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ShadowfrostZen said: Altera's has been out for a while. Yeah, but Ushi's is new, so i posted both for the uninitiated. |
BB/Waver/Casko. Give 2030 to your supports while BB holds a formalcraft. She will help your team spam more NP due to 20% NP gauge. Jeanne would be cool but she can't replace Waver nor Casko. Waver gives BB def and atk up, which are a huge bonus plus crit up? Waver cannot be replaced here. As for casko, she gives you HP, NP gauge (more BB spam, which means more NP spam for casko and waver) and cooldowns, which are awesome. You get 3,000 HP every 4 turns. Add to that the cooldowns coming from Casko, yeah, BB is not dying anytime sooner. With waver and the second skill of BB, you have 2 stun, which is pretty awesome. I dunno, BB just shines best in the holy trinity (instead of using vlad, you're using BB). I'll say she's one of the best freebies we have gotten so far. I'd say top 5 are Kintoki, Shiki, Kuro, BB and Jailter/Chacha. |
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| BB sounds very promising, I'll 10/10/10 her in that case. I don't have 2030 however, so I'll be using CEs that increase effectiveness of heals so Tamamo's NP heals even more. The Halloween CE that has a 75% heal boost and the other event CE that gives 50% NP gauge and 30% heal boost in particular. Might consider grailing BB after I grail Arcueid and Shiki. |
| That moment when your friends all either put BB as support, or either totally removed their event Servants .. (Showing they're done with it) And you .. Still have no idea how to unlock the part of the shop allowing to buy debuff to beat Kiara OTL |
NyarlathothepMay 18, 2017 9:37 AM
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Nyarlathothep said: You unlock it after getting around 18,000 points, which you obtain by completing missions.That moment when your friends all either put BB as support, or either totally removed their event Servants .. (Showing they're done with it) And you .. Still have no idea how to unlock the part of the shop allowing to buy debuff to beat Kiara OTL |
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-Mahesvara said: Nyarlathothep said: You unlock it after getting around 18,000 points, which you obtain by completing missions.That moment when your friends all either put BB as support, or either totally removed their event Servants .. (Showing they're done with it) And you .. Still have no idea how to unlock the part of the shop allowing to buy debuff to beat Kiara OTL I have about 28,000 points and it's still locked -____- |
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Nyarlathothep said: How far are you into the event story missions?-Mahesvara said: You unlock it after getting around 18,000 points, which you obtain by completing missions. I have about 28,000 points and it's still locked -____- |
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-Mahesvara said: Nyarlathothep said: How far are you into the event story missions?I have about 28,000 points and it's still locked -____- 76/100 Missions |
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| Alright, here's a little rant about BB. People keep saying that BB is a very good support and that she's just second to Kuro and Kintoki for a welfare, but i really didn't get that impression from the few times i used her. Her niche is far from the broken likes of Kuro and Kintoki. She seems tailor-made for stalling teams that have little leeway of dealing damage while maintaining their defense She looks really carefully designed to ensure that result. And while this is a great thing for such teams, she's balanced very well to make sure she deals below average damage 2 turns out of 5, and that's with her final skill maxed out. Here's a little evaluation of her as i personally see it. The good: 1. Her first (heal + cure + fuck you, cure again) skill helps stalling teams a lot, especially the ones who have Jeanne. 2. Her second skill ensures that when she gets the chance to crit or use her NP, especially on those annoying turns when the enemy casts dodge before his/her NP turn. She will deal damage 99.9% of the times when she's meant to deal a good amount of it. 3. Her third skill is her trump card for her niche. Compared to the other support Servants she's meant to synergize with, she'll hit admirably. 4. Her NP is great for dealing an additional damage (more on that in the bad), while still supporting the other support-orinted NP-dependent allies, and is especially a god send for Jeanne. 5. Her card set: QQAAB. It's perfect for her niche; deal decent damage via crits and support the Arts-team. 6. Her HP pool is great. The bad: 1 and done. Her "too manufactured" damage ceiling. She's designed to deal good damage 3 out of 5 turns exactly, if you're lucky. Here's the thing with BB's offensive capabilities, she has such a low ATK stat (9925 Fou'd) and a crappy star absorption (52) to make her base ability to deal damage really low, but she's equipped with a skill to increase her absorption rate and crit damage for 3 turns every 5 (@ max) to almost force a specific play style with her (the infamous Waver/Tamamo/Jeanne + multiple 2030s). This is literally the only way to make BB deal good damage. The problem with this is that BB only works well in that setup AND she's kinda useless as a support of other non-support teams. This severely limits her uses. BB is pretty good, but she's no where near Kuro and Kintoki. Heck, she's not even near Santa Alter, Liz or Scatty, in terms of usability. BB compared to the other Welfare Servants: Kuro: Mini Archoria, damage, star and NP gen-wise with better survivability. Flat out better than Archoria when grailed. Kintoki: Mini Jack. Less survivability, but a Rider absorption rate to make up for it in offense. Shiki: Can work with a lot of teams, awesome stats, high survivability and a good in a pinch NP gen skill. She also insta-killed tons of Fafnirs for me, so that could come in handy in annoying mid-boss situations. Nobu: Pretty good damage, NP gen rate up for party skill, great at crits and especially great against Divine and Riders. Jailter: Great damage and NP, great healing skill, NP gen skill and good survivability. Santa Alter: Do i really need to explain this one? Halloween Liz: In this meta with very few great damage-dealing Casters, this Liz still stands tall. Also, decent heal and survivability. Swimsuit Scatty: Great Quick kit, good heal, Taunt and good damage. Also, a swimsuit :p Iri: kind of in a similar position to BB. When utilized right, you WILL be glad she was there. Chacha: Your resident farming specialist. I don't need to say no more. Brave Liz: Dunno TBH, never used her outside of one time at her event Lily: ...anyway, I seriously don't get what the hype about her is about. Also, now that i think about it, just take the ability to dealing damage away from the kit and integrate it into Jeanne, and voila, you just fixed her without completely breaking her or contradicting the lore. Actually, never mind this BB rant, where the hell is my Jeanne buff, DW!? |
astroprogsMay 18, 2017 11:08 AM
-Mahesvara said: Nyarlathothep said: I meant the main quest line, you need to have the final Kiara battle unlocked for her debuff shop to open up i believe.76/100 Missions I unlocked a battle against a Beast Servant in the story, but have not tried yet Tbh, I'm beginning to get bored with the Event xD |
