Reply to Blueberry173
@ktg not really, i gave jjk season 1 a 6/10 so i am obviously not a huge fan from the get go, nor do i personally care about the studio that much, but the animation is genuinely great, the "inconsistencies" in art style is simply an artistic choice and not an error, and honestly an improvement.
@Blueberry173  Pls elaborate on this "artistic choice". You aren't making any sense here, because you admitted that S2 have VISIBLE inconsistencies, and yet you said its an improvement from S1. Lets be honest here: Have you seen anyone who complained about S1 animation and artstyle? Maybe you have, but thats literally the 1% and is the minority. Now, we have S2, with a lot more ppl complaining about the animation and artstyle. Do you get what this means. If more ppl are complaining about it, the animation/artstyle does have more problems with it. I literally can't understand anyone who says its an "improvement" to S1.  I just paused at a random frame, and you think faceless sukuna has an improvement to this? |
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Reply to Blueberry173
@ktg not really, i gave jjk season 1 a 6/10 so i am obviously not a huge fan from the get go, nor do i personally care about the studio that much, but the animation is genuinely great, the "inconsistencies" in art style is simply an artistic choice and not an error, and honestly an improvement.
| @Blueberry173 Hey, let me give you one more faceless sukuna, since you like this "improvment artstyle"  |
| Itsuki > |
| Imagine being an overworked, severely underpaid animator, putting in ungodly hours on an inhumane production schedule to just barely finish episodes mere hours before their scheduled broadcast, only to turn around and have half-brained entitled fucks tell you that they want you to redo the whole thing. Do morons with this mindset think the staff WANTS to release episodes that don't realize their full potential? I'm willing to bet that they're more upset about releasing a subpar product, than we are about receiving a subpar product, and even then, these last few episodes have NOT been subpar (idgaf if ep 17 was only 30% of their vision, it was fire). I'm not putting this on Mappa animators, I'm putting it on their shit-for-brains CEO who seems to have no problem taking on every project under the sun so Mappa can speedrun catching up to studios like Kyoani and ufotable. That's what leads to their god-awful scheduling and the crunch these animators have had to put up with. At the end of the day, they're doing the best they can under horrible circumstances, and are still managing to give us a great adaptation and episodes like the most recent one. And yes, this adaptation is great, the manga purists can bitch all they want but this adaptation is literally elevating practically everything about this arc's manga counterpart. From extending fights (literally like half of both fights from ep 16, and a good majority of ep 17 were anime-original), to rearranging certain events to make the arc flow better, this has been a vast improvement on the manga. Forget a reanimation lol, at this point I need Mappa to let go of JJK, and hopefully it follows the footsteps of Seven Deadly Sins (post-S2) or OPM S2, where it goes to a different studio who gives us a final result that's a clear downgrade from what we got before. Obviously the CEO would probably let Mappa burn to the ground before EVER allowing that to happen, but it's funny to imagine things that would take happiness away from a horrible fandom that doesn't deserve it. You've got things like Tokyo Ghoul, Promised Neverland, shit, even look at Hell's fucking Paradise, that deserve remakes or reanimations, but sure, JJK fans love to complain about their series that already looks better than 90% of whatever is airing right now. |
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Reply to Fuhrer_Wrath
I've said this before.
But JJK fans eerily remind me a lot of AiT fans during Season 4.
The same excuses of this is the best thing to ever happen. This is the best Manga, this is peak Arc it deserves the best possible animation ever.
But this time it seems even more ridiculous because JJK Season 2 clearly has a much better animation than AoT S4.(Parts 1 & 2).
And it's still the same complaints.
I guess some things really don't change.
But JJK fans eerily remind me a lot of AiT fans during Season 4.
The same excuses of this is the best thing to ever happen. This is the best Manga, this is peak Arc it deserves the best possible animation ever.
But this time it seems even more ridiculous because JJK Season 2 clearly has a much better animation than AoT S4.(Parts 1 & 2).
And it's still the same complaints.
