RE1031 said: Just so you know, I always vote grapefruit every game. I believe this also game up in twin mafia as well?I have to go soon and won't be back until maybe half an hour (hopefully earlier) before the deadline. I'm sticking with my vote on Oyasumi_Rosie for two reasons in particular: lack of contribution and the vote on Grapefruit. Said this earlier but Grapefruit is an easy lynch target (and it seems CorruptedPurity is as well). Could be nothing, but she hasn't voted for anyone else. |
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logic340 said: Haven't got to the point in my read, sorry.@Crossbell I would also like your thoughts on the grrr train formation and how quickly it happened? grr is a player who is always anti town regardless of alignment though and is a good vig shot since his playstyle makes it impossible to clear him. |
logic340 said: Claire seems to be using her bad logic, but its hard to tell because it's not directed at me. She also stated that she felt bad about going after 'in-active' players, which is a contradiction to her usual "KILL ALL LURKERS" mentality that she had in previous games. Unless... there is some fundamental different between an 'in-active' and a 'lurker' that I am not getting.Oyasumi_Rosie said: Any thoughts on Grapefruti or Claire? You caught scum Claire in twins are you getting any of those vibes here?Sweet, I will met you at the drop off point at D2 As for Grape, tunneling seems to be part of his town meta now, as he has down it in the last three games he was town in with me. I don't see him acting in a way that seems out of order for his town play. But at the same time that can also be said for your and CP's scum play, if we are only basing it of that game. /edit for got a word, added info on grape. |
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followind said: How can u know that power roles simply will come up and tell us who is goodie/baddie? I'd better get some trustful info by ourselves than just hope that it will be easily handed to us._Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites |
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Crossbell said: Fair assessment. I am definitely looking forward to hearing you thoughts on how that formed considering....logic340 said: Haven't got to the point in my read, sorry.@Crossbell I would also like your thoughts on the grrr train formation and how quickly it happened? grr is a player who is always anti town regardless of alignment though and is a good vig shot since his playstyle makes it impossible to clear him. |
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logic340 said: I feel like its harder for me to be unbiased of my reading of those interactions. On one hand I do agree with you, Claire and Grape do seem to have a lot of emotion backing their reason for going after CP and you. At the same time,however, their makes a good deal of sense, esp considering this is only D1. We can only really base our votes on games with have or haven't had with the other players here. So with their actual reasons, emotional or not, they seem sound. Then again, maybe the reason I agree with them is because I was also town in that game. @Oyasumi_Rosie I would really like to hear your thoughts on this game. Preferably Me vs. Claire, Grapefruit/Claire vs. CP, and the quick train the formed on grrr. Also do you have a reads list at this point? A lot of fluffing and you haven't added much else. Hmm... i wouldn't say a train has formed until at least 3 people are on it, but I welcome it? I feel like the conversation has become stangent with emotional interactions of you four, so bring in a new idea seems to be a welcome change. At least it was a new idea brought to the table. Do I read Grrr as scum? No. Do I think he is going to get lynch today? No. But I am still glad that it was brought up. |
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CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: My problem is that you are approaching the attack on grapefruit as showing why they are scum and not determining if they are scum. That's what I've caught from your posts. Also,my current behaviour is not antitown. That was just the gambit I was doing with grapefruit earlier. If you think I am being antitown, can you show why instead of just discrediting me by continuing to throw the word antitown around when it no longer applies to what I am doing? 1)I think that is just a matter of perspective. I think my attack on grapefruit have provoked him (more than I wanted to) and this have helped me draw further evidence of why I think he's scum. Of course I can see your point of view of how I seem to be throwing shade at him but not committing to anything. I don't think I have to ability to change your mind because perspective matters, and you having a different perspective of my actions is good. Just not in the way I wanted it. 2)Perhaps I worded it wrongly, your behavior WAS anti-town. I believe that ever since your ISO on me onwards, you proved to be very pro town and I do respect your decision. It is everything before your ISO on me where you kept hiding your opinions from everyone that I deemed anti-town. I wanted an explanation for that before Grape's relentless assault on me diverted my attention away. Also, even though it's a gambit for grape, it was still anti-town behavior. Not holding you to it, I just didn't see the bigger picture at that point. Even if you lynch me, I ain't mad at you, your argument holds water and it makes sense for you to lynch me. I just didn't think my train would end up like this. Okay, so your concern is that I haven't expressed my opinion in others who to it find suspicious, like grapefruit. I definitely have been keeping to writing posts about you since you are my main suspect so I understand that. The pace of this game is moving quickly enough to generate content, so I'm happy just keeping my thoughts concise and to my point where possible. I haven't forgotten about others, but in a crazy game like this, I find it most effective to develop one train of thought in detail at a time and just keeps notes about the rest which I'll bring up next once my current train of thought either leads to a lynch, ends up switching to a neutral or townlean, or gets trumped by a more pressing train of thought (someone more scummy). |