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Nyarlathothep said: -Mahesvara said: I meant the main quest line, you need to have the final Kiara battle unlocked for her debuff shop to open up i believe. I unlocked a battle against a Beast Servant in the story, but have not tried yet Tbh, I'm beginning to get bored with the Event xD I finished the event a couple days ago. You can still do it, ganbare! |
Nyarlathothep said: -Mahesvara said: I meant the main quest line, you need to have the final Kiara battle unlocked for her debuff shop to open up i believe. I unlocked a battle against a Beast Servant in the story, but have not tried yet Tbh, I'm beginning to get bored with the Event xD Do it. It's a scripted fight. The KP shop should unlock after it IIRC. |
| I like BB cause she's a stone wall and the only Sakura besides Meltlilith and Dark Sakura I like. Gameplay can go to hell tbh |
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| I don't care about BB but, WTF did you just say about my waifu. A'right.  Let's do this. |
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| just discover Kiara can become an anti-invicibility NPAAEX spammer |
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kei78 said: Told you her NP gain is as good as Swimsuit Arturia, too bad it's about as strong as Amakusa's NPjust discover Kiara can become an anti-invicibility NPAAEX spammer |
ShadowfrostZen said: I like BB cause she's a stone wall and the only Sakura besides Meltlilith and Dark Sakura I like. Gameplay can go to hell tbh For me, Sakura is a character that intrigues me, a lot like KnK's Fujino, but BB i feel i can actively be a fan of. There's no victimization here, she actually calls the one she's based on a "pain the ass to deal with", and she's pretty straightforward on how horrible of a kouhai-type vilian she want to be, while still retaining a soft side. mira-pyon said: I don't care about BB but, WTF did you just say about my waifu. A'right. Let's do this. Oh, I'm sorry, you're right. I guess i should've said "Flat out better than Archoria even non-grailed". I mean, we're talking about a tanned Illya with Archer's powers here. I dunno what i was thinking :p |
| Shanks for the encouragement guys ~ It's unlocked now. Now, what to chose .. Lol |
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astroprogs said: I see. I see.ShadowfrostZen said: I like BB cause she's a stone wall and the only Sakura besides Meltlilith and Dark Sakura I like. Gameplay can go to hell tbh For me, Sakura is a character that intrigues me, a lot like KnK's Fujino, but BB i feel i can actively be a fan of. There's no victimization here, she actually calls the one she's based on a "pain the ass to deal with", and she's pretty straightforward on how horrible of a kouhai-type vilian she want to be, while still retaining a soft side. |
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Nyarlathothep said: Shanks for the encouragement guys ~ It's unlocked now. Now, what to chose .. Lol There's no choosing, you need all of them. |
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| Emiya servant: check Rin like servant: check Sakura like servant: check Kiritsugu servant: check Illya like servant: check Iri servant: check .... Seems like we Will got shinji / kotomine / bazeth or Lluvia servant next... |
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astroprogs said: mira-pyon said: I don't care about BB but, WTF did you just say about my waifu. A'right. [im g]http://i.imgur.com/8rD7bQG.png[/img] Let's do this. Oh, I'm sorry, you're right. I guess i should've said "Flat out better than Archoria even non-grailed". I mean, we're talking about a tanned Illya with Archer's powers here. I dunno what i was thinking :p Srsly, tho, you've got to be joking. Artoria Archer is better even w/ grailed Kuro. This isn't even funny. Nyarlathothep said: Shanks for the encouragement guys ~ It's unlocked now. Now, what to chose .. Lol Well no, you don't really need all of them. Just choose the ones best suited to your best team. Though removing all of them does make the battle easier and the event far more tedious.¯_(ツ)_/¯ kei78 said: Emiya servant: check Rin like servant: check Sakura like servant: check Kiritsugu servant: check Illya like servant: check Iri servant: check .... Seems like we Will got shinji / kotomine / bazeth or Lluvia servant next... I doubt the lattar two, but Kirei and Shinji have a chance. |
mira-pyonMay 18, 2017 11:40 PM
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| If seaweed becomes a servant and I somehow summon him, he's going to be burned immediately |
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| If seaweed becomes a servant and I somehow summon him, he's going to be grailed to 100 immediately. |
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| And here I want a Carnival Phantasm event with maid Saber, Rider Cu with his Gae BolCar, granny bike Medusa, Tennis outfit Medea and Heracles with his new NP Spinning Assault Blue Lancer. I like to dream unrealistically. |
GenkiiMay 19, 2017 1:58 AM
mira-pyon said: Srsly, tho, you've got to be joking. Artoria Archer is better even w/ grailed Kuro. This isn't even funny. Well, I do think lvl 100 Kuro edges out lvl 90 Archoria a bit. Let's see if either holds up to our claims. They have the same card set (QQAAB), so that should make the comparison easier. Normal damage: 11,920 (Kuro) vs 11,276 (Archoria) NP damage: Kuro: 11,920 (lvl 100 base) * 15 (np5) * 1.35 (2nd skill) = 241,380 Archoria: 11,276 (lvl 90 base) * 9 (np1) *1.3 (1st skill) * 1.18 (3rd skill) * 1.1 (3rd passive) = 171,244 11,276 (lvl 90 base) * 12 (np2) *1.3 (1st skill) * 1.18 (3rd skill) * 1.1 (3rd passive) = 228,324 11,276 (lvl 90 base) * 13.5 (np3) *1.3 (1st skill) * 1.18 (3rd skill) * 1.1 (3rd passive) = 256,864 11,276 (lvl 90 base) * 14.25 (np4) *1.3 (1st skill) * 1.18 (3rd skill) * 1.1 (3rd passive) = 271,134 11,276 (lvl 90 base) * 15 (np5) *1.3 (1st skill) * 1.18 (3rd skill) * 1.1 (3rd passive) = 285,405 Which means that standard NP5 Kuro would deal more damage than NP1 and NP2 Archoria. NP spamming: Archoria takes the crown here (geddit?... sorry), but Kuro gets REALLY close in closing that gap. Kuro's gen rate (0.38%) is lower than Archoria's (0.59%), but she gets 6 hits on her Arts cards compared to Archoria's 4, raising her gen to an effective (0.57%) for the same number of hits. Archoria's NP fund and hit count widens the gap even more. However, thanks to Kuro's 3rd skill which charges her NP by 50%(@ max), she ensures she doesn't fall too much behind. When it comes to NP-spamming, the two are interchangeable IMO, because while Archoria would fire hers faster, Kuro would usually deal more damage as a trade off. Star gen and crit'ing potential: Both have same star gen rate. Archoria has 4 hits on her Quick vs Kuro's 3, but thanks to Kuro's 3rd skill, she gets a 50% increase in star gen rate, making her the better one 3 turns every 6. She's better at it 50% of the times. Archoria's Independent Action-A gives her a 10% increase in crit damage vs Kuro's 8%, but thanks to Kuro's 1st skill, she gets an additional 36% increase (@ max) 3 turns out of 6. She's exceptionally better at it 50% of the times. Survivability: While Archoria has a slighly bigger HP pool, an amazing healing skill (@ max) with a negligible demerit and a defense up skill, Kuro has Dodge. Archoria would survive the normal attacks MUCH