Rem or Emilia

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Sep 21, 2020 11:20 AM

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Yea Emilia is a better dynamic with Subaru because she treats him like a little brother and dotes on him meanwhile Rem treats him very affectionately because she sees him as a hero.

Emilia sees him that way as well but in spite of her low self esteem of herself she doesn't look for other people like Subaru to save her because she wants to be strong too, which is ironic because she chastises Subaru for not showing his weak side enough. Meaning that they are alike and she might see a bit of herself in him.

Rem has low self-esteem and she seems to be codependent. First she latched on to Ram and lived only for her, and then she latched onto Subaru. Anyone who supports her just wants someone to love them irrationally in spite of their flaws, even though Rem is very aware of Subaru's flaws he did save her life in spite of them.

That's a quality that both Emilia and Rem respect about Subaru - he's extremely weak compared to them but brave and resourceful regardless and he's capable of saving them all the same. That's not something you see in their world often, if not at all.

How many people as weak as Subaru are walking around saving people that are infinitely more powerful than them? Literally none.

In regards to that Emilia doesn't want Subaru to push himself too hard because she knows deep down he's weak and he could die. Rem doesn't see it that way because she thinks he's capable of doing anything he puts his mind to as long as he's not being reckless.

Again their parallels are interesting, even in regards to how they mirror Subaru, but I think in the end he won't settle down with either of them anyways so there's no real point in debating this aside from harmless fun.

Sep 21, 2020 11:34 PM

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Rem or Emilia huh? At first i am on the neutral side, because i'm tired of all these never-ending waifu wars, but when i think about it, i don't like maids irl, because most of the maids disturbes my character and diligency development in my real life.

If i view from my seemingly-called "my own real life logic system" and from character wise, i vote for Emillia, but if i view from Subaru's point of view, i'd rather admitt that both Rem and Emillia are the best girl for our MC, Subaru.

Sep 22, 2020 3:13 AM

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I'd take Ram anyday over these two.

Sep 22, 2020 10:47 AM

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Beatrice for me, without a doubt!

Even way back in season 1, I was just pretty neutral towards Emilia or Rem.

Emilia to me at first seemed like a typical goody two shoes princess archetype. To me, it feels like she doesn't really love or even just "like" Subaru, even though she's always kind to him, she was just "kind" to everybody so she doesn't show kindness to him out of love or affection, she just does it either because she's actually good natured at her core or she's doing kindness to offset something dark she's trying to hide, get rid off or trying to make amends to, I don't know what but it's definitely not because she loves him, at least at this point in time.

As for Rem, Rem completely distrusted Subaru initially, she hated his guts, even though Rem acted nice during Subaru's butler training period and Ram acted harshly towards her, she was just faking it and it turns out the Ram was actually that one that somewhat cared for him. Rem killed him multiple times and even tortured him, it was even Ram that stopped Rem from torturing him by just giving him a quick death in the forest. Rem just turned 180 on him since he was so "heroic" or so she says during the Monster Dog scenes. If anything, Ram is nicer than Rem at their core while Rem was just later infatuated with Subaru so we see her being so nice to him, being a "Perfect Waifu" some might say.

For me, while Beatrice never showed much care for Subaru at face value, she was really tsun tsun most of the time, but it turns out that she really does care for him. She even expressed that if Subaru was going to die no matter what then at least he does it where she can't see it because she can't bear seeing him die. BUT I think my primary reason for warming up to her character was because I was so immersed in watching Re:Zero that I really felt the pressure that Subaru feeling during season 1 and whenever Subaru was in the Forbidden Library, Subaru felt relieved there, so I felt it too, whenever Subaru was really getting crushed under pressure, her Library was always there to give him a peaceful place to gather his thoughts, Beatrice was always there to help him out, give him important hints and even remove a curse from him, Beatrice really helped out Subaru a lot even though she makes it appear that she doesn't want to. I was so immersed in the show that whenever Subaru felt the pressure I felt it too and when he gets time to breath and think with Beatrice side at her Library I felt relieved too, which is probably why I become fond of her character and with the events of Season 2, I just loved her character even more. Even during season 1, it felt like Beatrice knew more about Subaru than she lets on and this season just confirmed it. It's like having a burden you can't share with anyone else, that stuff can take it's toll on you and when you get a chance to share your problem to someone, it can lift a great weight off your shoulders even if that person can't do anything about it, just being able to share your problems can make you feel better. For me knowing Beatrice at least had a vague understanding of what Subaru is going through is similar to that feeling, at least there's someone else who knows that isn't an "evil" witch. Which is also why I really loved the scene where Subaru realized that Echidna knows of all his sufferings, he was finally able to vent it with someone else so for Subaru, Echidna's garden became like Beatrice's library for season 2.