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_Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I disagree. Grrr will find very specific things to latch onto and sometimes they are surprisingly insightful but they need to be expressed more clearly. Sometimes grrr just has hunches so we need to know which this is. |
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_Claire_ said: logic340 said: Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options? I had something in mind back then, but I can see it isnt working now. It is a very bad phase change for me so I cant do much. I have played with grrr more than a couple of times, and thats what I conclude from him tbh. Also as I have said, he is not his usual town!grrr. Do you remember grrr in Akatsuki no Yona? He came up with a way to mess with the mafia jumper that was a work of art. He was town. When town!grrr gets an idea, he can go from being a coasting/lurking player to a unique perspective for town. |
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logic340 said: I don't like that people are voting him, because it seems like the easiest path. As of now I am neutral toward grrr. The posts he made doesn't move me in any way, looks like grrr being grrr. I don't read deeply into what he said about u or CP as I have seen him doing whatever despite his alignment. So I don't think that we would get much info from this lynch as he didn't participate much in convos (especially in a serious manner). If grrr flips town then we'd see that these voters are 1)mafiosos looking for someone to lynch with minor damage (I mean about their intent/reasoning) 2)townies who don't like the way grrr acts.@amberwillow can you share your thoughts with me on grrr ad how quickly this train has formed on him? As I seee it, for Claire it seems natural to vote grrr, on a level that perhaps it would be susp if she wouldn't even suggest it CP could be either, cuz lynching grrr is a way to save his ass whatever he says. Dunno what to say for followind tho. In case of grrr flipping townie, it would make sence for him to be baddie, but I could as well see a townie being wary of him. So yeah, I don't see how would it help in that case. Of course it would be great if grr would be lynched and flip mafia, but for now I haven't read anything much that would incline to be certain that he is. |
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Crossbell said: logic340 said: I don't know? I've never been in a situation where I've rolled scum successively multiple times with the same people, so I am afraid that I cannot answer this question in much detail.I just finished a game as scum with CP and while I can say there are some similarities I cannot say they definitely point to him being scum here. So I would like to ask you do you think that CP would show me and Claire (two people who were just scum with him) the same trick from his scum bag if he was scum here? When I was in this situation, I kept trying to change my game up each time because I was always under intense scrutiny. 5 scum games in a row. Each one different. |
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logic340 said: Ah, ok, so I interpreted u wrongly there, soz.amberwillow said: The reason I feel that way is due to your interactions with RE. Now obviously I am not 100% on this but it stands to reason with the way you two went at one another that you are not a team putting on theatrics (though I could be wrong). Not saying you cannot both be town, that is not what unaligned pair means, what I am saying is I find it highly unlikely that you two at mafia together. T/S, S/T, or T/T but not S/S.So I am reading this for few pages and am disturbed of this since yesterday (my) evening we with RE for the time being kinda sorted it out about the questions and answers. So, why exactly u say that we with RE can't be of the same alignment? |
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logic340 said: M8, u started it xd that's why I didn't want to focus on RE anymore and go to a hypothesis word when I am not susp of her anymore ;DBut we have a clear example of that happening right here in the thread with grapefruit voting me and Rosie voting Grapefruit. You are going into hypotheticals wehre I can come to any conclusion but the evidence doesn't suggest she did it to not have to answer for it. We can make that conclusion but that is a large jump based on what she posted. S/S = Scum-Scum T/T = Town-Town T/S = Town-Scum Hmmmm *checks the beginning of the day* *check what ya wrote again* I am bit lost, what are u implying? That Rosie and Grape should be checked? |
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amberwillow said: I completely agree. I haven't seen enough to make a determination on grrr either way he would fall under NEI (not enough information) on my read list. Right now he is lynch fodder and LHF (low hanging fruit) due to his play and activity. I found it strange that out of anyone she could pick she chose grrr even over me? I'm not sure about that whole Claire is natural to vote grrr thing....I don't have enough experience with them playing together first game with them Claire tunneled grrr for 3 days but was lyncher and he was her target.logic340 said: I don't like that people are voting him, because it seems like the easiest path. As of now I am neutral toward grrr. The posts he made doesn't move me in any way, looks like grrr being grrr. I don't read deeply into what he said about u or CP as I have seen him doing whatever despite his alignment. So I don't think that we would get much info from this lynch as he didn't participate much in convos (especially in a serious manner). If grrr flips town then we'd see that these voters are 1)mafiosos looking for someone to lynch with minor damage (I mean about their intent/reasoning) 2)townies who don't like the way grrr acts.