Reply to Kristiwazhere
The site expanded to Asian animation in general many years ago, I'd imagine just because the fandoms for them have a lot of crossover and it would make no sense to splinter things to 3 or 4 different sites.
It makes sense, it's NOT a double standard, most, if not all, of the other anime databases have done the same thing at this point, some of them before MAL did. MAL is never going to include western "anime", get over it, thanks and stop making these assinine posts.
It makes sense, it's NOT a double standard, most, if not all, of the other anime databases have done the same thing at this point, some of them before MAL did. MAL is never going to include western "anime", get over it, thanks and stop making these assinine posts.
| @Kristiwazhere I don't consider the post stupid, but rather the way many people think. Since it is necessary to get out of that capsule in which they trapped the anime, and consider the anime an animation more (as the western / I think that western includes any part of the world). I'll give you an example: I'm from Venezuela, I used to watch my "comoquiera" as it is vulgarly called to cartoons and I never considered anime as such (I mean by its name anime but cartoons) for the simple reason that it was shown on Cartoon Network in Latin Spanish (Mexican dubbing). I remember watching Pokémon and Digimon on TV and as I said I considered them cartoons. What I mean by this is that anime is other styles of western animation (American, French, Korean, Chinese, etc.) is a cartoon. Because if you look at some point in your life your parents, a family member or a friend must have told you something like this: "so big and watching cartoons as a kid". Because it happened to me, I'm not going to be arguing with that person to say: it's not a cartoon, it's anime. Because at the end of the day it is like that only in the animes change the look and approach of the animation, but as I say: it is a matter of changing the perspective of people and take it out of that capsules, I do not know if I made myself understood. Finally, in the Kitsu site you can find all kinds of animation together whether anime or western, to be together without limitations. |
Reply to YoshiYogurt
@EnderVsqz626
Why do you trust netflix on what the original language was? Netflix calls Castlevania and Arcane "anime." They just make stuff up for marketing purposes. Do you have a screenshot or proof of this even being the case?
Why does MAL consider Scott Pilgrim "Media Hiring" but any other adaptation of stuff like the newly announced "Leviathan" young adult novel adaptation by Studio Orange gets approved immediately
Read some newer articles to see why Science Saru was considered to have full control over the anime production and why AniDB decided to consider it anime. MAL just has a stick up their ass.
https://www.awn.com/animationworld/designing-anime-style-animation-scott-pilgrim-takes
Why do you trust netflix on what the original language was? Netflix calls Castlevania and Arcane "anime." They just make stuff up for marketing purposes. Do you have a screenshot or proof of this even being the case?
Why does MAL consider Scott Pilgrim "Media Hiring" but any other adaptation of stuff like the newly announced "Leviathan" young adult novel adaptation by Studio Orange gets approved immediately
Read some newer articles to see why Science Saru was considered to have full control over the anime production and why AniDB decided to consider it anime. MAL just has a stick up their ass.
https://www.awn.com/animationworld/designing-anime-style-animation-scott-pilgrim-takes
| @YoshiYogurt ok to clarify what you say about trusting netflix: 1. is very reliable: at the time of the series, movies or anime. Since if you look at you well (I do not know if you have netflix to corroborate what I say) perfect brother and I'll pass you screenshots of several series. That said I fully trust netflix: because as far as I'm concerned they are very strict in that aspect of the original dubbing.  From top to bottom they are: My Demon = Korean dorama Demon Slayer = Japanese Scissor Seven = Mandarin Chinese Dark = German Arcane = English Now that we've cleared up the dubbing issue, let's move on to the second point you raise: Netflix calls Castlevania and Arcane "anime". Answer: I do indeed know what you mention as I happened to watch Arcane and Castlevania on Netflix. And there are netflix "anime" that start with a message that says: A netflix original anime series That message implies that those series are influenced by anime, that they are just copying Japanese animation style and implemented American, French, Chinese, Korean, etc. animation. |
Reply to EnderVsqz626
@YoshiYogurt ok to clarify what you say about trusting netflix:
1. is very reliable: at the time of the series, movies or anime.
Since if you look at you well (I do not know if you have netflix to corroborate what I say) perfect brother and I'll pass you screenshots of several series. That said I fully trust netflix: because as far as I'm concerned they are very strict in that aspect of the original dubbing.
