TheBrainintheJar said: Now it's one shower or two huh? Nah fuck you man. You're basically saying to be conditioned to be desensitized for that.Soriki said: Well, I'll leave you with your modified conditioned view of seeings other people's dicks around you and not get grossed out, while everyone else stays away from that shit. No surprise that in prison and the Army/Navy/Etc people go gay.. If you're forced to have that sight for 3 years, no wonder you've become numb to it, lmao. It doesn't take 3 years. It only takes one shower or two. Huh, it's just a dick. |
Soriki said: TheBrainintheJar said: Now it's one shower or two huh? Nah fuck you man. You're basically saying to be conditioned to be desensitized for that.It doesn't take 3 years. It only takes one shower or two. Huh, it's just a dick. Desensitized, sure, but what's wrong with that? I get used to seeing dicks. So what? |
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Darek said: That is not what open/close-minded means, this thread is retarded. shotz said: You both understood the point of the thread, so rather contribute for a discussion.I WOULD SAY MEN ARE NO MORE OR LESS CLOSE-MINDED THAN WOMEN IN GENERAL, THERE ARE JUST CERTAIN THINGS WHERE ONE SEX IS MORE OPEN TOO. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MORE ABOUT INSECURITY. Soriki said: I don't think I'm included as "we" in there lolFrag- said: [s] For example; Some men mind so much being naked in front of each other, some of them find it really disgusting. Yeah, regardless of anything else you said, I think most of us can agree that we don't wanna see some random dude's dick. Being overprotective of our masculinity or not, like df m8?. "Some"? Lmao, you mean MOST. Yeah, more likely most of them, yeah. |
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| Closed-minded eh? Well giving you the benefit of the doubt that all hetero "cis" males (aww hell, why don't we throw white in there for good measure too?) are "close-minded", we could theorize that men are biologically predisposed to "get something done" and not "ponder" on it for hours on end. So consider it's the year 4,000 BCE, you are walking around the wilderness with spear in hand looking for food so your family doesn't starve. You see a doe and some fawn with her, do you stop and wonder how the doe will feel being stabbed to death? How about the fawn that have to watch this and how it will affect them the rest of their life? No, you impale that thing and think "Sweet! I can eat tonight!" for a split second before carrying the carcass around. On your way through the forest you encounter a bear. The bear is growling and coming towards you, so do you stop and recant your impolite trekking through its territory? No, you stab the crap outta that beast and think to yourself "Awesome! I have food AND new clothes!" as you skin the dead beast and wonder if you'll use the claws or teeth for a necklace. After slaughtering a deer AND a bear trying to kill you, two idiot bandits approach you armed with two short clubs. Do you pause to empathize with their plight of destitution, assuming they just had a poor upbringing and are starved for food? No, you think "If these two morons can't find food or reason that a guy carrying two dead carcasses isn't someone to be trifled with, maybe they NEED their a@#es kicked." So you flip to the blunt end of your spear to make it more challenging and rearrange their faces. You laugh and tell them to learn to hunt or learn to farm because they are now too ugly to be someone's harlot. You go home to feed your children, skin your new coat, and make love to your wife for 4 hours straight. |
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| Check out the first chapter of Sexual Personae, bro. Camille feels ya. |
| From my experience men are "more fine" with minding their own business and not sticking their noses where they don't belong. Stereotypical gay men are more "in touch" with their feelings and are driven by them. And something the LGBT community and the non-lgbt supporters need to understand is that close-mindedness applies to both sides. "Ohhhh but the evil bigoted cis men don't wanna support us because they hate us for being different~" Meanwhile in the real world us normal men are like "Dude whatever, who you fuck or not is your business. Just don't expect me to bake you cookies, change the way I speak or give you an award for it." |
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Takuan_Soho said: I would say your initial premise is wrong in all by a very specific sense (most of the great ideas in human history have come from men, so they are certainly not "closed-minded"). But I would say that on tolerance of things considered "abnormal", I would agree that woman are a bit more flexible then men, and the reason for this would be biological - men, being hunters, were more exposed to immediate death, so things that stand out as different are immediately thought of as threatening. Women, left in a group, are not so hardwired to notice and fear such things. We like to say that we have "evolved" past all this, but we really haven't. We use society to SUPPRESS these emotions and reactions, that isn't the same as saying we no longer have them. I actually think women are more close-minded towards abnormality, at least when it comes to men. They want a man they can depend on, who is successful. A weird man is dangerous, since he has a low position in society and is most likely isn't successful by society's standards Hypergamy and all. |
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Takuan_Soho said: TheBrainintheJar said: I actually think women are more close-minded towards abnormality, at least when it comes to men. They want a man they can depend on, who is successful. A weird man is dangerous, since he has a low position in society and is most likely isn't successful by society's standards Hypergamy and all. I don't disagree with your point, I just don't think that it is a sign of being "closed minded". It falls into the same category I mentioned for men - historically a woman's chance at happiness, no even survival, was almost entirely based on picking the right man. And "right" back then was someone who could fit into the society - by either being a good provider, or not upsetting the balance of the community. Think Jane Austin. She understood such things, though fortunately for us, a good family (and unfortunately an early death) meant she didn't have to conform to that model So much of the past, so much that people condemn as stupid, irrational, religious, traditional, whatever, is in fact well refined common sense for an age where starvation