Micro Game v1: Eeveelution Mafia | Game Over - Town Eevees Win !

coromandel said:
Hey everyone! :3
vote: ironace
are you scum?

coromandel said:

Already? Already caught? :>
It's RVS - random voting stage.

coromandel said:

"Yes I am" = scum replying truthfully, or someone (of any alignment) who's being sarcastic.
ironace didn't really reply to my question directly, so that's a red flag. (=may not want to talk about his alignment)
His reply was more "people are already voting for me?", which sounded a little defensive.
Although I'm not taking this too seriously, it's too early to be certain of anything.

coromandel said:
@ironace
I don't think we've played together before - how much mafia experience do you have?

At first I thought "no way can I find scum this quickly" x3, but his reply does seem pretty suspicious. I should ask this question more often..

coromandel said:

What about logic's tone do you find scummy?

coromandel said:

I think everyone has played at least 1 game here at MS.

coromandel said:

I think I was in that game as well, and Ruu, Luna and me were scum together. Don't remember it well, because of replacements and overall it was a messy (and unsuccessful >.>) game.

hm.. I don't have this problem.

Was that sarcastic, or do you mean it's pretty unlikely to catch scum this way?

coromandel said:

I got a similar vibe, but didn't think it was scummy. You sound a little moody today.

coromandel said:

oh..? :>
I think you misunderstood, because I didn't scum-read you at the beginning.
My vote was random, and I simply asked whether you're scum or not.

coromandel said:
I haven't played in a small game like this in a while. Seems like everyone except Floofs and Abu have posted so far.

lmao, you don't have to! x3

coromandel said:

Day 1 has 48 hours though. There's plenty of time for everyone to settle down.
I'd agree to this (=NL) if we were at the end of D1, with no idea who to lynch. But that's not the case here.
What's the best town strategy for finding scum, in your opinion?

coromandel said:

I get the impression that he doesn't like the attention, but I'm not sure whether that comes from him being scum, or just a newbie who - as someone here mentioned - has been lynched early in another game and is scared that it might happen again.
"If you want a serious reply...your not getting it :p" (from #57)
Still unsure where this refusal is coming from. Part of me is thinking that this wouldn't be a wise scum move - it's a bit like pouring oil into the fire, instead of trying to make people less suspicious.
I disagree with his reasons for supporting no lynch (#76), though.
Overall I'm undecided and I need him to post more - I'm curious what else he's going to do during D1, and how he'll reply to this post.

coromandel said:
@ironace
Btw, why am I not "getting a serious reply"?

"Does scum start off by questioning another player's scum read on someone else? Not unless they're trying to defend a buddy, but I find an ironace/Red_Salmon team unlikely at the moment because probability."
I disagree - scum often defend townies and critize other people's scum-reads, just to later say "I told you so" when they've died. It makes them look innocent. But the truth is, the mafia knows who is town so it's easy for them to town-read others and avoid taking part in a mislynch. It's often townies who are leading the lynches, because they aren't afraid of being on a train. Whereas scum tend to be hesitant because they don't want to be the ones who "lynched a townie".
And what do you mean by "because probability"?

coromandel said:

Why are you uncomfortable with it? Because you think he's low hanging fruit? Or is there another reason?
I never said that I'm 100% sure he's scum, but I've definitely learned something from his replies - that he's being rather defensive. Whether that's because he's a newbie or scum is something I'm curious to find out.

coromandel said:

@logic340
I think you're reading too much into Ruu's #37.

So she hasn't played that game, but what would scum-Ruu gain from lying about this? I think this is NAI.

Not really, there are some parts that feel like they're coming from a town-mindset (refusal to reply looks like stubborn town, because in general, I feel scum are trying to stay on people's good side). But his post about NL seems pretty passive, and I'm sensing a lack of interest when it comes to scum-hunting. I'm still trying to figure him out.
In most of his D1 posts, he's replied to people, but hasn't given much of his own opinion yet (= reads). I want to see what else he's going to do during D1 - if he's going to stay passive, or not. And whether he'll share his reads.
I'm going to keep my vote on him for now, because I'm thinking it might pressure him into becoming more active.

coromandel said:

