| Our assumptions are mostly based on previous experiences, Clar. It's nothing personal, so please don't feel like we're out to get you or something like that :P |
greatgreenman said: How the hell do humans have a "special"? Because we have the ability to wub... <3 (At least, according only to the cheesiest sci-fi "humanity is spared by the invading aliens" movies) Or the ability to "always stand up once more, no matter how many times we fall", if you're more of a shonen-type of guy... |
PantsManJun 26, 2014 12:47 PM
| So can you give me you opinion now that you've read my part? Are there any other problems that I should explain and/or edit? Personally I still feel I don't know the limits and rules to all of this yet. |
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| Regarding Clarus' post, I'd recommend to make it more clear that she's only play-fighting. Don't mention it outright, but scatter a few hints and details here and there. To make an example that you don't really need to follow, have her act rather jokingly and carefree up to the point when she gets seriously hurt. Banter, malicious teasing, painful but not particularly malevolent jabs are all good examples. Once your MC (as unlikely as it may sound) actually start to hurt her, you can have her switch back to a noticeably more serious, battle-ready personality only seconds before you knock her out. Underline the fact that there's a difference between "being serious" and "play-fighting" for her, along with the fact that your being able to somewhat fight back catches her by surprise and it should be pretty good to go for the time being. Perhaps a more minor wound would be recommendable, as opposed to JESUS CHRIST WHY DID YOU DISLOCATE HER SHOULDER? D:< |
PantsManJun 26, 2014 12:54 PM
PantsMan said: To make an example that you don't really need to follow, have her act rather jokingly and carefree up to the point when she gets seriously hurt. Then you can have her switch back to a noticeably more serious, battle-ready personality only seconds before you knock her out. Underline the fact that there's a difference between "being serious" and "play-fighting" for her and it should be pretty good to go. That's actually what I did do, I guess it was just too subtle for Sebune? |
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| I'm getting the impression that there is at least a little knee-jerk overreaction here. It also feels like it was explained as a werewolf getting a red-ass beating at the hands of Neville the Naked Newcomer =P I've done a lot of martial arts training over the years (not counting swords) and dislocating a shoulder isn't that hard to do on accident with any mean soft style. |
| I already said this to Clar but I'll restate it here. Scaling back on the damage done to her would make it seem more likely (instead of dislocating her shoulder, he somehow gets in a good strike to the cheek or something, maybe a little blood but nothing big). Then emphasize on her getting knocked out through her own arrogance, her momentum works against her with a little leverage from the MC, and she knocks herself out. I can buy that |
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emeraldtryst said: Imo this means that Clar's intent didn't come across clearly enough. I'm getting the impression that there is at least a little knee-jerk overreaction here. Clarus_Nox said: I would suggest you make the fight scene a bit longer to let her toy with you like PantsMan suggested. Just by doing that you're letting the reader in on the deal without actually saying anything.So can you give me you opinion now that you've read my part? Are there any other problems that I should explain and/or edit? Personally I still feel I don't know the limits and rules to all of this yet. As for what's allowed and not, read the rules and read them carefully. They cover a wide-ish spectrum of things, and if you are still unsure after that, ask either here in the tech thread, or PM Su. I would also suggest that you take the time to at least skim through one or a few of the stories which are already running to get a feel for how we "play" if you haven't already done so. |
| @Em: I can dislocate and relocate my own at will, I know its not hard. Plus my training in Krav taught me dirty ways to quickly dislocate shoulders, fingers, etc. but I just don't see it as plausible with most MGs who are pretty hardy compared to our weak constitution. |
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greatgreenman said: . but I just don't see it as plausible with most MGs who are pretty hardy compared to our weak constitution. according to the state chart werewolf's constitution is the same as human |
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| In the event of a tie, they win ^^.. house rules and what not. |
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greatgreenman said: Then emphasize on her getting knocked out through her own arrogance, her momentum works against her with a little leverage from the MC, and she knocks herself out. I can buy that This would probably be your best bet. Clarus_Nox said: That's actually what I did do, I guess it was just too subtle for Sebune? The part that was posted was actually good, but I'd need to see the whole chapter to get a better idea if it's too subtle or not. |
