[Ending Spoiler] How do you fix Gundam IBO season 2 plot?

RebelPandaSFan said:
Mcguillis turning lelouch would be the best result to happen

UltimateKai said:

I thought this was the route and I was there for it.

RebelPandaSFan said:
same here bruh,
Who would have expected he would became an arrogant clown and go the shounen route and fail miserably. He was such a genius in first season. What a waste

UltimateKai said:

Bruh Mika died to the bitch who literally contributed 0 to the effort. I’m fuming rn man this show was wack.

RebelPandaSFan said:

I literally rage quitted when that bitch was the one to kill mika, the absolute humiliation.
Would have been way better if mika had died off thunder spears rather than what we got

UltimateKai said:

Lol the lesson was, use human debris like Tekkedan and then have long philosophical monologues w some wisecracks and sweep it under the rug.
Every character that survived were on my hit list damn I should’ve just watched Gundam 79 and stuck through the animation for the story.

RebelPandaSFan said:

Is gundam 79 any good?
Every gundam I have watched is mid at best, except thunderbolt maybe which was okayish.

UltimateKai said:

I thought this was the route and I was there for it.

AquaAria said:
Really? Lelouch's route? The most convenient route possible? I don't understand how you can complain about the IBO ending, but you guys like the stupid ending of CG, having the Geass as the greatest weapon to make plot convenience. BRUH ...

UltimateKai said:

I complain because IBO wasted our time. CG however you look at it, WAS a more impactful and raw ending because they used everything that they had established over 2 seasons to drive it home.
GEASS was always an established part of the universe. The characters introduced in s2 were established to be killed off for no purpose.
Literally if you look at what the end of IBO was; the entire crew sold out to a day job because Orga and Mikazuki were dead. What was the objective of the fight w Tekkedan?? They didn’t even kill all of them and allowed them to work in public right after the ‘terrorist’ label was put on them.
So many inconsistencies lead to a trash ending. Say what you will but CG stayed consistent and didn’t add a slew of characters to be used as cannon fodder and no progress to the story.
Mika and Orga were killed for no reason and the whole agreement at the end makes no sense because they labeled the kids as terrorists and killing machines, proceeded to instigate large scale warfare and then back off when like 3 people are confirmed dead even though they weren’t the ones who started it.
If you think flipping main characters in the last 3 episodes is a good plot development then idk what yo tell you but that ‘Oh the bad guy had noble ideals so let’s let him kill all the characters we loved and live w it’ bs only works if we CARE about the bad guys AT ALL. They were all the most cliche and unworthy to live characters the whole show and the development for our MC’s were robbed by this backwood cast of anime villain rejects who couldn’t be less original if they tried.
Tldr: This was not a smart show. Don’t fool yourself, and look at the series of events objectively.

AquaAria said:
Ok I am not saying that IBO is perfect, but you say that "it is not a smart program", and CG if it is? LOL Plus you have the nerve to say look at things "objectively" when you think CG is good.
At least IBO does not start in a school with characters that act childish, and on top of that CG tries to take himself seriously, in addition to putting weeb shit, misunderstandings, stereotypical love, ah and a "smart" character (Or when he accidentally orders to kill all the Japanese to Euphemia, and on top of that he can't stop her? WOW SUUUUPER SMART, and predicts what people are going to say XD, can you really take this seriously?)
And not to mention the geass, which is the most convenient shit of all anime.

UltimateKai said:

Ok ok you got me there for sure Objectively is a dangerous word to use w anime Lmaoo.
I didn’t really mean to say CG was a smarter show by any means, just that it committed more to its narrative? It stuck w the fantastical nature of the world and focused on and developed Geass and its lore more than the robots who were ‘fodder’. I can agree that it came off pretentious and too serious at times since they were kids as well and Lelouch could also be perceived as a MEGA chunni xD. However I personally believe that it was a more CONSISTENT show where they clearly established goals and strategies and the fact that yes: there are Geass’ that can change the world, here’s how they got here and here’s what they can do. Compared to ‘Holy shit bro I’m a cyborg.’ Also it was used pretty strategically he wasn’t going around Geassing the whole world and we even see the consequences of his actions.