Tbh, I've only skimmed through Red_Salmon's posts, so far he's giving off neutral vibes.
(I have a tendency of focusing too much on few players >.>)

In Chad's game, RE was really good at blending in and to me she seemed town for the most part (because of how she genuinely seemed to be scum-hunting). So I'm careful with town-reading her now - I disagree with some things she's said, but there's nothing that makes me think she's scum atm, nor do I think she's town. I need more time to analyze her.
The same goes for you - I know you're good at taking the lead and appearing town-ish (it was the same in the game we were scum in together).
Tbh, I need to re-read what's happened so far, I feel like I don't remember much of what Ruu has posted, for example.

coromandel said:

lmao! x3

Then maybe you know who the TPR is in this game?
If it's something else, I have no clue what your hint means.
@Luna
Why does it matter whether ironace has seen your question or not?

I agree with this.
Especially at the beginning of the game - it's different when it's coming from someone who's confirmed as town.

coromandel said:
@Red_Salmon
Is there anyone who seems scummy to you?

You're not alone. :3
Is there anyone you suspect atm?

I don't find no lynch problematic or scummy per se, and one of the reasons why I didn't suspect you in Chad's game because was, that you explained your reasons well and they made sense to me. You also - despite being for NL - questioned people a lot and I could tell you wanted to find out more about other players. But when someone supports NL and additionally doesn't seem very motivated to figure things out, then that's a red flag for me. Pro NL + passive behavior is scummy to me.
That said, I like that ironace has been more active recently.

coromandel said:
@Floofs
Do you suspect anyone so far?

coromandel said:
aww, so cute! x3
That *does* make things easier.

coromandel said:

"they were going after wordplay"
I was interpreting what he said, how is that scummy?
Mafia isn't just about judging someone's reads, looking very closely at how people word things can help catch scum too. Because depending on someone's alignment and their goal, they will use different words. People often - unknowingly - write down their true intentions.
At the same time, I was never 100% sure ironace is scum, but it was worth a shot to ask that question and see how he'd react. I didn't take it 100% seriously, but I got a pretty strong reaction from him at least.

I still don't get what you mean by that, everyone's probability to roll scum is the same imo.
I guess we were seeing things differently, but I'm missing an explanation of why you think me or Luna are scum. It's one thing to disagree, but I don't really get why you're scum-reading us because of this.

I wasn't "creating a scenario", I was asking questions.
And yes, I was questioning his actions, wondering *why* he'd say things and do things the way he did as a townie/scum.
And it's simliar to how I scum-read yurkin D1, because I wanted to understand why yurkin acted this way, to figure out whether her actions were town- or scum-motivated.

coromandel said:

I don't think this is fake. If it was, this game would probably have been labeled as "bastard". It isn't, so I expect Logic to be town.

coromandel said:
What's scummy about Luna? I don't really see it. So what if she posted more fluff than others at the beginning?
She hasn't played in a while and isn't familiar with the playerbase.
The only thing I don't understand is why she's persistent about ironace's FOS question.
I can see myself moving my vote to Floofs or Red_Salmon. I feel like I can't get a good read on them with how little they've said so far. And I'd still like to know RE's reason for suspecting me and Luna, because I only see a case of disagreement, but not a convincing reason for suspecting us.
@Red_Salmon
Why did you unvote earlier?

coromandel said:

I didn't have a very clear idea of what to expect as a reply. But I've seen other players do this sort of thing (Soren, for example), and I thought it was worth a shot. It's not something I took too seriously, but it was RVS and I thought I'd try something new. I didn't expect to get a clear read on ironace afterwards, it was partly a joke too.
But, these sort of questions *can* actually help in finding scum.
Just think about how *you* as a townie, would reply to this question. How that question makes you *feel* when you're town.
Think of someone asking you directly - how would you reply? You probably wouldn't think of it much, that question isn't a big deal when you're innocent.
And then think about the same scenario, with you as scum.
When you're scum, the question seems a lot more uncomfortable, don't you think? And that influences people's replies.

You don't understand it, but how does that make me scum? Or Luna?
And also, what was the probability part about?

"No, I'm town". Would have been that answer.

coromandel said:

+1
The way I see it Luna was just agreeing with me - isn't it my method you're talking about, @ironace?