Nyarlathothep said: This summer .. Neat. Stoopid question : Waver is a 5*, right? How could it be possible t begin with him, when the Servant we begin with is supposed to be a 4*? @___@ Any other awesome Servant it'd be possible to begin with? No.New players will definitely roll any of the following Servants: Siegfried Le Chevalier d'Eon EMIYA Marie Antoinette Saint Martha Stheno Heracles Tamamo Cat and a 4* star CE. You can roll a 5.You just need luck. I rolled Waver 30 days after I begun FGO. and since then he is the only 5* I rolled twice. |
ssjokg said: Nyarlathothep said: This summer .. Neat. Stoopid question : Waver is a 5*, right? How could it be possible t begin with him, when the Servant we begin with is supposed to be a 4*? @___@ Any other awesome Servant it'd be possible to begin with? No.New players will definitely roll any of the following Servants: Siegfried Le Chevalier d'Eon EMIYA Marie Antoinette Saint Martha Stheno Heracles Tamamo Cat and a 4* star CE. You can roll a 5.You just need luck. I rolled Waver 30 days after I begun FGO. and since then he is the only 5* I rolled twice. That's what I thought. On my first account, I began with the Chevalier d'Eon As for my luck .. I'll see in a few days if I have some remains of this or if my luck is really as shitty as I think it is (In which case, I shall roll for Angra Mainyu) xD |
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ssjokg said: Nyarlathothep said: This summer .. Neat. Stoopid question : Waver is a 5*, right? How could it be possible t begin with him, when the Servant we begin with is supposed to be a 4*? @___@ Any other awesome Servant it'd be possible to begin with? No.New players will definitely roll any of the following Servants: Siegfried Le Chevalier d'Eon EMIYA Marie Antoinette Saint Martha Stheno Heracles Tamamo Cat and a 4* star CE. You can roll a 5.You just need luck. I rolled Waver 30 days after I begun FGO. and since then he is the only 5* I rolled twice. >Implying Strongest Greek Hero-kun isn't sugoi |
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ssjokg said: Not when starting with him, in this game. What are you saying, Greek. Where is your patriotism. astroprogs said: I remember early-game favoring survival over power. It's the meta where Jeaane was where Merlin is now. Herc was really tricky to use and often got stomped fast without equipping Kaleido on him to get at least one NP out before he kicks it. Although, from the list of those 4*s you can start with, he's the best followed by Martha and Emiya. astroprogs said:  I just got this card. It's a broken piece of shit and i love it so much. I guess it's what's to be expected from a card with Zelretch's face on it. Fun times. Tho I never got into Jannu and Swallow Destructor much as Busters were so much more fun to use at the start of the game. Hence, I mostly used Berserkers and double Buster people like Tamacat and Lily. I don't think I used Tamacat much tho; I only remember her becuz of the amount of times I died by her hands. |
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| What astro said. trying to survive isnt fun at the beginning of the game. And I cant believe I am saying that but I am more tempted by Santa Alter's figure. |
-Mahesvara said: I don't really do figures, since they're wallet breakers, but this really temps me.... My wallet is ready...!! |
ssjokg said: What astro said. trying to survive isnt fun at the beginning of the game. B-but steamrolling! And I cant believe I am saying that but I am more tempted by Santa Alter's figure. You are one of us now. :^) |
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Genkii said: Its hard to resist tight tits sensei.-Mahesvara said: I don't really do figures, since they're wallet breakers, but this really temps me.... My wallet is ready...!! Bride's new animations are amazing btw. |
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ShinsoPriest said: Eventually. It looks like one of the few accounts I could use. If the CCC event was going on now, I'd max ascend them all during the event, like I did with the Hijikata account.If only it had the resources to make use of them to the fullest Alas. No need to be so pessimistic. Other than it being my 14th Nero Bride. |