better, but Kuro would outright survive party-wiping NPs unscathed. It's subjective which is better for it, and IMO they're about equal. Party support: Archoria wins, hands down. Attack and defense party buffs, despite small, is something Kuro's completely selfish kit doesn't have. Although, i don't think that matters all that much TBH, because you wouldn't usually pair heavy hitters with other heavy hitters. You would normally pair Archoria and Kuro with the likes of Waver who would accelerate their NP spamming, help them survive and wouldn't really benefit from Archoria's attack buff. Bond CE: Archoria gives a good 15% attack to party, while Kuro gives 30% crit damage to party with 200 HP demerit each turn. Depends on your party of course, but i think that Kuro's is slighly more valuable and the demerit is negligible, doubly so when compared to King's Pride. So, to summarize: Kuro's kit and welfare status of having a lower cost and NP5 lets her compete with Archoria extremely well and even beating her in some areas. The one thing dragging Archoria back and preventing her from taking the win IMO is the fact that she's a limited SSR; higher party cost and a literal money burner to get her to do more damage than our freebie loli. |
astroprogsMay 19, 2017 2:28 AM
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-Mahesvara said: If seaweed becomes a servant and I somehow summon him, he's going to be burned immediately KingOfSherous said: Two different types of people.If seaweed becomes a servant and I somehow summon him, he's going to be grailed to 100 immediately. |
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astroprogs said: Well, I do think lvl 100 Kuro edges out lvl 90 Archoria a bit. ........ Normal damage: 11,920 (Kuro) vs 11,276 (Archoria) Well, yes, it's lvl 100. I meant grailed to 90... >.> Even then, the gap in attack is pretty close. NP damage: Which means that standard NP5 Kuro would deal more damage than NP1 and NP2 Archoria. Not really the greatest conclusion tho. What it proves here for me is that a NP 1 and 5 lvl 100 Kuro and is nowhere near NP 1 and 5 lvl 90 Archer Artoria. And, when in an Arts team where one likes the spammy spam, it would take far too long to get to that 300% which would outdo Artoria's NP 1 and 2 *Just to clarify before we continue, in my statement, I wasn't taking the fact that we have a free NP5 Kuro into account as I meant in terms of raw potential. Personally, I hardly ever 300% a servant, again, especially when in a situation where spamming is key to survival and I simply can't afford it. NP spamming: Archoria's NP fund and hit count widens the gap even more I dunno what NP fund is, but, regardless of amount of hits, one can easily get her NP back to full bar with even an NPQAEX chain, but I haven't seen any of that with Kuro. However, thanks to Kuro's 3rd skill which charges her NP by 50%(@ max), she ensures she doesn't fall too much behind. When it comes to NP-spamming, the two are interchangeable IMO, because while Archoria would fire hers faster, Kuro would usually deal more damage as a trade off. Yes, the third skill is pretty good, but it's cool down is 6 turns. Why wait a whole six turns for such a boost when Artoria can easily get that, depending on how lucky you are, between 1 or 2 turns? Plus, Kuro's 2nd skill only lasts for 1 turn, whereas both Artoria's first and last skill for 3 turns, meaning that Artoria has the potential to spam her NP at full power 3 turns in a row, which would be stronger than Kuro's still.(taking into account my earlier statement) Discarding my earlier statement, Artoria's is still better because she can spam her NP at lvl 1 several times in the time it takes Kuro to get to 300% or refill her NP bar. Star gen and crit'ing potential: Both have same star gen rate. Archoria has 4 hits on her Quick vs Kuro's 3, but thanks to Kuro's 3rd skill, she gets a 50% increase in star gen rate, making her the better one 3 turns every 6. She's better at it 50% of the times. Archoria's Independent Action-A gives her a 10% increase in crit damage vs Kuro's 8%, but thanks to Kuro's 1st skill, she gets an additional 36% increase (@ max) 3 turns out of 6. She's exceptionally better at it 50% of the times. Tbh, I find no qualms with this. Kuro is made to suit crit and quick teams, so it's natural that she does much better at this. Survivability: While Archoria has a slighly bigger HP pool, an amazing healing skill (@ max) with a negligible demerit and a defense up skill, Kuro has Dodge. Archoria would survive the normal attacks MUCH better, but Kuro would outright survive party-wiping NPs unscathed. It's subjective which is better for it, and IMO they're about equal. I mean, sort of? I would agree with your last statement if Artoria's NP didn't have the chance to reduce the enemy's NP bar by 1. If one were to couple this with the fact that you can easily spam her NP, that party-wiping NP is unlikely to even come. Which, for me, puts her above in this case. But, apart from that, I agree, in the odd chance that an enemy has a skill which negates debuffs(if this can be counted as one) and or a skill which NP gens, then Kuro would indeed come out on top. You're right, it does depend on situation and team. Party support: Archoria wins, hands down. Attack and defense party buffs, despite small, is something Kuro's completely selfish kit doesn't have. Although, i don't think that matters all that much TBH, because you wouldn't usually pair heavy hitters with other heavy hitters. You would normally pair Archoria and Kuro with the likes of Waver who would accelerate their NP spamming, help them survive and wouldn't really benefit from Archoria's attack buff. Well you could say the same about JAlter and other similar servants, to be fair. More over, if it's her 3rd skills attack + crit gen, then I'd say they would benefit. This will be especially useful in turns where her cards don't show up as it can produce crits in preparation for more NP gain attacks the next turn. Bond CE: Archoria gives a good 15% attack to party, while Kuro gives 30% crit damage to party with 200 HP demerit each turn. Depends on your party of course, but i think that Kuro's is slighly more valuable and the demerit is negligible, doubly so when compared to King's Pride. Nothing to say here apart from maybe you mean 'Knight's Pride'? :P I mean, if we're going to compare bond CEs which take time and effort, we might as well compare NP 5 Artoria too. I don't really care much for this part, tbh, as an advocate of the not-usage of bond-CEs. So, to summarize: Kuro's kit and welfare status of having a lower cost and NP5 lets her compete with Archoria extremely well and even beating her in some areas. But 'extremely well' doesn't mean she beats her. Just the fact that you used grailed to 100 Kuro instead of just 90, for me, says that you're saying that she can't compete with raw Artoria lvl 90 NP lvl 1. Not to mention that Kuro's NP 5 status can essentially mean nothing if you're like me and don't tend to go all the way to 300% NP gauge. At least if this were NP 5 Artoria it would be certainly plausible and easy to access because of her amazing NP gain. And if by 'beating her in some areas' you mean 'beating her in one or possibly two areas Artoria Archer was never meant for', then sure, sure. Not that I can talk when it comes to this. The one thing dragging Archoria back and preventing her from taking the win IMO is the fact