From top to bottom they are:
My Demon = Korean dorama
Demon Slayer = Japanese
Scissor Seven = Mandarin Chinese
Dark = German
Arcane = English
Now that we've cleared up the dubbing issue, let's move on to the second point you raise: Netflix calls Castlevania and Arcane "anime".
Answer: I do indeed know what you mention as I happened to watch Arcane and Castlevania on Netflix. And there are netflix "anime" that start with a message that says:
A netflix original anime series
That message implies that those series are influenced by anime, that they are just copying Japanese animation style and implemented American, French, Chinese, Korean, etc. animation.
1. is very reliable: at the time of the series, movies or anime.
Since if you look at you well (I do not know if you have netflix to corroborate what I say) perfect brother and I'll pass you screenshots of several series. That said I fully trust netflix: because as far as I'm concerned they are very strict in that aspect of the original dubbing.
From top to bottom they are:
My Demon = Korean dorama
Demon Slayer = Japanese
Scissor Seven = Mandarin Chinese
Dark = German
Arcane = English
Now that we've cleared up the dubbing issue, let's move on to the second point you raise: Netflix calls Castlevania and Arcane "anime".
Answer: I do indeed know what you mention as I happened to watch Arcane and Castlevania on Netflix. And there are netflix "anime" that start with a message that says:
A netflix original anime series
That message implies that those series are influenced by anime, that they are just copying Japanese animation style and implemented American, French, Chinese, Korean, etc. animation.
| @EnderVsqz626 5 days later still replying?? Ok - Scott Pilgrim is on AniDB, at the end of the day it's an anime regardless of what you are any mod decides on this website. |
Reply to YoshiYogurt
@EnderVsqz626
5 days later still replying??
Ok - Scott Pilgrim is on AniDB, at the end of the day it's an anime regardless of what you are any mod decides on this website.
5 days later still replying??
Ok - Scott Pilgrim is on AniDB, at the end of the day it's an anime regardless of what you are any mod decides on this website.
| @YoshiYogurt Sorry for the delay, it's not my fault that the official MAL APP doesn't have one for dialogue, and I have to rely on the chrome browser on my mobile to see the notifications. It's already clear how reliable Netflix's original dub is. The other thing is it doesn't matter what the person says about Arcane or Castlevania, those are Netflix Original Series. And finally I don't disagree with you about Scott Pilgrim Takes Off, I know it's an anime with all the right in the world because sites like AniList put it up: https://anilist.co/anime/170206/Scott-Pilgrim-Takes-Off/ |
Reply to SiekoValantin
This whole thread is people gatekeeping anime. I was also curious why it wasn't on my anime list, and people are making excuses out the ass as to why it's not anime.
Simply put, there have been exceptions made for many Korean and Chinese anime/cartoons. People say it's the art style, but anime like Way of the House Husband and Land of the Lustrous are on here. Other people say it's also in part to the fact one creator is only half Japanese, and her husband, the other creator, is Israeli. Some people say it's because the company is French Canadian, when I assure you not all anime from Korea and China are made by Japanese studios.
People point out that the animated series of Batman, Superman, Iron-man, X-men, etc. are made by Madhouse for an American Audience, but still on My Anime List. And that Afro Samurai doesn't even have a Japanese dub, and is also on here somehow.
It just sounds like a ton of gatekeeping. It feels like the answer isn't "It wasn't Japanese enough," and was just "Because it was made in America."
I was surprised to find Blue Eye Samurai and Castlevania not on here, but Cyberpunk: Edgerunners is.
Simply put, there have been exceptions made for many Korean and Chinese anime/cartoons. People say it's the art style, but anime like Way of the House Husband and Land of the Lustrous are on here. Other people say it's also in part to the fact one creator is only half Japanese, and her husband, the other creator, is Israeli. Some people say it's because the company is French Canadian, when I assure you not all anime from Korea and China are made by Japanese studios.
People point out that the animated series of Batman, Superman, Iron-man, X-men, etc. are made by Madhouse for an American Audience, but still on My Anime List. And that Afro Samurai doesn't even have a Japanese dub, and is also on here somehow.
It just sounds like a ton of gatekeeping. It feels like the answer isn't "It wasn't Japanese enough," and was just "Because it was made in America."
I was surprised to find Blue Eye Samurai and Castlevania not on here, but Cyberpunk: Edgerunners is.
SiekoValantin said: I was surprised to find Blue Eye Samurai and Castlevania not on here, but Cyberpunk: Edgerunners is. Cyberpunk: Edgerunners : Japanese studio Blue Eye Samurai: non-japanese (western) Castlevania: non-japanese (western) |
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Reply to Fleeting_Dream
@Burock99
American cartoon made for an American audience.