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| Damn Hassans cutting onions. Emiya is the mom into cooking, not you dammit. Gilgamesh "Hah! No need to worry, it's just a fatal wound!" :'( :'( :'( So, I finished reading Babylonia's story and it made me think about something (But it's probably a stoopid thought). It's mentioned that the seven Grand Servants can beat Tiamat so King Hassan helps a lot when he comes along. But the one giving her the final blow is not King Hassan, it's Gilgamesh in his Archer form. Does that mean that Gilgamesh is Grand Archer ? |
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mira-pyon said: I haven't finished reading Babylonia(becuz I'm a lazy ass) but... Nyarlathothep said: It's mentioned that the seven Grand Servants can beat Tiamat so King Hassan helps a lot when he comes along. But the one giving her the final blow is not King Hassan, it's Gilgamesh in his Archer form. Does that mean that Gilgamesh is Grand Archer ? No. If only because we haven't had any confirmation. Plus, he's probably there because it's his turf and changed because he may feel stronger or more comfortable in Archer form. But take that with a grain of salt because it's just meta logic. ------- Speaking of Babylonia, Merlin and Archer Arty made the last few fights a breeze. I hope I can pull them again in the NA version. Well, at least there we know they're definitely coming and when they're coming so can save quartz in advance, which is a good thing. :^D But besides for King Hassan, do we have any confirmation of any other Servant being Grand Servant? For Grand Archer, I don't really see any better candidate than Gilgamesh, particuarly as in the game, almost all Servants are Weak to Enuma Elish and he's the oldest Hero. Not that we know qualifications for that. I need to read the story more to know more about that. |
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Nyarlathothep said: But besides for King Hassan, do we have any confirmation of any other Servant being Grand Servant? Grands have been confirmed to just be the strongest servants of their respective time period with a few other factors beeing there, like Clairvoyance for GC. It's not that exclusive. According to Gil it's mainly the container. Sort-of. Merlin likes calling himself Grand Caster. Gil Caster, Solomon, Merlin all have(in Solomon's case 'had') the qualification to be summoned in the Grand Caster container. There are multiple Grands in each class, too. Goetia was a fake. Nyarlathothep said: For Grand Archer, I don't really see any better candidate than Gilgamesh, particuarly as in the game, almost all Servants are Weak to Enuma Elish and he's the oldest Hero. Not that we know qualifications for that. I need to read the story more to know more about that. a) I think that's because it's Ea, not because it's Gil. I mean, sure, if the qualification for a Grand Archer is having an ultra-powerful staff. Which I doubt. b) Again, if the qualification for GA is being an old hero. Which I doubt. I doubt Gil is GA, simply because he is barely an archer - that is, a bow and arrow user. In the case of GC, GoA said: Clairvoyance - the ability of the eyes to remain in one place while seeing through to another. Since ancient times, greater beings had left the earth in the care of shamans who utilised this power to safeguard the lives of men. Even the greatest of magi - holding the thickest of Magic Circuits and capable of conducting the most powerful of rituals - would not be considered an epitome of thaumaturgy without this 'sight.' Merlin possessed such eyes with which to see through the world. He was born with a sense of sight that allowed him to perceive any and all things in existence within his era, down to the smallest of details, without needing to take a single step. Some Magi older than him even possessed eyes which could perceive into the past, or the future. Of course, they were also considered at the zenith - but the only living Magus who possessed clairvoyance was Merlin. The previous holders had brought annihilation to their own realm and disappeared from the world of men. To 'know' is simultaneously the lowest and the greatest accomplishment of thaumaturgy; thus, those Magi born in possession of clairvoyance had at the same time reached the truth of the world - becoming heretics of humanity itself who never managed to gain their philosophies and perspectives. Clairvoyance is greatly overplayed as something only belonging to the best of the best magi. Hence, it fits perfectly with the idea of a Grand Caster. I'd assume the qualifications for being a Grand Archer would tie into archery and archers in the same way. Eh, where? |
