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miereneronaile said:
Thats a pretty good list tbh.

Especially number one, I agree with that wholly though I am fairly sure my interpretation of that ending is fairly unique /shrug.

I'm curious, what's your unique interpretation of the ending?

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miereneronaile said:
Thats a pretty good list tbh.

Especially number one, I agree with that wholly though I am fairly sure my interpretation of that ending is fairly unique /shrug.

I'm curious, what's your unique interpretation of the ending?

Err, Im to lazy to go into details but I basically think it was a complete failure on Madokas part, as well as everyone elses - and I cant really see how the ending scene with Homura was anything but a sign of impending horrible doom.

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miereneronaile said:

FierceAlchemist said:

miereneronaile said:
Thats a pretty good list tbh.

Especially number one, I agree with that wholly though I am fairly sure my interpretation of that ending is fairly unique /shrug.

I'm curious, what's your unique interpretation of the ending?

Err, Im to lazy to go into details but I basically think it was a complete failure on Madokas part, as well as everyone elses - and I cant really see how the ending scene with Homura was anything but a sign of impending horrible doom.

I've actually thought about that too. Although this theory could easily be debunked by the new movie, here's an excerpt from an article I've been writing about Maoka Magica as a tragedy:

However there is one potential flaw to Madoka’s wish. If Kyubey and his race are correct, has Madoka’s wish accelerated the death of the universe via entropy?

When Homura explains what the pre-wish universe was like, Kyubey immediately mentions that the transformation of Magical Girls into Witches would be a great method of gathering energy since that provides much more power than the Grief Cubes. While we know little about the Wraiths, they seem to be weaker but more numerous than the Witches, each dropping a single black cube (Grief Cube) that contains less energy than the Grief Seeds. Though their greater numbers end up balancing out with the greater power of Witches, Madoka’s universe still lacks the energy that used to be created from the transformation of a Magical Girl into a Witch. If the Incubators aren’t able to gather energy as efficiently, even though its more humane for the Magical Girls, could that lead to a faster universal destruction by entropy?

There are two possible arguments against this claim. Unlike the pre-wish universe where girls often fought each other for control of Grief Seeds, the new universe contains plenty of Wraiths, and consequently Grief Cubes, for them to use. Since there are more opportunities to cleanse Soul Gems, Magical Girls are encouraged to cooperate with each other. While in the previous universe, Magical Girls fighting each other could be of use to Kyubey if it got them closer to becoming Witches, now it serves no purpose. This should lower Magical Girl casualties and make them a more effective force for fighting Wraiths. If they able to defeat tons of Wraiths due to this efficiency, it could compensate for the lack of Witch energy. While this certainly could help, I don’t believe it would be enough to compensate for the loss of the enormous energy created in the Witch transformations.

The other argument is that if the amount of energy and karmic balance in the pre and post-wish universes are the same, then where does that despair energy go when a Magical Girl reaches the threshold of the good their wish will provide? We see Madoka take the despair of all Magical Girls throughout time in episode 12, but that would suggest that Madoka did in fact change the karmic balance by taking in all that despair. Fans have speculated that more Wraiths are created as a result of Magical Girls reaching their limit. However, this would suggest that evil is still created when Magical Girls are overcome by despair, thus leaving the universe practically unchanged from the pre-wish universe. In order to preserve the power of Madoka’s wish, the universe’s karmic balance needs to be tilted in the favor of good for all despair Madoka took upon herself. However, we established earlier that the karmic balance was one of the universal constants that needs to be maintained. Thus, the accelerated death by entropy is the universe’s way of maintaining the balance despite Madoka taking on all that despair.

I've since learned that the way Madoka portray's entropy in rather scientifically inaccurate since the heat death of the universe won't happen for a few trillion years. Still, it's fun to theorize about.

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lupadim said:
After checking all your list, my favorite moment was 11, but its a shame you OP didnt watch One Piece, it is full of awesome damn epic defining moments.

I actually have read all of the One Piece manga and have seen a few episodes of the show. It's my favorite of the Big 3 and has a lot of great moments, both epic and sad. It was a contender, but in the end I liked the other moments more.

As for number 11:

If that is so, I don't see how "Eren gets eaten by a Titan" is a more epic/defining moment than those OP moments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqImG-E-yk4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5zQpL25PtQ

And my favorite of all anime moments:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnNPTkGcZeY

But well. Opinions.

Oct 17, 2013 9:33 AM

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lupadim said:

FierceAlchemist said:

lupadim said:
After checking all your list, my favorite moment was 11, but its a shame you OP didnt watch One Piece, it is full of awesome damn epic defining moments.

I actually have read all of the One Piece manga and have seen a few episodes of the show. It's my favorite of the Big 3 and has a lot of great moments, both epic and sad. It was a contender, but in the end I liked the other moments more.