@amberwillow can you share your thoughts with me on grrr ad how quickly this train has formed on him? As I seee it, for Claire it seems natural to vote grrr, on a level that perhaps it would be susp if she wouldn't even suggest it CP could be either, cuz lynching grrr is a way to save his ass whatever he says. Dunno what to say for followind tho. In case of grrr flipping townie, it would make sence for him to be baddie, but I could as well see a townie being wary of him. So yeah, I don't see how would it help in that case. Of course it would be great if grr would be lynched and flip mafia, but for now I haven't read anything much that would incline to be certain that he is. Not pleased with CP going over there but self preservation is real for both alignments. followind just kind of nowhere with that vote on grrr all of a sudden him and Claire move on to grrr. He talks about getting PR information after grrr flips like he knows grrr doesn't have one? Obviously mafia shouldn't know either but even if a grrr lynch went down today and he flipped scum I am not givning any credit off that flip as thing stand now. CP I am neutral on as I want to see if I notice any scum markers from the game we just finished. I don't see how a grrr lynch helps anything today either he has like 2 interactions so far. Add grr to my list of will not lynch today |
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CP said: This post feels genuine to me. I could be pocketed here by my reliance on tone tells like these but this post reads as honest to me.Now if I tell you that, it'll make any future scum games harder for me won't it? Take this game as a setting point to learn my town meta. You don't have to believe me now, but when I get lynched/NK, you can come back to this post and read all my plays to establish a town!CP meta for me. |
amberwillow said: No you said the second person who votes right after someone else would look suspicious. Well we have two examples of that in Rosie and Grapefruit who garnered no suspicion for jumping quickly to the second seat on the train. Not implying anything just saying we have a real situation to compare against you hypothetical one. logic340 said: M8, u started it xd that's why I didn't want to focus on RE anymore and go to a hypothesis word when I am not susp of her anymore ;DBut we have a clear example of that happening right here in the thread with grapefruit voting me and Rosie voting Grapefruit. You are going into hypotheticals wehre I can come to any conclusion but the evidence doesn't suggest she did it to not have to answer for it. We can make that conclusion but that is a large jump based on what she posted. S/S = Scum-Scum T/T = Town-Town T/S = Town-Scum Hmmmm *checks the beginning of the day* *check what ya wrote again* I am bit lost, what are u implying? That Rosie and Grape should be checked? PentaFlare said: I saw what you said I guess you must have missed my response to it in #482? I am not the only one nor was I the first to talked about unaligned pairs so why aren't you questioning others in a similar manner? Does it bother you that I cannot say you and Grape are unaligned? Not sure what you are trying to say here honestly be more clear please.@logic340 You got my explanation about the preflip tells right? I noted you still brought it up related to me and I justed wanted to make sure I was clear enough with it. |
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CP said: ..And CP follows up with a post that I'm not exactly sure is genuine or him trying to imitate an overzealous townie.The thrill as town is different. The possibility that anyone could be mafia, the possibility that your number 1 town read could have pocketed you and mislead you the entire game. So you always have to be on your toes, anticipating the worst and playing like the worst could always happen. I haven't felt this thrill in a while and am so excited for it. I want to scum hunt, I want it sooo much! Sigh. He's going to be really annoying for me to read this game, I think. I see towntells, and towntells that could be towntells or they could be scum trying to act in a townie manner. |
| @logic340 your insistence on pushing me with the inconsistencies reasoning is really skeeving me out. I still haven't seen you clearly explain why you think that is a scjm tell. @amberwillow I didn't correct my vote immediately because real life is a thing and 15 minutes is a pretty quick turnaround. And hey look at that a ton of people catching up have nebulous questions about me. It's almost like someone has been sowing doubts without tying themselves to my wagon. |
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logic340 said: At least it seems so to me, so I am not sure if her vote on grrr indicates alignment.I completely agree. I haven't seen enough to make a determination on grrr either way he would fall under NEI (not enough information) on my read list. Right now he is lynch fodder and LHF (low hanging fruit) due to his play and activity. I found it strange that out of anyone she could pick she chose grrr even over me? I'm not sure about that whole Claire is natural to vote grrr thing....I don't have enough experience with them playing together first game with them Claire tunneled grrr for 3 days but was lyncher and he was her target. Not pleased with CP going over there but self preservation is real for both alignments. followind just kind of nowhere with that vote on grrr all of a sudden him and Claire move on to grrr. He talks about getting PR information after grrr flips like he knows grrr doesn't have one? Obviously mafia shouldn't know either but even if a grrr lynch went down today and he flipped