that she's a limited SSR; higher party cost and a literal money burner to get her to do more damage than our freebie loli. Except Kuro is also limited and the Prisma event is unlikely to happen again. At least with Artoria we have a chance of rolling for her again because of how much the game loves throwing those limited SSR gachas. And support lists are an amazing miracle of the universe. With a whale like Gen-kun in your list(maybe not even up to Gen-kun's awesomeness), that Kuro essentially becomes obsolete. And higher party cost? By 3? That really matters here? Because I don't think it does. If you were to use Artoria Archer, you'd be unlikely to use all of the rest of your backrow - one can easily get past any cost problems. And, again, it's way easier to get her to do more damage, I mean you simply need 100% Artoria to do a heck of a lot more than 100% Kuro. And 100% Artoria is far easier to get to. Seems to me that Kuro is the one who is more difficult to get to do as much damage. It seems to me that you're trying to make Kuro seem better by comparing them on simply uneven turfs. Nice try m8, but I've see through that sophistry. :^) All you post has proved to me is how much better Artoria truly is, tbh. I get the first, by why the second? I had Jason in mind for Shinji, tbh. :^) |
mira-pyonMay 19, 2017 8:51 AM
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KaiserNazrin said: Nyarlathothep said: Shanks for the encouragement guys ~ It's unlocked now. Now, what to chose .. Lol There's no choosing, you need all of them. I have a hard time completing all remaining available missions :/ mira-pyon said: Nyarlathothep said: Shanks for the encouragement guys ~ It's unlocked now. Now, what to chose .. Lol Well no, you don't really need all of them. Just choose the ones best suited to your best team. Though removing all of them does make the battle easier and the event far more tedious.¯_(ツ)_/¯ Weeeell, since I'm bad at details like this, I think I should just get rid of as much as I can xD I'm still thinking about what team I could chose for that, I read people saying we need Art team so Mashu and Merlin are obligatory. Thinking of adding Orion and Vlad, thus. Only 4 remaining days, I hope it'll be enough for me to get BB and her Ascension items. |
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Nyarlathothep said: Weeeell, since I'm bad at details like this, I think I should just get rid of as much as I can xD I'm still thinking about what team I could chose for that, I read people saying we need Art team so Mashu and Merlin are obligatory. Thinking of adding Orion and Vlad, thus. Only 4 remaining days, I hope it'll be enough for me to get BB and her Ascension items. Well the translations are here in order. Tho they will also be in the wikia. The ones I don't suggest removing include: -Remove Quick Damage Resist +50% Buff -Remove Buster Damage Resist +50% Buff -Reduce Buster Resistance by 20% -Reduce Quick Resistance by 20% -Reduce HP Recovery Rate by 50% -Can Use Revive with Command Seals or Quartz (Unlocks after all other purchases) -Remove -10 Critical Stars per turn effect -Remove Stun Resist +50% Buff For an Arts team which capitalises on shields/defence, these are pretty useless. And taking these out should wittle the cost to about 28000 KP. |
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| @mira-pyon Well... yeah. Of course I'm not comparing them on even turfs because it won't reflect the realistic case of people having NP5 Kuro (if you don't, for some reason, then you're the exception TBH) and the majority of people who have Archoria at NP >2 are minuscule, relatively. People were allowed to get NP5 Kuro for free just via gameplay, while other had to whale hard to even get one Archoria, unless you're disgustingly lucky or have an oil pipe going through your house. I mentioned the 'Limited' part because you were guaranteed to get a maxed Kuro if you work for it in the time she was available, while the same can in no way be said for Archoria. Finally on that point, i guess i should've said "fully-grailed Kuro", instead of just "grailed". Lvl 90 Archoria vs 90 Kuro wasn't the comparison i meant in my original post. I dunno what NP fund is, but, regardless of amount of hits, one can easily get her NP back to full bar with even an NPQAEX chain, but I haven't seen any of that with Kuro. Artoria gets an automatic, free and fixed 20-40% recharge (refund) on her NP after firing it depending on NP level, regardless of what comes after in the chain. It's the reason why she can get a full bar immediately despite her numbers not adding up to it. Kuro would be able to get 40-80% back with an NPAAEX chain with no gain buffs, depending on the enemy. And yeah, Artoria can fire it faster, and i did say that, but my point was that Kuro usually hits harder, making up for that difference. BTW lvl 90 Kuro deals 220,370 damage, which is still higher than NP1 Artoria :p Yes, the third skill is pretty good, but it's cool down is 6 turns. Why wait a whole six turns for such a boost when Artoria can easily get that, depending on how lucky you are, between 1 or 2 turns? Plus, Kuro's 2nd skill only lasts for 1 turn, whereas both Artoria's first and last skill for 3 turns, meaning that Artoria has the potential to spam her NP at full power 3 turns in a row, which would be stronger than Kuro's still.(taking into account my earlier statement) Discarding my earlier statement, Artoria's is still better because she can spam her NP at lvl 1 several times in the time it takes Kuro to get to 300% or refill her NP bar. When everything aligns perfectly, yeah, Artoria can use her NP multiple times in a row., but that's usually not how things end up. Unless you solo with her, you won't ever fire her NP 3 times in a row, due to RNG algorithm ensuring you don't get multiple Brave Chains one after another. Kuro can't get her NP up as fast as Artoria, but she usually doesn't need to thanks to RNG working against Artoria's chances. Kuro's skill is a poor man's NP refund, true, but it helps her catch up with no automatic refund. It charges a whopping 50%, but once every 6 turns, unlike Artoria's 20-40% after every NP fired. Well you could say the same about JAlter and other similar servants, to be fair. More over, if it's her 3rd skills attack + crit gen, then I'd say they would benefit. This will be especially useful in turns where her cards don't show up as it can produce crits in preparation for more NP gain attacks the next turn. Well, for J. Alter's case, her buff is significant enough, it's worth the risk to run her with other heavy hitters, like any of the Artorias for example. A 40% attack buff for 3 turns every 5 is nothing to sneeze at. For Artoria, 18% is just not worth it. It's nice to have, i guess, but i wouldn't care if it wasn't. For her other skill, meh TBH. Excluding all non-male Servants is needlessly limiting and the increase is not significant enough to make a party around that effect for her to utilize. Nothing to say here apart from maybe you mean 'Knight's Pride'? :P I mean, if we're going to compare bond CEs which take time and effort, we might as well compare NP 5 Artoria too. I don't really care much for this part, tbh, as an advocate of the not-usage of bond-CEs. Ah, right. At first, i thought the same as you, but i changed my mind because anyone who has the Servants can work enough to get the bond CEs, so if they're gonna be there at