As for number 11:

If that is so, I don't see how "Eren gets eaten by a Titan" is a more epic/defining moment than those OP moments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqImG-E-yk4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5zQpL25PtQ

And my favorite of all anime moments:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnNPTkGcZeY

But well. Opinions.

Oct 17, 2013 9:39 AM

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There was that one FMA 2003 moment

y'all need to shut the fuck up.

Oct 17, 2013 10:03 AM

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There was that one FMA 2003 moment

Oct 17, 2013 10:07 AM

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FierceAlchemist said:

miereneronaile said:

FierceAlchemist said:

miereneronaile said:
Thats a pretty good list tbh.

Especially number one, I agree with that wholly though I am fairly sure my interpretation of that ending is fairly unique /shrug.

I'm curious, what's your unique interpretation of the ending?

Err, Im to lazy to go into details but I basically think it was a complete failure on Madokas part, as well as everyone elses - and I cant really see how the ending scene with Homura was anything but a sign of impending horrible doom.

I've actually thought about that too. Although this theory could easily be debunked by the new movie, here's an excerpt from an article I've been writing about Maoka Magica as a tragedy:

However there is one potential flaw to Madoka’s wish. If Kyubey and his race are correct, has Madoka’s wish accelerated the death of the universe via entropy?

When Homura explains what the pre-wish universe was like, Kyubey immediately mentions that the transformation of Magical Girls into Witches would be a great method of gathering energy since that provides much more power than the Grief Cubes. While we know little about the Wraiths, they seem to be weaker but more numerous than the Witches, each dropping a single black cube (Grief Cube) that contains less energy than the Grief Seeds. Though their greater numbers end up balancing out with the greater power of Witches, Madoka’s universe still lacks the energy that used to be created from the transformation of a Magical Girl into a Witch. If the Incubators aren’t able to gather energy as efficiently, even though its more humane for the Magical Girls, could that lead to a faster universal destruction by entropy?

There are two possible arguments against this claim. Unlike the pre-wish universe where girls often fought each other for control of Grief Seeds, the new universe contains plenty of Wraiths, and consequently Grief Cubes, for them to use. Since there are more opportunities to cleanse Soul Gems, Magical Girls are encouraged to cooperate with each other. While in the previous universe, Magical Girls fighting each other could be of use to Kyubey if it got them closer to becoming Witches, now it serves no purpose. This should lower Magical Girl casualties and make them a more effective force for fighting Wraiths. If they able to defeat tons of Wraiths due to this efficiency, it could compensate for the lack of Witch energy. While this certainly could help, I don’t believe it would be enough to compensate for the loss of the enormous energy created in the Witch transformations.

The other argument is that if the amount of energy and karmic balance in the pre and post-wish universes are the same, then where does that despair energy go when a Magical Girl reaches the threshold of the good their wish will provide? We see Madoka take the despair of all Magical Girls throughout time in episode 12, but that would suggest that Madoka did in fact change the karmic balance by taking in all that despair. Fans have speculated that more Wraiths are created as a result of Magical Girls reaching their limit. However, this would suggest that evil is still created when Magical Girls are overcome by despair, thus leaving the universe practically unchanged from the pre-wish universe. In order to preserve the power of Madoka’s wish, the universe’s karmic balance needs to be tilted in the favor of good for all despair Madoka took upon herself. However, we established earlier that the karmic balance was one of the universal constants that needs to be maintained. Thus, the accelerated death by entropy is the universe’s way of maintaining the balance despite Madoka taking on all that despair.

I've since learned that the way Madoka portray's entropy in rather scientifically inaccurate since the heat death of the universe won't happen for a few trillion years. Still, it's fun to theorize about.

Thats a pretty big part of it, yea. Very similar to my initial thoughts on finishing the show. Basically 'Well, that failed miserably'

And then I saw the ending scene with Homura and was like yep, that would be the end result of your failure, Madoka. Still, it was one of the best endings ever either way for me so Im not to fussed if im right or wrong.

Worships Asparagus.

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miereneronaile said:

FierceAlchemist said:

miereneronaile said:

FierceAlchemist said:

miereneronaile said:
Thats a pretty good list tbh.

Especially number one, I agree with that wholly though I am fairly sure my interpretation of that ending is fairly unique /shrug.

I'm curious, what's your unique interpretation of the ending?

Err, Im to lazy to go into details but I basically think it was a complete failure on Madokas part, as well as everyone elses - and I cant really see how the ending scene with Homura was anything but a sign of impending horrible doom.

I've actually thought about that too. Although this theory could easily be debunked by the new movie, here's an excerpt from an article I've been writing about Maoka Magica as a tragedy:

However there is one potential flaw to Madoka’s wish. If Kyubey and his race are correct, has Madoka’s wish accelerated the death of the universe via entropy?