scum I am not givning any credit off that flip as thing stand now. CP I am neutral on as I want to see if I notice any scum markers from the game we just finished. I don't see how a grrr lynch helps anything today either he has like 2 interactions so far. Add grr to my list of will not lynch today On note, I can't really relate to her finishing reason to vote CP where she said that joining grrr train is surely scummish, cuz it's normal to try and save himself. Ah, but CP before talked like going to a grave with "it's alright if u lynch me cuz u have your reasons" (directed to Penta, I think), so maybe she meant that. I dunno. Anw, I gotta go for a bit, but I'll be back. Atm I am unsure of who to vote, I am between CP, Grape, Claire and Rosie. Differently than RE, I don't think that CP or Grape is just an easy lynch, at least they would give us some more info. Then I feel strange about how Rosie behaves. And especially how Claire came to throw some evil glares at CP and left it there for the whole day and later said that she was just excited to play even though she didn't do much until later today. So I am gonna think it through. If there will be much text, I don't think that I will be able to catch up, so just use user mention (@) if u have anything to ask and I'l try answering. |
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Grapefruit21 said: Is that what it is or is it the fact you haven't really followed through on your WARNING? This is so reminiscent of Soren's One Vote Man hope it doesn't bite you in the end. @logic340 your insistence on pushing me with the inconsistencies reasoning is really skeeving me out. I still haven't seen you clearly explain why you think that is a scjm tell. @amberwillow I didn't correct my vote immediately because real life is a thing and 15 minutes is a pretty quick turnaround. And hey look at that a ton of people catching up have nebulous questions about me. It's almost like someone has been sowing doubts without tying themselves to my wagon. Why do I feel that you being inconsistent is a tell? Because you are very transparent with you thought process and generally easy to follow. As I told Claire as mafia I had to do what I had to do but her it's something I noticed. I really wish you would have just gone after Penta like your warning said you would instead of picking and choosing like that....How do I get a pass? How are you going to deal with grrr? |
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🐭 Vote Count 1.7 🐭 CorruptedPurity (3) Grapefruit21, PentaFlare, _Claire_ Grrr (2) followind, CorruptedPurity _Claire_ (2) Logic340, Crossbell Logic340 (1) Grrr RE1031 (1) Lam-B PentaFlare (1) Sollux16 Oyasumi_Rosie (1) RE1031 Not Voting Oyasumi_Rosie, amberwillow 🐭 Vote History 🐭 Mod notes: Apawlogies for the lack of early morning VC, kitties need 18 hours of sleep y'knyow~ :3 🕒 Countdown to Night 1 🕒 |
| Grapefruit: Gonna need to ISO logic in order to come to a conclusion to his alignment. He seems to be fairly normal Logic to me currently, but he just got off from a hot scum game so I need to examine him a little closer. I do think he may end up being fairly self resolving though? |
| @logic340 I'd vote the crap out of grrr right now. It's a weaker D1 lynch but I would settle for that right now. And I just don't follow your reasoning on my inconsistency. Should I be voting you for your one mistake about who your vote is on? Because that feels like at least 40% of your case against me. As for not being transparent I'm sorry you don't feel my walls are that. I'm not sure how I could be more open in them. |
Grapefruit21 said: SMH never though I would see the day you go for the LHF right out the gate. I've highlighted the points and we went through this earlier trying to avoid dark tunnels this game and actually continue to progress shit. How do you feel about Claire switching from CP to grrr back to CP like that? CP is voting grrr you're still willing to vote there? You think CP is bussing or don't care who goes today?@logic340 I'd vote the crap out of grrr right now. It's a weaker D1 lynch but I would settle for that right now. And I just don't follow your reasoning on my inconsistency. Should I be voting you for your one mistake about who your vote is on? Because that feels like at least 40% of your case against me. As for not being transparent I'm sorry you don't feel my walls are that. I'm not sure how I could be more open in them. |
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| Edit: I broke the quote trees worse! I'm sorry. I hope it still makes sense I can't fix it on mobile Grapefruit21 said: Part 2 of the great Cpurity read CorruptedPurity said: I have nothing on this site to back my methods unfortunately. But don't mistake my idea for scum. Town is free to vote of course, but with good reasoning that is. If you're joining a wagon past 3 members in RVS, a reason should accompany it. A wagon with 3 members already applies pressure, your extra vote will not apply more pressure, if anything, it just shows that either A)you're lazy town and don't want to be bothered with others asking about your vote so you place it on a train or B)you're scum who decides that a train is a safe place to throw your vote as no one would question you. I for one will question you. Anyways, both scenarios are scenarios that we don't want. Furthermore, he didn't explain jack about why he wagoned logic. If he jumped he wagon with even the slightest explanation (even a joke about him being a dog person), it could be overlooked, but no, just a plain vote on the most popular wagon. How does that not raise suspicion to you? This starts off really strong backing up and saying that it's about the content and town should provide reasons. After that we get into strong mafia theory differences. I think that additional votes after 3 apply exponentially more pressure. It's a strong post, but the middle part is super flabby because the idea that 3 votes is enough pressure and a 4th won't apply more is just not something I agree with. 161 is admitting that they didn't read Penta's question closesly. It's NAI, but strange that they were so excited and desperate for content and missed an easy one like that. Implies lacking a close read and critical eye on the game state. We all make mistakes. The part I don't like is the assertion that Penta shouldn't have claimed, when A they didn't, and B as a day cop it's not a horrible idea to do so. Then everyone starts assuming Penta claimed for real and heaping on about how bad a claim it would have been. Sidebar confirming a scum read D1 is very very very much worth claiming for. Plus it puts mafia in a horrible spot for the NK. Think before you speak town. I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer.