Shinichi-Kun said: Kit said: that doesn't make any sense, instinctively people would rather hide anti town roles. It's counter intuitive to claim Miller even if it is optimal. I can't criticize ruu cause I might have done the same, and two others (Penta and Jack,) said they would not claim either They can do them if u claim anwywhere outside of the first day phae ur are 99% scum end of story, only reason i havent pursued you is cause i think u might be tpr. I doubt they is another 3rd based off wincon having 2 anti scum 3rd is unbalanced if they were what are they |
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Shinichi-Kun said: DenjaX said: it is the other way around. He thought he was hider but he corrected himself which I find the most townie thing to do. And he admitted his mistake. What I am most concerned is those people capitalizing his mistake. So people like jack and logic? Blame me if you want I don't care tbh if he makes up a role and them refused to give me info when I ask or even vote for that matter. I can't save them I need people to work with me he messed up and could of fixed it but gave up. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: U 2 can throw salt all over me it wont change much @logic340 what are your throughs on the fact that jack and penta are both ok throwing away another town role without claiming their own role. I find that super odd @denjax @kit same question for you 2 Dude your role at this point is suppose to be used to save a power role and bite the kill you will have to use it at some point. It does not have to be tonight but some point you will. |
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Coelestin said: ... Is it wrong to start believing in a Jack/Penta/Grape/Logic power wolf scum team? :| @Shinichi-kun Let me confirm again. You are a Lightning Rod? Your role says you're "self-sacrificing" but there's no guarantee that you'll die, right? I doubt it is a 4 man team based off size of game and 3RD party also suppose tge 3rd would swing it a bit though since anti scum. I could see logic and Grape been scum less sp Penta |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Use your ability and have the doc protect anyone. Doesnt matter because as lightning rod, even protect goes to you.PentaFlare said: To be blunt, I want to remove you from my PoE pool. You have not been acting in a townlike way, so the best way I can determine your alignment is having you die for town this night. am i missing something here? Cause unless you've claimed then i dont think u have any right to tell me how to use my ability We can potentially have a night without any deaths. Protect us for the sins of mankind. This optimal strategy is brought to you by DenjaX Inc. Slogan jingle: I respect that~~ |
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DenjaX said: Shinichi-Kun said: Use your ability and have the doc protect anyone. Doesnt matter because as lightning rod, even protect goes to you.am i missing something here? Cause unless you've claimed then i dont think u have any right to tell me how to use my ability We can potentially have a night without any deaths. Protect us for the sins of mankind. This optimal strategy is brought to you by DenjaX Inc. Slogan jingle: I respect that~~ This is a fair point actually as long as the doctor protects someone they is no drawback forgot about that part. |
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Jackrito said: DenjaX said: Use your ability and have the doc protect anyone. Doesnt matter because as lightning rod, even protect goes to you. We can potentially have a night without any deaths. Protect us for the sins of mankind. This optimal strategy is brought to you by DenjaX Inc. Slogan jingle: I respect that~~ This is a fair point actually as long as the doctor protects someone they is no drawback forgot about that part. Of course you "forgot" it because scum cant disclose this very strategy or else itll kneecap them. I am watching you Same goes to @PentaFlare why havent you thought of this? |
Shinichi-Kun said: logic340 said: There is no winning for me is there? I want to go Rinto mode you guys wont let me (but Karote can and gets town read for it). I come out of Rinto mode give you what you want (Townie lyncher logic) and I'm capitalizing on people's mistakes? Karote is changing his playstyle hes just playing the same ole way as every game lets not forget he was also town lol, u dont get to be town read for trying to match the town style of another player if anything that should be considered scummy. Just wondering how do you change playstyle and play same way, I do agree on playstyle change of logic though |
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DenjaX said: Jackrito said: This is a fair point actually as long as the doctor protects someone they is no drawback forgot about that part. Of course you "forgot" it because scum cant disclose this very strategy or else itll kneecap them. I am watching you Same goes to @PentaFlare why havent you thought of this? If I was scum that tactic would of failed because of doc anyway so why bring it up, it would be better off to wait for doc dead before bringing it up. |
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DenjaX said: Shinichi-Kun said: Use your ability and have the doc protect anyone. Doesnt matter because as lightning rod, even protect goes to you.am i missing something here? Cause unless you've claimed then i dont think u have any right to tell me how to use my ability We can potentially have a night without any deaths. Protect us for the sins of mankind. This optimal strategy is brought to you by DenjaX Inc. Slogan jingle: I respect that~~ ^ Thinking the same here, hence the question to Shinichi as to whether his Lightnig Rod is literally suicidal or of it's just the name that makes one think that it's suicidal. Since we know that the doc exists and is active because of grrr's claim, there shouldn't be anything that could stop Shin's ability from stopping the night kill. |