When Homura explains what the pre-wish universe was like, Kyubey immediately mentions that the transformation of Magical Girls into Witches would be a great method of gathering energy since that provides much more power than the Grief Cubes. While we know little about the Wraiths, they seem to be weaker but more numerous than the Witches, each dropping a single black cube (Grief Cube) that contains less energy than the Grief Seeds. Though their greater numbers end up balancing out with the greater power of Witches, Madoka’s universe still lacks the energy that used to be created from the transformation of a Magical Girl into a Witch. If the Incubators aren’t able to gather energy as efficiently, even though its more humane for the Magical Girls, could that lead to a faster universal destruction by entropy?

There are two possible arguments against this claim. Unlike the pre-wish universe where girls often fought each other for control of Grief Seeds, the new universe contains plenty of Wraiths, and consequently Grief Cubes, for them to use. Since there are more opportunities to cleanse Soul Gems, Magical Girls are encouraged to cooperate with each other. While in the previous universe, Magical Girls fighting each other could be of use to Kyubey if it got them closer to becoming Witches, now it serves no purpose. This should lower Magical Girl casualties and make them a more effective force for fighting Wraiths. If they able to defeat tons of Wraiths due to this efficiency, it could compensate for the lack of Witch energy. While this certainly could help, I don’t believe it would be enough to compensate for the loss of the enormous energy created in the Witch transformations.

The other argument is that if the amount of energy and karmic balance in the pre and post-wish universes are the same, then where does that despair energy go when a Magical Girl reaches the threshold of the good their wish will provide? We see Madoka take the despair of all Magical Girls throughout time in episode 12, but that would suggest that Madoka did in fact change the karmic balance by taking in all that despair. Fans have speculated that more Wraiths are created as a result of Magical Girls reaching their limit. However, this would suggest that evil is still created when Magical Girls are overcome by despair, thus leaving the universe practically unchanged from the pre-wish universe. In order to preserve the power of Madoka’s wish, the universe’s karmic balance needs to be tilted in the favor of good for all despair Madoka took upon herself. However, we established earlier that the karmic balance was one of the universal constants that needs to be maintained. Thus, the accelerated death by entropy is the universe’s way of maintaining the balance despite Madoka taking on all that despair.

I've since learned that the way Madoka portray's entropy in rather scientifically inaccurate since the heat death of the universe won't happen for a few trillion years. Still, it's fun to theorize about.

Thats a pretty big part of it, yea. Very similar to my initial thoughts on finishing the show. Basically 'Well, that failed miserably'

And then I saw the ending scene with Homura and was like yep, that would be the end result of your failure, Madoka. Still, it was one of the best endings ever either way for me so Im not to fussed if im right or wrong.

I really hope they clarify that end scene with this upcoming movie. I know the writer didn't put that in the script, that's something the director decided to make.

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FierceAlchemist said:

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There was that one FMA 2003 moment

y'all need to shut the fuck up.

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Shinsekai Yori

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Shinsekai Yori

I hear Shin Seki Yori gets really good later on, but I got bored by the first 3-4 episodes. The only thing that had kept me watching was the mystery and it didn't look like that would be answered anytime soon.

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FierceAlchemist said:

winrytohru24 said:
There was that one FMA 2003 moment

I will say one thing FMA did better than Brotherhood is some of the early arcs like Liore, Shou Tucker, and the flashback to their mom. Brotherhood sped those storylines up cause they knew a lot of people had already seen those parts back in 2003.

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ThangLongOct 20, 2013 1:55 AM

y'all need to shut the fuck up.

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Since I just finished Black Lagoon, it seems like a good pick

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FierceAlchemist said:

winrytohru24 said:

FierceAlchemist said:

winrytohru24 said:

FierceAlchemist said:

winrytohru24 said:
There was that one FMA 2003 moment

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ThangLongOct 20, 2013 2:03 AM

y'all need to shut the fuck up.

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GlassShadow said:
Since I just finished Black Lagoon, it seems like a good pick

I've only seen the first few episodes of Black Lagoon, but I liked what I saw. I should finish that show soon.

winrytohru24 said:

FierceAlchemist said:

winrytohru24 said:

FierceAlchemist said:

winrytohru24 said:

FierceAlchemist said:

winrytohru24 said:
There was that one FMA 2003 moment

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Aku no Hana

Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone.

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Thread Cleaned

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Oct 22, 2013 11:35 PM

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hxh 2011

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Last Part of Steins Gate 23

It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on.

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legend of the galactic heroes, at certain points

especially the last episode

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Considering I disagree strongly with 14 of your 20 picks, I'm just going to assume that you haven't watched a lot of anime. I can't even explain the moments in any great detail because I'd be here typing all day, if you had seen any of these, you'd know the moments and you'd agree most if not all of these should have been included.