[/quote]Depends on mod.. It may be EoD or Immediately[/quote] If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him.[/quote] Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later?[/quote] Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first.[/quote]Either you or RE would be my next target to confirm Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on[/quote] Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea.[/quote] Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end[/quote] Ok, this I can work with... Let's think scenarios. Scenario A Grape and Grrr are maf If we day cop read grape maf, we lynch him and send the day cop on Grrr on D2, provided doc protects him at night. He shows guilty and we're down 2 scum. So we can see that in this scenario, cop on Grape rather than Grrr is better. Scenario B Grape is maf and Grrr is town If we day cop read grape maf, we lynch him and send the day cop on Grrr on D2, provided doc protects him at night. He shows inno then we focus on someone else. So we can see that in this scenario, cop on Grape rather than Grrr is better. Scenario C Grape is town, Grrr is maf If we day cop read grape town, we're left with me or RE to lynch. Lynch either then send the cop on him day 2 and we found our maf. Or we can just lynch him direct on Day 1 because D1 is so forgivable and having a lurker burdens the game. Either way, we'll get rid of at least 1 maf at end of 2 days. Scenario D, both are town. We day cop read grape town, we have 1 clear town. Lynch between me RE or grrr. Either gets rid of inactive town or we have 2 cfm clear town by end of day 2 when we send day cop onto Grrr. Still advantageous. If we send day cop on Grrr today, we are at a lost on what to do with Grape and that isn't good. Then we have this post. I read it three times today and I'm not sure why they finish with what that statement. For whatever reason (and earlier it was made clear I'm not a scum read for them) that I am the center of this game and need to be resolved. I don't really see how that tracks with the flow of the game or CPurity's progression as I've read this. Note through all this time they still don't vote me. 218 is a good post and pressures a salient point. Announcing you don't want to lynch them isn't something I'd do, but I can see others doing it. I talked about 316 elsewhere but this part bears repeating that all it boils down to is everything was to apply pressure and get me to respond. And it worked, but CPurity has no confidence in the read. Despite multiple times suggesting I should be the lynch for the day, they don't feel confident enough that I am scum to vote me. This looks so much like scum pushing a narrative but not wanting to tie themselves to a wagon. CorruptedPurity said: logic340 said: Vote:_Claire_ you have no presence in the thread. Your talk so far is of previous games and support of Grapes warning but you are not meeting the requirement. He should be doing this since he warned you but I am here. @_Claire_ I want your take on CP's meta read of Grapefruit and tell me how it compares with your own? I would also like to talk with you about CP seeing as how we have both played games on the same mafia team as him. If he's mafia here you and I should be able to nail him? Thing is, you've both seen my scum meta but neither of you have seen my town meta. So how can you be sure that what would be scum markers aren't also town markers for my town meta? But I think I can distinguish myself from my scum plays by actually scumhunting instead of trying to mislead people, so you of all people should be able too. Then please do so, because vaguely accusing me of being scum isn't going to catch anyone.[/quote] Bumping this and one more because it was largely ignored. Tried to fix my broken quotes from the original... |
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Grapefruit21 said: Since it was asked for the case on CP, though Penta made it better already. CorruptedPurity said: Interesting... My thoughts are that even though Grape brings up a good point, it is not like him to make such a post. He is usually more reserved on the first day and gets more revved up the longer the game goes. He has a snowball-y playstyle and I find it unusual that he's this fiesty this early in the game. And for logic, I just think that dog people are frowned upon in this game... Meta read posturing. CorruptedPurity said: Honestly never liked the idea of RVS. Besides, others will do the poking, I can analyse from that, I also have a policy of not voting unless I can support it with good evidence. Check out my other recent games... Regarding Grape, I have played 2 games with him and both games gave me a snowball-y feel. Firstly, The Twins Mafia. He didn't do anything of importance of the first day, but on the second day, he started tunneling on RE like nobody's business and went full ham. He exploded more on posts but he got lynched cause he just seemed scummy due to the way he tunneled. Secondly and more recently, the Alcatraz mafia, still ongoing btw so you can check it out. The first day people are lynching our beautiful host Kit for no reason, he didn't seem to be