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Mar 22, 2017 8:49 AM
#601
_Claire_ said: I'm working on sorting that now as I found that move odd as well. And FYI yes I did read that but that isn't really alignment indicative to me. I have seen people's activity drop due to IRL. Is he lurking or just not in the thread? You seem to think that it is due to him rolling scum right? So what was the point of saying CP is town from a scum!grrr mindset? Help me to understand it?logic340 said: _Claire_ said: logic340 said: followind said: So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?followind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Either you or RE would be my next target to confirmfollowind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Depends on mod..PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer. It may be EoD or Immediately If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him. Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later? Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first. Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea. Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end I am not a big fan on lynching an inactive, but inactivity isnt why I want grrrr dead. followind said: logic340 said: followind said: So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?followind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Either you or RE would be my next target to confirmfollowind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Depends on mod..PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer. It may be EoD or Immediately If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him. Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later? Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first. Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea. Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end It's not that easy to get grr to be active.. Even if he's active.. He'll usually just fluff or make a reason that I don't really understand I told you he lay low more than he usually is. God do you even read my post. Thoughts before I go: followind is indeed very weird with that vote placed now, and his reluctance to take side on Grape/CP is sth I will note later on. Another note is, I am very troubled about CP's alignment, but I would resolve it later on. |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:50 AM
#602
logic340 said: That's interesting. Thanks for finding all these.amberwillow said: Lam-B was the first to pick up on it in #94.logic340 said: _Claire_ said: at the time I felt he had the most presence and him forgetting he voted Rosie had just happened which doesn't seem very much like him.logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Check GrapefruitCorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Why Grape? #65 - He votes Rosie for posting a picture of a dog #75 - He asks Crossbell to join the RE train with him. #94 - Lam-B notices the discrepancy #96 - A little defensive but admits he forgot his vote? #98 - Her Lam-B states he was saying he was blind but Grape's response still works. #101 - Back on RE no reasons given Choo Choo, no brakes, etc... It didn't look meaningful for me at that time, so I don't remember if anyone asked him about it. @Grapefruit21 Why did u vote 15 minutes after that post and not right after when u understood that u forgot(?) to vote RE? |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:52 AM
#603
_Claire_ said: Nope I am not drunk I am at work...logic340 said: Yup I think I am very comfortable with my vote on Claire for the time being. @followind how does Claire look to you for the push on CP and subsequent switch to LHF grrr? I understand you moved with her but you were opposed to a CP lynch like I was. You voted Grape, are you drunk? :/ Unvote Vote: Claire and there that should do it. I feel good about this just as I did earlier you haven't alleviated any of my suspicions. |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:54 AM
#604
Really needed to sleep but I checked my phone and thought deep. I could've just went to sleep and not care if I wake up to a Grape lynch or my lynch but I think there's more to this game. grrr said: Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . I really don't want to sound like an ungrateful bitch (I most probably will after this and please forgive me Grrr if you're town) but I think that his town-read on me is a bit forced and doesn't make sense. My 123 post was a post to point out that Grape is suspiciously moving his vote around the trains to make it a 3 way tie and I 123 it for easy reference in the future. I don't see how that autoclears me as town. Every post afterwards he treats me like an autoclear town when he shouldn't be. My theory: If grrr is maf, he would be trying to white knight me so that when I do get lynched which seemed likely at that point, he would have a benefit over others cos he townread me. Not gonna meta read grrr. Also, grrr, I know how I sound after you backed me up but my reasons are sound and make sense. Why would you treat me like a 100% town clear for a slightly pro-town post? So if you're town, please please forgive me... Vote:grrr Also, as much as I am very infuriated with how things are turning out with Grape, I think there's a still a good chance he's town tunneling on me for all the wrong reasons. Besides, he'll still be here to tunnel on me tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day.... so I can resolve my issue with him later in the game. Ok, but I really need to sleep now. Really hope I can wake up to positive results. Good night. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:55 AM
#605
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Nope I am not drunk I am at work...logic340 said: Yup I think I am very comfortable with my vote on Claire for the time being. @followind how does Claire look to you for the push on CP and subsequent switch to LHF grrr? I understand you moved with her but you were opposed to a CP lynch like I was. You voted Grape, are you drunk? :/ Unvote Vote: Claire and there that should do it. I feel good about this just as I did earlier you haven't alleviated any of my suspicions. Its alright I wont waste my breathe trying to convince you to think of me otherwise. Anyway talking to you is like talking to a machine and I am tired as hell lol. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:58 AM
#606
CorruptedPurity said: Doesn't this feel a little too blatant for white knighting though? Doesn't seem like something scum would do because it is going to make people look his way especially given his activity to this point. I may be wrong but I don't now how to read that post honestly it confuses me but doesn't seem scummy.Really needed to sleep but I checked my phone and thought deep. I could've just went to sleep and not care if I wake up to a Grape lynch or my lynch but I think there's more to this game. grrr said: Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . I really don't want to sound like an ungrateful bitch (I most probably will after this and please forgive me Grrr if you're town) but I think that his town-read on me is a bit forced and doesn't make sense. My 123 post was a post to point out that Grape is suspiciously moving his vote around the trains to make it a 3 way tie and I 123 it for easy reference in the future. I don't see how that autoclears me as town. Every post afterwards he treats me like an autoclear town when he shouldn't be. My theory: If grrr is maf, he would be trying to white knight me so that when I do get lynched which seemed likely at that point, he would have a benefit over others cos he townread me. Not gonna meta read grrr. Also, grrr, I know how I sound after you backed me up but my reasons are sound and make sense. Why would you treat me like a 100% town clear for a slightly pro-town post? So if you're town, please please forgive me... Vote:grrr Also, as much as I am very infuriated with how things are turning out with Grape, I think there's a still a good chance he's town tunneling on me for all the wrong reasons. Besides, he'll still be here to tunnel on me tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day.... so I can resolve my issue with him later in the game. Ok, but I really need to sleep now. Really hope I can wake up to positive results. Good night. |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:58 AM