As for Echidna, in the few episodes that we've been shown so far, she's shaping up to be a very interesting character for me in such a short time, I especially like non-violent tsunderes like her.

Also, i'd like to talk about Felix for a bit, at first his character seems interesting but during Season 2 I liked him a little less, the words he said after Crusch's lost memories made me realize that he doesn't have such great core principles, sure he just wants to keep Crusch safe but it also showed that he will disregard any oaths, vows and deals he makes as soon as it no longer favors his side and for me, braking a promise isn't something i'm fond of.

But Beatrice is my personal pick, but if the question is who's more suited for Subaru? then it's Emilia in my opinion, even though I don't think they'll end up together. During Season 1, I had this crazy idea that in the end of Re Zero, Emilia will be fully taken over by Satella and the only one who can stop her is Subaru but stopping Satella will mean killing Emilia and once Satella/Emilia is killed then Subaru will lose his Respawn power meaning he will lose Emilia forever, at the time I felt like that would be the show's end, something tragic where Subaru gets to save the World but at the cost of the most precious person to him and this time he can never take it back. But during Season 2 episode 4, another ending popped up in my mind, S2E4 showed a really important message there that extends even to real life people. Even during Season 1 I guessed that Subaru was a shut-in who wasted most his life and that being sent to a new World was his chance to make things right this time, that's how I rationalized his immense determination in this fantasy World to save people and make things right, I assumed that in his head, he was given this second chance and he was not going to waste it again, Season 2 confirmed I was right, which I guess it was pretty obvious to most people that he was a shut-in during Season 1, but in S2E4 (which btw is my favorite episode in the whole show so far) we learned that he has a reason to go back to Earth, he still has unfinished business that he needs to take care of in the REAL World, I think this show is trying to tell a message to people who use anime or any other thing as extreme escapism, to hikkikomoris who withdraw themselves away from the real world and their problems, if this is the message that the author is trying to convey then he will really have to make an ending where Subaru will return to his World to face his problems and fix his life there. IF that's the case then in my perspective there'd only be two endings where either Subaru loses Emilia with a tragic ending or he leaves Emilia to face his problems in his old World.

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Sep 22, 2020 2:15 PM

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After watching most of season 2 part 1, I will say that Emilia has become a slightly better fit for Subaru romantically based on the portrayal of their relationship.

Rem is still the better character however simply for her amazing performance in season 1. Emilia will actually need to do something big to even scrape at Rem's level character wise. I still like Emilia though.

But hey, just my thoughts :)

Sep 22, 2020 2:38 PM

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1. She killed him several times and tortured him. Healing his legs just to crush them again? What kind of a psychopath would do that? If Ram weren't there to swiftly kill Subaru, Rem would have traumatized him beyond repair
2. Now she is just infatuated with Subaru. She just wants to obtain him like a selfish bitch she is.
3. Emilia never hurt Subaru once. Never! Even when Subaru went batshit crazy and tried to drag Emilia out of her own freakin' house while insulting her. In fact, all she wanted to do was understand him. Furthermore, she never abandoned him. Even after they fought, she still asked Crusch, Felix and Rem to take care of him. Emilia cared for Subaru far more than Rem.

THIS.
Finally some of the few human with a working common sense.
Thank you for spittin fax, my fellow Emilia’s self-proclaimed knights.
And also to Ram-with-blue-hair fans that said Emilia is useless, did you guys forget Emilia save our MC, from 3 bandits, even though she didn’t know him yet?

Sep 23, 2020 8:53 AM

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Oh boy waifu war time

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Sep 23, 2020 9:24 AM

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None cause my boy Subaru deserves someone better though good for him for having Emilia as motivation.

Seriously though, I don't see the appeal of Rem. What did she do for y'all to like her so much? She killed him multiple times, not even giving him a chance to talk, she tortured him till death. After all that shit was over she became nice to him and gave a heartfelt confession. Was it her attitude? Was it her moving confession? If so, then is that it?

To be honest, Emilia did so much more to Subaru than Rem. She gave him food, shelter and other nice things. She fought with him, supporting him. She never once badmouthed or be irritated by him. She's always there for him. Even if she can't do anything, her smile is enough for Subaru to keep moving forward.

And it looks like the same case with Echidna. Don't quote me on this but just because she acted cute and provided Subaru help, doesn't mean she's a good person. She's the Witch of Greed for a reason. It would make more sense if she was praised for being a good villain rather than being moe and shit. For those who did like her for that, that's being shallow.

Just give Subaru some normal girl that will make him happy. You know, like a normal relationship? Petra would be the best candidate if she weren't a kid. Heck, even Ram is good for some lovers' quarrel. Right now, Emilia is to nice and innocent to be in a relationship.