too bothered. The entire first day he had no impact or presence, he was almost a null-factor. Come day 2, he tunneled crazy into Suzune for mechanical difference in views (basically how miller claim should be treated). He again exploded alot with suzu on day 2. On day 3, he started tunneling onto Logic instead when suzu died. He gave long detailed posts about him and a few of his other scum-reads. Come day 4, he literally analysed every player and their potential to be scum. He even created a scenario where every town-read is secretly scum. Then he went back to tunneling on logic but he also did in-depth analysis of alot of other players again for every post they made. So when he started today with a strong stage presence, I wondered why. Why would anyone want stage presence when they usually don't? Maybe so it's easier to manipulate and pocket others? So that their points seem more valid and can be heard better? Also, I've heard alot about you Crossbell, it's an honor playing with you. Have a good game! Then proceeds to not back down after a gentle push that the read was incorrect. CorruptedPurity said: Fourth on the Logic train. No reasoning. The first 2 on the train during RVS is forgivable, the third should be looked into and the fourth must be looked into. You didn't make a joke about why you want to lynch logic, you just joined a train. Why? Here gives a strongly anti town post. It isn't even just scum reading a vote, which is fine, but posturing that future votes will be scum read too, putting a chilling effect on voting. This sort of attititude hurts town greatly. Then we have the whole fiasco with Penta's hypothetical. I already got into why I thought the attitude discussing me was harmful to town and so did Penta but I want to talk about CPurity sowing confusion. Before this post CorruptedPurity said: I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). No one had shown any confusion that this was anything but a hypothetical. Penta's post did nothing to suggest that it was a claim and Purity throws it out there anyway. But in a negative context. Blaming initially before anything has happened. I struggle to see the town motivation behind that, because if you thought it was a claim as town it would be in your best interest not to draw attention to it and let it go and hope scum don't notice. This loudly and boldly does the opposite. And in a situation where it makes no sense to. Intermission. P.S. everything was an exageration but going through the Iso not by as much as I'd figured. And this one and yes they are out of order, that is because I was reading the thread backwards to try and find them. |
logic340 said: RE1031 said: Do you think they are both easy lynch targets based on how things are going this game or just in general? I have to go soon and won't be back until maybe half an hour (hopefully earlier) before the deadline. I'm sticking with my vote on Oyasumi_Rosie for two reasons in particular: lack of contribution and the vote on Grapefruit. Said this earlier but Grapefruit is an easy lynch target (and it seems CorruptedPurity is as well). Could be nothing, but she hasn't voted for anyone else. How do you feel about Claire and the formation of the grrr train? In general. Claire jumping around with votes is pretty weird and something I'm not too used to seeing. I'll have to focus a bit more on grrr to see if her focus on him is justified. |
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Lamby said: This is a pretty townie post, and I think Lamby might be my best town read so far, which is wholly bizarre.Ouch... though it's kind of a good thing it does hurt a little to see this shit being called "new" for me. I know I've had really terrible D1s for my first two games back, but that was to some extent coming down to the fact both of those started early weekend my time and I was pretty much non-existant and I had no presence close to EoD where thing usually pick up. Content and activity as a whole also helps me partake within my own catch-up of the game, which this game seems to have quite a boost compared to my last couple. Determination to pick up and try harder after having terrible Day 1s is IMO one of the better town tells I've found. |
logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: SMH never though I would see the day you go for the LHF right out the gate. I've highlighted the points and we went through this earlier trying to avoid dark tunnels this game and actually continue to progress shit. How do you feel about Claire switching from CP to grrr back to CP like that? CP is voting grrr you're still willing to vote there? You think CP is bussing or don't care who goes today?@logic340 I'd vote the crap out of grrr right now. It's a weaker D1 lynch but I would settle for that right now. And I just don't follow your reasoning on my inconsistency. Should I be voting you for your one mistake about who your vote is on? Because that feels like at least 40% of your case against me. As for not being transparent I'm sorry you don't feel my walls are that. I'm not sure how I could be more open in them. No I don't think CP is necessarily bussing. I'm just not set in stone on a D1 worldview. I think CP is scum so I'm using my efforts to try and get her lynched. I'd also vote grrr because his defense of CP was so strange, you, Claire, Rosie, RE, or Followind. |
Crossbell said: Grapefruit: Gonna need to ISO logic in order to come to a conclusion to his alignment. He seems to be fairly normal Logic to me currently, but he just got off from a hot scum game so I need to examine him a little closer. I do think he may end up being fairly self resolving though? You may be right about the latter part and isn't a good lynch for today despite my desire to do so. Just keep it in mind for your rereads for now. Logic is pushing me as hotly and sensibly as he was you in FT. |
