Nattsun said: Same goes for me. Why would you be ashamed of something you like. One of my work mates is in his mid 40s and wears my little pony shirts, he enjoys that stuff and I respect it that he is so open about it. ... And that doesn't come off as creepy? I can understand guys in their teens and twenties but anybody over the age of 30 and people would expect that guy to drive a windowless van with "free candy" spray-painted on the side. It has it's upsides as well. More anime can potentially drag in more viewers who are not into anime (yet) and you may find a new "masterpiece". But your mentioned downsides are indeed a problem, some shows are just advertisement for the source material, but I assume that's because people refuse to pay for anime, but may pay for manga or any other source material if the anime isn't completed or doesn't tell the entire story. What is a shame is some of the adaptations are better than the source material. I know some people love them but as an avid reader I have never been able to get past the first 10 pages of any translated light novel. I've read works translated from Japanese (Yasunari Kawabata, Yukio Mishima, Haruki Murakami, etc.) but these light novels are just badly written. Anyway, that's beside the point. Some of these adaptations are pretty good. Unfortunately, they usually only shell out for two seasons of adaptation. This is why Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai and Log Horizon, and heck, even Haruhi Suzumiya, have never really finished. "Want to know how it all ends? Buy the light novels! Cha-ching!!" This is going to happen with everything. Most themes are overused. Remember when every second show used to be a harem? Every season has a cute girls show that is a 4 koma manga adaption. It's nothing new and every "era" comes to an end, just like "the end" of the mecha genre. The adaptation train is only part of the problem, it isn't the problem itself. I'm specifically worried about the entire continuum. Let me try and clarify. It isn't just that there are adaptations. Adaptations have been around since the 1970s at least. Probably since the 1960s. Go Nagai and Osamu Tezuka were mangaka that were getting their stuff adapted way back when. Adaptations aren't the problem. They may not even be a symptom. It's the entire field. It's anime, and manga, and light novels, and video games. They only really draw inspiration from one-another, not from film, not from literature, not from foreign works, not from real life (which is why a lot of so-called "slice of life" is still full of one-note archetypes). It's what Miyazaki meant when he said that the industry was full of otaku and that's why he hated what was going on. The people making anime, manga, light novels, and visual novels only know that otaku field, even though their material now has mainstream appeal. In other words, the overall output isn't heavily influenced by external works, even from within the Japanese milieu. Works like Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju and Sakamichi no Apollon that show influence from outside that continuum are pretty rare and their existence is probably thanks to profits earned from cash-grab adaptations. I know some people hate him, but the YouTuber, Digibro, had a pretty decent video called "Anime is Getting Lazy with its Meta" that touches on this subject a great deal. It's not just individual genres or subgenres that are stagnating but a very, very large portion of the industry as a whole. This is a broad trend I'm seeing. Perhaps a lot of genres and subgenres are synching up in their stagnation periods? I really can't say. At the same time, though, the superhero show is drawing inspiration from outside of that continuum, which is why I think this may be a sign that the stagnation is at an end. Take this all with a grain of salt. This is just what I'm seeing. That's all. I could be totally wrong. |
FvlminatvsJun 24, 2017 5:32 PM
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Johnnyd3rp said: "The industry is dying" meme is killing it. lol But seriously, anime isn't dying, it's just leveling out. It had a boom and now it has to stabilize and find it's rightful place in the visual entertainment market. Just give it some time. |
| It just needs to survive long enough until more hxh source material is available for another season. |
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| Anime industry isn't dying though.It's the opposite. It's growing. http://goboiano.com/anime-industry-report-2016/ http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-09-29/report-anime-industry-up-12-percent-in-2015/.107055 Those who think anime quality is dying are in small minority and not the general consensus. Most of the top rated anime in MAL are modern anime. In addition, in Japan, the top ranked anime are consists of modern anime. https://www.anikore.jp/pop_ranking/ http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/05/04/best-anime-100-results-revealed-for-nhks-nippon-anime-100 |
ZapredonJun 25, 2017 9:46 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
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| As far as I know: -Piracy indeed is one of the main problems, but on the other side, there are the area or region limitations, there is no access to every anime series and some other issues from the legal anime services (i.e. Crunchyroll) -Anime producers are limiting themselves to produce series about same themes and apparently, they doesn't take any risks with other genres or different type of stories. I understand that they produce what is trending and/or on demand among fans, but at this rate, it will generate a rejection over the same stories/genres/tropes. -Lack of original stories/works, abuse of rebooting/remaking/prequels/sequels from previous popular series when it wasn't necessary or doesn't fill any plotholes or doesn't give any answers. -Physical goods (i.e DVDs, figures, books, manga, etc.) are not available or reachable for everyone around the world. Usually their products are only targeted for Japan and they ignore the rest of the countries. I know about some series that doesn't were a hit in Japan but they became popular in some other countries, leaving those fans unattended. The problem the anime industry have is they don't have a well-planned business model that fill the needs of the fans, not only from Japan, but from around the world. Their actual model is not solving (maybe not all) the actual problems. Underpaid employees, low DVD and merchandising sales in a global digital market, and the poor communication with the fans are undermining the industry. Probably anime won't die as the catastrophic way others were predicting, but it will make them stumble over a hole that may force to the anime producers to spend even more time, money and resources to recover from this still, avoidable problem. |