1. Berserk

2. Grave of the Fireflies

3. Macross

4. Rose of Versailles

5. Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenkaku Romantan - Tsuiokuhen

6. Maison Ikkoku

I'm getting wary about people reading spoilers and I don't want to ruin anymore moments but I feel LOTGH, Monster, Usagi Drop, Baccano! and Now and Then, Here and There all have moments that could/should have made it at least in my opinion.

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CharlesTheWise said:
Considering I disagree strongly with 14 of your 20 picks, I'm just going to assume that you haven't watched a lot of anime. I can't even explain the moments in any great detail because I'd be here typing all day, if you had seen any of these, you'd know the moments and you'd agree most if not all of these should have been included.

1. Berserk

2. Grave of the Fireflies

3. Macross

4. Rose of Versailles

5. Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenkaku Romantan - Tsuiokuhen

6. Maison Ikkoku

I'm getting wary about people reading spoilers and I don't want to ruin anymore moments but I feel LOTGH, Monster, Usagi Drop, Baccano! and Now and Then, Here and There all have moments that could/should have made it at least in my opinion.

Only one of those is any where near worth mentioning as far as I am concerned, does that mean you have not watched enough anime?

Worships Asparagus.

Oct 23, 2013 1:45 AM

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Oh, Monster. You know, I thought of this thread recently when I saw

Still I hope the series brings more outstanding moments.

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Only one of those is any where near worth mentioning as far as I am concerned, does that mean you have not watched enough anime?

Considering you've only seen what is it........... two out of the six I mentioned? I'd say that really undercuts the point you're trying to make, maybe go watch them before you say only one is worth mentioning. You're not in a position to judge them if you haven't seen them, so stop fronting.

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Only one of those is any where near worth mentioning as far as I am concerned, does that mean you have not watched enough anime?

Considering you've only seen what is it........... two out of the six I mentioned? I'd say that really undercuts the point you're trying to make, maybe go watch them before you say only one is worth mentioning. You're not in a position to judge them if you haven't seen them, so stop fronting.

Why, a half isnt so different from 70%, and I have actually seen berserk its just not on my list.

Which means I disagree strongly with 2/3 of yours, just like you disagree strongly with 2/3 of his.

Sorry, you just havent watched enough anime. yep. Makes sense, right?

Worships Asparagus.

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miereneronaile said:

CharlesTheWise said:

Only one of those is any where near worth mentioning as far as I am concerned, does that mean you have not watched enough anime?

Considering you've only seen what is it........... two out of the six I mentioned? I'd say that really undercuts the point you're trying to make, maybe go watch them before you say only one is worth mentioning. You're not in a position to judge them if you haven't seen them, so stop fronting.

Why, a half isnt so different from 70%, and I have actually seen berserk its just not on my list.

Which means I disagree strongly with 2/3 of yours, just like you disagree strongly with 2/3 of his.

Sorry, you just havent watched enough anime. yep. Makes sense, right?

You didn't think I'd check did you, you realise you've been caught out like the fronter you are, acting like you'd seen all of those when you hadn't......... in desperation you've gone to some very flawed math, there's a huge difference between a half and 70% baby. You've learned your lesson, hopefully you won't front again.

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CharlesTheWise said:

miereneronaile said:

CharlesTheWise said:

Only one of those is any where near worth mentioning as far as I am concerned, does that mean you have not watched enough anime?

Considering you've only seen what is it........... two out of the six I mentioned? I'd say that really undercuts the point you're trying to make, maybe go watch them before you say only one is worth mentioning. You're not in a position to judge them if you haven't seen them, so stop fronting.

Why, a half isnt so different from 70%, and I have actually seen berserk its just not on my list.

Which means I disagree strongly with 2/3 of yours, just like you disagree strongly with 2/3 of his.

Sorry, you just havent watched enough anime. yep. Makes sense, right?

You didn't think I'd check did you, you realise you've been caught out like the fronter you are, acting like you'd seen all of those when you hadn't......... in desperation you've gone to some very flawed math, there's a huge difference between a half and 70% baby. You've learned your lesson, hopefully you won't front again.

Sorry, I guess you just havent watched enough anime to understand how wrong you are.

(See how fucking STUPID that argument is)

edit: Just so you know, I actually have watched berserk, and dont think it was anything special, and was being honest. That piece of pure bullshit and unbelievably arrogant reply from you, however, means that any point you make back to me here is just going to be met with a 'Sorry, you have not watched enough anime to understand' as that is what you said to the op and what I took issue with.

miereneronaileOct 23, 2013 2:08 AM

Worships Asparagus.

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When goku turns super saiyan for the first time. It changed how dragonball z worked and it put the fighting on a whole new level. Goku became so strong that technique became irrelevant.

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Last Part of Steins Gate 23

That is really good:

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