Grapefruit21 said: His defense of CP was strange but how does that make him scum or scummy? Like many others I cannot gets read of it so please enlighten us as to how you have? Seems like voting an inactive grrr is counter productive when we have all these people talking and nearly 15 pages of content just seems like an easy way out?logic340 said: SMH never though I would see the day you go for the LHF right out the gate. I've highlighted the points and we went through this earlier trying to avoid dark tunnels this game and actually continue to progress shit. How do you feel about Claire switching from CP to grrr back to CP like that? CP is voting grrr you're still willing to vote there? You think CP is bussing or don't care who goes today? No I don't think CP is necessarily bussing. I'm just not set in stone on a D1 worldview. I think CP is scum so I'm using my efforts to try and get her lynched. I'd also vote grrr because his defense of CP was so strange, you, Claire, Rosie, RE, or Followind. |
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logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: His defense of CP was strange but how does that make him scum or scummy? Like many others I cannot gets read of it so please enlighten us as to how you have? Seems like voting an inactive grrr is counter productive when we have all these people talking and nearly 15 pages of content just seems like an easy way out?No I don't think CP is necessarily bussing. I'm just not set in stone on a D1 worldview. I think CP is scum so I'm using my efforts to try and get her lynched. I'd also vote grrr because his defense of CP was so strange, you, Claire, Rosie, RE, or Followind. Because I promised I wouldn't let inactives off the hook this game and if I can't build a wagon on my preferred target I will lynch a vaguely scummy lurker over a counter wagon that I hate. Edit: Claire jumping on and off the grrr wagon is something I could see go either way. Not a good look but I can easily see the tunnel vision reasons to hop back onto CPurity there. |
Grapefruit21Mar 22, 2017 12:47 PM
Grapefruit21 said: Fair enough but you will have to support "vaguely scummy" if you want my vote to go that way. Before just going for the lynch it would be nice to see you try to engage said person and interact with said person but I guess I see where you are coming from.logic340 said: His defense of CP was strange but how does that make him scum or scummy? Like many others I cannot gets read of it so please enlighten us as to how you have? Seems like voting an inactive grrr is counter productive when we have all these people talking and nearly 15 pages of content just seems like an easy way out? Because I promised I wouldn't let inactives off the hook this game and if I can't build a wagon on my preferred target I will lynch a vaguely scummy lurker over a counter wagon that I hate. |
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logic340 said: amberwillow said: No you said the second person who votes right after someone else would look suspicious. Well we have two examples of that in Rosie and Grapefruit who garnered no suspicion for jumping quickly to the second seat on the train. Not implying anything just saying we have a real situation to compare against you hypothetical one. M8, u started it xd that's why I didn't want to focus on RE anymore and go to a hypothesis word when I am not susp of her anymore ;D Hmmmm *checks the beginning of the day* *check what ya wrote again* I am bit lost, what are u implying? That Rosie and Grape should be checked? PentaFlare said: I saw what you said I guess you must have missed my response to it in #482? I am not the only one nor was I the first to talked about unaligned pairs so why aren't you questioning others in a similar manner? Does it bother you that I cannot say you and Grape are unaligned? Not sure what you are trying to say here honestly be more clear please.@logic340 You got my explanation about the preflip tells right? I noted you still brought it up related to me and I justed wanted to make sure I was clear enough with it. I responded to that post already somewhere. I said that my problem with you using preflip was because I was reading your post as scumleaning me and Grape because you thought we were a scumteam and not you just saying we could still be a team. Anything is possible if there haven't been flips, so of course you would still say we could be a team, I just thought that was the basis of your read which would have been bad logic. |
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PentaFlare said: Nah that was not the basis of the read. You are talking about the thougths at the end of my read list where I said that I cannot say you are UNALIGHNED. I did not get that from your interaction's the same way I did with willow and RE (as an example from this gem). I try not to make hypothetical scum team or link two people because I have never seen it work and if that is what you thought I was doing with you and grape the you are eitherlogic340 said: No you said the second person who votes right after someone else would look suspicious. Well we have two examples of that in Rosie and Grapefruit who garnered no suspicion for jumping quickly to the second seat on the train. Not implying anything just saying we have a real situation to compare against you hypothetical one. I saw what you said I guess you must have missed my response to it in #482? I am not the only one nor was I the first to talked about unaligned pairs so why aren't you questioning others in a similar manner? Does it bother you that I cannot say you and Grape are unaligned? Not sure what you are trying to say here honestly be more clear please. I responded to that post already somewhere. I said that my problem with you using preflip was because I was reading your post as scumleaning me and Grape because you thought we were a scumteam and not you just saying we could still be a team. Anything is possible if there haven't been flips, so of course you would still say we could be a team, I just thought that was the basis of your read which would have been bad logic. 