some point, we night as well look at them and what they add. It's not the same as including NP5 Artoria, because no matter how much i grind I'll never be able to reach that ;_;. And if by 'beating her in some areas' you mean 'beating her in one or possibly two areas Artoria Archer was never meant for', then sure, sure. Kuro and Artoria Archer serve the same niche, though. They're Archers, NP spammers with Arts NPs and the numbers to facilitate it. The fact that they aren't identical doesn't mean that they're meant for different things, they just use slightly different methods to reach the same goal. Kuro uses her hit count, skills, QQAAB card set, Arts NP and crits to spam NP. Artoria uses her hit count, QQAAB card set, Arts NP and NP refund to spam NP. Pair them with each other and just look how well they play together thanks their identical card sets. Heck, Kuro would generate a lot of stars for her too. NP for days. And support lists are an amazing miracle of the universe. With a whale like Gen-kun in your list(maybe not even up to Gen-kun's awesomeness), that Kuro essentially becomes obsolete. And higher party cost? By 3? That really matters here? Because I don't think it does. If you were to use Artoria Archer, you'd be unlikely to use all of the rest of your backrow - one can easily get past any cost problems. And, again, it's way easier to get her to do more damage, I mean you simply need 100% Artoria to do a heck of a lot more than 100% Kuro. And 100% Artoria is far easier to get to. Seems to me that Kuro is the one who is more difficult to get to do as much damage. Isn't that the same reason why people criticize Appmedia's list? If everyone can have Merlin as support, then all Buster Servants are better by default, right? Not everyone is a whale, and unless i see all Servants in my support list be at NP5, that argument is not valid. Cost absolutely matters, because the vast majority of 4* and lower CEs in the game are shit. I sure hope by "100% Artoria" you're not including her NP5 too, because putting "easy" and "gacha rates" in the same sentence should be punishable by the law >:[ Seriously though, getting a 100% Kuro is SO MUCH easier to get thanks to the free NP5 and she'd still deal more damage than lvl 100 NP1 Artoria. When comparing gameplay to gacha in terms of ease of acquiring things, i don't think it should even be discussed. Nice try m8, but I've see through that sophistry. :^) You're just jealous because your waifu doesn't have dat sick tan :p All you post has proved to me is how much better Artoria truly is, tbh. Come on, that's the ahoge-loving side of you talking. Seriously though, they're both quite amazing and if you see Artoria as superior, you can definitely back up the argument. It's just mind blowing to think that Kuro was just handed to us without having to sell our kidney/s to get such a robust character, compared to Artoria. Kuro was just a lot easier to max and that guarantees that her maximum potential is her standard potential for the vast majority of people, which can't be said for Artoria. |
astroprogsMay 19, 2017 11:09 AM
mira-pyon said: Nyarlathothep said: Weeeell, since I'm bad at details like this, I think I should just get rid of as much as I can xD I'm still thinking about what team I could chose for that, I read people saying we need Art team so Mashu and Merlin are obligatory. Thinking of adding Orion and Vlad, thus. Only 4 remaining days, I hope it'll be enough for me to get BB and her Ascension items. Well the translations are here in order. Tho they will also be in the wikia. The ones I don't suggest removing include: -Remove Quick Damage Resist +50% Buff -Remove Buster Damage Resist +50% Buff -Reduce Buster Resistance by 20% -Reduce Quick Resistance by 20% -Reduce HP Recovery Rate by 50% -Can Use Revive with Command Seals or Quartz (Unlocks after all other purchases) -Remove -10 Critical Stars per turn effect -Remove Stun Resist +50% Buff For an Arts team which capitalises on shields/defence, these are pretty useless. And taking these out should wittle the cost to about 28000 KP. Shanks a lot ! Since I had about 30000 KP, I could remove a bit more than what you suggested :) I'm thinking of completing the team with Kerry and Helena |
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Nyarlathothep said: Shanks a lot ! Since I had about 30000 KP, I could remove a bit more than what you suggested :) I'm thinking of completing the team with Kerry and Helena If you're gonna use Merlin, it's best if your heavy hitter has a single-target Buster NP (oh and remove the Buster debuffs on Kiara instead, if you do). If you have none, then i guess Kerry is the next best thing. If you end up using him though, remove the Quick and stars debuff ones, in addition to the Arts. Also, do you have Steel Training? If you do, equip your heavy hitter with it. It'll help a lot. |
But that isn't even turf, is it? I mean, 100% vs 300%. Kuro's is the more unrealistic. :P When everything aligns perfectly, yeah, Artoria can use her NP multiple times in a row., but that's usually not how things end up. Unless you solo with her, you won't ever fire her NP 3 times in a row, due to RNG algorithm ensuring you don't get multiple Brave Chains one after another.. I've gotten those types of Brave chains several times, tho. I mean, the NPAAEX or NPQQEX(e.t.c) two rounds in a row. And yes you can fire her NP 3 times in a row, but everything is naturally circumstantial. Well, for J. Alter's case, her buff is significant enough, it's worth the risk to run her with other heavy hitters, like any of the Artorias for example. A 40% attack buff for 3 turns every 5 is nothing to sneeze at. For Artoria, 18% is just not worth it. It's nice to have, i guess, but i wouldn't care if it wasn't. For her other skill, meh TBH. Excluding all non-male Servants is needlessly limiting and the increase is not significant enough to make a party around that effect for her to utilize. Well there's a reason I said 'and other similar servants'. Also I can see neither Jeanne nor the dragon-type servants surviving long enough for some real fun in that situation... And w/o dragon servants, that skill is just the 20%, which I guess you wouldn't care for? And I didn't mean making a whole party around it, lol. It's generally a nice side-skill to have, like you said. Also it's about the pile-up, not simply the one skill. This skill that you wouldn't care much about is still the one that would bump the NP 1 damage up by ~26k. At first, i thought the same as you, but i changed my mind because anyone who has the Servants can work enough to get the bond CEs, so if they're gonna be there at some point, we night as well look at them and what they add. Well I have Herk's bond CE and I never use it. There are also better alternatives to bond CEs in general. Kuro's is good, I guess, but it can easily be rendered obsolete by a better Knights Pride. they just use slightly different methods to reach the same goal. Well, yeah, that was kinda what I was hinting at. Admittedly, it wasn't very clear. I meant that Artoria simply doesn't rely on crits for NP gain so it's not like the fact that Kuro, who does rely on crits, has a better crit set actually matters. That's what I was getting at. Isn't that the same reason why people criticize Appmedia's list? If everyone can have Merlin as support, then all Buster Servants are better by default, right? Well, no, there will still be an hierarchy. 