#607
CorruptedPurity said: Really needed to sleep but I checked my phone and thought deep. I could've just went to sleep and not care if I wake up to a Grape lynch or my lynch but I think there's more to this game. grrr said: Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . I really don't want to sound like an ungrateful bitch (I most probably will after this and please forgive me Grrr if you're town) but I think that his town-read on me is a bit forced and doesn't make sense. My 123 post was a post to point out that Grape is suspiciously moving his vote around the trains to make it a 3 way tie and I 123 it for easy reference in the future. I don't see how that autoclears me as town. Every post afterwards he treats me like an autoclear town when he shouldn't be. My theory: If grrr is maf, he would be trying to white knight me so that when I do get lynched which seemed likely at that point, he would have a benefit over others cos he townread me. Not gonna meta read grrr. Also, grrr, I know how I sound after you backed me up but my reasons are sound and make sense. Why would you treat me like a 100% town clear for a slightly pro-town post? So if you're town, please please forgive me... Vote:grrr Also, as much as I am very infuriated with how things are turning out with Grape, I think there's a still a good chance he's town tunneling on me for all the wrong reasons. Besides, he'll still be here to tunnel on me tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day.... so I can resolve my issue with him later in the game. Ok, but I really need to sleep now. Really hope I can wake up to positive results. Good night. Lols rather than that I feel like youre trying to save your ass @Logic340 Waiting for what you have to say to this :) |
Mar 22, 2017 8:59 AM
#608
_Claire_ said: Fair enough the search continues. I will look back over the grrr posts and see if I can figure anything out. You and CP on the same lynch how do you feel about that?logic340 said: _Claire_ said: logic340 said: Yup I think I am very comfortable with my vote on Claire for the time being. @followind how does Claire look to you for the push on CP and subsequent switch to LHF grrr? I understand you moved with her but you were opposed to a CP lynch like I was. You voted Grape, are you drunk? :/ Unvote Vote: Claire and there that should do it. I feel good about this just as I did earlier you haven't alleviated any of my suspicions. Its alright I wont waste my breathe trying to convince you to think of me otherwise. Anyway talking to you is like talking to a machine and I am tired as hell lol. |
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Mar 22, 2017 9:00 AM
#609
_Claire_ said: CorruptedPurity said: Really needed to sleep but I checked my phone and thought deep. I could've just went to sleep and not care if I wake up to a Grape lynch or my lynch but I think there's more to this game. grrr said: Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . I really don't want to sound like an ungrateful bitch (I most probably will after this and please forgive me Grrr if you're town) but I think that his town-read on me is a bit forced and doesn't make sense. My 123 post was a post to point out that Grape is suspiciously moving his vote around the trains to make it a 3 way tie and I 123 it for easy reference in the future. I don't see how that autoclears me as town. Every post afterwards he treats me like an autoclear town when he shouldn't be. My theory: If grrr is maf, he would be trying to white knight me so that when I do get lynched which seemed likely at that point, he would have a benefit over others cos he townread me. Not gonna meta read grrr. Also, grrr, I know how I sound after you backed me up but my reasons are sound and make sense. Why would you treat me like a 100% town clear for a slightly pro-town post? So if you're town, please please forgive me... Vote:grrr Also, as much as I am very infuriated with how things are turning out with Grape, I think there's a still a good chance he's town tunneling on me for all the wrong reasons. Besides, he'll still be here to tunnel on me tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day.... so I can resolve my issue with him later in the game. Ok, but I really need to sleep now. Really hope I can wake up to positive results. Good night. Lols rather than that I feel like youre trying to save your ass @Logic340 Waiting for what you have to say to this :) With you voting away from me. Grape has 3 while I and Grrr have 2. Changing my vote wouldn't save my ass anymore than leaving it on grape. |
Mar 22, 2017 9:01 AM
#610
| @amberwillow can you share your thoughts with me on grrr ad how quickly this train has formed on him? |
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Mar 22, 2017 9:02 AM
#611
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Fair enough the search continues. I will look back over the grrr posts and see if I can figure anything out. You and CP on the same lynch how do you feel about that?logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Nope I am not drunk I am at work...logic340 said: Yup I think I am very comfortable with my vote on Claire for the time being. @followind how does Claire look to you for the push on CP and subsequent switch to LHF grrr? I understand you moved with her but you were opposed to a CP lynch like I was. You voted Grape, are you drunk? :/ Unvote Vote: Claire and there that should do it. I feel good about this just as I did earlier you haven't alleviated any of my suspicions. Its alright I wont waste my breathe trying to convince you to think of me otherwise. Anyway talking to you is like talking to a machine and I am tired as hell lol. Hmm.. to be honest? More convinced than ever that CP is scum and Grrr is town. |
Mar 22, 2017 9:03 AM
#612
CorruptedPurity said: _Claire_ said: CorruptedPurity said: Really needed to sleep but I checked my phone and thought deep. I could've just went to sleep and not care if I wake up to a Grape lynch or my lynch but I think there's more to this game. grrr said: Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . I really don't want to sound like an ungrateful bitch (I most probably will after this and please forgive me Grrr if you're town) but I think that his town-read on me is a bit forced and doesn't make sense. My 123 post was a post to point out that Grape is suspiciously moving his vote around the trains to make it a 3 way tie and I 123 it for easy reference in the future. I don't see how that autoclears me as town. Every post afterwards he treats me like an autoclear town when he shouldn't be. My theory: If grrr is maf, he would be trying to white knight me so that when I do get lynched which seemed likely at that point, he would have a benefit over others cos he townread me. Not gonna meta read grrr. Also, grrr, I know how I sound after you backed me up but my reasons are sound and make sense. Why would you treat me like a 100% town clear for a slightly pro-town post? So if you're town, please please forgive me... Vote:grrr Also, as much as I am very infuriated with how things are turning out with Grape, I think there's a still a good chance he's town tunneling on me for all the wrong reasons. Besides, he'll still be here to tunnel on me tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day.... so I can resolve my issue with him later in the game. Ok, but I really need to sleep now. Really hope I can wake up to positive results. Good night. Lols rather than that I feel like youre trying to save your ass @Logic340 Waiting for what you have to say to this :) With you voting away from me. Grape has 3 while I and Grrr have 2. Changing my vote wouldn't save my ass anymore than leaving it on grape. Dont even bother to read the thread? Logic voted me, followind voted Grrr. So Grrr is leading now. |