1. misunderstanding 2. misrepresenting |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Nah that was not the basis of the read. You are talking about the thougths at the end of my read list where I said that I cannot say you are UNALIGHNED. I did not get that from your interaction's the same way I did with willow and RE (as an example from this gem). I try not to make hypothetical scum team or link two people because I have never seen it work and if that is what you thought I was doing with you and grape the you are eitherI responded to that post already somewhere. I said that my problem with you using preflip was because I was reading your post as scumleaning me and Grape because you thought we were a scumteam and not you just saying we could still be a team. Anything is possible if there haven't been flips, so of course you would still say we could be a team, I just thought that was the basis of your read which would have been bad logic. 1. misunderstanding 2. misrepresenting Misunderstanding. That's why I called you out on it because I thought you were making that hypothetical scumteam. It doesn't work and I'm glad we agree on that. Sorry for mixing that all up. |
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| @logic340 I attempted to interact with grr. Reread shortly after his proclamation and see where I quoted grrr to ensure he got a notification alerting him I was trying to interact and has out why 12345 makes Purity conf town. No response. That is enough for me to classify as vaguely scummy. |
Grapefruit21 said: @logic340 I attempted to interact with grr. Reread shortly after his proclamation and see where I quoted grrr to ensure he got a notification alerting him I was trying to interact and has out why 12345 makes Purity conf town. No response. That is enough for me to classify as vaguely scummy. Has grrr made any posts since then? I can't remember any. That isn't not responding, that's not posting. |
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PentaFlare said: No problem, I've got a lot to learn still but I feel I've come a long way from TGT and Haruhi. logic340 said: Nah that was not the basis of the read. You are talking about the thougths at the end of my read list where I said that I cannot say you are UNALIGHNED. I did not get that from your interaction's the same way I did with willow and RE (as an example from this gem). I try not to make hypothetical scum team or link two people because I have never seen it work and if that is what you thought I was doing with you and grape the you are either 1. misunderstanding 2. misrepresenting Misunderstanding. That's why I called you out on it because I thought you were making that hypothetical scumteam. It doesn't work and I'm glad we agree on that. Sorry for mixing that all up. @Grapefruit21 how are you currently feeling about Rosie and Sollux? |
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Grapefruit21 said: has he even been online since then? Classify lurkers as people who come on but don't post tells me that they have an opportunity to look at the thread and maybe didn't want to say anything. Whereas if he's not online he's not had an opportunity to look at the thread and maybe doesn't even know that you tagged him?@logic340 I attempted to interact with grr. Reread shortly after his proclamation and see where I quoted grrr to ensure he got a notification alerting him I was trying to interact and has out why 12345 makes Purity conf town. No response. That is enough for me to classify as vaguely scummy. |
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PentaFlare said: Grapefruit21 said: @logic340 I attempted to interact with grr. Reread shortly after his proclamation and see where I quoted grrr to ensure he got a notification alerting him I was trying to interact and has out why 12345 makes Purity conf town. No response. That is enough for me to classify as vaguely scummy. Has grrr made any posts since then? I can't remember any. That isn't not responding, that's not posting. Fair clarification. Does not change my opinion though. @logic340 I've expressed it elsewhere so mini update but Rosie is very lynchable. Sollux isn't giving enough but reads town. |
Grapefruit21 said: my thoughts are the same as yours Rosie doesn't feel as focused as usual and sollux is a little more distant than I'm accustomed too doesn't feel as inquisitive as I remember. He doesn't have the most presence but it's a little bit less than what I'm accustomed to or was expected.PentaFlare said: Has grrr made any posts since then? I can't remember any. That isn't not responding, that's not posting. Fair clarification. Does not change my opinion though. @logic340 I've expressed it elsewhere so mini update but Rosie is very lynchable. Sollux isn't giving enough but reads town. I'd say Rosie is a much lynch option at this point and we revist grrr tomorrow? |
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logic340 said: I meant that she might think that it might be suspicious, I dunno if it would. Your, Rosie's and Grape's situation is bit different from what I am talking about cuz votes are more related to the previous game not this one, so it gives a different feel I suppose.amberwillow said: No you said the second person who votes right after someone else would look suspicious. Well we have two examples of that in Rosie and Grapefruit who garnered no suspicion for jumping quickly to the second seat on the train. Not implying anything just saying we have a real situation to compare against you hypothetical one. M8, u started it xd that's why I didn't want to focus on RE anymore and go to a hypothesis word when I am not susp of her anymore ;D Hmmmm *checks the beginning of the day* *check what ya wrote again* I am bit lost, what are u implying? That Rosie and Grape should be checked? |
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