It does not meet the standards of MAL's database.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101
American cartoon made for an American audience.
It does not meet the standards of MAL's database.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101
| @Fleeting_Dream it is not cartoon. It is cgi like "Hi Score Girl". |
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Reply to KusagiTsuki
@EnderVsqz626 You defined it correctly "๐ฏ๐ต Japan = Anime" and this site is called MyAnimeList... So are we really going to be biased against other animations but allow chinese crap? Crap that is for 985th time same poorly animated stuff about ancient china with motive "cHiNa gOoD" that is made purely to rival japan in "soft influence" and to be political PR of CCP...
| @KusagiTsuki Wow, a year later this discussion continues. Let me put it simply: Anime is a style of animation originating in Japan that is characterised by its unique visual style, such as large expressive eyes and extravagant hairstyles, and a wide range of genres and themes. In other words, anime is just another form of animation, it is not superior to Chinese, Korean, American or French animations (incidentally, Blue Eyes Samurai is made in France). So what I find unpleasant about your comment is that you call Donghua and Aeni rubbish. There are people who like that animation (I've seen several and I have to say they're good, with nothing to envy anime). At the end of the day, as you mention, ALL THREE HAVE BEEN ASIAN ANIMATION FOR A YEAR. Just because the site is called MYANIMELIST doesn't mean it has to make distinctions, since at the end of the day, THEY'RE ALL ANIMATION. I have accounts on other listing sites and they all include Donghua and Aeni (AniList and Anime-Planet), another one even goes further and mixes influenced anime called Kitsu (and you can find everything from Avatar Aang/Korra to Miles Morales' Spider-Man) . . . Anyway, you shouldn't trample on other people's tastes just because you don't like Donghua and Aeni, whether it's because of their style or their voices. By the way, both Donghua and Aeni have gained quite a lot of popularity. |
Blue eye samurai is produced in United states with staff being from US. For example sth like scott pilgrim counts as anime since it is produced by Japanese studio science saru with the staff being 99% japanese with the director whom now directs dandadan s2. But this blue eye samurai is just animated series. |
Reply to EnderVsqz626
@Kumorini
If you read the forum, you will see that there has already been talk about Donghua (Chinese animation) and Aeni (Korean animation). you can find it here:
In my personal opinion there is nothing wrong with adding Donghua and Aeni to MAL, because it is about Eastern Asia that are made up of:
So I don't see the problem, what you say?
If you read the forum, you will see that there has already been talk about Donghua (Chinese animation) and Aeni (Korean animation). you can find it here:
Technopunk said:
It could do it, but the site would have to be altered as a result, just the same way it was altered with the inclusion of Chinese and Korean works. The issue adding all the new databases will be a temporary thing in the grand scheme of things, so long as the acceptance process isnt as slow as it is now. Would have fixed and added a lot of the database info myself by now if the editing was not so reliant on so few mods curating every edit queue.
It could do it, but the site would have to be altered as a result, just the same way it was altered with the inclusion of Chinese and Korean works. The issue adding all the new databases will be a temporary thing in the grand scheme of things, so long as the acceptance process isnt as slow as it is now. Would have fixed and added a lot of the database info myself by now if the editing was not so reliant on so few mods curating every edit queue.
In my personal opinion there is nothing wrong with adding Donghua and Aeni to MAL, because it is about Eastern Asia that are made up of:
- ๐จ๐ณ China = Donghua
- ๐ฐ๐ต North Korean = Aeni
- ๐ฐ๐ท South Korea = Aeni
- ๐ฏ๐ต Japan = Anime
- ๐ฒ๐ณ Mongolia
- ๐น๐ผ Taiwan
Dependencies
- ๐ญ๐ฐ Hong Kong
- ๐ฒ๐ด Macau
Countries
So I don't see the problem, what you say?
| @EnderVsqz626 Where is the Russian animation representation, its basically taking half of Eastern Asia geographically by default? There is a severe lack of Masha and the Bear on MAL. Kind of a joke but, where do we draw the lines on whats "east asian" enough? Aesthetics dont count cause thats no longer an assured factor of where the work comes from due to creative intermixing of ideas and influences. Country of origin? We have Korean and Chinese content on this site that has no connections to Japanese productions. Now start adding Mongolia to the mix and why not just start adding Russia as well, they are East Asian too if you count all the ethnic people living in East Asian part of Russia, many of which are ethnically connected with Mongolia, China, Korea, and Japan if we dig deep enough. To be honest, all of these criteria seem to be vibes based, which is subjective to say the least. Its not really following facts, just feelings of what someone thinks anime should be. |
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Reply to jacobPOL
Blue eye samurai is produced in United states with staff being from US.