Mar 22, 2017 9:04 AM
#613
CorruptedPurity said: Youre vote on Grrr makes it 3 votes on him Claire, followind and CP. Hm.....now I have more things to consider._Claire_ said: CorruptedPurity said: Really needed to sleep but I checked my phone and thought deep. I could've just went to sleep and not care if I wake up to a Grape lynch or my lynch but I think there's more to this game. grrr said: Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . I really don't want to sound like an ungrateful bitch (I most probably will after this and please forgive me Grrr if you're town) but I think that his town-read on me is a bit forced and doesn't make sense. My 123 post was a post to point out that Grape is suspiciously moving his vote around the trains to make it a 3 way tie and I 123 it for easy reference in the future. I don't see how that autoclears me as town. Every post afterwards he treats me like an autoclear town when he shouldn't be. My theory: If grrr is maf, he would be trying to white knight me so that when I do get lynched which seemed likely at that point, he would have a benefit over others cos he townread me. Not gonna meta read grrr. Also, grrr, I know how I sound after you backed me up but my reasons are sound and make sense. Why would you treat me like a 100% town clear for a slightly pro-town post? So if you're town, please please forgive me... Vote:grrr Also, as much as I am very infuriated with how things are turning out with Grape, I think there's a still a good chance he's town tunneling on me for all the wrong reasons. Besides, he'll still be here to tunnel on me tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day.... so I can resolve my issue with him later in the game. Ok, but I really need to sleep now. Really hope I can wake up to positive results. Good night. Lols rather than that I feel like youre trying to save your ass @Logic340 Waiting for what you have to say to this :) With you voting away from me. Grape has 3 while I and Grrr have 2. Changing my vote wouldn't save my ass anymore than leaving it on grape. |
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Mar 22, 2017 9:05 AM
#614
| Also tbh, I initially did not want to vote grape, but it really did feel like he forced my hand. Now that I've settled down abit and look at things objectively, I don't feel like the grape train is the way to go. If anything, his frustration and salt towards me only shows that he's eager to win as town instead of being a calculative scum. Sure he tunnels hard on me, but that's a very grape thing to do. This doesn't supersede my scum-read posts of him tho. |
Mar 22, 2017 9:05 AM
#615
| @Kit, @Gruffin, or @Soren can we get a Vote Count? |
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Mar 22, 2017 9:05 AM
#616
| Okay I am not gonna regret this anymore as I am convinced: Vote: CorruptedPurity |
Mar 22, 2017 9:08 AM
#617
_Claire_ said: CorruptedPurity said: _Claire_ said: CorruptedPurity said: Really needed to sleep but I checked my phone and thought deep. I could've just went to sleep and not care if I wake up to a Grape lynch or my lynch but I think there's more to this game. grrr said: Oh nevermind actually CP is town confirmed. I forgot who the 123 guy was, so I went back to check. CP is the 123 guy. Can we lynch someone else today? (like logic? but honestly anyone but CP is fine. ) I vouch for CP . I really don't want to sound like an ungrateful bitch (I most probably will after this and please forgive me Grrr if you're town) but I think that his town-read on me is a bit forced and doesn't make sense. My 123 post was a post to point out that Grape is suspiciously moving his vote around the trains to make it a 3 way tie and I 123 it for easy reference in the future. I don't see how that autoclears me as town. Every post afterwards he treats me like an autoclear town when he shouldn't be. My theory: If grrr is maf, he would be trying to white knight me so that when I do get lynched which seemed likely at that point, he would have a benefit over others cos he townread me. Not gonna meta read grrr. Also, grrr, I know how I sound after you backed me up but my reasons are sound and make sense. Why would you treat me like a 100% town clear for a slightly pro-town post? So if you're town, please please forgive me... Vote:grrr Also, as much as I am very infuriated with how things are turning out with Grape, I think there's a still a good chance he's town tunneling on me for all the wrong reasons. Besides, he'll still be here to tunnel on me tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day.... so I can resolve my issue with him later in the game. Ok, but I really need to sleep now. Really hope I can wake up to positive results. Good night. Lols rather than that I feel like youre trying to save your ass @Logic340 Waiting for what you have to say to this :) With you voting away from me. Grape has 3 while I and Grrr have 2. Changing my vote wouldn't save my ass anymore than leaving it on grape. Dont even bother to read the thread? Logic voted me, followind voted Grrr. So Grrr is leading now. Correction, Grrr HAD 2. You and followind. Logic's vote onto you was while I was writing that post. So at that point of time: Grape had 3 Grrr had 2 I had 2 I could've kept my vote at grape and still would've saved my ass but I changed it to Grrr for Grape 2 Grrr 3 Me 2 Thus, my vote wasn't just to "save my ass". I actually thought it out. I do note that Grape only has 1 now and me not changing my vote would've made it a 3 way tie. |
Mar 22, 2017 9:10 AM
#618
Ok, fine do what you want. I'm too sleepy to make an argument anyways. Just remember my post for when I flip. |
Mar 22, 2017 9:11 AM
#619
CorruptedPurity said: Ok, fine do what you want. I'm too sleepy to make an argument anyways. Just remember my post for when I flip. Lols yeah its late for us :'>Have a good night~ |
Mar 22, 2017 9:30 AM
#620
logic340 said: So I am reading this for few pages and am disturbed of this since yesterday (my) evening we with RE for the time being kinda sorted it out about the questions and answers.PentaFlare said: So what I am getting at that you are misconstruing is that I cannot say you and Grape are unaligned due to the way you softballed your interactions with one another. I am not saying you are a team I am saying I cannot say you are not a team. Kind of like how we can say that RE and willow being a team is unlikely at this point.logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Those are bad? Why ddint you call Crossbell out for being the first to do it when saying willow and RE are unaligned? Why is it ok for certain players to do thing but not others? What is this double standard and if you missed it then go back and tell me what you think of it?logic340 said: PentaFlare said: I didn't say the question was the way you went about handling people curiosity which you should have know would be sparked and the way you handled the early game. Again I feel town you would have been on grapefruit for follow up since you specifically chose to challenge his position the fact that you both softballed it says potential team.@logic340 My day-cop question was in no way antitown. Saying so is wrong. It was just a question directed to Crossbell, no different than something like "who are your scumreads". The problem is that my question was misinterpreted by others when it grew into a discussion. That is not related to the original question, so the question cannot be seen as antitown. You are trying to form preflip associative reads. Those are bad. I explained why I let grapefruit off on that. They had valid reasons for leaving it be. It was super obvious I had something in mind. Whats wrong with me doing things that would spark interest? Is that bad? I should clarify. Trying to pick out teammates is the kind of preflip association I find bad. Saying someone is unaligned is different. It just means they aren't partners because their interactions doesn't seem like scum v scum. Picking partners is bad because if either of those players are town, which you don't know, the read falls apart. Unaligned pairs works in many cases. If one player flips town, you can use that kind of read to say the other is either town or scum. If one flips scum, it suggests the other is town. It works either way. If one of a pair of "teammates" flips town, you have suddenly made a big mistake. Also, another really crucial difference is that you are basing your read on your preflip, Cross is just noting it for later. So, why exactly u say that we with RE can't be of the same alignment? |