IBO wasn’t a bad show per se, it was just a whole lot of buildup to nothing imo. The inconsistencies and hypocrisy piled up:
I mean, if Rustal’s attack ended after killing Orga and Mika to wreck Tekkadan’s fighting spirit (which is what happened, they too out the cap and the ‘non human’ with the space canon and then dipped) then why NOT take Orga’s pleas for a public execution? Or Mika? Or hell testimony against McGillis as a prime snitch?? There were so many possibilités. If he’s really the ‘mastermind’ he claims; he could even absorb Tekkedan as a Gjhallarhorn unit under a different name and just bomb the campsite for the views! No one really knows their faces and they are loyal and tough soldiers!
Not to mention the metric tons of plot armour the villains had the whole time, I mean seriously? Bodouin and Ein combined in the mécha and now have the true alaya venyana ? The most annoying lady (you know who I’m talking about) gets to stand over MIKAZUKI’s body after doing NOTHKNG to kill him? The villains saying ‘Oh no they used an illegal weapon!!’ ‘And then proceeding to bring out a fleet of prepared group of fighters who just so happen to be stocked with the EXACT SAME WEAPON??? Why even mention the weapon?? Do you think people know the models or something??

I guess in the end, those who died were those who fought and committed murder so I can step back and connect the dots. Still think Rustal’s girl attendant surviving was bs because she barely did anything and wasn’t a match for Mika at any point, as with Bodouin, he alive because they couldn’t leave the sister but we didn’t get a reunion scene nor a dope Mexican Standoff with McGillis. The message was basically ‘Settle sooner than later or the army will notice your growth and gun you down’ that message was the opposite of the ‘let’s move forward to our goal’ attitude. When was the goal to create an act against Space Debris??? Makes absolutely no sense in this show because murder is justified by the world as a way of survival and the main players are all still alive. Also way they sent off the 2 main characters (orga and Mika) wasnt sad it was infuriating, cmon, if we’re comparing; Lelouch’s end in CG was wayyyy more cathartic than this end hands down.
If Akihiro hadn’t killed Io I would’ve given this a 1 lol.

Side note, gotta give props tho because I actually really cared ?! about the characters and direction they were going which is why I was disappointed in the somewhat lazy, ‘oh well some of them are happy’ ending that we did get. Naze should’ve told the writer the phrase about ‘You look like someone who doesn’t know where he’s going’ loool. Pick a lane!
Lotta stuff there but this been driving me crazy lol. ‘Look what they did to my boyyy :(‘

AquaAria said:
Regarding CG, more consistent? Really? Literally they used magic shit to make conveniences, the beginning will be good but with those characters with stupid ideologies, and with the "intelligent" Lelouch everything goes to shit, besides that if the end is more cathartic or not it is totally subjective, obviously more people are going to say it was CG because more people have seen it.
He did not make a mada to kill him, obviously because he was already destroyed (as if in reality it did not happen) Mika sacrificed everything because he had no other way out. Besides that Rustal in the end was consecrated as a hero, so that more, nor that he was like ALL one-dimensional adults of CG.
While the IBO plot is simpler, at least it doesn't bite off more than it can swallow as CG.
Another issue of weapons that if I don't remember correctly were prohibited, take it as atomic bombs, today they are prohibited but all powers have them and if they feel like they could use them. In addition, Tekkadan according to the simple perspective were rebels, and they should eliminate that threat however, some deaths will seem hasty and in excess of drama like Orga's death, but they are necessary for Tekkadan to continue, although they already know that their end is near, because that's the IBO message.
Lazy ending? It has some bumps along the way, there is no doubt (that's why I don't give it 10/10) but it was a good ending, crude, unfair, as is life itself. Not like the CG that ALL THE ENDING PART went to the convenient extreme (Lelouch again using his mind-reading "ability" xd), even the series could have ended faster if he had used the geass in the right way, like If he used the geass on all the police just to stop Maoh, he could literally keep all the police as a personal army but nope.
If so much mental masturbation you make with the supposed IBO mistakes, try to find CG too, there are TOO MANY, so many to consider it as an overrated anime (3 years ago I considered it 10/10 XD but I gave it rewatch and the rest is history, series like LoGH or Gundam the Origin have a similar plot, similar MC and handle the story MUCH better)

GangsterCat said:
regardless the final outcome of the series , it seems a lot of people, including me are disappointed with the direction that the writer took for this anime.

I feel like after Lafter died, the plot become real MESS. basically everyone is killed for the sake of shock factor with no real purpose. everything is meaningless and every protagonist character went full retard, especially mcgills and orga.

I think they should've get rid of julietta shitty plot armor and let mikazuki killed her before she messed up Shino's aim to kill Rustal. after that McGills can do whatever he wants with Bael and went full action with whatever plot excuse. they can even end it with the same gjallanhorn reformation ending, with less asspull (rustal become good for no reason)