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mira-pyon said: Nyarlathothep said: For Grand Archer, I don't really see any better candidate than Gilgamesh, particuarly as in the game, almost all Servants are Weak to Enuma Elish and he's the oldest Hero. Not that we know qualifications for that. I need to read the story more to know more about that. a) I think that's because it's Ea, not because it's Gil. I mean, sure, if the qualification for a Grand Archer is having an ultra-powerful staff. Which I doubt. b) Again, if the qualification for GA is being an old hero. Which I doubt. I doubt Gil is GA, simply because he is barely an archer - that is, a bow and arrow user. mira-pyon said: I'd assume the qualifications for being a Grand Archer would tie into archery and archers in the same way. It reminds me of .. Why is he an Archer class, again? LOL mira-pyon said: Nyarlathothep said: But besides for King Hassan, do we have any confirmation of any other Servant being Grand Servant? Grands have been confirmed to just be the strongest servants of their respective time period with a few other factors beeing there, like Clairvoyance for GC. It's not that exclusive. According to Gil it's mainly the container. Sort-of. Merlin likes calling himself Grand Caster. Gil Caster, Solomon, Merlin all have(in Solomon's case 'had') the qualification to be summoned in the Grand Caster container. There are multiple Grands in each class, too. Goetia was a fake. In the case of GC, GoA said: Clairvoyance - the ability of the eyes to remain in one place while seeing through to another. Since ancient times, greater beings had left the earth in the care of shamans who utilised this power to safeguard the lives of men. Even the greatest of magi - holding the thickest of Magic Circuits and capable of conducting the most powerful of rituals - would not be considered an epitome of thaumaturgy without this 'sight.' Merlin possessed such eyes with which to see through the world. He was born with a sense of sight that allowed him to perceive any and all things in existence within his era, down to the smallest of details, without needing to take a single step. Some Magi older than him even possessed eyes which could perceive into the past, or the future. Of course, they were also considered at the zenith - but the only living Magus who possessed clairvoyance was Merlin. The previous holders had brought annihilation to their own realm and disappeared from the world of men. To 'know' is simultaneously the lowest and the greatest accomplishment of thaumaturgy; thus, those Magi born in possession of clairvoyance had at the same time reached the truth of the world - becoming heretics of humanity itself who never managed to gain their philosophies and perspectives. Clairvoyance is greatly overplayed as something only belonging to the best of the best magi. Hence, it fits perfectly with the idea of a Grand Caster. Scatty? I think I saw this somewhere, but could you please elaborate So, it's a special skill that made one be qualified as Grand in his category. Do we know what makes King Hassan Grand Assassin? In the story, it's just said that he's the incarnation of Death, apparently. So, a Grand Servant would incarnate the most important part of his class, maybe. With Ea, maybe Gilgamesh could be Grand Saber : Didn't Okita (Or another Servant? Forgot) say that to be a Saber, you need to shoot lasers? Ea shoots the most powerful one :v Jk. |
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ssjokg said: Wasnt it Strange Fake? I don't keep up to date with that, but I'd assume BL(+Reddit) would flip if such a reveal was made. Well, iirc, to be in the Archer class you simply need to shoot projectiles of some sort, rather than arrows specifically. Nyaruko said: So, it's a special skill that made one be qualified as Grand in his category. Do we know what makes King Hassan Grand Assassin? In the story, it's just said that he's the incarnation of Death, apparently. So, a Grand Servant would incarnate the most important part of his class, maybe. Yeah, I think it would have to do with that. King Hassan is truly the incarnation of a Grim Reaper/Shinigami, who comes to you at your time of death, which really resonates with the idea of an assassin. Nyaruko said: With Ea, maybe Gilgamesh could be Grand Saber : Didn't Okita (Or another Servant? Forgot) say that to be a Saber, you need to shoot lasers? Ea shoots the most powerful one :v Jk. Well, he can't be summoned as Saber anyways, lol. And, actually, Ea doesn't beamu and it's not a sword either. |