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Mar 22, 2017 9:35 AM
#621
🐭 Vote Count 1.6 🐭 CorruptedPurity (3) Grapefruit21, PentaFlare, _Claire_ Grrr (2) followind, CorruptedPurity Logic340 (2) Crossbell, Grrr RE1031 (1) Lam-B PentaFlare (1) Sollux16 Oyasumi_Rosie (1) RE1031 _Claire_ (1) Logic340 Not Voting Oyasumi_Rosie, amberwillow 🐭 Vote History 🐭 logic340: Grapefruit21 > unvote > _Claire_ > Grapefruit21 > _Claire_ Crossbell: Logic340 Oyasumi_Rosie: Grapefruit21 RE1031: Crossbell > amberwillow > unvote > Oyasumi_Rosie _Claire_: Logic340 > CorruptedPurity > Grrr > CorruptedPurity Grapefruit21: Logic340 > RE1031 > Oyasumi_Rosie > RE1031 > CorruptedPurity Grrr: Logic340 PentaFlare: Grapefruit21 > CorruptedPurity Sollux16: followind > unvote > PentaFlare amberwillow: RE1031 > unvote Lam-B: RE1031 CorruptedPurity: Grapefruit21, Grrr followind: Grrr Mod notes: (ΦωΦ) 🕒 Countdown to Night 1 🕒 |
SorenMar 22, 2017 9:42 AM
Mar 22, 2017 9:42 AM
#622
CorruptedPurity said: I am wondering what kind of information u got from me. As I recal, I wasn't thrown back about his hypo-story and suggested for u who were like oh-mai-god-what-is-this, not to be too positive about that so called claim. Is there anything more? *curious*PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: Well, since I didn't get anything out of that attempt to not comment on any of the main wagons, time to do a dump from my notes. Please don't just skip over this because it is a wall or just nod along and move on. I want to know what others think about what I'm bringing up. My thoughts regarding CorruptedPurity: Corrupted is probably mafia. Their actions so far this phase give the impression of a mafia player trying to appear like a productive townie instead of genuine scumhunting. The first post which seems scummy is #51 where they comment on Grapefruit's ultimatum. Paraphrased, the post is "This is a good point, but this isn't normal grapefruit". This emphasis is placed on the second half, being that this isn't normal grapefruit. This kind of post does two things: creates doubt about grapefruit and suggests a scumlean based on meta. However, the post includes only facts and skips the throught process. There isn't a "this is unusual for grape and since I've only seen them as town this different behavious makes me think they are a different alignment". That would be a scumlean, however small (considering this is only the top of the second page). Instead, therefore, the scumlean is not the main intent of this post, so it must be the doubt. Creating doubt about other players so early is scummy because town only cast doubt on decently developed scumreads. In #110, Corrupted talks about the grapefruit post again and makes it even more clear that the goal is not the scumlean because they suggest both a mafia motive behind the change and a town motive behind the change. Possibility of either = doubt. A little further down in #117 they answer my day cop question addressed to Crossbell. They obviously know I'm asking a hypothetical question because they list me as one of the options. Therefore, I can only see one reason for answering the question. They are seizing the opportunity to contribute to just about anything because contribution seems townlike. It is true that town can also try to look like town because getting lynched as town is bad but this is much more often a mafia action because mafia can't rely on genuine towniness. However, the extra thing that tips it further into being a mafia motivated action is that another town member would also be interested in how Cross would respond. Discussing the topic before Cross can answer would likely make Cross's answer less important because of the amount that's been discussed already. (luckily Cross reads and answers in order). It is likely that Corrupted simply wasn't interested in finding out Cross's alignment which a town member wouldn't be. These two things combined make answering the question more mafia-like than townie. #150 also explicitly states there is no scumread on grapefruit. The shade being cast is just for the sake of casting shade. It is true that #155 is expressing a town mindset. Taking a close look at voters who build large trains is important. However, this isn't a very strong townlean. The three scumleans mentioned so far are adding up to a stronger swing that way. I'm not going to cite much of the discussion of cop checks and order of priority. It is nice that they are expressing suspicions, but overall I find it non-alignment indicative. The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was. That's all for now folks! Ok. Thanks for giving me something to play with. Let's break this down. Regarding post #51. Maybe that post is supposed to do something outside the two you suggested, maybe the purpose of my post is to pressure Grapefruit (which is working, he is responding to it). As I said, I don't like voting without substantial evidence. From my POV, I had reasons to suspect Grapfruit but it isn't enough, I need him to post more for me to get more reads off of him and more evidence off of him. Scumlean is not my main intent of that post, it is to set up for future scum leans depending on how Grape responded. Maybe I did create doubt in some other's but it is merely an unintended side effect of me pushing into Grape. #110. I push onto him because I want to determine if he was scum. Based on his responses, I cannot 100% nail him down as scum and thus need to keep my views open. Or would you rather me tunnel on him to be scum? #117. This is an interesting one. I thought you were asking hypothetical cop and although I wasn't Cross, I was dying to talk to someone, anyone, about anything. You posed an interesting question and thus I decided to stick my nose into it (maybe I was wrong to do so but I was so bored, I'm sorry). Things got slightly out of hand when I mistaken day cop for normal cop and got others involved, not necessarily a bad thing because that is more information we can look back on in the future. Now, the second part. I don't know if you're overvaluing getting information from Cross or I'm undervaluing it. Cross has done nothing to raise any scum alerts in me so no I wasn't interested in finding out much about him at the time, maybe in the future but as of that moment, no. I thought that my answer would've stopped there instead of going rampant with the rest so I honestly did not expect my involvement to hinder your read on Cross, and I must apologize for that. What I didn't like was your lack of involvement in the discussion you started. But that's not the point, I'll save my suspicions of you for a different post. I really think you're overvaluing Cross and blaming me for ruining your read, cos I don't