1 + 20 = 21. But 10 + 20 = 30. 10 is still far better than 1; the ground has just been raised higher. Makes no real difference, especially when we're getting harder quests. Not everyone is a whale, and unless i see all Servants in my support list be at NP5, that argument is not valid. Same argument can be said for Kuro. Not everyone's going to lvl 90 - 100 her. And the majority of people won't go full 300% on her NP gauge. I sure hope by "100% Artoria" you're not including her NP5 too, because putting "easy" and "gacha rates" in the same sentence should be punishable by the law >:[ Except it's probably easier to simply save up quartz than to grind a whole event. Seriously though, getting a 100% Kuro is SO MUCH easier to get thanks to the free NP5 and she'd still deal more damage than lvl 100 NP1 Artoria. When comparing gameplay to gacha in terms of ease of acquiring things, i don't think it should even be discussed. It's just mind blowing to think that Kuro was just handed to us without having to sell our kidney/s to get such a robust character, compared to Artoria. Kuro was just a lot easier to max and that guarantees that her maximum potential is her standard potential for the vast majority of people, which can't be said for Artoria But it isn't. She's welfare, but you're really underestimating events. I say this as an AssassinShiki-less player who had a lvl 70 NP 2 Nobu for the majority of my game time. Events aren't this easy things you seem to outline. And, for new players, in no way was getting a lvl 80 NP 5 Kuro as easy as you make it out to be. I've seen many people who don't have a Rider Kintoki, for example, and I'm sure many others have missed many welfare servants, including Kuro. I very highly doubt the majority of players have Kuro, considering all the circumstances stacked against them. And at least there's another chance of getting an Artoria Archer. And if you personally have neither, considering Artoria is still Artoria, I assure you, many many people will have rolled for her, whales and normies alike. Although GO may or may not have changed this, she's still been Type Moon's cash cow for ages. Take that into account, and it's very unlikely to not find an NP 1 - 2 Artoria in your support list somewhere. It's not like vastly better Archers have come out after her either. On the contrary, people are less likely to put out lvl 80/90 Kuro because she is a welfare and welfares simply don't look attractive on support lists, most of the time, when you can have a good 5* there instead. There's some realism for ya. And, again, the 300%? Who really has time to regularly do that each battle? Kuro is built for NP spam, according to you, so going that far is simply a waste. Again, in the time you can full NP gauge Kuro, that is 240k dmg, you can do up to(and maybe more) 170k * 3 dmg w/ Artoria Archer NP 1. One is clearly better than the other. Don't straight-up assume everyone's going to go that far. After all, you want to 'reflect the realistic case of people', right? Hardcore gamers will be the minority, and people who are wanting to get to the story or through the event quickly will want their quick and easy NP spammer whose NP gauge they don't need to get to 300% to deal worthy damage. You're just jealous because your waifu doesn't have dat sick tan :p You know, there's this FZ doujin with gyaru Artoria who has tanned skin and it would be perfect for this, but I can't find it, lol. Come on, that's the ahoge-loving side of you talking. As much as I love that ahoge, this love doesn't tend to influence my usage of a servant. Though, I have to admit, I'm a huge fan of blue so Archer Artoria's set simply looks more appealing to me. Her sprite is also cuter. :^) Seriously though, they're both quite amazing and if you see Artoria as superior, you can definitely back up the argument. Yes, they're both great, but Artoria is still vastly better rawly. And that was my point. Because she ISN'T Flat out better than Archoria when grailed. Certainly not 'flat out'. She needs the fact that 'most' people have her at NP 5 and an Artoria who is NP 1 to even come close to beating her. Which was my point. Meaning Artoria is flat-out better than her, but is limited by, well, being a limited SSR. *Essentially, I understand that we're comparing two different states, but my peeve was that you used 'flat-out' which suggests raw awesomeness. But that's incorrect because in raw awesomeness Artoria is better. |
mira-pyonMay 19, 2017 1:12 PM
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astroprogs said: Nyarlathothep said: Shanks a lot ! Since I had about 30000 KP, I could remove a bit more than what you suggested :) I'm thinking of completing the team with Kerry and Helena If you're gonna use Merlin, it's best if your heavy hitter has a single-target Buster NP (oh and remove the Buster debuffs on Kiara instead, if you do). If you have none, then i guess Kerry is the next best thing. If you end up using him though, remove the Quick and stars debuff ones, in addition to the Arts. Also, do you have Steel Training? If you do, equip your heavy hitter with it. It'll help a lot. The team I have in mind for now is : At first Vlad Zerker with Mashu and Support Merlin, then Orion + Kerry + Helena. So I guess Vlad will be the heavy hitter Thanks for the advice, I'll equip Vlad with that, then :) |
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NyarlathothepMay 19, 2017 4:51 PM
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Using outdated image because maintenance but Man, Artoria is so good that I can actually use Black Grail effectively with NP spam with added bonus of lowering enemy NP gauge. You're missing out if you're using grailed Kuro. |
| I really love how you can effectively shut down a boss from using their NP when you make Artoria squirt massively each turn with the right support from her team mates. Hell put in Master support and make it a grand foursome. |
GenkiiMay 19, 2017 6:51 PM
ShinsoPriest said: Using outdated image because maintenance but [im g]http://i.imgur.com/V8DGcfp.png[/img] Man, Artoria is so good that I can actually use Black Grail effectively with NP spam with added bonus of lowering enemy NP gauge. You're missing out if you're using grailed Kuro. Genkii said: I really love how you can effectively shut down a boss from using their NP when you make Artoria squirt massively each turn with the right support from her team mates. Hell put in Master support and make it a grand foursome. These guys get it! :^D Nyarlathothep said: The number of turns it took me to beat Kiara ... [i mg]https://media.giphy.com/media/BVlWY2vMZgLG8/giphy.gif[/img] OMG So perfect Edit : Maintenance? It seems I finished it at the right moment This is actually a pretty good time. With the team you went with, I expected far longer, lol. |
