[Fate/Grand Order] All-around Discussions

mira-pyon said:
As per the usual ritual whenever there is a relatively difficult boss right, Mira has come to ask for help with her servant stash. :D
Help for the 3rd battle.

Frostbite_ said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/5k6itn/solomon_order_boss_battles/

ssjokg said:
Had to use 3 seals for the 3rd battle.


mfw I finished the game with Benkei being last man standing. How the hell did I forgot him in the party?

Anyway, Mashu coming back tolife seems a bit bad.
Pretty sure it was established before that true revival is impossible in Nasuverse.I think it was in Mahoyo.

As for Solomon/Roman.
Isnt it quite bad that he was erased from history?If Okabe taught me one thing is that this is really REALLY bad.
And the Throne of Heroes being affected seems bad to me as well. Writing wise.
It's supposed to exist outside tme axis so that it isnt affected, but now it was directly affected.

ssjokg said:
I see, thanks.

Still, Akasha cherry picking which universe to write down in its records seems a bit off.

KaiserNazrin said:
Guaranteed Gacha seperated by Class coming soon. Seems like limited servants will be included. No more Jeanne spooking your Assassin roll lel. Though I would surely roll for Extra class if Jalter is included. Inb4 NP2 Jeanne...

ssjokg said:
Then that means that the world of Notes can still be saved and the modified humans will somehow defeat the Types and possibly "fixing" Earth, or else the remnants of humanity face extinction.

Am I thinking this wrong?

Umineko said:


The limited part is not confirmed yet. If they don't add limited servants then if you roll for the assassin one you're guaranteed with Jack The Ripper unless they mix assassin class with ruler.

KaiserNazrin said:
Guaranteed Gacha seperated by Class coming soon. Seems like limited servants will be included. No more Jeanne spooking your Assassin roll lel. Though I would surely roll for Extra class if Jalter is included. Inb4 NP2 Jeanne...

ssjokg said:
"It's ok Dad, I am sure Part 2 will fix this."

ShadowfrostZen said:
Astro did you ever look at my vids

Also the first Solomon fight will be up soon(i didn't want to record the others, sorry)

ShinsoPriest said:
Getting a new servant beats getting a higher level NP for a servant you already have imo.

ShinsoPriest said:
Getting a new servant beats getting a higher level NP for a servant you already have imo.

ShadowfrostZen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NFnOx6WOd8&feature=youtu.be
Fight against Solomon, this was take 2 because the first attempt was some bullshit.

mira-pyon said:
As per the usual ritual whenever there is a relatively difficult boss right, Mira has come to ask for help with her servant stash. :D



Help for the 3rd battle.

-Mahesvara said:

You should lock your servants, that could prevent tragedy.

ShinsoPriest said:

>have level 100 NP4 10/10/10 Waifu
>roll the last Waifu needed for NP5
>intend to get perfect NP5 Waifu but through carelessness/tiredness use the wrong one and get level 1 NP2 1/1/1 Waifu

I don't even want to think about it.

Nasu blog
2016/12/26 : Human Foundation Restored

>『Fate/Grand Order』第一部、多くのプレイヤーの戦いによってめでたく完結となりました。
>This is the end of Fate/Grand Order PART ONE

Story for the final chapter remained the same as in the initial planning phase; It was always going to be about Goetia and Roman and Mashu and Fou(r).

Chapter 7's script was done in the first week of October while the final chapter was done in the last, but November was spent putting together Christmas and 7 so they only had one month to actually make the final chapter.

Christmas was in November because Nasu wanted the final chapter to come immediately after 7, even it was dumb from a business POV. They prioritised story over Christmas.

Yeah confirmed nothing for the rest of the year (he says to go collect EXP or something)

He recommends reading the boss materials because they might be relevant.

The final chapter's scenes with the servants showing up: Chapters 2 and 4 were done by Sakurai, 3 and 5 by Higashide. He told them to keep it at 10 kb of text, 15 at most for each chapter with 25 at most for two, but they both gave him 20 kb per chapter. He complained but they pointed out that he said the chapter would be 40 kb then wrote 120 kb.

There is a "yearly item supply", a sort of "item budget" thing, inside the game, which determines drops. They loosened this in the Time Temple so that you can just get all the shit you want. He actually fucking says "just like assets in real life" >現実の資産同様

>There is a "yearly item supply", a sort of "item budget" thing, inside the game, which determines drops.
(Wait what. Drops are artificially limited? They're not by chance?)

He says that while you may think that Ars Armadillo Salmonella may instakill your entire front line, but if you use your experience up to this point there are ways to get past it.
"This is the last battle, don't skimp on the command spells!"