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mira-pyon said: Well, iirc, to be in the Archer class you simply need to shoot projectiles of some sort, rather than arrows specifically. He will later be revealed to be the Grand Archer :p I would like to see a collaboration event with JJBA just for that : mira-pyon said: Nyaruko said: So, it's a special skill that made one be qualified as Grand in his category. Do we know what makes King Hassan Grand Assassin? In the story, it's just said that he's the incarnation of Death, apparently. So, a Grand Servant would incarnate the most important part of his class, maybe. Yeah, I think it would have to do with that. King Hassan is truly the incarnation of a Grim Reaper/Shinigami, who comes to you at your time of death, which really resonates with the idea of an assassin. Nyaruko said: With Ea, maybe Gilgamesh could be Grand Saber : Didn't Okita (Or another Servant? Forgot) say that to be a Saber, you need to shoot lasers? Ea shoots the most powerful one :v Jk. Well, he can't be summoned as Saber anyways, lol. And, actually, Ea doesn't beamu and it's not a sword either. In Babylonia, he says that he could be pretty much any class of Servant, though being a Lancer would be more complicated for him. Probably due to his EX luck xD |
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Nyarlathothep said: mira-pyon said: Well, iirc, to be in the Archer class you simply need to shoot projectiles of some sort, rather than arrows specifically. He will later be revealed to be the Grand Archer :p I would like to see a collaboration event with JJBA just for that : Shooting memes. :P Nyaruko said: In Babylonia, he says that he could be pretty much any class of Servant, though being a Lancer would be more complicated for him. Probably due to his EX luck xD Oh, then that's fine. Someone in BL joked that the qualification for Grand Lancer should be jobbing, lol. |
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Frostbite_ said: Well, there's the fact that back then, ruling someone usually meant you owned them. Also, well, he was a king, so why can't he be a Ruler? I... don't think you know that the "Ruler-class" is. Ruler is a class of Servants reserved for those closest to being saints, quality-wise, not the title. It means having almost no desires for one's self, no desires to harm others, and to act solely on faith and good morals. They're meant to work as mediators of Hole Grail Wars, which means they MUST have the personal qualities to rise above it all. The Rulers we have so far are Martha, Amakusa and freaking Jeanne d'arc. What qualities does any of those three share with Gilgamesh? Nasu can't English, but he meant that they "rule" judgments between conflicting parties, while remaining neutral on the deepest psychological level. Ruler = Mediator =/= King. I thinl the Class Card symbolizes that meaning pretty well. |
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astroprogs said: I... don't think you know that the "Ruler-class" is. Ruler is a class of Servants reserved for those closest to being saints, quality-wise, not the title. It means having almost no desires for one's self, no desires to harm others, and to act solely on faith and good morals. They're meant to work as mediators of Hole Grail Wars, which means they MUST have the personal qualities to rise above it all. The Rulers we have so far are Martha, Amakusa and freaking Jeanne d'arc. What qualities does any of those three share with Gilgamesh? Nasu can't English, but he meant that they "rule" judgments between conflicting parties, while remaining neutral on the deepest psychological level. Ruler = Mediator =/= King. I thinl the Class Card symbolizes that meaning pretty well. I guess you could say they're in the...  Class as they straighten things out. :P The card for Ruler is really nice, too. It looks more like Jeanne than Jeanne does. And, wow, 20 years and Nasu still can't English properly. |
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astroprogs said: ...Frostbite_ said: Well, there's the fact that back then, ruling someone usually meant you owned them. Also, well, he was a king, so why can't he be a Ruler? I... don't think you know that the "Ruler-class" is. Ruler is a class of Servants reserved for those closest to being saints, quality-wise, not the title. It means having almost no desires for one's self, no desires to harm others, and to act solely on faith and good morals. They're meant to work as mediators of Hole Grail Wars, which means they MUST have the personal qualities to rise above it all. The Rulers we have so far are Martha, Amakusa and freaking Jeanne d'arc. What qualities does any of those three share with Gilgamesh? Nasu can't English, but he meant that they "rule" judgments between conflicting parties, while remaining neutral on the deepest psychological level. Ruler = Mediator =/= King. I thinl the Class Card symbolizes that meaning pretty well. ..... ....... Safe!!! for a second i though any SJW could become ruler D8 |