| I'm only weighing in on this because I don't think the shoulder is such a big deal. Hell, popping that thing back into the socket could be a totally awesome bonding experience =P I think the only concern is in avoiding another grand warlord crusade across MG island, especially at the hands of the impossi-lads from impossi-village |
| Dislocating shoulder is very easy if you fall from bike or well in any other sport you may ever chose not only martial arts... As an accident!! ...it's quite hard to break some ones bones with a single intentional hit with your bare palm. That's skillz. ...it is even harder to have your opponent believe that you are only playing after you break his/her shoulder in one precise attack |
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PantsMan said: The part that was posted was actually good, but I'd need to see the whole chapter to get a better idea if it's too subtle or not. I agree that I'd need share full thing to for everyone to give me full advise since everyone is mostly working with 2nd hand or incomplete knowledge of what took place. chimechu said: I would suggest you make the fight scene a bit longer to let her toy with you like PantsMan suggested. Just by doing that you're letting the reader in on the deal without actually saying anything. I didn't want to make it too long and it extending the fight too much would make it boring to read |
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Clarus_Nox said: greatgreenman said: . but I just don't see it as plausible with most MGs who are pretty hardy compared to our weak constitution. according to the state chart werewolf's constitution is the same as human Or munchin's number one argument e.g. using a every obscure power to get instant power up. |
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| @ Clarus_Nox: Sorry if my explanation didnt come across well (bad at that ^^), but i also tried not to spoiler too much. The thing is, you do that in the first chapter, and we already have exerience with some players that wanted to go all badass. as said before, dont take this personal. Of course i'll excuse myself for not being more clear. I also said to not take the chart too serious. yes, the chart shows the avergae chart, probably also the most a human could acheive in stats. But the MG stats are just the complete minimum (as you have for the companions. You add points so they have up to 25 points summed up. Almost the same is also true for EACH every girl on the island. Through experience, battles or whatever reason.) |
| @Clar: We don't so much mind a bit of a text wall if it lets us really get the picture. I'd worry more about the reader misunderstanding the situation (as in now) than reading too much. We tend to skim if we don't WANT to read too much, but then its our own fault if we don't get the message. |
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greatgreenman said: @Em: I can dislocate and relocate my own at will, I know its not hard. Plus my training in Krav taught me dirty ways to quickly dislocate shoulders, fingers, etc. but I just don't see it as plausible with most MGs who are pretty hardy compared to our weak constitution. Yea, I still remember the move instructor show which included catching a sliding breech of the pistol aimed at you in order to prevent it from firing. It looked cool for the show, but try that with real gun and you will get your self shot. |
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| That was a bad instructor, I was never taught to catch it, I was always told to redirect it. The idea with handling guns is that in the heat of the moment anything can happen so don't bother with anything technical, just redirect and save your neck. |
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| @Subenu it's alright, I'm not particularly good at explanation either so i can understand. But again I don't want to expand the fight as it feels like it'd take away from the quality that I wrote(pride as an author >:3) I personally don't like overpowered characters without some serious limitations and what not to balance them out. (You'll never see me using a superman type character) One thing i was planning during the story was for it to slowly but all to clearly become apparent that I am much weaker than the werewolf and other MGs as the 1st fight in truth would only give me false assumptions that the MGs aren't that much stronger than i am. |
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| Well I suppose we'll have to see how you work that in. |
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Clarus_Nox said: @Subenu it's alright, I'm not particularly good at explanation either so i can understand. But again I don't want to expand the fight as it feels like it'd take away from the quality that I wrote(pride as an author >:3) I personally don't like overpowered characters without some serious limitations and what not to balance them out. (You'll never see me using a superman type character) One thing i was planning during the story was for it to slowly but all to clearly become apparent that I am much weaker than the werewolf and other MGs as the 1st fight in truth would only give me false assumptions that the MGs aren't that much stronger than i am. Yes, understandable. see, that is a really good future preview that I like. xD maybe i should'Ve waited for another chapter or sth.^^ generally almost everything is in the rules. we just erased that part which states "every girl is (seriously fucking mega) more strong than you are" xD - because chart. Every girl is different. as Humans are. So each girl also has different experiences and stuff. |