He praises Sugita's performance and how he uses different voices for different demons. He especially likes Goetia who's filled with rage, but this is not the sort of anger that comes from hate but is screaming "why".

He now has Andromalius speaking in his head whenever he buys stuff off Amazon ("Why seek more!?" "Why hoard!?" and not mentioned on the blog but "Dispose of everything unneeded!" is presumably relevant too)

Most of the demons only got emotions at the very end, but Flauros got his emotions very early on. That's why he was able to troll Chaldea while the other demons were mostly machine-like.

That's also why Flauros never excepted their loss, and didn't give up, till the very end (posted this before but he's the last demon to die). He was also the one demon that empathised with Mashu.

Yamanaka Kotetsu was commissioned to do the demons after he did the main visual for the UBW movie.
The designs were perfect so they got him to do Tiamat.

Tiamat is supposed to be the "ultimate form of the Sakura-type character".

There are also rough cuts of a little girl version of the Femme Fatalle, wait for chapter 7's Material.

The reason why Tiamat has 11 Lahums stronger than demons is because they're her equivalent of the demons, but while Goetia has 72 she only has 11 so quality over quantity.

"Thanks, Yamanaka-san! Now all we need to do is wait for Holmes to get in!"

About the OP, Shikisai: When making the song they explained how the story would end to Sakamoto, and she made the song based on the game's themes.
Also, Nasu wrote the plot to FGO while listening to Sakamoto's song Scrap. He thinks Roman's ten years is close to what's depicted in Scrap and actually told Takeuchi that he wanted to use it as FGO's OP, and Takeuchi is the one who said they might as well get her to make an original song.
When commissioning the OP Nasu's requested something like Scrap.

>The story bit at the end
Short story where Guda goes back to their room, has a vision of Roman, and bids him farewell again (also referring to him as "Doctor Romantic").

俺/わたし は 顔を上げて/うつむいて、唇を噛んで、 こみ上げるものを必死に堪えた。

He fits in versions for both genders (俺/ore is presumably Gudao and わたし/watashi is presumably Gudako; "Ore" looks upwards and "watashi" looks downwards as they fight back their tears.

The inside of Chaldea was welling with emotions.

It wasn’t just that we had won the battle and returned alive.

The staff members were made known of the “world’s expansion” by the communications made with the outside world, and were given the mental preparation to welcome the visitors who would be coming henceforth.

The machine set up in the snow mountain was a signaling device, and it was used to send a helicopter to us from the world below.

“Then, Senpai, see you at the lounge one hour later!”

I part ways with Mashu, and walk through the corridors of Chaldea alone.

As I sense human activity from the noises from the control room, my heart calms.

I traverse the pathway with the procedure I got used to in this year, then arrive at my room.

A light sound of air.

The familiar sound of the door to my room opening.

And,

‘Yes, there’s someone in– wait, WHAAAAAT!?

Who on earth are you!? This is an empty room, my place to skip work!?

Who gave you permission to come in here!?’

I hear the sound from a long time ago, when I had yet to know the name.

“——–”

Of course, it is an hallucination, and an illusion.

I had simply misheard the staff members’ laughter from afar as something like that.

I [raise my head / look down, biting my lips,] desperately enduring the things welling up inside.

Goodbye, Doctor Romantic.

May this mishearing turn into something beautiful one day.

ShinsoPriest said:
Finally, my first max bond CE.

ShinsoPriest said:
Finally, my first max bond CE.

Nasu blog
2016/12/26 : Human Foundation Restored

He now has Andromalius speaking in his head whenever he buys stuff off Amazon ("Why seek more!?" "Why hoard!?" and not mentioned on the blog but "Dispose of everything unneeded!" is presumably relevant too)

kei78 said:
Speaking about bond CE,..; what is Merlin's?

astroprogs said:
Mashu wasn't revived because she didn't really die. The thing about Mashu is that she should've died ages ago, as her life force was extinguished and she was only able to continue existing due to the fusion with Galahad, whose mana substited her life force. The more she used Galahad's power, the more she used the mana that was literally keeping her alive. Galahad was quite literally her resuscitation device.
In the final singularity she chose to use her NP to block Solomon's NP to protect the MC, which caused all of her mana; life force, to be drained. What Good Guy Primate Murder did was transfer all of the mana it accumulated over time to substitute Galahad's mana, essentially giving her enough for her body and soul to continue living as much as a normal human body and soul can.

Mashu: ------------

???: ----------
-----Thank goodness. You're still here, Mashu.

???: You were completely obliterated.
You were at the end of your life.

???: Despite that, your conscious is still in this void. Despite that, you still have things to do.

???: That's why I won't say you’ve earned your rest just yet. But I will say bye-bye.