see a scum in myself in that play. #150 Starting to sound like a broken recorder here but I as I said, I'm not throwing shade to cast doubt or shit. I want to pressure him, I don't want to lynch him yet as I need more evidence of him being scum to give myself the conviction to place the Grape vote. "The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was." You seem to know your own predicament. Is this intentional or not? Why would you want to appear anti-town? I can't see #51 as pressure because it isn't. To be pressuring someone, you need to be trying to elicit a change from them. Your post was commenting on grape's meta. It is related to how they've decided to play this game. Just saying "Hey, you are playing differently" isn't going to change how they play. Why wouldn't you be interested in learning about Cross? Even if you don't scumread Cross, you should still be trying to sort all players one way or another. The only reason to not be interest is if you already know. The way you are saying that you don't have the evidence to place a vote yet is incredibly scummy. You don't believe grape is vote-worthy yet, so you are just going to push them until you can find anything to support a vote. You've already decided what your read is going to be and are just finding ways to support it. Yes my anti-town behaviour was intentional, try rereading my exchange with grape before my wall post. 1)Dunno how you define pressure, but I believed that I've (successfully) pressured grape. When I say pressure, I mean applying pressure to which will cause them to react, and from the reaction I can analyse to gain more information on whether my read is right or not. I don't want to change the way they play, I want to understand the way they play and whether it is pro-town or anti-town. 2)I wouldn't be interested in learning about cross yet. He'd post enough by the time I want to get a read on him, priority for me was getting as much information as possible. And arguably, we got more information from followind and amberwillow and rosie reacting to the question than cross. As I said, I never intended to hinder your attempt to read cross. But you can always do that at another time. 3)You prefer for me to just vote Grape without hearing out everything first? And yes, I'm going to push him until I find something to support my vote. If I can't find anything to support my vote, then that would clear Grape for me. Also, I don't know really understand your anti-town playstyle but if you're really sure you know what you're doing, I'll leave you be for now... |
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Mar 22, 2017 9:43 AM
#623
amberwillow said: The reason I feel that way is due to your interactions with RE. Now obviously I am not 100% on this but it stands to reason with the way you two went at one another that you are not a team putting on theatrics (though I could be wrong). Not saying you cannot both be town, that is not what unaligned pair means, what I am saying is I find it highly unlikely that you two at mafia together. T/S, S/T, or T/T but not S/S.logic340 said: So I am reading this for few pages and am disturbed of this since yesterday (my) evening we with RE for the time being kinda sorted it out about the questions and answers.PentaFlare said: logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Those are bad? Why ddint you call Crossbell out for being the first to do it when saying willow and RE are unaligned? Why is it ok for certain players to do thing but not others? What is this double standard and if you missed it then go back and tell me what you think of it?logic340 said: PentaFlare said: I didn't say the question was the way you went about handling people curiosity which you should have know would be sparked and the way you handled the early game. Again I feel town you would have been on grapefruit for follow up since you specifically chose to challenge his position the fact that you both softballed it says potential team.@logic340 My day-cop question was in no way antitown. Saying so is wrong. It was just a question directed to Crossbell, no different than something like "who are your scumreads". The problem is that my question was misinterpreted by others when it grew into a discussion. That is not related to the original question, so the question cannot be seen as antitown. You are trying to form preflip associative reads. Those are bad. I explained why I let grapefruit off on that. They had valid reasons for leaving it be. It was super obvious I had something in mind. Whats wrong with me doing things that would spark interest? Is that bad? I should clarify. Trying to pick out teammates is the kind of preflip association I find bad. Saying someone is unaligned is different. It just means they aren't partners because their interactions doesn't seem like scum v scum. Picking partners is bad because if either of those players are town, which you don't know, the read falls apart. Unaligned pairs works in many cases. If one player flips town, you can use that kind of read to say the other is either town or scum. If one flips scum, it suggests the other is town. It works either way. If one of a pair of "teammates" flips town, you have suddenly made a big mistake. Also, another really crucial difference is that you are basing your read on your preflip, Cross is just noting it for later. So, why exactly u say that we with RE can't be of the same alignment? 🐭 Vote Count 1.5 🐭 CorruptedPurity (3) Grapefruit21, PentaFlare, _Claire_ Grrr (2) followind, CorruptedPurity Logic340 (2) Crossbell, Grrr RE1031 (1) Lam-B PentaFlare (1) Sollux16 Oyasumi_Rosie (1) RE1031 _Claire_ (1) Logic340 Not Voting Oyasumi_Rosie, amberwillow 🐭 Vote History 🐭 logic340: Grapefruit21 > unvote > _Claire_ > Grapefruit21 > _Claire_ Crossbell: Logic340 Oyasumi_Rosie: Grapefruit21 RE1031: Crossbell > amberwillow > unvote > Oyasumi_Rosie _Claire_: Logic340 > CorruptedPurity > Grrr > CorruptedPurity Grapefruit21: Logic340 > RE1031 > Oyasumi_Rosie > RE1031 > CorruptedPurity Grrr: Logic340 PentaFlare: Grapefruit21 > CorruptedPurity Sollux16: followind > unvote > PentaFlare amberwillow: RE1031 > unvote Lam-B: RE1031 CorruptedPurity: Grapefruit21, Grrr followind: Grrr Mod notes: (ΦωΦ) Still got these RVS votes on me.... @Grapefruit21 do you find the VC gross as well? |
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Mar 22, 2017 9:50 AM
#624
| @Oyasumi_Rosie I would really like to hear your thoughts on this game. Preferably Me vs. Claire, Grapefruit/Claire vs. CP, and the quick train the formed on grrr. Also do you have a reads list at this point? A lot of fluffing and you haven't added much else. |
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Mar 22, 2017 9:51 AM
#625
| Ugh, I'm so sorry guys for not being engaged in this game. I've just been so busy with schoolwork and other duties like modding another game on another site. I think I'll post my instinctual gut reactions when I start catching up (which should be around now) so that I can do that quicker. |
Mar 22, 2017 9:57 AM
#626
| I have to go soon and won't be back until maybe half an hour (hopefully earlier) before the deadline. I'm sticking with my vote on Oyasumi_Rosie for two reasons in particular: lack of contribution and the vote on Grapefruit. Said this earlier but Grapefruit is an easy lynch target (and it seems CorruptedPurity is as well). Could be nothing, but she hasn't voted for anyone else. |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:01 AM
#627
RE1031 said: Do you think they are both easy lynch targets based on how things are going this game or just in general? I have to go soon and won't be back until maybe half an hour (hopefully earlier) before the deadline. I'm sticking with my vote on Oyasumi_Rosie for two reasons in particular: lack of contribution and the vote on Grapefruit. Said this earlier but Grapefruit is an easy lynch target (and it seems CorruptedPurity is as well). Could be nothing, but she hasn't voted for anyone else. How do you feel about Claire and the formation of the grrr train? |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:02 AM