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Jackrito said: Coelestin said: ... Is it wrong to start believing in a Jack/Penta/Grape/Logic power wolf scum team? :| @Shinichi-kun Let me confirm again. You are a Lightning Rod? Your role says you're "self-sacrificing" but there's no guarantee that you'll die, right? I doubt it is a 4 man team based off size of game and 3RD party also suppose tge 3rd would swing it a bit though since anti scum. I could see logic and Grape been scum less sp Penta Well, I'm just guessing that it's 4 peeps because formula says that around 1/4 of the players should be mafia, that's what you and Soren said in Game Manager training. I'm less familiar how that works out though when there's a third party. |
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Coelestin said: Jackrito said: I doubt it is a 4 man team based off size of game and 3RD party also suppose tge 3rd would swing it a bit though since anti scum. I could see logic and Grape been scum less sp Penta Well, I'm just guessing that it's 4 peeps because formula says that around 1/4 of the players should be mafia, that's what you and Soren said in Game Manager training. I'm less familiar how that works out though when there's a third party. Depends on 3rd with it been town sided it would mean a stronger scum a lot of it depends on the power role though as well so hard to judge. I would do 3 in a setup of this size but never would use a anti mafia 3rd party though. I still think 3 though |
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Coelestin said: I corrected your potential team for you. There are likely only 3 scum in this set up otherwise they are a very weak team imo. Most suspicious of Grape but I will be taking time to look over the other two this morning. ... Is it wrong to start believing in a Jack/Penta/Grape/Logic power wolf scum team? :| @Shinichi-kun Let me confirm again. You are a Lightning Rod? Your role says you're "self-sacrificing" but there's no guarantee that you'll die, right? |
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Jackrito said: DenjaX also suggested the idea of a second 3rd party. If their were two anti-mafia tpr factions then I would expect mafia to be pretty OP? But maybe not so much knowing we have a Deputy, Lightning Rod, and Driver and the possibility of Nurse, Commuter?Shinichi-Kun said: They can do them if u claim anwywhere outside of the first day phae ur are 99% scum end of story, only reason i havent pursued you is cause i think u might be tpr. I doubt they is another 3rd based off wincon having 2 anti scum 3rd is unbalanced if they were what are they |
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logic340 said: Jackrito said: DenjaX also suggested the idea of a second 3rd party. If their were two anti-mafia tpr factions then I would expect mafia to be pretty OP? But maybe not so much knowing we have a Deputy, Lightning Rod, and Driver and the possibility of Nurse, Commuter?I doubt they is another 3rd based off wincon having 2 anti scum 3rd is unbalanced if they were what are they Also add doc and cop in there as well and that is a really OP town. |
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Jackrito said: What if their are no full doc and full cop and what I have been doing was part of the conditions for "promotion"?logic340 said: DenjaX also suggested the idea of a second 3rd party. If their were two anti-mafia tpr factions then I would expect mafia to be pretty OP? But maybe not so much knowing we have a Deputy, Lightning Rod, and Driver and the possibility of Nurse, Commuter? Also add doc and cop in there as well and that is a really OP town. |
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logic340 said: What if their are no full doc and full cop and what I have been doing was part of the conditions for "promotion"? Then this would be a weird setup and you had amazing luck to pick right people |
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Jackrito said: I don't think it has to do with who I picked so much as what I chose to do?logic340 said: What if their are no full doc and full cop and what I have been doing was part of the conditions for "promotion"? Then this would be a weird setup and you had amazing luck to pick right people |
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Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: Okay, but if you aren't willing to prove yourself as town, I hope you start appearing like one next phase. You aren't immune to a rope. I shouldnt have too prove it, my role is proof enough, it wouldnt make sense for my new ability to be anything but town aligned. So unless you can provide examples of that and also explain why the real inheritor hasnt shown up then ur just as much talk as logic or qc is. Also why do i need to die to prove my innocence that seems counter intuitive That role isn't a free pass. Back-ups can be mafia. We've both played set-up where that has been the case. If you want me to highlight every scummy thing you did last phase I can. The post will be longer than what I wrote about grape though. |