I guess some things really don't change.
| @Fuhrer_Wrath it's probably because mappa changed in art style. Some people were fine including myself while some didn't like the changes. It's not shit if people are claiming it, the change is just noticeable. The changes in art style mid season definitely has to do with MAPPA studio's current situation with overworked situation to push it out this week instead of delaying a week or 2 like zom100. The staffs themselves have already said the ep was unfinished. If the animators claimed it unfinished and someone just being ignorant and disagree it, that's just a clear sign of a mappa fanboys. As for AOT S4, WIT studio did S1-S3. The change in studio definitely divided the community due to change in art style being animated. Not a great example to compare to this JJK discussion since it was Mappa that did S1. |
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Reply to ktg
Blueberry173 said:
@ktg first of all i literally talked about inconsistencies in art style, for example ep 15 to ep 16, and some scenes of ep 17, not about the inconsistencies in the animation, you should learn to read, that really is an artistic choice and no one said otherwise, overworking the employees surely results in episodes which don't reach their max potential but the animation is still good nonetheless.
Perhaps assuming you would read correctly was too much.
@ktg first of all i literally talked about inconsistencies in art style, for example ep 15 to ep 16, and some scenes of ep 17, not about the inconsistencies in the animation, you should learn to read, that really is an artistic choice and no one said otherwise, overworking the employees surely results in episodes which don't reach their max potential but the animation is still good nonetheless.
Perhaps assuming you would read correctly was too much.
Oh, sorry, go learn about animation first. Art style is one aspect of animation. The same is true for coloring, shading, FPS etc, these things are part of the animation, so even if you name one, for example, color palette, at the end this has an effect on the overall animation.
So stupid that you try to act clever when you don't even know the basics.
And btw, this was my original statement that people don't know anything about animation. Like I said, you proved my point.
| @ktg dude wrote his own fanfiction by bending my point to levels yet unknown to myself, congratulations. Now tell me how any of that is relevant to what i said? My point was that the animation is good and the only "problem" people are complaining about is the change in art style or just saying gibberish, and that the change in art style is not an inherent flaw. Thanks for not contributing anything to the discussion at hand, i rest my case, again, i would advice you to learn to read and comprehend because what you just said here doesnt seem to contradict with anything i said. |
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Reply to Zimmu
@Blueberry173
Pls elaborate on this "artistic choice". You aren't making any sense here, because you admitted that S2 have VISIBLE inconsistencies, and yet you said its an improvement from S1. Lets be honest here: Have you seen anyone who complained about S1 animation and artstyle? Maybe you have, but thats literally the 1% and is the minority. Now, we have S2, with a lot more ppl complaining about the animation and artstyle. Do you get what this means. If more ppl are complaining about it, the animation/artstyle does have more problems with it. I literally can't understand anyone who says its an "improvement" to S1.
I just paused at a random frame, and you think faceless sukuna has an improvement to this?
Pls elaborate on this "artistic choice". You aren't making any sense here, because you admitted that S2 have VISIBLE inconsistencies, and yet you said its an improvement from S1. Lets be honest here: Have you seen anyone who complained about S1 animation and artstyle? Maybe you have, but thats literally the 1% and is the minority. Now, we have S2, with a lot more ppl complaining about the animation and artstyle. Do you get what this means. If more ppl are complaining about it, the animation/artstyle does have more problems with it. I literally can't understand anyone who says its an "improvement" to S1.
I just paused at a random frame, and you think faceless sukuna has an improvement to this?
| @Zimmu 1. i am referring to the use of shadowless and more drawing-like art style, enough said. 2. This was in fat needed to bring the best out of the scale of the events happening, season 1 didn't have anything even close so this wasn't needed. I'll be laughing at your face if you think ep 16 and 17 were possible with season 1 animation. 3. *Big facepalm* This... Is called "animation" not "portrait drawing competition" you are not supposed to be isolating frames, the reason naruto vs pain was bad when they did this was because there were multiple frames with nearly similar looking panels for multiple seconds with wonky drawings, this is not the case here because its much more dynamic and flows well |
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Reply to Blueberry173
@Zimmu
1. i am referring to the use of shadowless and more drawing-like art style, enough said.
2. This was in fat needed to bring the best out of the scale of the events happening, season 1 didn't have anything even close so this wasn't needed. I'll be laughing at your face if you think ep 16 and 17 were possible with season 1 animation.
3. *Big facepalm* This... Is called "animation" not "portrait drawing competition" you are not supposed to be isolating frames, the reason naruto vs pain was bad when they did this was because there were multiple frames with nearly similar looking panels for multiple seconds with wonky drawings, this is not the case here because its much more dynamic and flows well
1. i am referring to the use of shadowless and more drawing-like art style, enough said.
2. This was in fat needed to bring the best out of the scale of the events happening, season 1 didn't have anything even close so this wasn't needed. I'll be laughing at your face if you think ep 16 and 17 were possible with season 1 animation.