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astroprogs said: Frostbite_ said: Well, there's the fact that back then, ruling someone usually meant you owned them. Also, well, he was a king, so why can't he be a Ruler? I... don't think you know that the "Ruler-class" is. Ruler is a class of Servants reserved for those closest to being saints, quality-wise, not the title. It means having almost no desires for one's self, no desires to harm others, and to act solely on faith and good morals. They're meant to work as mediators of Hole Grail Wars, which means they MUST have the personal qualities to rise above it all. The Rulers we have so far are Martha, Amakusa and freaking Jeanne d'arc. What qualities does any of those three share with Gilgamesh? Nasu can't English, but he meant that they "rule" judgments between conflicting parties, while remaining neutral on the deepest psychological level. Ruler = Mediator =/= King. I thinl the Class Card symbolizes that meaning pretty well. Well, Gilgamesh doesn't have a wish to the Grail, as he only wants it because he thinks it's one of his treasures. In current time, he thinks the whole world is his kingdom and in Fate Stay Night, he says to Arturia "I've been bearing the weight of this world since the distant past" : Reference to what happened in Babylonia it seems, but still protective imo. In Unlimited Blade Works, he wants to make a twisted wish because he thinks it's better for the world, if I recall well? Kinda like Amakusa. He has faith in himself (His ego can count for it, right?) and acts upon it, so much that it allowed him to resist all Evils in the World without being corrupted (Or maybe just a little). He also did act for his kingdom without much care about what may happen to himself. As a mediator of the Grail, I'd see him with the mindset : "For this time, I let you mongrels borrow my treasure so entertain I, the King". He's too playful to be a Mediator but he'd still pay attention to danger I guess, though more laid back than Jeanne d'Arc and he'd probably get bored of it. Though, if it's the work given to him .. He's the man who died from overwork ! Him as a Ruler would be interesting to see, I want to see it now o: |
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ssjokg said: Assassin Scathach mentions it.Wasnt it Strange Fake? Nyarlathothep said: Gilgamesh has to be extremely Neutral Good though, and if the Grail is apart of his contents, then he'd want it back, essentially. Amakusa only became a Ruler 1. Because of sheer willpower and 2. It's the only class he fits in, which is why Jeanne is so surprised when she finds out Amakusa is a Ruler, due to his bizzare, cruel methods. But again, for Gilgamesh, it would depend on what age it would be. If it was his older, Caster form then yeah, or his Younger Child form too. His Archer form in FSN/Zero is way more unlikely.astroprogs said: I... don't think you know that the "Ruler-class" is. Ruler is a class of Servants reserved for those closest to being saints, quality-wise, not the title. It means having almost no desires for one's self, no desires to harm others, and to act solely on faith and good morals. They're meant to work as mediators of Hole Grail Wars, which means they MUST have the personal qualities to rise above it all. The Rulers we have so far are Martha, Amakusa and freaking Jeanne d'arc. What qualities does any of those three share with Gilgamesh? Nasu can't English, but he meant that they "rule" judgments between conflicting parties, while remaining neutral on the deepest psychological level. Ruler = Mediator =/= King. I thinl the Class Card symbolizes that meaning pretty well. Well, Gilgamesh doesn't have a wish to the Grail, as he only wants it because he thinks it's one of his treasures. In current time, he thinks the whole world is his kingdom and in Fate Stay Night, he says to Arturia "I've been bearing the weight of this world since the distant past" : Reference to what happened in Babylonia it