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| @mira-pyon But that isn't even turf, is it? I mean, 100% vs 300%. Kuro's is the more unrealistic. :P And the majority of people won't go full 300% on her NP gauge. And, again, the 300%? Who really has time to regularly do that each battle? Kuro is built for NP spam, according to you, so going that far is simply a waste. Again, in the time you can full NP gauge Kuro, that is 240k dmg, you can do up to(and maybe more) 170k * 3 dmg w/ Artoria Archer NP 1. One is clearly better than the other. Don't straight-up assume everyone's going to go that far. After all, you want to 'reflect the realistic case of people', right? Hardcore gamers will be the minority, and people who are wanting to get to the story or through the event quickly will want their quick and easy NP spammer whose NP gauge they don't need to get to 300% to deal worthy damage. It's 100% vs 100%. Damage depends on the NP level, not its overcharge. The overcharge only affects the NP's secondary effect. I've gotten those types of Brave chains several times, tho. I mean, the NPAAEX or NPQQEX(e.t.c) two rounds in a row. And yes you can fire her NP 3 times in a row, but everything is naturally circumstantial. Ah derp, i meant 3 Brave Chains to continuously fire her NP because unless you have 2 or less Servants on the field, 3 Brave chains in a row for one Servant is impossible. The game is hard-coded to not let that happen. You can absolutely fire 3 NPs in a row, if RNG is n your side, yeah. Well there's a reason I said 'and other similar servants'. Also I can see neither Jeanne nor the dragon-type servants surviving long enough for some real fun in that situation... And w/o dragon servants, that skill is just the 20%, which I guess you wouldn't care for? I only talked about J. Alter because the benefit of the party buff for the other servants is more subjective due to its generally low percentage. J. Alter in particular is different because her buff to Dragon Servants is ridiculous and the Dragon Servants are mostly great heavy hitters, making that buff even better. 20%, like with Artoria, is nice to have, but yeah, i wouldn't care nearly as much if that's all it had to offer. J. Alter's damage is high enough and her kit is versatile enough, it becomes totally viable to roll her out with other heavy hitters because it'll get things done much faster compared to the regular Waver/Merlin strategy. And I didn't mean making a whole party around it, lol. It's generally a nice side-skill to have, like you said. Also it's about the pile-up, not simply the one skill. This skill that you wouldn't care much about is still the one that would bump the NP 1 damage up by ~26k. It's far from being reliable due to its limit, is what I'm saying. It's definitely nice to have around, but i wouldn't factor it in my party composition. It's just almost never worth it. The same can't be said for, say again, J. Alter because it's a high direct attack buff to a large group of heavy hitters. Well I have Herk's bond CE and I never use it. There are also better alternatives to bond CEs in general. Kuro's is good, I guess, but it can easily be rendered obsolete by a better Knights Pride. While i absolutely agree with your general stance towards bond CEs, the example you gave is just incorrect. Kuro's CE is objectively better than Kight's pride because it's not only party wide, its demerit is much lower and it's exclusive to just one Servant. Now pair up Kuro (w/ 30% party crit up bond CE), Jack (w/ 25% party crit up bond CE) and J.Alter (w/ Knight's Pride), sit back and sip your drink as you completely and utterly break the game. Well, yeah, that was kinda what I was hinting at. Admittedly, it wasn't very clear. I meant that Artoria simply doesn't rely on crits for NP gain so it's not like the fact that Kuro, who does rely on crits, has a better crit set actually matters. That's what I was getting at. I included it in my comparison because if Artoria did have the kit to do it well, she wouldn't even need a Brave Chain to spam NPs and there'd be no reason to compare the two because Artoria would just win. Crits are important for both the extra damage and how much it helps generate NP, so it's relevant if we're discussing overall damage potential and NP-spamming speed for both. Well, no, there will still be an hierarchy. 1 + 20 = 21. But 10 + 20 = 30. 10 is still far better than 1; the ground has just been raised higher. Makes no real difference, especially when we're getting harder quests. But that's the thing. Assuming everyone would have NP5 Artoria is not a realistic assumption to make. Yes, raw numbers-wise, NP5 Artoria is so much better than Kuro, it's not even funny, but because a few whales have her at NP5 doesn't make that the only standard she should be looked at with. Kuro, however, being a welfare and all, her max state IS the only standard she should be looked at with. More on that below. Same argument can be said for Kuro. Not everyone's going to lvl 90 - 100 her. Well, yeah. I intentionally made the level difference an arbitrary comparison. What i didn't make an arbitrary comparison, though, is the NP level. I had, like everyone in that period, control over how high i wanted Kuro's NP to be. I however, like everyone in that period too, had no control over getting Artoria in the first place, let alone getting her to a higher NP level. Except it's probably easier to simply save up quartz than to grind a whole event. Because gacha rates are known to hand you whatever you want? But it isn't. She's welfare, but you're really underestimating events. I say this as an AssassinShiki-less player who had a lvl 70 NP 2 Nobu for the majority of my game time. Events aren't this easy things you seem to outline. And, for new players, in no way was getting a lvl 80 NP 5 Kuro as easy as you make it out to be. I've seen many people who don't have a Rider Kintoki, for example, and I'm sure many others have missed many welfare servants, including Kuro. I very highly doubt the majority of players have Kuro, considering all the circumstances stacked against them. And at least there's another chance of getting an Artoria Archer. I'm sorry, but getting every single welfare to max is far from being hard or a chore. Actually, now that i think about it, BB is the only one i can describe getting as such because we were required to defeat Kiara to get her and doing that required a lot of grinding. And even then, getting her stuff for ascension and NP5 was really easy. I mean, "Raise BB's bond to level 3" is hardly a requirement. As for the welfare, i don't really like grinding and if a Servant was a pain the ass to get, I'd completely ignore it, and i don't feel we've ever hit that wall yet. And if you personally have neither, considering Artoria is still Artoria, I assure you, many many people will have rolled for her, whales and normies alike. Although GO may or may not have changed this, she's still been Type Moon's cash cow for ages. Take that into account, and it's very unlikely to not find an NP 1 - 2 Artoria in your support list somewhere. It's not like vastly better Archers have come out after her either. On the contrary, people are less likely to put out lvl 80/90 Kuro because she is a welfare and welfares simply don't look attractive on support lists, most of the time, when you can have a good 5* there instead. There's some realism for ya. NP >2 Artoria is just not the norm. This has nothing to do with how much people want her, it's the gacha. I'm not talking about who people would find in their support list, I'm talking about what people actually have because it'd be great if we all had a lot of NP >2 Artorias in our lists, but that's just not happening. Maybe when she gets another rate up and we got more chances and quartz to get her, but as it stands, no, NP >2 Artoria is just not what should expected for now. Certainly not 'flat out'. She needs the fact that 'most' people have her at NP 5 and an Artoria who is NP 1 to even come close to beating her. Which was my point. Meaning Artoria is flat-out better than her, but is limited by, well, being a limited SSR. Alright, i can agree with all that. *Essentially, I understand that we're comparing two different states, but my peeve was that you used 'flat-out' which suggests raw awesomeness. But that's incorrect because in raw awesomeness Artoria is better. I mean, she's a tanned loli with swords You're right, it's not an absolute and cut and dry as i initially suggested. You know, there's this FZ doujin with gyaru Artoria who has tanned skin and it would be perfect for this, but I can't find it, lol. She admittedly looks really good with a tan.  Genkii said: I really love how you can effectively shut down a boss from using their NP when you make Artoria squirt massively each turn with the right support from her team mates. Hell put in Master support and make it a grand foursome. Uhhh, we're still talking gameplay, right? Only 42 using Vlad? That's really good. mira-pyon said: This is actually a pretty good time. With the team you went with, I expected far longer, lol. Same. |