#628
Crossbell said: Any chance we can get that vote to go somewhere useful now?Ugh, I'm so sorry guys for not being engaged in this game. I've just been so busy with schoolwork and other duties like modding another game on another site. I think I'll post my instinctual gut reactions when I start catching up (which should be around now) so that I can do that quicker. |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:08 AM
#629
Grapefruit21 said: Tbh, during this phase u looked the most emotional to me. Especially the part where it was talked about how u should cop-checked and peeps were talking a lot about how they think u are baddie. At some points it looked like u are panicking.followind said: Grapefruit21 said: If you don't think me or CP is scum right now where should town be looking? We have 6ish hours to phase change and we need to build a strong enough case to get enough votes EoD. I would say Oyasumi which I will gladly vote since he's reasoning came a bit off for me.. Why would you lynch Grape then Lynch Penta whatever flip they have? Also he fluffed a lot and also doesn't provide a reason for his scumread on Penta and Grape which I think he have since he wanted them both killed( if he had please enlighten me) I like this, find a couple quotes to support your read and we've got something going. And one thought for the thread in general I apologize for posting a ton and walls making it hard to catch up. But as you make your way through the thread I'd ask you who seems emotional? And my reads top 3 town: Sollux, amber, and Penta Top 3 scum: CPurity, Rosie, and RE. On the other hand CP sometimes appears as to lack in showing emotions as if trying to look calm and collected. (Tho can't say the same when he snapped at u for pointing things in a strange(?) manner) |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:13 AM
#630
| Can someone link me to the case on CorruptedPurity? I was townreading him earlier for being fairly aggressive out of the gate, but I am unsure why he is getting wagonned. |
Mar 22, 2017 10:14 AM
#631
Grapefruit21 said: I am worried about the ending of the last game affect my reads for this one. That is why I felt like if I voted CP now, it would feel like OMGYS (for winning the last game). I feel like I am just auto town readings Logic and CP which makes me trust the least, but that isn't their fault. You and Claire should make sure you aren't doing the same.@Oyasumi_Rosie @Sollux16 @Crossbell @followind @PentaFlare @grrr This group in particular I want reads from. You need to state how you feel about about CorruptedPurity. And If you don't want to lynch them you need to make a proper case to convince us to vote with you. Your vote is not worthwhile on it's own. You have to convince us to come with you. And that is where that ends. No one else is really scummy to me. The Penta thing is super annoying, but I actually blame everyone who hopped on it afterwards. It was extremely clear to me that he wasn't claiming, and people were using that rile up feathers. |
Mar 22, 2017 10:17 AM
#632
Grapefruit said: Yes. @Crossbell ahh you're making me blush. So at the time of posting you didn't have a strong lean on any of us since you didn't narrow down further. Is that correct? I have a townread on CP and Lamby but so much has gone on in the thread since I was out for most of the day yesterday that I need to catch up and provide my thoughts |
Mar 22, 2017 10:19 AM
#633
| Is PentaFlare normally this cryptic as scum? The last performance I've seen where he intentionally withheld information about his own play was in Stardust Crusaders Mafia, which I think garnered him a fair amount of suspicion early. Logic/Grapefruit: How would you say Penta played in Haruhi Mafia (shame on me since I knew I modded the game, but I didn't really read along). Was he this cryptic or was he more open with his play? |
Mar 22, 2017 10:21 AM
#634
| Ahh, okay. I see the case on CP now. CP's shading/doubtcasting of Grapefruit was the only real thing that pinged me, but I thought that his aggressiveness and vote analysis felt like an overzealous townie. Hm. |
Mar 22, 2017 10:25 AM
#635
Crossbell said: PentaFlare hit us with truth in plain sight in Haruhi. RVS from soren said Penta got a scum role PM. Penta said you only know because you got one too. So his opening post to Grapefruit piqued my interest. Not so sure about being cryptic though I scum read him in Haruhi but couldn't get it through. I can say that this isn't out of the realm of his scum game (though Grape said the same though he town reads him I believe). I have a slight scum lean on Penta.Is PentaFlare normally this cryptic as scum? The last performance I've seen where he intentionally withheld information about his own play was in Stardust Crusaders Mafia, which I think garnered him a fair amount of suspicion early. Logic/Grapefruit: How would you say Penta played in Haruhi Mafia (shame on me since I knew I modded the game, but I didn't really read along). Was he this cryptic or was he more open with his play? |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:25 AM
#636
| I feel like CorruptedPurity is getting extremely overdefensive at my point in my catchup (on page 7 now). Will wait to see if he starts scumhunting or not. |
Mar 22, 2017 10:27 AM
#637
Crossbell said: I just finished a game as scum with CP and while I can say there are some similarities I cannot say they definitely point to him being scum here. So I would like to ask you do you think that CP would show me and Claire (two people who were just scum with him) the same trick from his scum bag if he was scum here?Ahh, okay. I see the case on CP now. CP's shading/doubtcasting of Grapefruit was the only real thing that pinged me, but I thought that his aggressiveness and vote analysis felt like an overzealous townie. Hm. |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:27 AM
#638
logic340 said: I get it why it felt nitpicky my first question actually was of this kind, cuz I wanted to get a reaction But nah, I was thinking about how she appears from her point, not about her protecting one of u.amberwillow said: logic340 said: amberwillow said: So you think that RE felt she would be put in a bad spot if she voted me right after Crossbell did? So the post about giving Dog Lovers a reprieve was her way of staying off my train? logic340 said: That was/is a possibility. But to be more specific, I was thinking that she might not want to be put in a badspot like be questioned if she was to vote u, because there was already a vote on u.amberwillow said: Basically what I took from your initial question to her was that she was trying to keep pressure off of me (her scum buddy) or possibly Claire due to the whole Dogs thing. logic340 said: That's what I thought. But later when we were talking how I understand she meant that it wasn't the case why she voted Cross and not Claire (or how I thought u). She claimed that she had a reason for voting Cross even though she didn't tell it at that moment. On this specific part we kinda agreed to disagree. I still can't be sure if she said it truthfully and probably I won't know until game ends, but what she said sounded relatively honest to me.amberwillow said: I agree with the first part she did say she knew where to vote then vote cross with her message of giving us a reprieve. Do you suspect that was to keep pressure off of a teammate? and me specifically?logic340 said: It looked like she wanted to vote u or Claire but she chose Cross instead (after seeing that u had already been voted) and the message next to the vote felt a little bit strange and that made me a little bit aware of her, so I thought of seeing