3. *Big facepalm* This... Is called "animation" not "portrait drawing competition" you are not supposed to be isolating frames, the reason naruto vs pain was bad when they did this was because there were multiple frames with nearly similar looking panels for multiple seconds with wonky drawings, this is not the case here because its much more dynamic and flows well
| @Blueberry173 brother is laughing at my face when your dumbass said "but the animation is genuinely great, the "inconsistencies" in art style is simply an artistic choice and not an error, and honestly an improvement." You said artstyle. Thats why I showed you faceless sukuna. And my dude thinks its an artistic choice and is an improvement. What are you, blind? You said shadowless and more drawing like art style but not caring enough to elaborate anything at all. Where are your arguments then? "drawing like artstyle"? That isnt even a term. Also, when the fuck did I talk about animation alone. I said "animation & artstyle". In this case, I was referring to the artstyle. Are you too stupid to get that? You are mad at me for smth I didn't even talk about, which is animation. I mean, if you really want to look at it deeply, artstyle IS part of animation. Admitting problems with artstyle is sort of like admitting problems with animation. But lets not be that specific here. For ur number 2. Oh god I dont even care to argue at this point. can you like not leave half of your points and stop talking about it? "This was in fat needed to bring the best out of the scale of the events happening" Yeah, where is the explanation. Look, I get what you are trying to say but this isn't how you argue with someone. I need facts. You want to persuade me smth, then bring out evidence. Do they not teach that in schools? |
ZimmuNov 18, 2023 8:06 AM
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Reply to Blueberry173
@ktg first of all i literally talked about inconsistencies in art style, for example ep 15 to ep 16, and some scenes of ep 17, not about the inconsistencies in the animation, you should learn to read, that really is an artistic choice and no one said otherwise, overworking the employees surely results in episodes which don't reach their max potential but the animation is still good nonetheless.
Perhaps assuming you would read correctly was too much.
Perhaps assuming you would read correctly was too much.
| @Blueberry173 You see, you are talking about artstyle. This is the exact point I was rebuting you for. And then you start to get salty because you thought I was talking about animation. You are telling others they can't read, but what about yourself? |
| Itsuki > |
Reply to ktg
Animaticide said:
The irony in this statement is so dense it would rival a blackhole lmao
ktg said:
People don't know anything about animation. They call it good, because they like the show or because it's MAPPA.
That's all.
People don't know anything about animation. They call it good, because they like the show or because it's MAPPA.
That's all.
The irony in this statement is so dense it would rival a blackhole lmao
People call the latest episode well animated, while the animators themselves said that it was a 3 out of 10 animation.
This fact itself proves my point.
| @ktg Im on your side for this. People can't be brainlessly defending things and happy with being fed anything, even unfinished products everyweek. We are kind of doomed. |
| Itsuki > |
| some of yall dont deserve this peak :| |
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Reply to Zimmu
@Blueberry173
brother is laughing at my face when your dumbass said "but the animation is genuinely great, the "inconsistencies" in art style is simply an artistic choice and not an error, and honestly an improvement." You said artstyle. Thats why I showed you faceless sukuna. And my dude thinks its an artistic choice and is an improvement. What are you, blind? You said shadowless and more drawing like art style but not caring enough to elaborate anything at all. Where are your arguments then? "drawing like artstyle"? That isnt even a term.
Also, when the fuck did I talk about animation alone. I said "animation & artstyle". In this case, I was referring to the artstyle. Are you too stupid to get that? You are mad at me for smth I didn't even talk about, which is animation. I mean, if you really want to look at it deeply, artstyle IS part of animation. Admitting problems with artstyle is sort of like admitting problems with animation. But lets not be that specific here.
For ur number 2. Oh god I dont even care to argue at this point. can you like not leave half of your points and stop talking about it? "This was in fat needed to bring the best out of the scale of the events happening" Yeah, where is the explanation. Look, I get what you are trying to say but this isn't how you argue with someone. I need facts. You want to persuade me smth, then bring out evidence. Do they not teach that in schools?
brother is laughing at my face when your dumbass said "but the animation is genuinely great, the "inconsistencies" in art style is simply an artistic choice and not an error, and honestly an improvement." You said artstyle. Thats why I showed you faceless sukuna. And my dude thinks its an artistic choice and is an improvement. What are you, blind? You said shadowless and more drawing like art style but not caring enough to elaborate anything at all. Where are your arguments then? "drawing like artstyle"? That isnt even a term.