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logic340 said: I don't think it has to do with who I picked so much as what I chose to do? I see that sounds intresting if true only time i saw a upgrade role it was used on a person each night and 3rd party. Why say all this in the night though |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Kit said: that doesn't make any sense, instinctively people would rather hide anti town roles. It's counter intuitive to claim Miller even if it is optimal. I can't criticize ruu cause I might have done the same, and two others (Penta and Jack,) said they would not claim either They can do them if u claim anwywhere outside of the first day phae ur are 99% scum end of story, only reason i havent pursued you is cause i think u might be tpr. Not true. Kit is right here. If multiple people wouldn't have claimed day 1 as town, that is well past 1% of all cases. |
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PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: I shouldnt have too prove it, my role is proof enough, it wouldnt make sense for my new ability to be anything but town aligned. So unless you can provide examples of that and also explain why the real inheritor hasnt shown up then ur just as much talk as logic or qc is. Also why do i need to die to prove my innocence that seems counter intuitive That role isn't a free pass. Back-ups can be mafia. We've both played set-up where that has been the case. If you want me to highlight every scummy thing you did last phase I can. The post will be longer than what I wrote about grape though. I could agree with this my main issue is the phase change story that mentions inheritor makes it sound like a town role, would not be the first time a host misled in one though. |
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Coelestin said: Ok, I need to confirm something. @PentaFlare ONLY reply to the questions with yes or no. You know something about someone since the start of D3, right? And so do I. Do you have a strong read (doesn't matter if scum or town read) based on what you know about them or what they've said in the thread? Yes to both. |
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DenjaX said: Jackrito said: This is a fair point actually as long as the doctor protects someone they is no drawback forgot about that part. Of course you "forgot" it because scum cant disclose this very strategy or else itll kneecap them. I am watching you Same goes to @PentaFlare why havent you thought of this? Because I assumed it wouldn't work. It wouldn't be much if a sacrifice if he lived. Worth a shot though. No night kill would be swell. |
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Jackrito said: I said it during the day in the post where I said take this as my soft claim. I didn't specify why I felt the way that I did but that I had possibly had a hand in it. logic340 said: I don't think it has to do with who I picked so much as what I chose to do? I see that sounds intresting if true only time i saw a upgrade role it was used on a person each night and 3rd party. Why say all this in the night though |
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Jackrito said: PentaFlare said: That role isn't a free pass. Back-ups can be mafia. We've both played set-up where that has been the case. If you want me to highlight every scummy thing you did last phase I can. The post will be longer than what I wrote about grape though. I could agree with this my main issue is the phase change story that mentions inheritor makes it sound like a town role, would not be the first time a host misled in one though. I didn't get the strong feeling it was town. It seemed like it could be an evil with a cruel sense of humour. I am not willing to right off the role as town. |
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logic340 said: Jackrito said: I said it during the day in the post where I said take this as my soft claim. I didn't specify why I felt the way that I did but that I had possibly had a hand in it. I see that sounds intresting if true only time i saw a upgrade role it was used on a person each night and 3rd party. Why say all this in the night though Yeah I know you did, not sure why you bring it up again at night though scum may not of noticed it at the time. I get what you are saying it is clear dont worry |
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PentaFlare said: Jackrito said: I could agree with this my main issue is the phase change story that mentions inheritor makes it sound like a town role, would not be the first time a host misled in one though. I didn't get the strong feeling it was town. It seemed like it could be an evil with a cruel sense of humour. I am not willing to right off the role as town. I suppose you have a point there |
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Jackrito said: I mean I only brought it back up again because you said this "Also add doc and cop in there as well and that is a really OP town."logic340 said: I said it during the day in the post where I said take this as my soft claim. I didn't specify why I felt the way that I did but that I had possibly had a hand in it. Yeah I know you did, not sure why you bring it up again at night though scum may not of noticed it at the time. I get what you are saying it is clear dont worry But I'll let it be. |
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PentaFlare said: Why should it be this phase instead of at his discretion? Wouldn't this ability be better served when the mafia don't know it's coming (if town). If he really is mafia then he gets protected anyway right? What do we learn from this?@Shinichi-kun If you can be doctor saved then you should 100% use your ability this phase. |