Sep 23, 2020 9:48 AM

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more like, Original choice or Emilia

Sep 23, 2020 11:13 AM

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I choose echidona

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Sep 23, 2020 2:44 PM

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Both are great characters, though I think I like Rem Slightly more. If were talking about best girl it's hands down Rem. Rem never wanted to kill Subaru. As we see in the most recent episode, the one time she does kill him is to put him out of his suffering. The other time she attacked him, she only ever was trying to get an answer out of him. He had just hid on the cliffside with a knife in his hand and had just flashed the camera in her face in an effort to get away,further cementing that he probably is a witch cultist. In the end, Ram was to one who killed him in that loop. What has Emilia done? Ran for royal selection simply so people would stop treating her so poorly even though she knew that she could never run a country. Then she refused to let Subaru take the trial because she thought it would make her unfit to be a ruler. The villager are being held in Sanctuary, waiting to see their families again. The half bloods of Sanctuary have been trapped there their whole life, and most want to leave. The tension and anger between the villagers and half bloods is growing every day. Emilia is selfish, and naive. There is absolutely no way she could compete with Rem. At least, not from what we've seen in the anime.

Sep 23, 2020 3:06 PM

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Emilia. Easily. She is also author favorite character (no surprise there).
On the other hand Rem is extremely annoying. From one extreme to another. Glad she was removed from the story.

Oct 18, 2020 5:09 AM

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After being asleep for 3 seasons and not doing anything , it will be pretty clear who is the most useless character ever.... Also Emilia haters/Rem fans, get ready to burn to ash as Emilia is gonna get a lot of screen time and development in cour-2 and beyond 😁😁

Oct 18, 2020 6:11 AM

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Emilia is way better than Rem. Rem is overrated in my opinion.

Wanna play 8-ball?

Oct 18, 2020 8:33 AM

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Emilia is way better than Rem. Rem is overrated in my opinion.

True, she is overrated more than hell itself. Also, the characters which are developed early play no part later in the story.. 😂😂😂

Nov 9, 2020 3:21 AM

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emilia said : subaru is not my knight
even she know well who subaru is .....
oh.....
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......fck you bad girls

sony_censyoNov 12, 2020 9:55 AM

Community opinion does'nt affected to me ,,,i just believe what i see with my own eyes!

Nov 9, 2020 3:22 AM

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full of elites but with no brain

Community opinion does'nt affected to me ,,,i just believe what i see with my own eyes!

Nov 9, 2020 3:34 AM

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sony_censyo said:
emilia said : subaru is not my knight
even he know well who subaru is .....
oh.....
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......fck you bad girls

LMAO, what are you talking about? Just wait for the end of arc-4, you will totally regret saying this.🤣🤣🤣

Nov 9, 2020 4:36 AM

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Deadly_Stan said:

sony_censyo said:
emilia said : subaru is not my knight
even he know well who subaru is .....
oh.....
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......fck you bad girls

LMAO, what are you talking about? Just wait for the end of arc-4, you will totally regret saying this.🤣🤣🤣

no nothing will change my mind......emilia has a disapointing behavior

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Nov 9, 2020 4:41 AM

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she just crazy about politic.....not thinking subaru has done a lot job for saving her in front her eyes......
rem still better even she ever kill subaru
that not unreasonable because subaru was stranger at the first and have smell of witch.....
what will you done if in your home have stranger with bloody smell? think again

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Nov 9, 2020 4:47 AM

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sony_censyo said:
she just crazy about politic.....not thinking subaru has done a lot job for saving her in front her eyes......
rem still better even she ever kill subaru
that not unreasonable because subaru was stranger at the first and have smell of witch.....
what will you done if in your home have stranger with bloody smell? think again

You will really regret saying this after cour-2 starts airing. The reason why she participates in the royal selection will be shown in the 2nd part as well and believe me she isn't participating for any selfish reason. Also, in the later arcs of the WN/LN she deeply cares for Subaru.

Nov 9, 2020 6:38 AM

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Deadly_Stan said:

dont think i will forgive what she done before :)

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Nov 9, 2020 6:40 AM

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sony_censyo said:

Deadly_Stan said:

dont think i will forgive what she done before :)

No one cares if you don't. I am just telling the facts there. Also, these two are gonna have a lot of moments together starting part-2, so yeah better be prepared for it.

Nov 9, 2020 6:49 AM

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also this topic is belong to the anime not LN/Manga
i dont care what happend on ln or manga
i just care what i look with my eyes
even
felt just a thieves have better moral to her closest
"Rom uncle is my family"

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Nov 9, 2020 10:55 AM

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I vote "Rem"

In this 2nd season Emilia proved how useless she is. That trial in the ruins, come on get over it already.

Rem got so little screen time, it makes her look useless as well. Thank goodness that her words, FROM SEASON 1, still keep Subaru from giving up.

