ThorLL said: Still the could make main cast much more reasonable. For example in Naruto, all three main protagonist were very relatable. They had clear aims they aspired to achieve. They called spade a spade. Had their likes and dislikes. Emotions, character. I can't tell a lot about Naruto, because I dropped this show pretty early, but I think it's unfair to compare these two series, simply because of their length. Naruto (manga) has way more chapters than Kimetsu no Yaiba (manga), so obviously there had been way bigger potential to flesh out many characters to a decent level in Naruto than it was in Kimetsu no Yaiba. Same goes with anime adaptations of those mangas. Ufotable adapts Kimetsu no Yaiba faithfully to the source material and without fillers. If we combine it with how much less chapters KnY manga has (compared to Naruto), we will see how disadvantegous the whole comparison is towards KnY. One could say that it's also quite unfortunate towards Naruto itself, because it implies that a series with way more manga volumes released can be comparable in terms of writing to a franchise with way less volumes. But like I said, I can't tell much about Naruto. I'm not familiar with its plot, so I can only comment on what I saw myself or read about Naruto as a whole. To me, it's a solid shounen, just like Kimetsu no Yaiba or One Piece or pretty much all of popular shows belonging to that genre. ThorLL said: In contrast Demon Slayer crew is basically emotionless tools who just endure shit others throw at them. Hmm, I often hear about the main cast of Naruto being rather bland in terms of writing, compared to side-characters or villains. MeltingSky said: Shounen is at its heart a genre at least primarily aimed at a younger audience. I think people tend to forget that, so the first thing they do when they don't like a particular shounen is to attack it as having "bad writing" due to their plots generally being a bit more simple and straightforward and their characters a bit more one note. Demon Slayers' plot is very straightforward focusing more instead on its characters which actually have been given some pretty solid development for a shounen, particularly the villains. It's difficult for me to evaluate a genre that isn't intended for me to begin with since I'm long past the time in my life I could be considered a shounen myself, but Demon Slayer doesn't seem to have particularly "bad writing" for this genre. I think a lot of people either are not in the age demographic this type of show is intended for, or they simply don't like that it kills off its characters which makes them feel bad which they then equate with bad writing. That's not really bad writing. It's an action show with tragic elements intended for a younger audience. Exactly, well said. People tend to forget to what kind of viewers shounen animes are dedicated in the first place. The target audience, as the name suggests, are teenage boys. That's the demographic of this genre. Sure, it doesn't mean that older people can't watch or read this stuff. However, when talking about a shounen show, it's good to keep in mind in high regard what kind of "typical enjoyer" is like. Heck, even putting it over typical technical elements of the genre in this case doesn't sound like a bad idea, given how huge is the role of demographic for these types of shows. After all, their genre's name derivates from it, heh. I often see people complaining about shounen animes (the more popular, the more negative feedback they get), but most of those complaints are basically limited to thrashing certain series for having elements... typical for a genre it represents. Of course, these types of people usually don't say it out loud, hiding behind buzzphrases such as "bad writing", "crappy characters", "power of friendship shit", and so on, but most of their complaints are essentially thrashing shounen series for just being shounen. Apologies for overusing the word, but that's how it is like. You can find people hating shounen series for having elements typical for shounen series. As much bizarre as it sounds like, there are people genuinely believing that such stance is a fair critique. Nah, it isn't. I know that a lot of folks have low self-esteem and have to brag about having "high standards" while watching cartoons dedicated to teenagers, but the behavior I described earlier is basically a clownery. Imagine writing essays on how Donald Duck is the worst character in history, because Aragorn from Tolkien's universe is better; or imagine fiercely insulting a horror show for being scary and having spooky atmosphere. Both examples give exactly the same energy as hating an animated show, because it fist into its respective genre's standards. Biased approach, illogical arguments. Sanjii_1234 said: but still Ed was much bearable because he felt like a character unlike tanjirou which is second coming of Jesus. Depends on a person you ask. As for me, both of them are cliche characters. Edward is a typical trickster teenager, while Tanjiro is a typical overly kind character. They differ from each other, but also both of them fit into the standards of the shounen genre their shows belong to. |
AdnashApr 7, 2023 3:19 AM
| No, and to me KnY is a perfect example for this. |
| When it comes to manga a good story can save an otherwise mediocre presentation for me. As for anime, no. There the characters and their interactions are more important for me. A show can have the best animation and best plot ever conceived by humanity but if the characters feel flat and uninspired it's a definite drop for me. A show with decent characters and a meh presentation can still hook me even if the plot is going nowhere tho. |
| @Adnash Naruto kind of evolves (more like devolves) closer to Tanjiro as show progresses. In early original (pre Shippuden) he was a loud critic of various shit. He also was ambitious. However as show continued he slowly became kind conservative defender of existing order and shit. Irony of that is that the original Naruto might as well want to oppose someone he has become past Shippuden. |
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| if a story is great and the animation isn’t I don’t think it affects me much because I’m immersed in the plot if a bad story is also badly animated it makes it even worse because it lacks any redeeming qualities (higehiro, angel next door spoils me rotten) if an average story has god tier animation I do think my opinion of it would be more positive, but if a bad story has god tier animation it won’t matter much since a bad story is the biggest dealbreaker those are generalisations but I’d say they apply in most cases |
| i mean sure it can increase the score for me but im not gonna just overlook the bad parts because it has some good parts |
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