tsukai meant something along the lines of user, like when Lancer called Saber a sword user. Isn't Kerry a magic user? |
ijuka said: Which is not necessarily true, because the Grail can forcefully choose Masters and summon Servants itself.Pretty sure that mahoutsukai is directly translated as magic user and what's important is what was meant by it by the person who said it, not what it actually means. Also, you guys are really going off on some nonsense tangents, I just said that it's natural for a person to assume that Kuzuki can use magic because he apparently was able to summon Caster. SwordHand said: SwordHand said: What's the difference? I thought tsukai meant something along the lines of user, like when Lancer called Saber a sword user. Isn't Kerry a magic user? Give me a moment, I'll answer that soon. |
HentaiPriest said: SwordHand said: And Kiritsugu ISNT one.Unless if he became capable of using a True Magic after the fire.I thought in the VN that Rin made a distinction between mages and sorcerors. Sorcerors were the revered ones. He never was a magus, either. He always was a magic user. |
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