???: I have little time, so I will say it bluntly. I am thinking about bringing you back to life.

???: I possess the principle of "comparison."

???: I am a beast with the property of feeding off the competition and growth of humans, their jealousy and bitterness, and becoming stronger than my opponent,.

???: Cath Palug, a beast of calamity. In another world, I've also been called Primate Murder.

???: I'm a harmless animal as long as I'm not in human society. That's why I was trapped on an uninhabited island.

???: But the magus who was taking care of me was a terrible guy.

???: He chased me out of his comfortable prison tower and let me loose to the outside.

???: ...But thanks to that, I was able to get to Chaldea, where I met you and Gudao.

Mashu: ---You are---

???: You might think I’m being pushy.

???: Then again, that magus did say that you have to be aggressive when performing acts of goodwill, so I will try that.

???: I am going to use up the magic energy I've accumulated over several centuries to create a miracle not even sorcery can achieve

???: Complete resurrection of the dead, though death in the Time Temple isn’t counted in the real world.

???: What I am about to do is transfer the power of my destiny to you. Enough to completely wash out the remaining three days of your life

???: But since I haven't matured yet, I can only make your lifespan the same as any normal person.

???: I'll turn into just a beast when I do this. I will be losing my intelligence and special nature after all.

???: Until now, there had been intent in my actions in your conversations, but they probably will be just the normal cries of an animal from now on.

???: It’s nothing to be upset about. After all, as far as you two are concerned, nothing will change.

??: But, well, I can’t escape the feeling that it will be lonely.
And that's why I just wanted to say farewell to you one last time.

???: Goodbye, Mashu Kyrielight. Your journeys were refreshing to me.

???: So much so that I could retain this form to the end when in most cases I had become something hideous.

Mashu: Wait…
Fou-san....Fou-san!

???: The magus had once said this as he sent Cath Palug off.
"Go seek the beautiful."

???: Yes, I truly did see something beautiful.

???: There are evils that can be defeated without crossing blades, and there are answers that can be reached because no blood was shed.

???: Congratulations, o good folk of Chaldea. The fourth beast has been defeated by you.

ShinsoPriest said:
Finally, my first max bond CE.

belatkuro said:
All I can reason with it is that PM has authority over primates, having the capability to wipe them out. This could include death as well as life of humans. Hence it has the power to revive them. Flimsy but that's my headcanon.

For foreshadowing though, we've seen Fou protect Mashu and Guda in America against Cu Alter's Gae Bolg and had Merlin project himself through him for a short time to talk to Cu Alter. And in Babylonia, we saw Merlin order Fou to evacuate Medusa/Ana to safety, in which it teleported her off. These parts could say that Fou is really not a normal familiar even if he is Merlin's. The revival power did come out of nowhere but Nasu probably wanted a much more happier ending after losing Roman. So there.

kei78 said:


80% of assasin are limited
Mhx
Shu-tan
Cleo
Grand assassin (maybe)

Wdnt mind reinforce squirtoria, Nero Bride, tamamo lancer and J.alter NP
And pulling for scathash

astroprogs said:

Oh, i didn't mean foreshadowing the identity or the motivation, as that was done pretty well IMO, i meant foreshadowing the revival ability. That's why i gave Illya as an example of how her ability to use HF to transport Shirou's soul and how she showcased a version of it in both Fate and HF AND spent a really long scene talking about it which seemed weird at the time as it had no bearing on the plot, as far as we knew, and seemed like just a cool bit of world and character building then.
As for the revival ability in F/GO, it's a deus ex machina if I've ever seen one. It came out of nowhere to save a main character from death and with no explanation as to why PM has it in the first place.
I know that Nasu really likes happy ending and that "people who struggle and try so very hard need to be rewarded by the end" and all that, but it needs to make sense at the very least.

I want to accept your theory, but i hope Nasu goes into more details on the Beasts, their numbering, abilities and state of being in the Nasuverse in the 7th and final chapters materials that are sure to come out pretty soon, or, better yet, he left a lot of that open on purpose, so hopefully we hear more about PM in the second season.

ssjokg said:
So,should I go back to being sad about Nasu's shoehorned happy ending?

ShinsoPriest said:

Well, maybe using massive centuries worth of magical energy just has that effect.

Fate/complete material III said:
Third True Magic: Materialization of the soul, in other words, the magic that realizes true immortality. When accomplished, the practitioner will acquire an unlimited source of magical energy due to the soul becoming analogous to a perpetual motion machine.

astroprogs said:

That is one convenient naturally occurring phenomenon.

Also, i don't think so, it has to be an ability. A weakened PM can't possibly have more mana than a Holy Grail, an almost infinite repository of mana.