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So are you asking how did SEELE succeed in launching Human Instrumentality Project?

I think you just answered yourself by saying that they killed the angels and launched the spear of Longinus to Asuka's face.

Did you check this site? It's a very comprehensive FAQ: http://www.evaotaku.com/html/evafaq.html

Taken from the FAQ:

The SEELE version of Human Complement Project appears to have been initiated with the death of Evangelion Unit-02 and the return of the original Spear with the arrival of Eva-01. With these events occurring in the GeoFront, Gendou gave Adam to Rei (Adam is imbedded in Gendou's hand- this is seen quit clearly in the re-vision of eps. 24) and instructs her to take him to Lillith. However "out of her own judgment" she refused and returned to Lillith alone - then putt the future of mankind into the hands of the son of Ikari, Shinji.

When given a choice at the end of Complement Project, if he wanted mankind to return to reality or to complete the project, Shinji decided that a life in reality, no matter how painful, is better than a fake happiness (Kaworu: "AT-Field will harm you and others again, are you sure?" Shinji: "That's fine.") The Mass Production Eva series falls still, their cores break as the Lance Replicas are destroyed.

As the souls of mankind flow back to earth, millions of glowing crosses ascend with Eva-01 and the Lance into the depths of space. Yui caresses Shinji's cheek as they they say their final good-byes. In a flashback, Yui's goal for Eva - as a testament that humanity existed even after the sun, moon and earth are gone - becomes clear.

Shinji awakes up on a desolate beach. Asuka - her arm and eye bandaged in a manner similar to Rei's - lies motionless next to him. Shinji, at the culmination of his love, hate, stress, frustration, etc. - begins to strangle her, only to stop when he feels the caress of her hand across his face. He breaks down, sobbing on top of her.

cupcFeb 28, 2014 7:45 AM

Feb 28, 2014 9:04 AM

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@cupc Thanks for your answer. Didn't read the FAQ up till now. But I still have the feeling that my questions aren't really answered.

"The SEELE version of Human Complement Project appears to have been initiated with the death of Evangelion Unit-02 and the return of the original Spear with the arrival of Eva-01"

That's just and explaination what happend. I still don't understand what the Seele's original plan was.
And why would that cause the 3rd Impact? Why did they have to to launch the spear of Longinus to Askuk's face?

I now understand his confict with Seele but I didn't find detailed information on Geno's HIP plan.

Feb 28, 2014 9:12 AM

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SEELE's "original" plan was Human Instrumentality Project.

Why would it cause a third impact? Because this is motherfucking Evangelion that's why. There is no scientific basis for a phenomenon called Third Impact.

They launched the Spear of Longinus, because killing EVA-02 (Which Asuka piloted) was a part of the prophecy told by the Dead Sea Scrolls in order to boot the Human Instrumentality Project.

Gendo had his own version of HIP:

Gendo had a different scenario for the Complementation of mankind and his process seems to have included the use of Rei, Adam, and Lillith while SEELE's focused on Eva-01 (direct clone of Lillith), Evangelion Mass Production Models and the Spear of Longinuss (at first intended for the original Spear, but the replicas would have sufficed).

It was SEELE's HIP that was actually done though. It could be said that Gendo and SEELE were "rivals".

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Need some answers? http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/543/380/b8f.png

Srsly tho, the stupidest thing about SEELE is that they could've initiated HIP very early in the series, as early as episode 1 even.

But hey that's Evangelion for you, which is full of plot holes.

Mar 11, 2014 12:42 PM

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only4anime said:
Need some answers? http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/543/380/b8f.png

Srsly tho, the stupidest thing about SEELE is that they could've initiated HIP very early in the series, as early as episode 1 even.

But hey that's Evangelion for you, which is full of plot holes.

No they couldn't. They didn't have Adam until the later episodes, which was required for the HIP to initiate.

Mar 11, 2014 9:05 PM

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cupc said:
while SEELE's focused on Eva-01 (direct clone of Lillith), Evangelion Mass Production Models and the Spear of Longinuss (at first intended for the original Spear, but the replicas would have sufficed).

First of all, did you even read this post of yours? The movie already showed us they didn't need Adam to initiate lol.

Secondly, they did have Adam. Where do you think Kaji got Adam from?

Also I don't understand what you meant by "later episodes" considering they lost possession of Adam to Gendo (they still had Adam's soul tho). SEELE could just clone the shit out of everything anyway, including godly beings like Adam and Lilith. Even all the lances were mere copies.

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only4anime said:

Oh, right. You're correct on that. It has been a while since I saw this series so I don't remember everything. Kaji did have Adam, originally.