Nov 9, 2020 6:01 PM

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zieek said:
I vote "Rem"

In this 2nd season Emilia proved how useless she is. That trial in the ruins, come on get over it already.

Rem got so little screen time, it makes her look useless as well. Thank goodness that her words, FROM SEASON 1, still keep Subaru from giving up.

There's a reason why she is not able to get over her trails and none of it is her fault. Also, you will know how "useful" she is from this point onwards in the story as she will be taking part in most of the major events that are going to happen.

Nov 9, 2020 8:48 PM

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Not even a compilation emilia is infinity better than rem and always will be.

Nov 9, 2020 11:16 PM

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Rem will always be the best girl Re:zero and first choice for Subaru to me. If not Rem, then Emilia would be my second option and Felix for third .

Nov 9, 2020 11:23 PM

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[quote=Deadly_Stan message=61109534]

zieek said:
I Also, you will know how "useful" she is from this point onwards in the story as she will be taking part in most of the major events that are going to happen.

That's all well and good, but in the 1st season Rem left a better impression on the viewers and I dare say on the protagonist as well. In the 2nd season Emilia had only one thing going for her and that was

. What I'm trying to say is that, if a character is going to become useful after two seasons and even then might not necessarily appeal to me, than what's the point of keeping hope alive, for that character namely Emilia.

Nov 10, 2020 12:25 AM

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Is this a joke? Of course Rem is better

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Nov 10, 2020 4:39 AM

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Who cares, Patrasche is objectively better than both of them. Patrasche would never kill you even after thinking you are a bit suspicious and would still support you even if you are a complete dumbass

Nov 10, 2020 4:59 AM

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[quote=zieek message=61110832]

Deadly_Stan said:

zieek said:
I Also, you will know how "useful" she is from this point onwards in the story as she will be taking part in most of the major events that are going to happen.

Did you not see how Echidna gained fame from just one episode? Rem did it just due to one episode as well and remember a character that doesn't play a major role in one season doesn't mean it will be absent for the entirety of the story unlike the character which was present in the first season that is nowhere to be seen now and will not be for two seasons. LMAO.

Also, if Emilia doesn't give a good impression on you doesn't mean everyone has the same psychology as yours and everyone thinks the same way you think. Anyways the point is she has a major role to play in the bigger scheme of things(much more than rem). Also, as I said everyone has a different mentality and you never know which moment will give fame to the character at what particular time.

The actual reason she went insane was not properly portrayed in the anime.
She had gone insane due to repeatedly attempting the trial for 2 days straight and in that scenario no one was there to help her or support her(As Subaru had gone to the mansion and the villagers with the people of the sanctuary accused her of causing the snowfall which of course was the action of roswall). So in this dreadful scenario not being able to get through her past because she has

The real reason why she lost her

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Nov 10, 2020 5:04 AM

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Fatephile said:
Is this a joke? Of course Rem is better

thegooseman said:
Rem will always be the best girl Re:zero and first choice for Subaru to me. If not Rem, then Emilia would be my second option and Felix for third .

Actually Subaru's first choice is Emilia. Don't know which idiot gave you the wrong information.

Nov 10, 2020 5:20 AM

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Deadly_Stan said:

Fatephile said:
Is this a joke? Of course Rem is better

thegooseman said:
Rem will always be the best girl Re:zero and first choice for Subaru to me. If not Rem, then Emilia would be my second option and Felix for third .

Actually Subaru's first choice is Emilia. Don't know which idiot gave you the wrong information.

I thought this was some waifu war thread.tch

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Nov 10, 2020 5:21 AM

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Fatephile said:

Deadly_Stan said:

Actually Subaru's first choice is Emilia. Don't know which idiot gave you the wrong information.

I thought this was some waifu war thread.tch

Can you rewrite this statement. I didn't quite get you there.

Oct 3, 2021 11:27 AM

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Ok, Rem is good... But Emilia is Better than Rem

Jul 30, 2022 2:13 AM

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MAL says Rem is a supporting, not a main character.
Let's not forget that Rem murdered Subaru in season 1 for no reason. Emilia, in the meantime without even knowing who Subaru is has only shown him love and concern like as if it's the normal thing to do. That's the best girl right then and there.

For no reason,really? The witch cult killed her family and took her sisters horn. She thought Subaru was in the cult since she can smell their scent.

Aug 1, 2022 2:26 PM

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AshPhoenix said:
Do you think the writers will follow the manga or do you think they have spun on a different course for this season.

I'm sure you might already know by now, but the source material is actually the LN.

Apr 26, 2023 7:37 AM

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Is this a joke? of course Rem better than Emilia! I don't really understand Subaru. He chooses Emilia when there's someone like Rem.

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