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Fvlminatvs said: Fatigue is already setting in. More and more people are getting sick and tired of "trapped in a MMORPG" storylines. More and more people are tired of "magical school" shows. More and more people are complaining about adaptations. Not a huge number on MAL that I see but in the blogosphere and vlogosphere? Definitely. Even some of my Japanese associates are complaining about it. Mind you, this is all what I am perceiving going on. I'm worried because, unlike with the mecha genres' stagnation, this entire light novel, manga, anime, and video game/visual novel continuum seems caught in some sort of creative feedback loop where everyone is treading over the same thematic and character archetypal ground while trying to throw in a gimmick to keep things fresh. That's not good. This is why, despite having some derivative elements (like your tried-and-true shonen tournament arc), I'm hoping Boku no Hero Academia is a sign of the end of that closed system, since it takes many of its cues from Western superhero fiction and reinterprets them in a Japanese way. Same goes for One Punch Man. Indeed, lack of originality and rehash the same thematic and character archetypal never been seen as a problem for anime community or at least the one in MAL. 81% of MAL said rehash idea does not ruin enjoyment or overall score/praise of anime. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1585072 Originality has never been important criteria to determine quality of anime(at least to the one in MAL). |
ZapredonJun 25, 2017 11:19 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Oh you do, you veritable genius you. As with all things, if anime ever does decline, the reasons would be multi-faceted. Proximal and distal causes do not exist in a vacuum. Beat000 said: Pedophiles watches and loves idol animes and you know what fujoshi loves to watch those disgusting animes they even voted for that disgusting anime in crunchyroll awards really the award was fucked up i felt ashamed to be an anime how i was like i can never tell anyone imma anime fan people will make fun of me because of this. 10/10. Wow... I stayed away from the Yuri on Ice shitstorm as thousands of unloved individuals seeking validation for their tastes and preferences collectively decided to attack a rather solid and even progressive series (a miracle actually, considering that another acclaimed series aired that same season, Fune wo Amu, shat on all that "empowerment bs" by inserting a unnecessary romantic interest just because it sells who then falls in love with the MC in a love story more rushed than the much maligned Kirito x Asuna) because it's not their favorite. I don't throw around the word homophobic at every criticism of progressive representation because frankly it's stupid and discourages further discussion on the matter. But this, this is borderline homophobic. Also huehuehuehuehuehuehue :'D Beat000 said: i felt ashamed to be an anime how i was like i can never tell anyone imma anime fan people will make fun of me because of this.  |
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Beat000 said: People are saying here we go ,ohh look its the same old thread again . i posted this thread because i didn't know somebody already posted it asking this shit.. but i truly knows what's really killing the Industry .. it's the fusjoshi's and pedophiles Pedophiles watches and loves idol animes and you know what fujoshi loves to watch those disgusting animes they even voted for that disgusting anime in crunchyroll awards really the award was fucked up i felt ashamed to be an anime how i was like i can never tell anyone imma anime fan people will make fun of me because of this. Oh, I didn't know I was a pedo. Me watching Rabu Raibu and Idolmaster contributed the death of anime industry. I shall kill myself now. |
Zapredon said: Fvlminatvs said: Fatigue is already setting in. More and more people are getting sick and tired of "trapped in a MMORPG" storylines. More and more people are tired of "magical school" shows. More and more people are complaining about adaptations. Not a huge number on MAL that I see but in the blogosphere and vlogosphere? Definitely. Even some of my Japanese associates are complaining about it. Mind you, this is all what I am perceiving going on. I'm worried because, unlike with the mecha genres' stagnation, this entire light novel, manga, anime, and video game/visual novel continuum seems caught in some sort of creative feedback loop where everyone is treading over the same thematic and character archetypal ground while trying to throw in a gimmick to keep things fresh. That's not good. This is why, despite having some derivative elements (like your tried-and-true shonen tournament arc), I'm hoping Boku no Hero Academia is a sign of the end of that closed system, since it takes many of its cues from Western superhero fiction and reinterprets them in a Japanese way. Same goes for One Punch Man. Indeed, lack of originality and rehash the same thematic and character archetypal never been seen as a problem for anime community or at least the one in MAL. 81% of MAL said rehash idea does not ruin enjoyment or overall score/praise of anime. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1585072 Originality has never been important criteria to determine quality of anime(at least to the one in MAL). Artistic media always lack originality. Originality, by definition, means being part of the few. We shouldn't be surprised that in any given era there's a new collection of archetypes which constantly appear next to each other. |