astroprogs said: It's 100% vs 100%. Damage depends on the NP level, not its overcharge. The overcharge only affects the NP's secondary effect. Oh, that's fine then. I didn't realise that. The only servant whose NP damage I actually paid attention to when it was a full gauge was Kin-chan Rider, and I thought it was that the NP damage itself increased, but it seems the overcharge effect was a Quick card buff, lol. Whoops. orz While i absolutely agree with your general stance towards bond CEs, the example you gave is just incorrect. Kuro's CE is objectively better than Kight's pride because it's not only party wide, its demerit is much lower and it's exclusive to just one Servant. Now pair up Kuro (w/ 30% party crit up bond CE), Jack (w/ 25% party crit up bond CE) and J.Alter (w/ Knight's Pride), sit back and sip your drink as you completely and utterly break the game. Key word here is 'better'. A 5* version of Knights Pride may lose the demerit or have a higher buff, is what I'm trying to get at. I had, like everyone in that period, control over how high i wanted Kuro's NP to be. I however, like everyone in that period too, had no control over getting Artoria in the first place, let alone getting her to a higher NP level. Except that's incorrect. Not everyone had control over that. Not everyone is going to be lvl 130 with their own amazing servants like JAlter; and Merlin wasn't even there then. It's absolutely absurd to assume everyone did have control over getting a welfare servant, because they don't. Like I said, there're many circumstances which could cause you to not have a welfare servant. Like simply not being there at the time of event; not being strong enough to finish missions; not having the apples or quartz to grind, e.t.c Sure, you've had pretty good luck with events, but not everyone will. Saying 'she's a welfare' isn't going to suddenly solve every problem. You're right, you don't have control over getting Artoria, but you also don't have control of your phone jacking up, or of sudden business and complications. Of course I can see your point in that the gacha is hell, but circumstances which stop you from getting a welfare can be just as hellish. NP >2 Artoria is just not the norm. This has nothing to do with how much people want her, it's the gacha. I'm not talking about who people would find in their support list, I'm talking about what people actually have because it'd be great if we all had a lot of NP >2 Artorias in our lists, but that's just not happening. Maybe when she gets another rate up and we got more chances and quartz to get her, but as it stands, no, NP >2 Artoria is just not what should expected for now. The amount of people who want her does influence the norm. Gacha hell is gacha hell, but people still want their waifus, regardless of cost. Naturally, people will have a breaking point wherein they stop trying, but if all these people want her really badly, then, depending on resolve, they will use money to get her. But that's support list business, and you're talking the average player's own list of servants, right? Then I don't think you should expect a Kuro there either for reason listed above and more. I don't think any servant should be 'expected' to be in one's list, welfare or not. But you're right, for most players, a NP 5 Kuro is far more likely than NP 2 + Artoria, so there is really no point in continuing this part. >.> She admittedly looks really good with a tan. Very nostalgic image. :^D it becomes totally viable to roll her out with other heavy hitters because it'll get things done much faster compared to the regular Waver/Merlin strategy. The same can't be said for, say again, J. Alter because it's a high direct attack buff to a large group of heavy hitters. I somewhat highly disagree with this, as I've found that taking a team of heavy-hitters with no form of healer to a boss battle is suicide, especially when the main attraction is JAlter, the suicide bomber who relies on her teammates to keep her alive. But I'm sure that's not what you meant exactly and this is a different discussion anyway. <.< As for the party composition, I feel like this is becoming a circle jerk as really we're just admitting the same thing; I don't think anyone would really take the skill into account. >3> Now pair up Kuro (w/ 30% party crit up bond CE), Jack (w/ 25% party crit up bond CE) and J.Alter (w/ Knight's Pride), sit back and sip your drink as you completely and utterly break the game. Yeah, that does sound like fun.... Shame I only have one bond CE ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Alright, i can agree with all that. My job here is done, then. :^) Side note: The Mody Dick(?) image gives me Re:Zero PTSD. |
mira-pyonMay 20, 2017 5:19 AM
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mira-pyon said: Nyarlathothep said: The number of turns it took me to beat Kiara ... [i mg]https://media.giphy.com/media/BVlWY2vMZgLG8/giphy.gif[/img] OMG So perfect Edit : Maintenance? It seems I finished it at the right moment This is actually a pretty good time. With the team you went with, I expected far longer, lol. You guys underestimate Vlad : He saved my ass several times when Kiara was about to throw her NP, and still no protection from Merlin or Mashu, then he took some of her NP gauge, which allowed me to get either one's protection next turn and contributed in his NP spam. He's a good Servant imo. Maybe my losing Mashu half-way and fighting with Orion instead contributed to the fight being faster, too. Didn't use Kerry nor Helena |
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Nyarlathothep said: You guys underestimate Vlad : He saved my ass several times when Kiara was about to throw her NP, and still no protection from Merlin or Mashu, then he took some of her NP gauge, which allowed me to get either one's protection next turn and contributed in his NP spam. He's a good Servant imo. Maybe my losing Mashu half-way and fighting with Orion instead contributed to the fight being faster, too. Didn't use Kerry nor Helena Well, every servant is a good servant in general. But people tend to say 'good' relative to other servants of the same level, higher or below. Also, Uncle Vlad aside, the ones I thought would slow you down were Merlin and Mashumallow, but the Orion switch explains it. |
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