seems, but still protective imo. In Unlimited Blade Works, he wants to make a twisted wish because he thinks it's better for the world, if I recall well? Kinda like Amakusa. He has faith in himself (His ego can count for it, right?) and acts upon it, so much that it allowed him to resist all Evils in the World without being corrupted (Or maybe just a little). He also did act for his kingdom without much care about what may happen to himself. As a mediator of the Grail, I'd see him with the mindset : "For this time, I let you mongrels borrow my treasure so entertain I, the King". He's too playful to be a Mediator but he'd still pay attention to danger I guess, though more laid back than Jeanne d'Arc and he'd probably get bored of it. Though, if it's the work given to him .. He's the man who died from overwork ! Him as a Ruler would be interesting to see, I want to see it now o: So yeah. Amakusa is a weird example just for the fact he became a heroic spirit through willpower, and the only class he fit was Ruler. Interesting to think about.(He also says it in his interlude as well) |
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| ^ ^ Yeah, the issue here is that he's wayyyy too Chaotic. I also thought that his child self and older self would actually be fitting Rulers since they're wiser than his Archer self, even if as a child he's already too playful. As for the Grail, him wanting it back would mean that he'd pay a huge attention to what happens to it and what people do with this, like things that would be acceptable for him which in a way is what a mediator does. Oh yeah, also thought that Amakusa was a weird choice for a Ruler. So, with willpower as well, Gilgamesh could become a Ruler Servant like his willpower made him become a Caster :p How come the only class he fits in is Ruler class? I don't remember this part o: |
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Nyarlathothep said: It's the fact he shouldn't qualify for Ruler at all. How come the only class he fits in is Ruler class? I don't remember this part o: Amakusa Shirou In any case, it is completely contradictory with the records of this world, so it must have been brought about by some other, impossible process. However, there is no doubt that this is my most useful form to take as a Servant. Originally, I am a third-rate Servant who has no possibility of becoming a Ruler. With effort, I may barely be able to qualify as a Caster. Maybe you can ask Medea to teach you. Maybe you can ask Edison to teach you. [1] Amakusa Shirou Hahahahaha. I am afraid I will die. The Magi of the Age of Gods are rather, well, they like to speed past on a motorcycle while you are still riding a bicycle. Besides, I am more of a spellcaster than a Magus. I cannot perceive Magecraft as they do, only that it is a useful thing to have. Well… I do believe that we have other Servants who are of the same mindset… [2] Amakusa Shirou Mr Edison… … … I am sorry… a Revelation just came upon me. A vision of my arm undergoing Conceptual Improvement until it became a rocket… And the birth of Shin Amakusa Shirou… Dr Roman But, if you don’t have the qualification to be summoned as a Ruler, then why are you a Ruler now? Amakusa Shirou Ah, the answer is simple. At the Holy Grail War mentioned where I was reincarnated, my Master had deviated from the rules. By right, a Servant is summoned into the eighth class of Ruler to mediate the Holy Grail War. Thus, the Master of Ruler is the Holy Grail itself, and a Ruler is expected to take a neutral stance. My Master attempted to summon a Ruler for the sake of victory, however. In a normal Holy Grail War, the summoned Ruler holds Command Spells against all participating Servants. These are powerful tools, with which one can even force Servants to commit suicide. As such, the act of making Ruler your familiar may well be equivalent to winning the Holy Grail War. That was my Master’s scheme. That was how I was summoned… how I was made to become a Ruler, by foul play. It was likely this incident that allowed me to gain the qualifications to be summoned as a Ruler. Of course, were things not as dire as the reparation of the human order itself, the chances of summoning me would be very low… From his interlude: https://chaldeum.wordpress.com/servant/ruler093/ruler093_interlude1/ |
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| ^ Shanks for the explanation My state atm :  Gilgamesh rate-up : Card Archer turns Gold .. Emiya ... 4 times ! Yay Emiya NP5 -______- Got a 5* card : Arturia. Yay Arturia NP3 =_______________________= I'm surely cursed enough to get Angra Mainyu, that's for sure. |