For example sth like scott pilgrim counts as anime since it is produced by Japanese studio science saru with the staff being 99% japanese with the director whom now directs dandadan s2. But this blue eye samurai is just animated series.
For example sth like scott pilgrim counts as anime since it is produced by Japanese studio science saru with the staff being 99% japanese with the director whom now directs dandadan s2. But this blue eye samurai is just animated series.
| @jacobPOL What about the animation studio? Doesn't that count? Instead of just bringing in the directors or screenwriters, you should take a look at their animation studio, because without the most important pillar, it would just be an idea on paper. So instead of copying and pasting from Wikipedia, I recommend reading and analysing, because if you do, you'll notice what I noticed from the beginning: Blue Eye Samurai is a French-American animated series for adults created and written by husband and wife Amber Noizumiy and Michael Green, co-produced and animated by the French studio Blue Spirit. Country of origin [b]France United States 1st - The description clearly states: Franco-American. In case you don't know, Franco comes from France ๐ซ๐ท 2nd - the animation studio is and always will be more important than the directors/screenwriters, because as I mentioned at the beginning, without it, it would just be an idea on paper. By this I don't mean that they are not indispensable, but that the studio comes first. 3rd - Although most episodes feature the names of Amber Noizumi & Michael Green (who are the screenwriters), in episode 7 you will see the name of Yana Bille-Chung (who is French), and among the directors of each episode we can see Chinese, French and American names. |
Reply to Technopunk
@EnderVsqz626 Where is the Russian animation representation, its basically taking half of Eastern Asia geographically by default?
There is a severe lack of Masha and the Bear on MAL.
Kind of a joke but, where do we draw the lines on whats "east asian" enough? Aesthetics dont count cause thats no longer an assured factor of where the work comes from due to creative intermixing of ideas and influences. Country of origin? We have Korean and Chinese content on this site that has no connections to Japanese productions. Now start adding Mongolia to the mix and why not just start adding Russia as well, they are East Asian too if you count all the ethnic people living in East Asian part of Russia, many of which are ethnically connected with Mongolia, China, Korea, and Japan if we dig deep enough.
To be honest, all of these criteria seem to be vibes based, which is subjective to say the least. Its not really following facts, just feelings of what someone thinks anime should be.
There is a severe lack of Masha and the Bear on MAL.
Kind of a joke but, where do we draw the lines on whats "east asian" enough? Aesthetics dont count cause thats no longer an assured factor of where the work comes from due to creative intermixing of ideas and influences. Country of origin? We have Korean and Chinese content on this site that has no connections to Japanese productions. Now start adding Mongolia to the mix and why not just start adding Russia as well, they are East Asian too if you count all the ethnic people living in East Asian part of Russia, many of which are ethnically connected with Mongolia, China, Korea, and Japan if we dig deep enough.
To be honest, all of these criteria seem to be vibes based, which is subjective to say the least. Its not really following facts, just feelings of what someone thinks anime should be.
| @Technopunk Sorry, but I included Russia. I got that from Wikipedia a year ago. I don't know if Russia has been added since then, but that's not important. I understand what you mean when you say: It's not really following facts, just feelings of what someone thinks anime should be. Since anime is currently a global cultural phenomenon due to its artistic, narrative and economic influence, reflecting and shaping Japanese and world culture. Its success is due to its unique visual style, the diversity of its themes, which range from fantasy to profound social issues, and its ability to connect diverse audiences through fan communities (otakus) that actively promote it. Evolution and recognition: From Japan to the world: Anime has transcended its origins as a niche form of entertainment to become a multi-billion pound global industry. Adaptation and universality: Its ability to connect with different cultures and its accessibility make it a universal medium that offers a sense of belonging and inspiration to viewers from different backgrounds. In other words, anime has become so popular that everyone wants a slice ๐ฐof that pie ๐, which is why there are currently so many co-productions that there is absurd fighting everywhere (over animations that are not even remotely similar, but those people believe they are ๐๐๐). Just ask this guy here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2210222&show=0 |
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