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logic340 said: Jackrito said: I mean I only brought it back up again because you said this "Also add doc and cop in there as well and that is a really OP town."Yeah I know you did, not sure why you bring it up again at night though scum may not of noticed it at the time. I get what you are saying it is clear dont worry But I'll let it be. Yeah i forgot that at the time lol, sorry to make you reveal yourself again, I also cant be sure you are truthful either. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Why should it be this phase instead of at his discretion? Wouldn't this ability be better served when the mafia don't know it's coming (if town). If he really is mafia then he gets protected anyway right? What do we learn from this?@Shinichi-kun If you can be doctor saved then you should 100% use your ability this phase. I think it is to test him since actions are not matching role, I agree though forcing them to do it is bad since scum may have a way around it. Which could lead to another mislynch |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Why should it be this phase instead of at his discretion? Wouldn't this ability be better served when the mafia don't know it's coming (if town). If he really is mafia then he gets protected anyway right? What do we learn from this?@Shinichi-kun If you can be doctor saved then you should 100% use your ability this phase. Because we haven't caught any scum yet. We are in a bad spot and really need to use every advantage we have. Once we catch one, everything else will fall into place easier. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Why should it be this phase instead of at his discretion? Wouldn't this ability be better served when the mafia don't know it's coming (if town). If he really is mafia then he gets protected anyway right? What do we learn from this?@Shinichi-kun If you can be doctor saved then you should 100% use your ability this phase. We wouldn't learn from it, but there would be no night kill. That's a big advantage. |
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PentaFlare said: So when you weren't thinking of him being protected and though he would eat the NK what advantage was that supposed to give town?logic340 said: Why should it be this phase instead of at his discretion? Wouldn't this ability be better served when the mafia don't know it's coming (if town). If he really is mafia then he gets protected anyway right? What do we learn from this? We wouldn't learn from it, but there would be no night kill. That's a big advantage. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: So when you weren't thinking of him being protected and though he would eat the NK what advantage was that supposed to give town?We wouldn't learn from it, but there would be no night kill. That's a big advantage. That was less general town help and more that there are certain people/roles I really don't want to die right now and was hoping he could keep them alive with the sacrifice. It was self-motivated for trying to push me closer to gamesolving. |
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PentaFlare said: Coelestin said: Ok, I need to confirm something. @PentaFlare ONLY reply to the questions with yes or no. You know something about someone since the start of D3, right? And so do I. Do you have a strong read (doesn't matter if scum or town read) based on what you know about them or what they've said in the thread? Yes to both. Great. logic340 said: Coelestin said: I corrected your potential team for you. There are likely only 3 scum in this set up otherwise they are a very weak team imo. Most suspicious of Grape but I will be taking time to look over the other two this morning. ... Is it wrong to start believing in a Jack/Penta/Grape/Logic power wolf scum team? :| @Shinichi-kun Let me confirm again. You are a Lightning Rod? Your role says you're "self-sacrificing" but there's no guarantee that you'll die, right? I agree with you and Jack on Grape. Really need to take a closer look again though. He's been let off since the train on himself dissolved and since then he hasn't posted much... If he's got time a poke or two might be good. @DenjaX Do you have any read on Grape? @Kit At which page are you currently? |
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Kit said: Shinichi-Kun said: the percent does matter because by making the likelihood of me being town appear so low you are influencing town opinion and encouraging scum to agree with you /say I'm scumSame implies to tpr i hate the role and distrust all tpr roles, miller claim literally could be a traitor role with some kind of activation like the judas role for all we know smh >3>. Also the exact percents dont matter because im saying ur not getting my vote yet anyways. Im not influencing anyone my charisma sucks lol |
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logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I wouldn't call it trying to take another players style. I have already explained that it's me trying to take a more passive approach instead of living at the top of the thread but it's not working out well for me. Karote is changing his playstyle hes just playing the same ole way as every game lets not forget he was also town lol, u dont get to be town read for trying to match the town style of another player if anything that should be considered scummy. Shinichi-Kun said: Do you feel that we should just be claiming roles at any ole time? Jack didn't really have time to claim and have it mean anything with like 3 minutes before phase change? Why should Penta claim? I guess you could lump me into the same pile as them since I haven't claimed either. U 2 can throw salt all over me it wont change much @logic340 what are your throughs on the fact that jack and penta are both ok throwing away another town role without claiming their own role. I find that super odd @denjax @kit same question for you 2 Of course not but its almost day 4 and soon we will be in mylo if we arent already so i dont see the need to be hiding roles at this point. Cause its not easy i try that all the timem but as soon as i see a post i feel a need to reply to i jump right in. |