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You are absolutely correct. SJWs can never be Rulers. They are all about virtue signalling. 'Demonstrating you love or hate something to show off what a virtuous person you are, instead of actually trying to fix the problem and/or believing in it at all.' Movie stars and such comes to mind. To be fair, most people (including us) do this just to raise their appeal for self interest and self gain. astroprogs said: Ruler is a class of Servants reserved for those closest to being saints, quality-wise, not the title. It means having almost no desires for one's self, no desires to harm others, and to act solely on faith and good morals. Also Jeanne is bae. Buff her please. |
GenkiiApr 20, 2017 4:17 PM
| NP3 Gilgamesh. Satisfied. |
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| Would love to go for a NP lvl 2 Gil or a NP lvl 3 Umu Bride, but with only having 45 quartz and 7 tickets at my disposal, i'd rather hold off because there might be very tempting new servants for the CCC colab event and if so i would at least want a shot at them. |
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| I spent all my Quartz and didn't get a single gold servant but for some reason I am not even mad, I guess I just don't give a crap anymore. I just want to jump ship already. |
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Nice. Though it's not worth the extra 50% damage increase for all the quartz spent. It's interesting how NP2 post-interlude is equal to NP5 pre-interlude. |
mira-pyon said: I guess you could say they're in the... Class as they straighten things out. :P The card for Ruler is really nice, too. It looks more like Jeanne than Jeanne does. And, wow, 20 years and Nasu still can't English properly. lol This one never gets old. So true, it's almost like it was made with Jeanne as its sole candidate TBH. Apocrypha added Shirou as a plot twist and GO added Martha only when Scathach was bored lol. Yeah, even to this day, his "western" names are still pretty amazing. Animusphere *snrk*. Nyarlathothep said: Well, Gilgamesh doesn't have a wish to the Grail, as he only wants it because he thinks it's one of his treasures. In current time, he thinks the whole world is his kingdom and in Fate Stay Night, he says to Arturia "I've been bearing the weight of this world since the distant past" : Reference to what happened in Babylonia it seems, but still protective imo. In Unlimited Blade Works, he wants to make a twisted wish because he thinks it's better for the world, if I recall well? Kinda like Amakusa. He has faith in himself (His ego can count for it, right?) and acts upon it, so much that it allowed him to resist all Evils in the World without being corrupted (Or maybe just a little). He also did act for his kingdom without much care about what may happen to himself. As a mediator of the Grail, I'd see him with the mindset : "For this time, I let you mongrels borrow my treasure so entertain I, the King". He's too playful to be a Mediator but he'd still pay attention to danger I guess, though more laid back than Jeanne d'Arc and he'd probably get bored of it. Though, if it's the work given to him .. He's the man who died from overwork ! Him as a Ruler would be interesting to see, I want to see it now o: Here's the thing, Gilgamesh would NEVER not become invested in a Grail War. Wanting to become a good king when he became older and devoting himself to it didn't take away from his own ego or obsession of owning everything. Imagine this scenario: A Master/Servant provokes a Ruler. How would that Ruler act in retaliation if that Ruler was: 1. Jeanne. 2. Any Gil. I imagine Gil not taking kindly to it. There's no scenario where Gil would remain neutral no matter what. There's a reason the only people qualified for Ruler are either saints or so very close to it. There's no version of Gil that can be described as "saintly". Genkii said: Also Jeanne is bae. Buff her please. With how Nasu talked about his desire for this to happen "at some point", I'm not worried that it'll happen "at some point". I'm only worried about how much are they going to buff her. Is she going to get the Waver treatment, or just a throwaway NP interlude, the kind that renders "Vessel of the Saint" worthless. |
astroprogsApr 21, 2017 12:18 AM
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