was always a constant threat. We think we are better, smarter, more enlightened today, but we really aren't, we are just more secure in our faith that we will be fed tomorrow. Take that away, and wow how wonderful those past thoughts become.... I say this as one of those "weird men" who was lucky to have found a woman who understands all of this. I will also point out an interesting observation. I don't wear a wedding ring, because I know that women will not hit on me if I don't have one. At my age that should seem a contradiction - but really it isn't. The biological imperative for most women is towards stability, a wedding ring is a sign that the man has already been vetted by a woman, hence it becomes an attraction. But in not wearing a ring, this signals that there is something "off" about me. And because of this I am not approached by women. They automatically assume that there is something "wrong" about me. Ask any man, and if they are honest (or better observant), they will admit that they get hit on more when wearing a ring. Humans are funny that way. I should add that this protection expires at a certain age. Probably where through life expectancy, women really begin to outnumber men. I will be curious to observed the behavior I experience when I reach that age. The point in all this? Humans are rational animals, yes rationality is great and all, but to be honestly rational we can never forget the animal side. It is close-minded, but it doesn't make it bad. We're also close-minded when choosing our medicine, because there are a few specific medicine that work. I'm not sure if stability is what is attractive. In my experience, a lot of stable men aren't attractive, but dull. Sexiness is defined partly by pumping a lot of adrenaline. |
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Darek said: I too more 5 days, okay? Kinda lazy with replies now :/@Frag- took you 5 days to reply................ Well, I don't know, it is hard to say that it is true that more men are like that, I mean i think they are and all the yaoi threads prove that but from my own experience it does not really seem to be the case for exanple in my last class all the guys acted like the opposite of insecure, I would say they were a little bit to secure with their sexuality lmao. I didn't get this "opposite of insecure" things doe. LoneWolf said: I ain't generalizing nothing.[Insert empty platitudes about how you can't generalize groups, because we're all special snowflakes] TheBrainintheJar said: C'mon that was my point as well ;/it's just a dick. Agreed with what you said earlier. |
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| This may be of interest to you - recent studies suggest that most women are bisexual or gay. Anyway, in my experience in locker rooms/group showers, it's not really a big deal to see another man naked in front of you. Besides, don't you find it a little hypocritical to talk about open-mindedness and then proceed to make a sweeping generalization like that? Then there's the irony in preaching open-mindedness while touting a signature representing an ideology responsible for the most costly genocides in human history. |
| At the risk of sounding like a Derp...It's simply evolution, and survival of the fittest! Guys are OK and are into Lesbians, because thousands of years ago men had multiple wives at the same time. And just like survival of the fittest the strongest man had the most partners, so he could pass on his genes. This made Humanity stronger as a whole. That's why some pervy guy will think Lesbians are hot, without even considering for a second that it means they are not into him because he's a guy. But and lets face it... Being gay means there's a pretty good chance you're not going to have children, and pass on your genetics. So somewhere deep inside a man the evolution programing alarm bells are going off like crazy. It's a subconscious algorithm from thousands of years ago. |
| I don't get that example. If you mean in changing rooms where guys are naked I never really notice this problem because this basically never happens. If you mean taking your cock out and slapping it on the dinner table, well that's just plain rude. Can't think of any other scenario where men being naked around each other would occur really. |
Hatred said: i have straight guy friends and all of them are open-minded,in fact some of them are more open-minded than me Same ^^ I don't think open or close minded is based solely on your gender |
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| [quote=Takuan_Soho message=49848879] TheBrainintheJar said: It is close-minded, but it doesn't make it bad. We're also close-minded when choosing our medicine, because there are a few specific medicine that work.[close] Being practical is not being "closed minded". "Closed Minded" would suggest that one refuses to consider alternatives. Allegory Tom says: "Hey take this". Sue replies: "What is it?" Tom: "Don't know, its supposed to cure headaches" Sue: "I have aspirin, so why should I take it? Tom: "No reason, I just heard it works." Sue: "No thank you, I'll take the aspirin. Now in this situation Sue is not "closed minded" because she hasn't been given a reason to take it. For all she knows it could be poison or have some other negative effect. Or to stress: Absent of any information, trying new things is not a sign of being open minded, and not trying it is not a sign of being closed minded. It is a matter of risk aversion. Some people like taking risks others do not. In the situation you stated about why girls don't like weird guys. Why should they? On the "off" chance that the guy may not be a true lunatic? TheBrainintheJar said: I'm not sure if stability is what is attractive. In my experience, a lot of stable men aren't attractive, but dull. Sexiness is defined partly by pumping a lot of adrenaline. There are a certain number of women that are attracted to "dangerous men", but this is a relatively new phenomena - one that is growing because the consequences of choosing a poor mate has decreased over time. In this it is similar to the obsession with sex, that also happens in times of prosperity. But prosperity is likewise mostly a modern invention. I don't think 'pumping adrenaline' necessarily means a 'dangerous man'. That one has the connotation of a man who comes off like he can rape you/kill you any second. We call these people 'creeps'. What I mean is, 'pumping adrenaline' is a person who's not afraid, who can go off to the wilderness and handle it easily. Such a man is stable, only he shows his stability in unstable situations. |
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