| Sounds potentially cool to me, and my first..."fight" was about as brutally one-sided as I could imagine at the time. And mistaken impressions can go a long way towards cool story =) (my opinion, clearly) |
| Its kind of an unspoken rule but maybe it NEEDS to be spoken lol. Although I'm guilty of my own share zombie violence. In my defense I describe them as having a high degree of decomposition, making them very weak compared to the normal variety (even though they are listed as weaker either way). |
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| Well if I can get the green light I'll post it and write the next 2 chapters as well i think the next "badass moment against a MG who simply underestimated me and let me win with sheer dumb luck" will only be with my 2nd companion otherwise I think I'd be f***ed..... literally XD *though during the discussion i got a idea and am going to change up the end (after the fight) slightly as emerald stated would make for great bonding expeirence |
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| you can't have my light :3 its mine and only mine! I'd say maybe your 2nd companion "allows" you to see how you've underestimated them |
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Clarus_Nox said: I personally don't like overpowered characters without some serious limitations and what not to balance them out. (You'll never see me using a superman type character) In given setting starting with martial artist type of character or focusing too much on combat skills you clearly have and can effectively use is basically quite suspicious. Also a fastest way to superman you can achieve and make it justifiable as you "earned it". Most of us simply don't have experience to use whatever we learned effectively. What I liked about Emerald he never tried to use that "I did martial arts" in RL as excuse to walk into the MSG and beating a shit out of first dragon with "my power is over 9000" grace. Well he did that to the dragon but not in the first episode and it still didn't looked that cool either. |
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Clarus_Nox said: *though during the discussion i got a idea and am going to change up the end (after the fight) slightly as emerald stated would make for great bonding expeirence I don;t know how your dream girl suppose to be like but I would be pretty much pissed off if someone broke my arm. :-D Still I think it would be nice if you actually lose the fight to the same girl you seemingly beaten just hours before and realizing you are not as badass and you thought. :-P |
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greatgreenman said: you can't have my light :3 its mine and only mine! I'd say maybe your 2nd companion "allows" you to see how you've underestimated them more like a rock happens to fall on them :P @beast in my story it should be noted i didnt "beat the shit out of her" i was on defense the entire time and was only able to counter without injury once and took injury to get a 2nd counter in, but was practically defeated by that point. i didn't go for "I'm stronger", just more of "I'm not weak" besides my power is only 1006 :P (TFS reference if you don't get it) |
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beast_regards said: Still I think it would be nice if you actually lose the fight to the same girl you seemingly beaten just hours before and realizing you are not as badass and you thought. :-P idk how to do the spoiler thing but ima try |
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| Of course, many of our character actually went through impossible odds with insane amount of good luck in a way which isn't always realistic, but MSG is somehow built around idea your Main Character is actually reliant of existence of your companions. it's kinda hidden philosophy behind entire MSG. Relationship between our MC and our monster-girl companions differs in each story, it ranges from constant internal fight to almost perfect harmony, but they are always key to our stories. Like, of course, we don't like pathetic male leads, but we don't want to go all overpowered way either. Or at least, we try not to be that vocal about it, as point of MSG is not doing everything on your own. |
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| makes sense |
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beast_regards said: Of course, many of our character actually went through impossible odds with insane amount of good luck in a way which isn't always realistic, Speak for yourself, Fido. JD would much rather die than actually have to do anything :P |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
| my alter ego stumbles luckily through unfortunate encounters while getting beat up or not really being able to do anything xD |
Subenu said: my alter ego stumbles luckily through unfortunate encounters while getting beat up or not really being able to do anything xD Mine is kind of just a pussy who likes to run from shit and avoid conflict--Except when he's morally challenged. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
Subenu said: my alter ego stumbles luckily through unfortunate encounters while getting beat up or not really being able to do anything xD wait... you told me it's supposed to be myself not an alter ego XT |