Also, when the fuck did I talk about animation alone. I said "animation & artstyle". In this case, I was referring to the artstyle. Are you too stupid to get that? You are mad at me for smth I didn't even talk about, which is animation. I mean, if you really want to look at it deeply, artstyle IS part of animation. Admitting problems with artstyle is sort of like admitting problems with animation. But lets not be that specific here.
For ur number 2. Oh god I dont even care to argue at this point. can you like not leave half of your points and stop talking about it? "This was in fat needed to bring the best out of the scale of the events happening" Yeah, where is the explanation. Look, I get what you are trying to say but this isn't how you argue with someone. I need facts. You want to persuade me smth, then bring out evidence. Do they not teach that in schools?
| @Zimmu i am well aware from the get go about how i was talking about the inconsistencies in the art style so you don't need to word it as if i am talking about something else and talking about another thing. Honestly i do not know the term for the art style they switched to for 16-17 but its very visible, there have literally been multiple threads about it, my point was always that this change is not an error, while people are talking about it as if it is. Best i can show to back this up is this after looking for it: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=2129149&id=70139440 Zimmu said: This was in fat needed to bring the best out of the scale of the events happening" Yeah, where is the explanation Here i don't see why extremely clear lines needs explanation. To break it down more if you need it: The scale of things happening in season 1 was extremely minor, we didn't have buildings falling, cars flying around, people panicking while characters are fighting all at once, this needs more fluidity, pulling this off with season 1 artstyle is extremely hard because in season 1 they only had to focus on character movements most of the time anyway. |
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Reply to TheSecondOne135
ktg said:
Probably older than you, because you couldn't calculate my age from my birth date.
But it's also a pretty stupid take, because even one of the animators said that the latest episode is a 3/10. So I assume you will question him too based on his age.
Probably older than you, because you couldn't calculate my age from my birth date.
But it's also a pretty stupid take, because even one of the animators said that the latest episode is a 3/10. So I assume you will question him too based on his age.
💀 animators didn't say it was 3/10. they said it was 30% complete but still people liked it and the animation was fire
| @TheSecondOne135 You know what's ironic in this situation? Saying it is fire and great means for mappa that they can continue releasing unfinished products, because blind consumers will consume it and won't complain. It's far from great. I don't know anyone who was capable of following action in the latest episode and you know why action was hard to follow? Because of ton of missing frames. This animation is not good, but you get the feeling it is, because you see on the screen that a lot happens, but so what when you can't comprehend exactly what's going on. |
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The animation is bad, but I wouldn't want any of them to feel bad when it's not their fault; it's either the production committee & or MAPPA higher ups. |
Top tier animation here folks 💀 Poor animators, they deserve a rest for what they're being put through. The anime industry needs to change because it's just a mess & animators are paying for it.  |
Reply to Leon888
@Blueberry173 And since when are artistic choices not criticisable?
| @Leon888 sure, but doesnt it come down to personal preference at that point? How someone represents art and how someone else likes it is totally subjective |
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Reply to Leon888
@thebrentinator24 But do you cry every time someone criticizes the animation? Then I remember the inconsistency when I criticized the animation of Hell's Paradise and you defended it fiercely, now you say Hell's Paradise should be remade... if you're not a troll then I don't know what you are 🤣
| @Leon888 I'm sure you have a good time projecting onto others but no, sadly, I'm not a troll, genius. |
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Reply to Leon888
@Blueberry173 It may be subjective or not, but the point is that if there are so many people who are criticizing the show, it means that the show is not doing its job as best as it can...
| @Leon888 i can't help but feel like that's the vocal minority which keeps making the same "animation is shit" threads |
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Reply to Leon888
@thebrentinator24 Then you're just contradictory, the first to defend Mappa every time someone attacks him and then it turns out that you too are not satisfied with their work... and Hell's paradise is an example of this 😂
| @Leon888 Ah yes, I name a singular Mappa anime and that means I'm completely unsatisfied with their work. Also, Mappa as a company can go fuck themselves, I'm defending the actual animators who get shit on when they're trying to do the best they can with a terrible schedule. |
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Reply to Blueberry173
@Leon888 i can't help but feel like that's the vocal minority which keeps making the same "animation is shit" threads
| @Blueberry173 People will always make those threads when a change in animation style happens. If season 1/JJK0 had this season's animation, and this season had their animation, people would still be making those threads regardless. |
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