her reaction.amberwillow said: What are you implying here?Oh why so why so? Looks like u were on mood to vote logic or Claire? dont remember if there were other dog peeps Don't want unneeded attention? I felt you insinuated that since she didn't vote me or Claire because one of us may be her partner. Is that what your line of questioning thereafter was about or did you think she slipped in a different way? That sounds like a weird conclusion for you to come to? Now if you are suspecting RE of protecting a scum buddy (me or Claire). Then it makes sense. If I'm her partner she can use the dog lover pardon to not have to vote for me etc. But if that is the case she could have just voted Claire? If Claire was her partner she could have me? But I had a vote and might bring questions that way so she voted Crossbell? You got all that from that opening post? So basically for this to make any sense RE would have to be protecting Claire her teammate and not want to comment on me due to a vote already being there. Why not just place and RVS and not say anything about the dog lovers? I am having trouble seeing this as a scum slip can you explain it to me further? Geez, the more u say the more it feels that u want me to think of u two as scumbuddies. I am not sure what u missed, but I am not suspecting her anymore (at least on such a big scale). If that is the case then yes, I think it would have been more likely of her to vote Claire then, but she didn't. But I didn't really suspect her to be a scumbuddies with either of u, I was more inclined to think that she is taking care of her image. I didn't get all that from just that post but it was the first thing what caught my attention and then I presented her the questions that were raised from her replies. Not necessary, she could have tried to protect either if it was like your theory. That post itself wasn't the one that bothered me most, it was her replies, I didn't go that deep like you two and her being mafias. I am not sure what else to add here besides what was already said. We kinda resolved that matter already, so now it looks like u want me to keep focusing on her when I had already said that I am planning to look at other susp people. Anw, lemme find some links when I am back from rehearsal if ull still want it, or just check again our convo 2. I didn't miss anything I was trying to understand where you were coming from with you question because it was so open ended that I could come to the conclusions I did. I though you were inferring that her and I or her and Claire were a team so I asked you to clarify it. Not sure how not voting me was taking care of her image can you elaborate on that. second person on an RVS train usually doesn't get flack shti grrr is 4th saying nothing and is under no pressure with less than 10 posts and little content or game solving anything. 3. This one is from my PoV I am town so the only way it makes sense is if Claire is her teammate. Keeping up appearances that early seems unlikely to me. 4. I followed your conversation which is why I had a few questions for clarification. I town read you slightly but those questions needed to be answered for me to feel more comfortable. I kind of get a t/t vibe from your interaction with RE as I think mafia wouldn't have made the dog part which drew your attention. The voting for a reason thing is weird though since there really is no reason to vote during RVS unless you have preconceived bias there. I am not asking you to look back into RE though she drew my attention while I was trying to talk to you about where you were coming from by butting into our conversation. You think so? Well I was mafia ages ago, but I remember being cautious of each of my post as to not mess up something. If that was the case with her or someone else, then I wouldn't really be surprised if they were to think about appearances then. Hm, how to say.. At first is RVS, where people get reactions from votes and if the 2nd person right away voted the same person like 1st then some people might come in questioning and commenting u "why did u vote them when they already have a vote on them. Wouldn't it be more meaningful to vote another person so that we would get more info from people?" and such. Is it clearlier now? Does t/t mean town/town? |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:28 AM
#639
| Extremely dislike Claire on page 8; she OMGUSes Logic and hops onto the CorruptedPurity wagon without adding much original reasoning to it. If CP is town, then the odds of Claire being scum rise dramatically, I think. |
Mar 22, 2017 10:28 AM
#640
logic340 said: Sweet, I will met you at the drop off point at D2@Oyasumi_Rosie stop with all the fluffing or get the rope. Some fluff is fine but we need content from you. |
Mar 22, 2017 10:30 AM
#641
logic340 said: I don't know? I've never been in a situation where I've rolled scum successively multiple times with the same people, so I am afraid that I cannot answer this question in much detail.Crossbell said: I just finished a game as scum with CP and while I can say there are some similarities I cannot say they definitely point to him being scum here. So I would like to ask you do you think that CP would show me and Claire (two people who were just scum with him) the same trick from his scum bag if he was scum here?Ahh, okay. I see the case on CP now. CP's shading/doubtcasting of Grapefruit was the only real thing that pinged me, but I thought that his aggressiveness and vote analysis felt like an overzealous townie. Hm. |
Mar 22, 2017 10:31 AM
#642
Lamby said: I hope this is the game where I finally get a correct read on you!Odd.... I'm sure I recall being unable to get positive vibes going your way or ever having a "good look" according to you, even when slapping scum left and right? I liked your early posts though, they seemed more focused on scumhunting than mechanics IMO. |
Mar 22, 2017 10:32 AM
#643
amberwillow said: But we have a clear example of that happening right here in the thread with grapefruit voting me and Rosie voting Grapefruit. You are going into hypotheticals wehre I can come to any conclusion but the evidence doesn't suggest she did it to not have to answer for it. We can make that conclusion but that is a large jump based on what she posted.logic340 said: I get it why it felt nitpicky my first question actually was of this kind, cuz I wanted to get a reaction But nah, I was thinking about how she appears from her point, not about her protecting one of u.amberwillow said: logic340 said: I think u are starting to misinterpret me. I didn't say that she would be in trouble, I said that from her point of view it might have appeared to her that it would be risky to get in a position where she would be questioned. I don't know what she felt, that's why I started asking those questions.amberwillow said: So you think that RE felt she would be put in a bad spot if she voted me right after Crossbell did? So the post about giving Dog Lovers a reprieve was her way of staying off my train? logic340 said: That was/is a possibility. But to be more specific, I was thinking that she might not want to be put in a badspot like be questioned if she was to vote u, because there was already a vote on u.amberwillow said: Basically what I took from your initial question to her was that she was trying to keep pressure off of me (her scum buddy) or possibly Claire due to the whole Dogs thing. logic340 said: That's what I thought. But later when we were talking how I understand she meant that it wasn't the case why she voted Cross and not Claire (or how I thought u). She claimed that she had a reason for voting Cross even though she didn't tell it at that moment. On this specific part we kinda agreed to disagree. I still can't be sure if she said it truthfully and probably I won't know until game ends, but what she said sounded relatively honest to me.amberwillow