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| badum tss. Used the wrong word, sorry. Of course I mean myself in there and try to keep it as realistic as i can. there's just some really deep pit i am currently in :-/ |
| Ehh, My MC loves to step in front of an angry Wight holding a sword and tell her I don't love her. |
| question bout the story is my character allowed to search out a way to get back to our world? (will there be hints that appear to aid towards such goal? I'm assuming in the end its not possible but i wouldn't know that if i was in the situation until i discover it) |
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Clarus_Nox said: question bout the story is my character allowed to search out a way to get back to our world? (will there be hints that appear to aid towards such goal? I'm assuming in the end its not possible but i wouldn't know that if i was in the situation until i discover it) I don't think I've seen that yet? I mean.... I haven't done that in my story. Senseless Advertisement: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1205895 |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
Clarus_Nox said: question bout the story is my character allowed to search out a way to get back to our world? (will there be hints that appear to aid towards such goal? I'm assuming in the end its not possible but i wouldn't know that if i was in the situation until i discover it) Sure your character can. why not. The most viable source for that would be one of the Lords. But those wont really be accessible from the start. |
Clarus_Nox said: Remember though that the rules forbid any modern appliances or items coming into the MG world (there may be exceptions, but in that case they need to be approved by an officer), nor can the monster girls be brought into our world.question bout the story is my character allowed to search out a way to get back to our world? (will there be hints that appear to aid towards such goal? I'm assuming in the end its not possible but i wouldn't know that if i was in the situation until i discover it) Ed. We need to talk about this as well as the potential bringing of, or having other people ending up on the island. As far as I remember someone wanted to do just this. |
Subenu said: Sure your character can. why not. The most viable source for that would be one of the Lords. But those wont really be accessible from the start. well for now i'd assume the people playing the lords and NPCs would step in when i start asking around the kingdoms and such but that might not happen until chapter 6 or 7 at earliest depending on length of chapters (though im kinda expecting to get turned away or sent on some kind of test quest before actually getting somewhere) |
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Clarus_Nox said: Subenu said: Sure your character can. why not. The most viable source for that would be one of the Lords. But those wont really be accessible from the start. well for now i'd assume the people playing the lords and NPCs would step in when i start asking around the kingdoms and such but that might not happen until chapter 6 or 7 at earliest depending on length of chapters (though im kinda expecting to get turned away or sent on some kind of test quest before actually getting somewhere) You do know, that you are in charge of everything in your story, except the lords and their environment as well as other Player Characters (and Companions) and their Story-creations? |
Clarus_Nox said: NPCs are always controlled/written by you unless it is one of the limited/special NPCs specified in the rules.well for now i'd assume the people playing the lords and NPCs would step in when i start asking around the kingdoms and such but that might not happen until chapter 6 or 7 at earliest depending on length of chapters (though im kinda expecting to get turned away or sent on some kind of test quest before actually getting somewhere) emeraldtryst said: That's because it is :PThere is a Lord's blessing in my story from Lord Amarante, though that was for makin' babies. |
| what do you mean by environment? does that mean i cant write in a storm? or cataclysm? so no using other player made characters as well as lords what about clashing plots? like meeting goal A (me) requires me to stop emerald from meeting goal B? (though i'd guess this falls under me and him would need to discuss what happens type thing) |
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| - Major world-changing events would need to be discussed. You are free to write in storms and other local, less world-breaking natural phenomenons, however. - Coop is made after an agreement between two or more players. You can not interfere with another writer's story without his or her prior consent. - Lords are always controlled by their officer. Writing in a lord into your story without the supervision or agreement (in case of eg. a cameo where they don't really do anything) of the owning officer can get your story suspended. - Likewise, you can use characters whom other writers have made, but only through mutual agreement since a character might be vital to their story etc. |
| Usually other readers will warn you that you may run into someone else (or I'd hope they would). Really big stuff you want to run by the GM of that area just in case, but it depends on how big the cataclysm might be. Storms and stuff should be fine as long as they aren't the Storm of the Century, as far as I know. |
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