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le_halfhand_easy said: Oh you do, you veritable genius you. As with all things, if anime ever does decline, the reasons would be multi-faceted. Proximal and distal causes do not exist in a vacuum. Beat000 said: Pedophiles watches and loves idol animes and you know what fujoshi loves to watch those disgusting animes they even voted for that disgusting anime in crunchyroll awards really the award was fucked up i felt ashamed to be an anime how i was like i can never tell anyone imma anime fan people will make fun of me because of this. 10/10. Wow... I stayed away from the Yuri on Ice shitstorm as thousands of unloved individuals seeking validation for their tastes and preferences collectively decided to attack a rather solid and even progressive series (a miracle actually, considering that another acclaimed series aired that same season, Fune wo Amu, shat on all that "empowerment bs" by inserting a unnecessary romantic interest just because it sells who then falls in love with the MC in a love story more rushed than the much maligned Kirito x Asuna) because it's not their favorite. I don't throw around the word homophobic at every criticism of progressive representation because frankly it's stupid and discourages further discussion on the matter. But this, this is borderline homophobic. Also huehuehuehuehuehuehue :'D Beat000 said: i felt ashamed to be an anime how i was like i can never tell anyone imma anime fan people will make fun of me because of this. le_halfhand_easy said: Oh you do, you veritable genius you. As with all things, if anime ever does decline, the reasons would be multi-faceted. Proximal and distal causes do not exist in a vacuum. Beat000 said: Pedophiles watches and loves idol animes and you know what fujoshi loves to watch those disgusting animes they even voted for that disgusting anime in crunchyroll awards really the award was fucked up i felt ashamed to be an anime how i was like i can never tell anyone imma anime fan people will make fun of me because of this. 10/10. Wow... I stayed away from the Yuri on Ice shitstorm as thousands of unloved individuals seeking validation for their tastes and preferences collectively decided to attack a rather solid and even progressive series (a miracle actually, considering that another acclaimed series aired that same season, Fune wo Amu, shat on all that "empowerment bs" by inserting a unnecessary romantic interest just because it sells who then falls in love with the MC in a love story more rushed than the much maligned Kirito x Asuna) because it's not their favorite. I don't throw around the word homophobic at every criticism of progressive representation because frankly it's stupid and discourages further discussion on the matter. But this, this is borderline homophobic. Also huehuehuehuehuehuehue :'D Beat000 said: i felt ashamed to be an anime fan i was like i can never tell anyone imma anime fan people will make fun of me because of this. 😂🤣😊 ............................. ................. |
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| the biggest problems the industry is having are 1. VERY HIGH demand for anime 2. workers treated like shit 3. not enough pay 4. merchandise way too expensive 5. not everyone can watch legally anime is done frame by frame, so one person might draw thousands of images, so frame by frame animation takes FOREVER, it can take a day just to make a character turn around, especially if you want high quality shaft animation... and when you're not even able to live off doing it, ofc people are no longer going to want to work in the field, meaning dwindling numbers of people to produce anime, hence 12 episodes of Titan s2 instead of 25 MortalMelancholy said: Weeeeeeeeeeeelll, I'd say harem and boobs. where is your evidence for this? just because theres whiny faggots who don't stfu doesn't mean thats killing the industry. maybe you should leave your rock and realize how many people watch those kinds of anime, and even get into anime because of fanservice |
EcchiGodMamsterJun 26, 2017 6:25 PM
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EcchiLordMamster said: the biggest problems the industry is having are 1. VERY HIGH demand for anime 2. workers treated like shit 3. not enough pay 4. merchandise way too expensive 5. not everyone can watch legally anime is done frame by frame, so one person might draw thousands of images, so frame by frame animation takes FOREVER, it can take a day just to make a character turn around, especially if you want high quality shaft animation... and when you're not even able to live off doing it, ofc people are no longer going to want to work in the field, meaning dwindling numbers of people to produce anime, hence 12 episodes of Titan s2 instead of 25 MortalMelancholy said: Weeeeeeeeeeeelll, I'd say harem and boobs. where is your evidence for this? just because theres whiny faggots who don't stfu doesn't mean thats killing the industry. maybe you should leave your rock and realize how many people watch those kinds of anime, and even get into anime because of fanservice They're horrible misogynists who objectify women. |
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MortalMelancholy said: EcchiLordMamster said: the biggest problems the industry is having are 1. VERY HIGH demand for anime 2. workers treated like shit 3. not enough pay 4. merchandise way too expensive 5. not everyone can watch legally anime is done frame by frame, so one person might draw thousands of images, so frame by frame animation takes FOREVER, it can take a day just to make a character turn around, especially if you want high quality shaft animation... and when you're not even able to live off doing it, ofc people are no longer going to want to work in the field, meaning dwindling numbers of people to produce anime, hence 12 episodes of Titan s2 instead of 25 where is your evidence for this? just because theres whiny faggots who don't stfu doesn't mean thats killing the industry. maybe you should leave your rock and realize how many people watch those kinds of anime, and even get into anime because of fanservice They're horrible misogynists who objectify women. yea i was right... you really do need the "VIP Shitposter" under your name either that or you can't tell the difference between a cartoon woman and a real one "offensive content" has never killed anything, infact, it just attracts people, cause people want to see what everyone is whining about, then people who like it stick around |
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