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Coelestin said: ... Is it wrong to start believing in a Jack/Penta/Grape/Logic power wolf scum team? :| @Shinichi-kun Let me confirm again. You are a Lightning Rod? Your role says you're "self-sacrificing" but there's no guarantee that you'll die, right? no gunrantee if their is a protection role in place, that uses their ability on the sasme night i use mine then im pretty sure i can live. |
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Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: What makes it an omgus? Because u suspect him? I might be biased here cause i also suspect you alot more recently. I feel like people mistake scum hunting for being town aligned, cause when i read people i consider their opinions and almost everything they say as a defining factor for their alignment. Sure their actions say otherwise but i feel like nothing QC has said has been that scummy, not for you as an example i can go pull out a bunch of lines that makes u scummy. Only problem is ur all action while he is all words who is more scummy? You do realise the first part is the def of the term right. Ok I'm getting sick of this Quco has not done much scummy maybe but not done much town here. Stop defending other people for not doing things poperly I can't deal with another loss because of bad town play. People need to step up at some level we are suppose to be a team so we can't carry people to end game who will ruin us. So we are suppose to lynch them instead? Not everyone plays with a town mindset i know i sometimes dont, but sometimes we have to work with or around that jack. Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: Claim then talk :D, not gonna be told how to play my town game by people hiding behind their roles. Not sure how how I'm hiding behind my role to hide behide it would mean I'm using it as the sole reason to not be lynched. I don't see why me claiming should improve my standing it just gives scum more info.You were forced to claim by own bad play no i was forced to claim because i was told my lack of scum hunting made me scum which in reality it didnt, also i hinted at my role meany times. |
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Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: They can do them if u claim anwywhere outside of the first day phae ur are 99% scum end of story, only reason i havent pursued you is cause i think u might be tpr. I doubt they is another 3rd based off wincon having 2 anti scum 3rd is unbalanced if they were what are they EVen so they should still be scum or a traitor role for all we knw |
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Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: So people like jack and logic? Blame me if you want I don't care tbh if he makes up a role and them refused to give me info when I ask or even vote for that matter. I can't save them I need people to work with me he messed up and could of fixed it but gave up. I get you but i honestly dont feel like he was lacking in asmuch info as your getting at. |
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DenjaX said: Jackrito said: This is a fair point actually as long as the doctor protects someone they is no drawback forgot about that part. Of course you "forgot" it because scum cant disclose this very strategy or else itll kneecap them. I am watching you Same goes to @PentaFlare why havent you thought of this? I didnt forget this but if grrr is the doctor of course im worried lmfao Im watching both penta and jack tbh right now |
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Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: Karote is changing his playstyle hes just playing the same ole way as every game lets not forget he was also town lol, u dont get to be town read for trying to match the town style of another player if anything that should be considered scummy. Just wondering how do you change playstyle and play same way, I do agree on playstyle change of logic though *isnt lol i miss typed is. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Jackrito said: You do realise the first part is the def of the term right. Ok I'm getting sick of this Quco has not done much scummy maybe but not done much town here. Stop defending other people for not doing things poperly I can't deal with another loss because of bad town play. People need to step up at some level we are suppose to be a team so we can't carry people to end game who will ruin us. So we are suppose to lynch them instead? Not everyone plays with a town mindset i know i sometimes dont, but sometimes we have to work with or around that jack. Jackrito said: Not sure how how I'm hiding behind my role to hide behide it would mean I'm using it as the sole reason to not be lynched. I don't see why me claiming should improve my standing it just gives scum more info.You were forced to claim by own bad play no i was forced to claim because i was told my lack of scum hunting made me scum which in reality it didnt, also i hinted at my role meany times. Of course I know that I tried to work with Karote, but they just gave up it , we can't work around them forever or they will win if scum Grr showed that in a recent game. i need at least some give and take with people. On the bottom bit I would not say you hinted many times at it, but I'm not the best with hints so maybe you did. The fact of the matter is if no one scum hunts town will never win, it does not make people scum for not doing so but means they are not helping the rest of us either. |
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