But still, HIP couldn't have been initiated until SEELE had built their Mass Production Evangelions. (Which were first seen in End of Evangelion I think) They were a crucial part of the initiation process.

The Spear of Longinus that pierced Asuka and was a part of the initiation of HIP, was not a copy. It was the real thing. So judging from that, I'd say in order for HIP to start you need the genuine version, not a bootleg. Same with Adam, probably.

And SEELE couldn't copy anything Adam related after they lost Adam to Gendo. The soul wasn't sufficient. As a fun fact, the Adam's soul was used to create Kaworu.

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Well here's the thing, NOTHING prevented them from producing those Evas.

cupc said:
The Spear of Longinus that pierced Asuka and was a part of the initiation of HIP, was not a copy. It was the real thing.

Nah, it was a copy. (Who threw that friggin thing anyway?)

cupc said:
And SEELE couldn't copy anything Adam related after they lost Adam to Gendo. The soul wasn't sufficient. As a fun fact, the Adam's soul was used to create Kaworu.

Which means the MP Evas were built before they lost Adam then? Another plot hole ¬_¬

Mar 12, 2014 12:31 AM

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The Eva series was built in different places in the world out of S2 engines which only angels had (and were experimented on eva 04 as well) which is why they weren't made up until then. In EoE they even made it clear that 9 evas were produced when they were planning on 12 originally.
Oh and quite obviously the different places where the Eva series were produced already had Adam clones so they don't need Adam's original body. Quite obviously. Otherwise they couldn't have been produced in different locations in the first place.

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only4anime said:
Well here's the thing, NOTHING prevented them from producing those Evas.

cupc said:
The Spear of Longinus that pierced Asuka and was a part of the initiation of HIP, was not a copy. It was the real thing.

Nah, it was a copy. (Who threw that friggin thing anyway?)

cupc said:
And SEELE couldn't copy anything Adam related after they lost Adam to Gendo. The soul wasn't sufficient. As a fun fact, the Adam's soul was used to create Kaworu.

Which means the MP Evas were built before they lost Adam then? Another plot hole ¬_¬

No, it wasn't a copy. The spears that the Mass Production Eva's had were copies. Not the one that pierced Asuka.

Mar 12, 2014 9:41 AM

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Ok, so I took another look at this thread and you both seem to be confused (see what NGE does to people? lol). So I'll make it more clear.

cupc and only4anime

The Eva series has nothing to do with who has Adam's embryo, that thing has already been replicated years ago. Remember unit 04 and 03 from America? They tried attaching them to an S2 engine and they both went haywire (they also had no soul, unlike units 00, 01, 02).
This is what an S2 engine is: http://wiki.evageeks.org/S%C2%B2_Engine
As you can see, Seele couldn't have made Eva series before actually obtaining S2 from the 4th Angel (and further research after the dummy plug episode) and they even sent them out incomplete after the last Angel (Kaoworu) was killed. The end.

As for the OP, answers to at least some of your questions exist, but it's too long to write here. Just search for them There are other sources besides evageeks.

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Mar 12, 2014 11:57 AM

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Yeah, but the Eva series seemed to have been made as a replacement for Adam. In any case, they already had both Adam and Lilith prior to that. They had to send them out incomplete because Gendo betrayed them, basically took Adam and Lilith from them, and could initiate HIP of his own before them.

cupc said:
No, it wasn't a copy. The spears that the Mass Production Eva's had were copies. Not the one that pierced Asuka.

Nah, the original flew back later on its own for no apparent reason.

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only4anime said:
Yeah, but the Eva series seemed to have been made as a replacement for Adam. In any case, they already had both Adam and Lilith prior to that. They had to send them out incomplete because Gendo betrayed them, basically took Adam and Lilith from them, and could initiate HIP of his own before them.

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No, it wasn't a copy. The spears that the Mass Production Eva's had were copies. Not the one that pierced Asuka.

Nah, the original flew back later on its own for no apparent reason.

I fail to see your problem here

Asuka even herself said in her death scene; "The spear of longinus??"

Actually, I don't know what you're arguing about.

Also @HATUL, I don't see how what you said has anything to do with what I said? :o

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Pretty much.. The Eva series (clones of Adam) and Eva 01 (a clone of Lilith which also devoured an S2 engine in episode 19) together created the Tree of Life for the HIP.
So there you go..

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cupc said:

Also @HATUL, I don't see how what you said has anything to do with what I said? :o

Oh you're right, my mistake. I thought you said that Seele couldn't do the HIP because they didn't have Adam to replicate or something..

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