said: I agree with the first part she did say she knew where to vote then vote cross with her message of giving us a reprieve. Do you suspect that was to keep pressure off of a teammate? and me specifically?logic340 said: It looked like she wanted to vote u or Claire but she chose Cross instead (after seeing that u had already been voted) and the message next to the vote felt a little bit strange and that made me a little bit aware of her, so I thought of seeing her reaction.amberwillow said: What are you implying here?Oh why so why so? Looks like u were on mood to vote logic or Claire? dont remember if there were other dog peeps Don't want unneeded attention? I felt you insinuated that since she didn't vote me or Claire because one of us may be her partner. Is that what your line of questioning thereafter was about or did you think she slipped in a different way? That sounds like a weird conclusion for you to come to? Now if you are suspecting RE of protecting a scum buddy (me or Claire). Then it makes sense. If I'm her partner she can use the dog lover pardon to not have to vote for me etc. But if that is the case she could have just voted Claire? If Claire was her partner she could have me? But I had a vote and might bring questions that way so she voted Crossbell? You got all that from that opening post? So basically for this to make any sense RE would have to be protecting Claire her teammate and not want to comment on me due to a vote already being there. Why not just place and RVS and not say anything about the dog lovers? I am having trouble seeing this as a scum slip can you explain it to me further? Geez, the more u say the more it feels that u want me to think of u two as scumbuddies. I am not sure what u missed, but I am not suspecting her anymore (at least on such a big scale). If that is the case then yes, I think it would have been more likely of her to vote Claire then, but she didn't. But I didn't really suspect her to be a scumbuddies with either of u, I was more inclined to think that she is taking care of her image. I didn't get all that from just that post but it was the first thing what caught my attention and then I presented her the questions that were raised from her replies. Not necessary, she could have tried to protect either if it was like your theory. That post itself wasn't the one that bothered me most, it was her replies, I didn't go that deep like you two and her being mafias. I am not sure what else to add here besides what was already said. We kinda resolved that matter already, so now it looks like u want me to keep focusing on her when I had already said that I am planning to look at other susp people. Anw, lemme find some links when I am back from rehearsal if ull still want it, or just check again our convo 2. I didn't miss anything I was trying to understand where you were coming from with you question because it was so open ended that I could come to the conclusions I did. I though you were inferring that her and I or her and Claire were a team so I asked you to clarify it. Not sure how not voting me was taking care of her image can you elaborate on that. second person on an RVS train usually doesn't get flack shti grrr is 4th saying nothing and is under no pressure with less than 10 posts and little content or game solving anything. 3. This one is from my PoV I am town so the only way it makes sense is if Claire is her teammate. Keeping up appearances that early seems unlikely to me. 4. I followed your conversation which is why I had a few questions for clarification. I town read you slightly but those questions needed to be answered for me to feel more comfortable. I kind of get a t/t vibe from your interaction with RE as I think mafia wouldn't have made the dog part which drew your attention. The voting for a reason thing is weird though since there really is no reason to vote during RVS unless you have preconceived bias there. I am not asking you to look back into RE though she drew my attention while I was trying to talk to you about where you were coming from by butting into our conversation. You think so? Well I was mafia ages ago, but I remember being cautious of each of my post as to not mess up something. If that was the case with her or someone else, then I wouldn't really be surprised if they were to think about appearances then. Hm, how to say.. At first is RVS, where people get reactions from votes and if the 2nd person right away voted the same person like 1st then some people might come in questioning and commenting u "why did u vote them when they already have a vote on them. Wouldn't it be more meaningful to vote another person so that we would get more info from people?" and such. Is it clearlier now? Does t/t mean town/town? S/S = Scum-Scum T/T = Town-Town T/S = Town-Scum |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:35 AM
#644
followind said: Flip a coinNear the end of the day and I'm still confused whether I should vote grape or CP.. This is a tough decision for me to make tbh Can anyone provide me with any insights? |
Mar 22, 2017 10:36 AM
#645
Crossbell said: Nah I wasn't talking about rolling scum successively together. I was saying if CP just rolled scum again (this would be 5 in a row) would he come right out and do the things that Claire and I would pick up on from his scum game. As stated there are similarities but that alone isn't enough and the behavior I am seeing here isn't screaming scum to me here the way it is to Claire and Grapefruit.logic340 said: I don't know? I've never been in a situation where I've rolled scum successively multiple times with the same people, so I am afraid that I cannot answer this question in much detail.Crossbell said: Ahh, okay. I see the case on CP now. CP's shading/doubtcasting of Grapefruit was the only real thing that pinged me, but I thought that his aggressiveness and vote analysis felt like an overzealous townie. Hm. |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:36 AM
#646
Crossbell said: Join the club It was rough going there for a minute with her. I don't like her at all right now. Not even using her meta like I am used to her doing. She avoided the question about Grapefruit's meta from purity then rudely answered it when she finally did.Extremely dislike Claire on page 8; she OMGUSes Logic and hops onto the CorruptedPurity wagon without adding much original reasoning to it. If CP is town, then the odds of Claire being scum rise dramatically, I think. |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:37 AM
#647
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Any thoughts on Grapefruti or Claire? You caught scum Claire in twins are you getting any of those vibes here?logic340 said: Sweet, I will met you at the drop off point at D2@Oyasumi_Rosie stop with all the fluffing or get the rope. Some fluff is fine but we need content from you. |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:39 AM
#648
| @Crossbell I would also like your thoughts on the grrr train formation and how quickly it happened? |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:40 AM
#649
| Unvote, vote Claire Haven't finished reading but I have office hours to attend and Claire's bandwagon vote is not a good look. Gonna finish catching up after office hours and will be here for EoD. Thank you all for your patience! Was just extremely busy earlier today and yesterday. |
Mar 22, 2017 10:43 AM
#650
_Claire_ said: Doesn't he come up with evil schemes anymore? Or is it only when set-up is unusual?Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I agree that he might get harmful, but I wouldn't lynch him right now just because of what he could or couldn't so and rather have him as reserve lynch candidate, unless someone has a strong read on him atm and can convince us to vote him. Can't really imagine it on D1 though. |
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